Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 Hello All, Is it not true that 'Rasi' is also a divisional chart (D-1)? Vishy --- Visti Larsen <vlarsen wrote: > Namaste All. > > I'm sure this discussion stems from my answer to > Manojs post. > > Heres my unwavoring oppinion; > Lets say someone is learning something. Then their > activities are activated in D-24. But when is the > person not learning something? Actually the mind is > learning all the time, and gaining knowledge! So > when will this Rasi chart override this higher > division? > > Actually the Rasi chart is very basic. I use the > Rasi to get a general notion of what activities the > person is participating in, then look into the > appropriate divisional chart to get the exact > picture. Not because the Rasi overrides it, but > rather that it is very general! Keep in mind that > i'm not discussing Nakshatras in this regard.. this > becomes a seperate issue. > > So instead of stating that one division overrides > the other!! Why not state that they all work > simeultaneously?! > > The Vargas aren't based on if & else commands like a > computer-software is, but all compliment each other. > > The only reason I could think of, to state that the > rasi overrides any other divisions is for the > predictive ease of astrologers. > > > As for the Trimsamsa, its (12*2+6) used to time > subconsious ailments.. Astrologers that use it alot, > recommend that its used to time all evils, i'll > support this. > I've never heard that it showed cherished desires, > but i'd look to Navamsa for this myself. > > As for Navamsa vs Rasi, Navamsa shows the dharma we > inherited from past lives, which may or may not > manifest in this life, and is hence much more > important in timing these dharmic activities. If i > had to give prominence to any Vargas over Rasi it > would be; Navamsa(Dharma) and Shastyamsa(Inherited > karma). But they are all equally important as they > all work simeultaneously. > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2001 Report Share Posted April 29, 2001 Hello Vishy, Rashi is not a divisional chart. In any case division of any number by 1 leaves it unchanged or as it is. Anshu - "hs vishwanatham" <vishwanatham <gjlist> Saturday, 28 April, 2001 10:04 AM Re: Sv: [gjlist] Re: Divisional Charts > Hello All, > > Is it not true that 'Rasi' is also a divisional chart > (D-1)? > > Vishy > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <vlarsen wrote: > > Namaste All. > > > > I'm sure this discussion stems from my answer to > > Manojs post. > > > > Heres my unwavoring oppinion; > > Lets say someone is learning something. Then their > > activities are activated in D-24. But when is the > > person not learning something? Actually the mind is > > learning all the time, and gaining knowledge! So > > when will this Rasi chart override this higher > > division? > > > > Actually the Rasi chart is very basic. I use the > > Rasi to get a general notion of what activities the > > person is participating in, then look into the > > appropriate divisional chart to get the exact > > picture. Not because the Rasi overrides it, but > > rather that it is very general! Keep in mind that > > i'm not discussing Nakshatras in this regard.. this > > becomes a seperate issue. > > > > So instead of stating that one division overrides > > the other!! Why not state that they all work > > simeultaneously?! > > > > The Vargas aren't based on if & else commands like a > > computer-software is, but all compliment each other. > > > > The only reason I could think of, to state that the > > rasi overrides any other divisions is for the > > predictive ease of astrologers. > > > > > > As for the Trimsamsa, its (12*2+6) used to time > > subconsious ailments.. Astrologers that use it alot, > > recommend that its used to time all evils, i'll > > support this. > > I've never heard that it showed cherished desires, > > but i'd look to Navamsa for this myself. > > > > As for Navamsa vs Rasi, Navamsa shows the dharma we > > inherited from past lives, which may or may not > > manifest in this life, and is hence much more > > important in timing these dharmic activities. If i > > had to give prominence to any Vargas over Rasi it > > would be; Navamsa(Dharma) and Shastyamsa(Inherited > > karma). But they are all equally important as they > > all work simeultaneously. > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions./ > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2001 Report Share Posted April 29, 2001 Hello Visti, >Heres my unwavoring oppinion; >Lets say someone is learning something. Then their activities are activated >in D-24. But when is the person not learning something? Actually the mind >is learning all the time, and gaining knowledge! So when will this Rasi >chart override this higher division? > What happens Visti, when the 5th house of the person does not even sponsor education of any sort for the person. Even then, do you mean to say that D/24 would get him education. Fifth house, apart from education has many other aspects of life contained therein. It is for confirmation of these events in life, that the relevant divisional charts are used. Education, D/24, Child (D/7), Gyan (Knowledge) D/20 and so on and on. But if a person's fifth house has no promise for education the same would only get reflected in D/24. Thats my view. Manoj _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2001 Report Share Posted April 30, 2001 Namaste Visti I hope you don't mind my comments below ....... since the Varga's are derived directly from the Rasi chart HOW can they (varga charts) take precedence over the Original Rasi chart? Please reflect on this and I am sure you can see from this as to "who has the overriding factor". In agreement with you that varga's can only support what is noted in the 'original' Rasi chart though they (varga's) can have 'mitigating' effects if Varga chart is well formed - obviously Not completely. I guess it is similar to interpreting a 'weak' Rasi chart and a 'strong' Navamsha chart - which conflict with one another - where Rasi effects still pre-dominate. Trusting you are not offended by my above comments (?) ...... Jai Sita Ram Ram > > Visti Larsen [sMTP:vlarsen] > Monday, April 30, 2001 9:47 AM > gjlist > Sv: Sv: [gjlist] Re: Divisional Charts > > Namaste. > Like you said yourself, the Vargas should confirm this. They all support > the same thing, i've never said otherwise. But taking Rasi as an > overriding factor, is a wrong statement. > Best wishes, Visti. > > - > Manoj Pathak <manojpathak > <gjlist> > Monday, April 30, 2001 7:32 AM > Re: Sv: [gjlist] Re: Divisional Charts > > > > Hello Visti, > > > > >Heres my unwavoring oppinion; > > >Lets say someone is learning something. Then their activities are > activated > > >in D-24. But when is the person not learning something? Actually the > mind > > >is learning all the time, and gaining knowledge! So when will this Rasi > > >chart override this higher division? > > > > > > > What happens Visti, when the 5th house of the person does not even > sponsor > > education of any sort for the person. Even then, do you mean to say that > > D/24 would get him education. Fifth house, apart from education has many > > other aspects of life contained therein. It is for confirmation of these > > events in life, that the relevant divisional charts are used. Education, > > D/24, Child (D/7), Gyan (Knowledge) D/20 and so on and on. But if a > person's > > fifth house has no promise for education the same would only get > reflected > > in D/24. Thats my view. > > > > Manoj > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2001 Report Share Posted April 30, 2001 Namaste Anshu, At 06:12 AM 5/1/01 -0700, you wrote: >Namaste > >To my understanding, please correct me where I am wrong, the basic promise >of any event/state must originate from the rasi chart. Anything that is not >promised in the base chart is unlikely to come about. > >Best wishes > >Anshu Summarizing what Visti and Pursottam said about this, is as follows, and I agree with them: * General observations can be gleaned from the rasi chart, as after all, many persons born on the same date, are going to have the same lagna. * Varga charts give specific directives regarding what is casually, or generally hinted at in the rasi chart. If, for example, some moderate or mild afflictions exist to Venus or the 7th house in the rasi chart, then you would have to see specifically from the Navamsa whether or not marriage would be a success, and if so, when, and when the positive and negative experiences thereof would occur. The Rasi chart alone is insufficient to determine these things with certainty. * The final conclusion on a fact or event in the native's life should be seen in the related varga chart, while a judgement on such matters in the rasi chart alone can be misleading. For example, a native with a weak or afflicted Jupiter in the rasi, might have an exalted or well-placed Jupiter in the Chaturvimsamsa chart, or 24th division varga, thus indicating that after initial confusion or difficulty through education, he would in the end prevail and gain success in his education. Specific judgments like this on natal indications, can be found in the varga charts, which therefore have the final say in the outcome of all matters. Best wishes, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2001 Report Share Posted April 30, 2001 Dear Robert ,Manoj , Visty , It seems there is lot of discussion going on vise Divisional charts, In a way it seems to me that all are correct, Visty is using Divisional charts with Jamini system, which prefer rasi drishti, To a person more concise with Mathematics , will be difficult to absorb aspects in Divisional charts as it is with Manoj and my ownself. But the field is open to research , after reading many posts of visty i started looking seriously at Jamini , to which I considered only as Old Red Book . Another person who has applied Vargas was the writer of Books Modern Techniques Of Predictions , who has given Yogi and Avyogi Theory. Robert elaboration is good , to which I add my own, read some where, that if Natal chart can be compared with the Flower then Navmasha is smell of that flower, If Natal chart is Fruit then Navmasha is taste of that fruit. If a person has denial of marriage combination in Natal then it will be foolishness to search that in Namasha. Same is true for other Vargas. here take Navmasha in broad sense for all Vargas. With regards, Inder Jit Sahni - Robert A. Koch <rkoch <gjlist> Tuesday, May 01, 2001 6:26 AM Re: Sv: [gjlist] Re: Divisional Charts > Namaste Anshu, > > At 06:12 AM 5/1/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Namaste > > > >To my understanding, please correct me where I am wrong, the basic promise > >of any event/state must originate from the rasi chart. Anything that is not > >promised in the base chart is unlikely to come about. > > > >Best wishes > > > >Anshu > > Summarizing what Visti and Pursottam said about this, is as follows, and I > agree with them: > > * General observations can be gleaned from the rasi chart, as after all, > many persons born on the same date, are going to have the same lagna. > > * Varga charts give specific directives regarding what is casually, or > generally hinted at in the rasi chart. If, for example, some moderate or > mild afflictions exist to Venus or the 7th house in the rasi chart, then > you would have to see specifically from the Navamsa whether or not marriage > would be a success, and if so, when, and when the positive and negative > experiences thereof would occur. The Rasi chart alone is insufficient to > determine these things with certainty. > > * The final conclusion on a fact or event in the native's life should be > seen in the related varga chart, while a judgement on such matters in the > rasi chart alone can be misleading. For example, a native with a weak or > afflicted Jupiter in the rasi, might have an exalted or well-placed Jupiter > in the Chaturvimsamsa chart, or 24th division varga, thus indicating that > after initial confusion or difficulty through education, he would in the > end prevail and gain success in his education. Specific judgments like > this on natal indications, can be found in the varga charts, which > therefore have the final say in the outcome of all matters. > > Best wishes, > Robert > > ===================================== > Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. > Bend, OR. 97701-9037 > Phone: 541-318-0248 > visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail > rk. rk > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2001 Report Share Posted May 1, 2001 Namaste To my understanding, please correct me where I am wrong, the basic promise of any event/state must originate from the rasi chart. Anything that is not promised in the base chart is unlikely to come about. Best wishes Anshu - "Visti Larsen" <vlarsen <gjlist> Monday, 30 April, 2001 01:46 AM Sv: Sv: [gjlist] Re: Divisional Charts > Namaste. > Like you said yourself, the Vargas should confirm this. They all support the same thing, i've never said otherwise. But taking Rasi as an overriding factor, is a wrong statement. > Best wishes, Visti. > > - > Manoj Pathak <manojpathak > <gjlist> > Monday, April 30, 2001 7:32 AM > Re: Sv: [gjlist] Re: Divisional Charts > > > > Hello Visti, > > > > >Heres my unwavoring oppinion; > > >Lets say someone is learning something. Then their activities are activated > > >in D-24. But when is the person not learning something? Actually the mind > > >is learning all the time, and gaining knowledge! So when will this Rasi > > >chart override this higher division? > > > > > > > What happens Visti, when the 5th house of the person does not even sponsor > > education of any sort for the person. Even then, do you mean to say that > > D/24 would get him education. Fifth house, apart from education has many > > other aspects of life contained therein. It is for confirmation of these > > events in life, that the relevant divisional charts are used. Education, > > D/24, Child (D/7), Gyan (Knowledge) D/20 and so on and on. But if a person's > > fifth house has no promise for education the same would only get reflected > > in D/24. Thats my view. > > > > Manoj > > _______________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2001 Report Share Posted May 1, 2001 Namaste Robert, I am in agreement with you. Regards Anshu - "Robert A. Koch" <rkoch <gjlist> Monday, 30 April, 2001 05:56 PM Re: Sv: [gjlist] Re: Divisional Charts > Namaste Anshu, > > At 06:12 AM 5/1/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Namaste > > > >To my understanding, please correct me where I am wrong, the basic promise > >of any event/state must originate from the rasi chart. Anything that is not > >promised in the base chart is unlikely to come about. > > > >Best wishes > > > >Anshu > > Summarizing what Visti and Pursottam said about this, is as follows, and I > agree with them: > > * General observations can be gleaned from the rasi chart, as after all, > many persons born on the same date, are going to have the same lagna. > > * Varga charts give specific directives regarding what is casually, or > generally hinted at in the rasi chart. If, for example, some moderate or > mild afflictions exist to Venus or the 7th house in the rasi chart, then > you would have to see specifically from the Navamsa whether or not marriage > would be a success, and if so, when, and when the positive and negative > experiences thereof would occur. The Rasi chart alone is insufficient to > determine these things with certainty. > > * The final conclusion on a fact or event in the native's life should be > seen in the related varga chart, while a judgement on such matters in the > rasi chart alone can be misleading. For example, a native with a weak or > afflicted Jupiter in the rasi, might have an exalted or well-placed Jupiter > in the Chaturvimsamsa chart, or 24th division varga, thus indicating that > after initial confusion or difficulty through education, he would in the > end prevail and gain success in his education. Specific judgments like > this on natal indications, can be found in the varga charts, which > therefore have the final say in the outcome of all matters. > > Best wishes, > Robert > > ===================================== > Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. > Bend, OR. 97701-9037 > Phone: 541-318-0248 > visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail > rk. rk > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2001 Report Share Posted May 1, 2001 Dear Inder jit, You wrote: > Another person who has applied Vargas >was the writer of Books Modern Techniques Of Predictions , who has given >Yogi and Avyogi Theory. Robert elaboration is good , to which I add my own, >read some where, that if Natal chart can be compared with the Flower then >Navmasha is smell of that flower, If Natal chart is Fruit then Navmasha is >taste of that fruit. If a person has denial of marriage combination in Natal >then it will be foolishness to search that in Namasha. Same is true for >other Vargas. here take Navmasha in broad sense for all Vargas. >With regards, >Inder Jit Sahni I again beg to differ here. By experience, it is found that very often marriage factors such as Venus, 7th house, Upapada, etc., are weak and/or afflicted in the natal chart. Yet, the Navamsa chart shows strength in these areas. The person thus, in spite of early difficulties, emerges successfully with marriage in the end. My feeling is that it is the other way around from what your approach is: Varga charts show the end result, of that which is broadly indicated in the natal chart. I have just seen too many charts having natal afflictions, which were stronger in varga sthanas, wherein the expected or desired result of the related grahas was achieved finally. One concluding point: A very important part of graha balas is Vimsopak. Why would so much emphasis be placed on varga balas, had the varga charts themselves only been "the fragrance of the flower"? Best wishes, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2001 Report Share Posted May 5, 2001 Dear Robert, The discussions are endless, let us do it practically, Wendy posted her chart , please try explain her married life and education prospectus independently from her Division chart's. Also I request Wendy to post my observations on her chart , editing my comments on her personality to the list. The conclusion are based on her natal , stellar and Navmasha reading. Another birth chart I want to discuss, I received , when I was reading your this post, I feel it is the desire of the God that it should be discussed, as both your post and the visit of the consultant was delivered simultaneous to me. The date of birth is 22.1.1974 Time 9.20 PM IST (+5.30 GMT) Place 31n37 , 74e55. This person completed his education in June 1999. Entered in higher education during March 1994. Please relate his higher education and profession , difficult period of education with Division charts. With Regards, Inder Jit Sahni - Robert A. Koch <rkoch <gjlist> Wednesday, May 02, 2001 12:20 AM Re: Sv: [gjlist] Re: Divisional Charts > Dear Inder jit, > > You wrote: > > > Another person who has applied Vargas > >was the writer of Books Modern Techniques Of Predictions , who has given > >Yogi and Avyogi Theory. Robert elaboration is good , to which I add my own, > >read some where, that if Natal chart can be compared with the Flower then > >Navmasha is smell of that flower, If Natal chart is Fruit then Navmasha is > >taste of that fruit. If a person has denial of marriage combination in Natal > >then it will be foolishness to search that in Namasha. Same is true for > >other Vargas. here take Navmasha in broad sense for all Vargas. > >With regards, > >Inder Jit Sahni > > I again beg to differ here. By experience, it is found that very often > marriage factors such as Venus, 7th house, Upapada, etc., are weak and/or > afflicted in the natal chart. Yet, the Navamsa chart shows strength in > these areas. The person thus, in spite of early difficulties, emerges > successfully with marriage in the end. My feeling is that it is the other > way around from what your approach is: Varga charts show the end result, of > that which is broadly indicated in the natal chart. I have just seen too > many charts having natal afflictions, which were stronger in varga sthanas, > wherein the expected or desired result of the related grahas was achieved > finally. > > One concluding point: A very important part of graha balas is > Vimsopak. Why would so much emphasis be placed on varga balas, had the > varga charts themselves only been "the fragrance of the flower"? > > Best wishes, > Robert > > ===================================== > Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. > Bend, OR. 97701-9037 > Phone: 541-318-0248 > visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail > rk. rk > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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