Guest guest Posted May 8, 2001 Report Share Posted May 8, 2001 Dear Members, It seems that those belonging to SJVC with it's system of Gurus and it's system of elevating divisional charts and obscure methods beyond Rashi delineation, are intent on crucifying anyone who's in disagreement with them. There is harmony (and acceptance) as long as YOU ACCEPT the teachings of these Gurus. This can bring nothing but discredit to jyotish in the long run. Never in my entire life have I been subjected to such personal and vicious attacks...simply for holding different views! The way I see it, this is no longer a public forum, it's a SJVC forum...and as I'm not one of their disciples, I'm obviously in the wrong place. I've lost my taste for jyotish completely and would much rather be a gardener. At the end of the day it's the quality of heart that counts, not the amount of knowledge you've managed to cram into your brain, and my heart is sorely bruised. I've got to know some genuine people here who will never be forgotten, but this is not only the end of the list for me but the end of jyotish. There's much, much more to life than this. I don't want to ever look at another book or another horoscope again as long as I live. Wendy PHURRBALL3 [PHURRBALL3] Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:38 AM gjlist Re: [gjlist] Happy trails to you I think that anyone who would intimate that Robert is a "self-styled guru" has no idea where he is coming from and no idea what they are talking about as far as he is concerned. Having had a reading with Robert, I have to say I'm glad the reading was taped because I was overcome with what I was "reading" back (involuntarily) about the energy and essence of this good, gentle compassionate man. I don't know how to express this very well, but I felt that his energy is so pure and sincere, his essence is that of a holy man. The last, because of his genuine humility, he probably doesn't know, but I felt like crying when I realized and recognized what was true. Only his compassion and understanding gave me the courage to push through and carry on with the reading, but I was kind of gulping and having trouble focusing on the little messes of my chart in the presence of that kind of spiritual infusion. I felt so happy, too, because I was once before briefly in the presence of a holy man and it was over so fast and you miss it forever after, and here was a surprise gift of that nature. This isn't anything anyone told me, it's just what I know, OK? Firsthand experience. Robert's intentions were to give an astrology reading (I asked for a reading in lesson form), so when I speak of spiritual infusion, this is what happened to me because of this involuntary reading thing on my part--nobody can help what energy they project. It made me feel so sad about what has happened on the list, because maybe some of you don't know what you're missing, but some of us sure do know. As I perceive it, Robert is about giving and I wish somehow I could protect that in this world. I often startle people outside of the "cyber world" by focusing very intently on them when they say something because of trying to discern their intent. And sometimes you have to decide well, I don't relate well to that type of person, I'm walking away. Might be interested in what I read about someone who tries to engage you in a power struggle--you can have the drive for power over others in your heart, or you can have love in your heart, but not both. Jealousy makes it pretty crowded and uncomfortable in there too, and is no fun to boot. I will try to make certain of my own intent before saying things, and it's the human condition to have problems caused by our egos in various ways, Vanity being de debbil's favorite sin and all. Also, I like to remember: "A merry heart doeth good like a medicine, while a sour spirit drieth the bones." Namaste, y'all Robin gjlist- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 dear wendy~ namaste. may peace rule. "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas gjlist <gjlist> RE: [gjlist] Happy trails to you Wed, 9 May 2001 11:46:14 +0800 Dear Members, It seems that those belonging to SJVC with it's system of Gurus and it's system of elevating divisional charts and obscure methods beyond Rashi delineation, are intent on crucifying anyone who's in disagreement with them. There is harmony (and acceptance) as long as YOU ACCEPT the teachings of these Gurus. This can bring nothing but discredit to jyotish in the long run. Never in my entire life have I been subjected to such personal and vicious attacks...simply for holding different views! The way I see it, this is no longer a public forum, it's a SJVC forum...and as I'm not one of their disciples, I'm obviously in the wrong place. I've lost my taste for jyotish completely and would much rather be a gardener. At the end of the day it's the quality of heart that counts, not the amount of knowledge you've managed to cram into your brain, and my heart is sorely bruised. I've got to know some genuine people here who will never be forgotten, but this is not only the end of the list for me but the end of jyotish. There's much, much more to life than this. I don't want to ever look at another book or another horoscope again as long as I live. Wendy PHURRBALL3 [PHURRBALL3] Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:38 AM gjlist Re: [gjlist] Happy trails to you I think that anyone who would intimate that Robert is a "self-styled guru" has no idea where he is coming from and no idea what they are talking about as far as he is concerned. Having had a reading with Robert, I have to say I'm glad the reading was taped because I was overcome with what I was "reading" back (involuntarily) about the energy and essence of this good, gentle compassionate man. I don't know how to express this very well, but I felt that his energy is so pure and sincere, his essence is that of a holy man. The last, because of his genuine humility, he probably doesn't know, but I felt like crying when I realized and recognized what was true. Only his compassion and understanding gave me the courage to push through and carry on with the reading, but I was kind of gulping and having trouble focusing on the little messes of my chart in the presence of that kind of spiritual infusion. I felt so happy, too, because I was once before briefly in the presence of a holy man and it was over so fast and you miss it forever after, and here was a surprise gift of that nature. This isn't anything anyone told me, it's just what I know, OK? Firsthand experience. Robert's intentions were to give an astrology reading (I asked for a reading in lesson form), so when I speak of spiritual infusion, this is what happened to me because of this involuntary reading thing on my part--nobody can help what energy they project. It made me feel so sad about what has happened on the list, because maybe some of you don't know what you're missing, but some of us sure do know. As I perceive it, Robert is about giving and I wish somehow I could protect that in this world. I often startle people outside of the "cyber world" by focusing very intently on them when they say something because of trying to discern their intent. And sometimes you have to decide well, I don't relate well to that type of person, I'm walking away. Might be interested in what I read about someone who tries to engage you in a power struggle--you can have the drive for power over others in your heart, or you can have love in your heart, but not both. Jealousy makes it pretty crowded and uncomfortable in there too, and is no fun to boot. I will try to make certain of my own intent before saying things, and it's the human condition to have problems caused by our egos in various ways, Vanity being de debbil's favorite sin and all. Also, I like to remember: "A merry heart doeth good like a medicine, while a sour spirit drieth the bones." Namaste, y'all Robin gjlist- Your use of is subject to gjlist- Your use of is subject to _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 Dear Ann, So good to have you here with us! Your descriptions of the scene are refreshing! Please rest awhile and help yourself...I must go fix something at the back porch and will be right back! smiles, Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 .....and when it finally pours rain, we have no choice but to seek shelter together under the broad veranda...fussying over the little ones and elders, towelling them dry, keeping them warm to protect their delicate health... ....but what of the cat?......she hasn't survived this long in the wild without honing her instincts...we leave a saucer of milk to nourish her... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 Wendy, Because people disagree with your views, and the way you handled things with certain listmembers, does not mean that you are being persecuted. If you read over the posts again you will see that they are minor chastisements, as well as recommendations for a more harmonious interaction on this site. These responses are not out of place and personal, as the listmembers would react in the same way regardless of who was obstructing a teacher. Visti saw the strong guru-chandala yoga in yor chart, yet his comment was a constructive one, urging you to be careful with what you write, and suggesting that you perform remedial measures so that the bad effects are removed. This should not be looked at as an attack, he is trying to help. You have led a very lucky life indeed if you have never in this life suffered "such personal and vicious attacks". ;-) Guru-chandala of such close conjunction is a very dangerous combination, and Visti did the right thing by pointing it out. In your case it is indicative of a curse of a Brahmin, due to the guru- chadala yoga, with Jupiter in Saturn's navamsa, and the 12th lord's conjunction with Rahu.(BPHS ch. 83) This takes place in your 7th house of marital relations. They have caused the loss of husband, family and wealth, so you know its power. And you should desire to rememdy its negative effects. The reaction that you met with could only be expected, as most jyotishis are religious people, and when a religious person is hounded on this list, then the people are going to try to get the person antagonizing to act more harmoniously. Same thing with the SJVC comments made below. Again this is a spiritual organization, that follows in the line of Parasara, and criticism and mocking of this can only draw negative responses in this forum. The attack on religious instituitions and individuals is the well-known effect of a guru-chandala yoga. By pointing this yoga out, you should see that people are drawing focus off of you as a person, to a single combination in your chart that is rectifiable through devotion, japa and meditation. People do not have a problem so much with you, just with the reactionary way you deal with people that should be treated with deference, thankfullness and respect due to them. So don't take it personally, as anyone would have gotten the same reaction as you did. People don't want you to leave, you have been contributing for a long time, and it is only recently that things have gotten hot. What they ask for is consideration of the efforts put in by others and desire of promoting a healthy learning environment. It is not difficult at all to obtain, and engenders a pleasant feeling in the heart. You are correct when you say that it is the "quality of heart that counts." Hopefully in the future more of a feeling of love and comraderie between ALL members can be felt again. regards, Alex J gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@o...> wrote: > Dear Members, > > It seems that those belonging to SJVC with it's system of Gurus and it's > system of elevating divisional charts and obscure methods beyond Rashi > delineation, are intent on crucifying anyone who's in disagreement with > them. There is harmony (and acceptance) as long as YOU ACCEPT the teachings > of these Gurus. This can bring nothing but discredit to jyotish in the long > run. > > Never in my entire life have I been subjected to such personal and vicious > attacks...simply for holding different views! The way I see it, this is no > longer a public forum, it's a SJVC forum...and as I'm not one of their > disciples, I'm obviously in the wrong place. > > I've lost my taste for jyotish completely and would much rather be a > gardener. At the end of the day it's the quality of heart that counts, not > the amount of knowledge you've managed to cram into your brain, and my heart > is sorely bruised. > > I've got to know some genuine people here who will never be forgotten, but > this is not only the end of the list for me but the end of jyotish. There's > much, much more to life than this. I don't want to ever look at another book > or another horoscope again as long as I live. > > Wendy > > > > PHURRBALL3@a... [PHURRBALL3@a...] > Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:38 AM > gjlist > Re: [gjlist] Happy trails to you > > > I think that anyone who would intimate that Robert is a "self- styled > guru" has no idea where he is coming from and no idea what they are talking > about as far as he is concerned. Having had a reading with Robert, I have > to > say I'm glad the reading was taped because I was overcome with what I was > "reading" back (involuntarily) about the energy and essence of this good, > gentle compassionate man. I don't know how to express this very well, but I > felt that his energy is so pure and sincere, his essence is that of a holy > man. The last, because of his genuine humility, he probably doesn't know, > but I felt like crying when I realized and recognized what was true. Only > his compassion and understanding gave me the courage to push through and > carry on with the reading, but I was kind of gulping and having trouble > focusing on the little messes of my chart in the presence of that kind of > spiritual infusion. I felt so happy, too, because I was once before > briefly > in the presence of a holy man and it was over so fast and you miss it > forever > after, and here was a surprise gift of that nature. This isn't anything > anyone told me, it's just what I know, OK? Firsthand experience. Robert's > intentions were to give an astrology reading (I asked for a reading in > lesson > form), so when I speak of spiritual infusion, this is what happened to me > because of this involuntary reading thing on my part--nobody can help what > energy they project. > It made me feel so sad about what has happened on the list, because > maybe some of you don't know what you're missing, but some of us sure do > know. As I perceive it, Robert is about giving and I wish somehow I could > protect that in this world. I often startle people outside of the "cyber > world" by focusing very intently on them when they say something because of > trying to discern their intent. And sometimes you have to decide well, I > don't relate well to that type of person, I'm walking away. Might be > interested in what I read about someone who tries to engage you in a power > struggle--you can have the drive for power over others in your heart, or you > can have love in your heart, but not both. Jealousy makes it pretty crowded > and uncomfortable in there too, and is no fun to boot. I will try to make > certain of my own intent before saying things, and it's the human condition > to have problems caused by our egos in various ways, Vanity being de > debbil's > favorite sin and all. Also, I like to remember: "A merry heart doeth good > like a medicine, while a sour spirit drieth the bones." > Namaste, y'all > Robin > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 Carol, I have not seen Mani for a while - maybe he is still counting the froggees in the pond. How did you manage to grow such strong olive trees so close to the back porch? Must be the special climate you live in. Do you see the dove just above the top of the branches? Oh, noo - it is a cloud. Picasso's? Maybe. Yes, i need new glasses, definitely getting pink ones again... Too bad that Natabara and Bev couldnt make it. Maybe we could send a piece of pie and some fruit over, sure they would love that. I heard, he is improving every day. Krishna is on 24hrs duty. No, you dont need health insurance coverage for that... Thank you for having all of us .... what a truely graceful hostess you are !!! Sabine Carolhook [Carolhook] Tuesday, May 08, 2001 11:54 PM gjlist Re: [gjlist] Happy trails to you Dear Wendy, Please join us in a cup of tea or a cold drink, Wendy--it's been a long time since listmembers just sat down to a pleasant table in a place like this, our mid-month resting place. We have friendship, tea, cold drinks, and here's freshly sliced Orange Braid Bread, strawberries, and sliced kiwi fruit. We are just being thankful for Das, and for Sabine's kindness to let us hear from him. Feel free to relax and unwind at tea withg us, Wendy. See that line of trees where the stray cat is walking? You can see the silvery sides of the maple leaves when the wind picks up, and they say that it means the drought will be over soon when the leaves flutter like that. Let's enjoy the afternoon, see if it doesn't rain a few hours from now. with smiles, Carol gjlist- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 Sabine, Yes, it's wonderful, the olive trees were planted in the shade and they still grew so well, and the doves, beautiful, aren't they! So good to have you here with us, Sabine! I like those glasses you talk about, and the Picasso cloud was replaced by none other than Monet! I am certain we will hear from Bev and Natabara, they are receiving our prayers to be well and join us soon. And Visvanathan, too, is mending now. So happy to have everyone here! Let all enjoy! I await our host's next address, he's over there brushing crumbs off his beard, and he looks very much like an Aries! smiles, Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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