Sv: Depression(Andrew)

[Guest guest]

Namaste Andrew.

As always I admire your interpretations, always a clear approach, yet you give

some elbow room.. thats what i admire.

 

This isn't so much a posting regarding Wendy's chart, but a general question of

opinion.

Normally i don't scream Guru-Chandala Yoga, unless i've taken a propper look,

and i did infact feel it was working in this case.

 

There may be Raja Yogas, but even a Guru-Chandala Yoga can lead one to fame and

fortune. It still doesn't change its indications.

 

My question is rather, do you feel the effects of this yoga are removed in this

chart, or do you just feel that there is some auspiciousnes linked to it?

 

As for Ayanamsa's; i heard Sri Yukteswar, only used his Ayanamsa to reckon the

Yugas, chakras, etc. Hence all he used it for was to reckon Jupiter+Saturn

conjunctions. He was indeed an enlightened man.

 

Best wishes, Visti.

 

 

-

Andrew Lynn <skinbags

<gjlist>

Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:45 AM

Re: [gjlist] Depression

 

 

> Dear Wendy

>

> Some of the misleading comments I have seen written about your chart would

> be funny if the people making them didn't consider themselves serious

> astrologers. It is clear many people do not know the ABC of astrology and

> should not post comments on a chart unless they are sure they know what they

> are talking about. To simply quote a sloka or a yoga from an ancient text

> and then apply it simplistically to a chart shows extreme ignorance.

>

> Your chart shows the 10th sign of Capricorn rising with the lagna lord

> located in the intellectual sign of Gemini in the growing 6th house of work

> and service. The lagna lord is excellently placed in the 9th house from

> natal Moon in the nakshatra of birth yogi planet Mars in the sign of both a

> friend and an exalted 9th lord Mercury. Mars in the 5th house gives a

> piercing and sharp intellect and Mars is in close trine to exalted Mercury

> who is also well placed in the 9th house from lagna and 12th house of moksha

> from the Moon. The 9th lord is in the 9th house exalted giving Lakshmi yoga.

>

> The Moon is excellently placed in the 10th house in good aspect to the lagna

> lord and Jupiter is exalted in the 7th house and 10th house from the Moon

> once again forming an excellent Raja yoga. This association of Jupiter and

> Rahu is a brilliant combination as their dispositor is in the 10th house and

> both fall in the nakshatra of Mercury the 9th lord who is exalted. The

> dispositors of the nodes are in good aspect and the nakshatra lords are also

> in good aspect. The Moon in the 10th house is excellent in the nakshatra of

> Rahu as Rahu forms a powerful raja yoga in the 10th house from Moon with

> exalted Jupiter.

>

> Once again the navamsha is very strong with the lagna lord Mercury in the

> 9th house in good aspect to Jupiter and Rahu. The rashi lagna lord is

> exalted in the navamsha with the karaka planet Venus which is in its own

> navamsha. Your atmakaraka is Jupiter and is exalted in the nakshatra of the

> 9th lord Mercury and placed in the 10th house from the Moon associated with

> Rahu. This is a great Raja Yoga. Jupiter is neecha in the navamsha but

> placed in the navamsha of Saturn who is a strong planet for you so will do

> no harm. Neecha planets are often the best planets in a chart and cannot be

> interpreted in a simplistic fashion like I see people doing. The nature of

> every planet must be considered before making any comments on what its

> effects will be in a chart.

>

> Transit Saturn is now exactly on your 8th house cusp from natal Moon and

> Jupiter is also in the 8th house from the Moon. This is hard for you as

> Saturn is also lagna lord. Mars is now 1 day away from being stationary so

> you should have known better not to pick arguments at this time as you were

> always going to get a pounding. I have you in Mercury/ Sun period and the

> Sun is 8th lord afflicted by the aspects of the argumentative Mars and the

> planet of depression Saturn. As great enemy of the Sun this transit of

> Saturn is a hard one in the Sun's sub period. Saturn is in bad aspect to

> both the Moon and Sun and also transiting the nakshatra ruled by the Sun. A

> lot of 8th house influences on your mind in the 5th house of enjoyments from

> the lagna.

>

> You are under some malefic influence and we all should feel for you rather

> than standing in judgement. I am also concerned with people using and

> teaching the use of the divisional charts which require such a small margin

> of time to be actually correct. Even if there is six people at a birth you

> will get six different birthtimes unless they have synchronised their

> watches exactly to GMT. Then you must decide what constitutes a birth- first

> breath, cutting of the umbilical cord, the appearence of the head ?? Often

> many minutes pass between these things and if not present at the birth we

> must hope the nurse wrote down the time accurately and was not rushing out

> to tell the waiting father of his new child or washing her hands etc.

>

> Then there is the question of the ayanamsha which is still not 100% clear no

> matter what we think. For example, Sri Yukteswar gives a 1 degree difference

> from Lahiri and Krishnamurti and he was an enlightened man. Who can say he

> was wrong ? I have recently seen reference to D60 and even D108 on the list

> which I think other than an intellectual concept is silly to try to

> interpret. Many beginners and newcomers to Vedic astrology read the list and

> I often wonder what they think when they see such petty bickerings from

> people who claim to be religious and on the spiritual path.

>

> I have a large collection of ancient texts on astrology and find them

> helpful but also confusing. I think we must learn to differ between a

> principal and the manifestation of a principal. The ancient texts should be

> seen in terms of principals and not apply each sloka or yoga literally and

> dogmatically to every chart we come across. A part is not the whole and no

> planet, yoga or sloka should be taken in isolation as there may be an aspect

> that will completely change the manifestation of the basic principal given

> in the text.

>

> Then there is the point that we do not really know what any old sage

> actually said because we were not there ourselves to hear it. We only have

> second and third hand texts of what they were suppossed to have said. I

> recently read "The Kama Sutra" by Richard Burton who was responsible for

> many translations of the old texts from Sanskrit to English. It gives a good

> idea of just how difficult a job this was. Firstly, he had to search India

> for a number of the same text he was to translate. He found they were always

> different and often incomplete. He then hired a number of Pundits skilled in

> Sanskrit to translate the text into English and there was always many

> disagreements on what the author meant to say. Once translated by the

> Pundits the text then had to be rewritten by a native speaker of English for

> clarity. Finally, Burton would once again rewrite the text to stamp his own

> thoughts on it and give it his style and color.

>

> If you look at the translations of Parashara's work, we get many different

> versions which often differ on certain aspects of interpretation. To say

> Parashara said this or that is wrong. It would be more correct to say

> "Parashara allegedly said................." We do not apply the laws found

> in ancient law books until we have carefully checked them to see if they are

> still relevent. We would certainly not apply them unless relevent to the

> case before the court. Astrology laws should be treated the same way and be

> put under careful scrutiny until proved correct.

>

> Misunderstandings have seen two of the most experienced astrologers leave

> the list which can only have a negative result for all of those who depend

> on it for reliable information. We all should remember each and every

> horoscope has the capacity for good or bad depending on many factors. To see

> people applying principals recklessly worries me as Vedic astrology is the

> real loser in the end. We must endevour to set aside our own prejudices and

> communicate in a humble environment free of egos. We are all babies to

> astrology and must remember the ancient Rishis said it takes many lifetimes

> to become competent in this divine science. This is the one thing I believe

> is 100% correct.................................

>

>

> Andrew

>

>

>

> gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>