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Namaste.

Thanx i'm non Indian.

Actually my fathers danish and my mothers kenyan, but i cling to vedic ideals,

as it gives me clarity in other religions.

 

Best wishes, Visti.

 

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Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal

<gjlist>

Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:19 PM

RE: [gjlist] Depression(Andrew)

 

 

> Namaste Visti

>

> I guess interpretation of 'Guru-Chandal' Yoga as to its meaning whilst using

> it in context to "Indians" and "Non - Indians" is a matter of ones own

> interpretation and would recommend mediation on it and/or consultation with

> ones Guru for a better understanding. I certainly am No expert but taking

> All Yoga interpretations Too Literally as given would be a gross fallacy on

> ones part. I agree that some 'common' themes would be applicable to general

> public irrespective of creed/culture But for a finer interpretation one

> would always need to keep natives circumstances/where one is

> living/creed/culture etc in mind.

>

> If indeed being a 'Non-Indian' you pray/believe in 'Indian Gods' then I

> would suggest your looking for this Yoga in your chart for following

> 'foreign' ideals/thoughts/cultures etc.

>

> Trusting above comments not taken out of context as no disrespect is

> implied.

>

> Best wishes ......

>

> Jai Sita Ram

>

> Ram

>

>

> >

> > Visti Larsen [sMTP:vlarsen]

> > Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:28 AM

> > gjlist

> > Sv: [gjlist] Depression(Andrew)

> >

> > Namaste Andrew.

> > As always I admire your interpretations, always a clear approach, yet you

> > give some elbow room.. thats what i admire.

> >

> > This isn't so much a posting regarding Wendy's chart, but a general

> > question of opinion.

> > Normally i don't scream Guru-Chandala Yoga, unless i've taken a propper

> > look, and i did infact feel it was working in this case.

> >

> > There may be Raja Yogas, but even a Guru-Chandala Yoga can lead one to

> > fame and fortune. It still doesn't change its indications.

> >

> > My question is rather, do you feel the effects of this yoga are removed in

> > this chart, or do you just feel that there is some auspiciousnes linked to

> > it?

> >

> > As for Ayanamsa's; i heard Sri Yukteswar, only used his Ayanamsa to reckon

> > the Yugas, chakras, etc. Hence all he used it for was to reckon

> > Jupiter+Saturn conjunctions. He was indeed an enlightened man.

> >

> > Best wishes, Visti.

> >

> >

> > -

> > Andrew Lynn <skinbags

> > <gjlist>

> > Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:45 AM

> > Re: [gjlist] Depression

> >

> >

> > > Dear Wendy

> > >

> > > Some of the misleading comments I have seen written about your chart

> > would

> > > be funny if the people making them didn't consider themselves serious

> > > astrologers. It is clear many people do not know the ABC of astrology

> > and

> > > should not post comments on a chart unless they are sure they know what

> > they

> > > are talking about. To simply quote a sloka or a yoga from an ancient

> > text

> > > and then apply it simplistically to a chart shows extreme ignorance.

> > >

> > > Your chart shows the 10th sign of Capricorn rising with the lagna lord

> > > located in the intellectual sign of Gemini in the growing 6th house of

> > work

> > > and service. The lagna lord is excellently placed in the 9th house from

> > > natal Moon in the nakshatra of birth yogi planet Mars in the sign of

> > both a

> > > friend and an exalted 9th lord Mercury. Mars in the 5th house gives a

> > > piercing and sharp intellect and Mars is in close trine to exalted

> > Mercury

> > > who is also well placed in the 9th house from lagna and 12th house of

> > moksha

> > > from the Moon. The 9th lord is in the 9th house exalted giving Lakshmi

> > yoga.

> > >

> > > The Moon is excellently placed in the 10th house in good aspect to the

> > lagna

> > > lord and Jupiter is exalted in the 7th house and 10th house from the

> > Moon

> > > once again forming an excellent Raja yoga. This association of Jupiter

> > and

> > > Rahu is a brilliant combination as their dispositor is in the 10th house

> > and

> > > both fall in the nakshatra of Mercury the 9th lord who is exalted. The

> > > dispositors of the nodes are in good aspect and the nakshatra lords are

> > also

> > > in good aspect. The Moon in the 10th house is excellent in the nakshatra

> > of

> > > Rahu as Rahu forms a powerful raja yoga in the 10th house from Moon with

> > > exalted Jupiter.

> > >

> > > Once again the navamsha is very strong with the lagna lord Mercury in

> > the

> > > 9th house in good aspect to Jupiter and Rahu. The rashi lagna lord is

> > > exalted in the navamsha with the karaka planet Venus which is in its own

> > > navamsha. Your atmakaraka is Jupiter and is exalted in the nakshatra of

> > the

> > > 9th lord Mercury and placed in the 10th house from the Moon associated

> > with

> > > Rahu. This is a great Raja Yoga. Jupiter is neecha in the navamsha but

> > > placed in the navamsha of Saturn who is a strong planet for you so will

> > do

> > > no harm. Neecha planets are often the best planets in a chart and cannot

> > be

> > > interpreted in a simplistic fashion like I see people doing. The nature

> > of

> > > every planet must be considered before making any comments on what its

> > > effects will be in a chart.

> > >

> > > Transit Saturn is now exactly on your 8th house cusp from natal Moon and

> > > Jupiter is also in the 8th house from the Moon. This is hard for you as

> > > Saturn is also lagna lord. Mars is now 1 day away from being stationary

> > so

> > > you should have known better not to pick arguments at this time as you

> > were

> > > always going to get a pounding. I have you in Mercury/ Sun period and

> > the

> > > Sun is 8th lord afflicted by the aspects of the argumentative Mars and

> > the

> > > planet of depression Saturn. As great enemy of the Sun this transit of

> > > Saturn is a hard one in the Sun's sub period. Saturn is in bad aspect to

> > > both the Moon and Sun and also transiting the nakshatra ruled by the

> > Sun. A

> > > lot of 8th house influences on your mind in the 5th house of enjoyments

> > from

> > > the lagna.

> > >

> > > You are under some malefic influence and we all should feel for you

> > rather

> > > than standing in judgement. I am also concerned with people using and

> > > teaching the use of the divisional charts which require such a small

> > margin

> > > of time to be actually correct. Even if there is six people at a birth

> > you

> > > will get six different birthtimes unless they have synchronised their

> > > watches exactly to GMT. Then you must decide what constitutes a birth-

> > first

> > > breath, cutting of the umbilical cord, the appearence of the head ??

> > Often

> > > many minutes pass between these things and if not present at the birth

> > we

> > > must hope the nurse wrote down the time accurately and was not rushing

> > out

> > > to tell the waiting father of his new child or washing her hands etc.

> > >

> > > Then there is the question of the ayanamsha which is still not 100%

> > clear no

> > > matter what we think. For example, Sri Yukteswar gives a 1 degree

> > difference

> > > from Lahiri and Krishnamurti and he was an enlightened man. Who can say

> > he

> > > was wrong ? I have recently seen reference to D60 and even D108 on the

> > list

> > > which I think other than an intellectual concept is silly to try to

> > > interpret. Many beginners and newcomers to Vedic astrology read the list

> > and

> > > I often wonder what they think when they see such petty bickerings from

> > > people who claim to be religious and on the spiritual path.

> > >

> > > I have a large collection of ancient texts on astrology and find them

> > > helpful but also confusing. I think we must learn to differ between a

> > > principal and the manifestation of a principal. The ancient texts should

> > be

> > > seen in terms of principals and not apply each sloka or yoga literally

> > and

> > > dogmatically to every chart we come across. A part is not the whole and

> > no

> > > planet, yoga or sloka should be taken in isolation as there may be an

> > aspect

> > > that will completely change the manifestation of the basic principal

> > given

> > > in the text.

> > >

> > > Then there is the point that we do not really know what any old sage

> > > actually said because we were not there ourselves to hear it. We only

> > have

> > > second and third hand texts of what they were suppossed to have said. I

> > > recently read "The Kama Sutra" by Richard Burton who was responsible for

> > > many translations of the old texts from Sanskrit to English. It gives a

> > good

> > > idea of just how difficult a job this was. Firstly, he had to search

> > India

> > > for a number of the same text he was to translate. He found they were

> > always

> > > different and often incomplete. He then hired a number of Pundits

> > skilled in

> > > Sanskrit to translate the text into English and there was always many

> > > disagreements on what the author meant to say. Once translated by the

> > > Pundits the text then had to be rewritten by a native speaker of English

> > for

> > > clarity. Finally, Burton would once again rewrite the text to stamp his

> > own

> > > thoughts on it and give it his style and color.

> > >

> > > If you look at the translations of Parashara's work, we get many

> > different

> > > versions which often differ on certain aspects of interpretation. To say

> > > Parashara said this or that is wrong. It would be more correct to say

> > > "Parashara allegedly said................." We do not apply the laws

> > found

> > > in ancient law books until we have carefully checked them to see if they

> > are

> > > still relevent. We would certainly not apply them unless relevent to the

> > > case before the court. Astrology laws should be treated the same way and

> > be

> > > put under careful scrutiny until proved correct.

> > >

> > > Misunderstandings have seen two of the most experienced astrologers

> > leave

> > > the list which can only have a negative result for all of those who

> > depend

> > > on it for reliable information. We all should remember each and every

> > > horoscope has the capacity for good or bad depending on many factors. To

> > see

> > > people applying principals recklessly worries me as Vedic astrology is

> > the

> > > real loser in the end. We must endevour to set aside our own prejudices

> > and

> > > communicate in a humble environment free of egos. We are all babies to

> > > astrology and must remember the ancient Rishis said it takes many

> > lifetimes

> > > to become competent in this divine science. This is the one thing I

> > believe

> > > is 100% correct.................................

> > >

> > >

> > > Andrew

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > gjlist-

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> >

> >

> > gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

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