Guest guest Posted May 24, 2001 Report Share Posted May 24, 2001 It is the natural response to suffering to try to remove it. All entities do this automatically. Humans can "think about right and wrong", and thus ponder in that realm, but when actually challenged, will always defend or toil as is natural. For referrence, this issue is clearly delt with in Gita in this conclusive way: You cannot stop being what you were made to be, so your should not try, but you should try to see your life as sacrifice for the Divine Center (some think is impersonal, some think it's personal, Krishna, that not being addressed here). Otherwise, in non-Hindu modern psychology in the West, the same conclusion is supported. In modern new age therapie/healing findings, the same conslusion is supported. So, we seem to see all humans who think about it alot, coming to the conclusion that repression of natural tendency won't work for us. If we are predisposed to a painful condition, we will naturally try to avoid triggers that excite the pain. That is part of natural self preservation. This process teaches us things about science, and science is knowledge, and knowledge equals "ability to navigate complex environments correctly" ultimately, and that is necessary to play in a complex place succesfully, so the personalist Vedic Paradigm of a personal liberation gives this special purpose, in that we are being trained to perform pastimes in complex personal environments like this one or better, and we are needing to learn all about what works and doesn't work in God's energies, in the Divine Energies, and thus this world of learning is transitional, in flux, destructible, because it isn't final, but rather a temporary training camp. In fact, in physics, one can back off aways and see that, time being relative, that time is in one sense a joke, that all our millions of lives could therefore conceivably take place in a flash from a larger view, and thus all this "suffering" we take so seriously, becomes a joke once you emerge from that space of time in which we are currently, so you "graduate" to a higher plane, and this is forgotten, thus it never happened, in one sense. Just like when you are an older person, your childhood is a distant memory. Helpless as we are, it seems safe to assume such grand strategies are possibly being done to us, seeing as we currently do not seem to be in control of the master knobs controlling us. I myself have great distaste for the fact that I'm in a body subject to old age and disease and death, but there's not much I can about it at all. So it makes sense to see that there is someone/something else in control. They must have a reason, and a plan, a system, a way, and it's probably for a cause or purpose, some plan. But we can't be sure why. So, we're basically forced to learn to float ALONG WITH what is going on. And again, that is what is supported in sastra and modern findings. Learning to accept and coast with that which is, rather than with that which we dream of, is more healthy and happy ultimately. So yoga, learning to link with and merge with, what actually is, is the chosen process of mental progress for humans by the wise. Advancement in this game starts to render one mentally impervious to care over that which is temporary. That's one of it's chief aims. So the setup is one of "tough love". There is duality or balance built into everything. As humans, we are above animals, but given the life or abilities so it seems so that we can be imbalanced, excessive, etc., so as to learn to take control over ourselves directly. Instead of being forced by nature, like animals, we now get to direct the best of bodies, the human one, ourselves. It's like being in Top Gun of soul training. We can blow it and buy the farm, or succede and soar the heavens. It's an opportunity. But to learn, we have to have these duality boundaries. You see, maintainence, balance is what is divine. When you can mentally freely cooperate as a unit within a subtly balanced system of play and life, knowing how to not violate borders, and having learned to recognize everything properly, you are ready and wholly willing from your own heart to be pure in this way. This is liberation. That is the spiritual realm. So on the way there, the mutable material energy provides play-clay for us to practice and learn, as it functions just like real life, but it's a simulator, with a massive forgiveness program built in called "forced death". You have to die, but you are also therefore guaranteed perpetual forgiveness for blowing it. So the pain is part of the progress. The pain is the motivator for the gain. It's all forgotten in the relativities of "time", and just as a parent knows that the punishment will end, the lesson day will end, and gradually the person will understand why they were schooled in the first place, similarly I think the magic answer for all "pain", is that one day it will be your cause of jokes and laughter with friends above. Pain is a perception of loss of matter we don't own within a realm guaranteed to receive full destruction. Therefore, pain is a grand illusion. But yes, like all illusions here, we "feel" them directly and they "hurt", but again, this is from a mind that is identifying with the body. The intellect can rise above that, but it takes tremendous practice over time, again, we are only perceiving over time for now, but that is so relative that it indeed isn't really real. So growth spiritually is a linear experience of an event, but the time it takes is an illusion, therefore deja vu is rampant, and astrologers win. Think of experiencing growth over time as a color smeared on an illusory time line. It's actually a vertical event, being smeared across a horizontal illusion. When you undo the illusion, you experience the vertical event directly, and this is so astounding, you forget all about most everything else, except you still have to deal with it, so your relationship to it becomes tolerance, and death and disease fit right in there, so they serve to confirm your liberation experience, and thus you welcome them, and they increase your bliss of vertical living, rather than horizontal illusory pain. In this way, the progressive vertical spiritualist ends up befriending difficulties, for he knows, as when they line your path, you know you are walking sideways correctly. It's cause for laughter at that point. 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