GJ List Quiz #1

[Guest guest]

Hi All:

 

Thanks to those who responded to my suggestion. I'll assume an iceberg

theory of approval here (10% above the water line corresponds to a majority

of silent but approving lurkers).

 

I thought I would throw a totally blind test out first just so you know how

these things work. To my mind, this is a real yardstick for astrology,

although as I said, it is more difficult than what one usually encounters

when seeing a real live human being for a reading. OTOH, lots of

unexpected things can pop up in people's charts that aren't related to

their life options at any given time, so understanding how to read charts

blindly really is useful.

 

Here's the data:

 

Female born Jul 3 1949 10.05 pm CCT (Tz 8)

Manila, Philippines 14n25 121e00

 

Source: birth certificate

Asc(lahiri): 16Aq48

residence on birthday prior to event: Manila

 

 

What happened on Dec 3 1974?

 

Let's try one week on this one, OK? Answers due by June 11. Please

include an account of your astrological reasoning.

 

Have fun!

 

Chris

[Guest guest]

Christopher Kevill wrote:

>

> Asc(lahiri): 16Aq48

> residence on birthday prior to event: Manila

>

Dear Chris,

 

Please also give RESIDENCE on date of occurrence, IF THEN PERMANENT AND NOT A

VISIT -also say if relocation was very recent. This is needed for my LSRs!

 

regards

Mani

[Guest guest]

Om Krsnaaya Namah

 

Hey Chris!

 

>

> Here's the data:

>

> Female born Jul 3 1949 10.05 pm CCT (Tz 8)

> Manila, Philippines 14n25 121e00

>

> Source: birth certificate

> Asc(lahiri): 16Aq48

> residence on birthday prior to event: Manila

>

>

> What happened on Dec 3 1974?

>

 

Looks like I'll be the first to look foolish! Was it some health problem,

perhaps resulting in surgery or hospitalisation, perhaps afflicting the

reproductive organs e.g. hysterectomy etc?

 

High embarrassment potential here, so I'll write up my analysis if it's

right.

 

Thanks,

 

Pursottam

 

P.S. Great idea BTW!

 

 

_______

 

Get your free @ address at

[Guest guest]

Pursottam:

 

Thanks for being the first to go public. I've already a received a guess

from another person but it was sent to me off list. This is also fine with

me. I know not everyone wants to risk embarrassment.

 

Please also send your astrological reasoning that explains your guess.

 

Chris

 

 

At 12:27 AM 6/7/01 +0100, you wrote:

>Om Krsnaaya Namah

>

>Hey Chris!

>

>>

>> Here's the data:

>>

>> Female born Jul 3 1949 10.05 pm CCT (Tz 8)

>> Manila, Philippines 14n25 121e00

>>

>> Source: birth certificate

>> Asc(lahiri): 16Aq48

>> residence on birthday prior to event: Manila

>>

>>

>> What happened on Dec 3 1974?

>>

>

>Looks like I'll be the first to look foolish! Was it some health problem,

>perhaps resulting in surgery or hospitalisation, perhaps afflicting the

>reproductive organs e.g. hysterectomy etc?

>

>High embarrassment potential here, so I'll write up my analysis if it's

>right.

>

>Thanks,

>

>Pursottam

>

>P.S. Great idea BTW!

>

>

>_______

>

>Get your free @ address at

>

>

>

>gjlist-

>

>

>

>Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Christopher Kevill wrote:

> Pursottam:

>

> Thanks for being the first to go public. I've already a received a guess

> from another person but it was sent to me off list. This is also fine with

> me. I know not everyone wants to risk embarrassment.

 

 

Dear Chris,

 

I have no objection to my letter being on the list, but I wanted to avoid

influencing anybody´s approach.

 

Also I only wanted a "hot" or "cold" answer, so I could either try again or just

give up. Don´t mind my post being on the list, but I do beg you to give me an

answer OFF the list. I have erased my letter, but you are welcome to put it on

the list, if you think it would be right. I´m sur Pursottam too would

appreciate a hot/cold answer from you. None of us wants to spend a lot of time

writing up a report if we have goofed it anyway. so an answer like: off the

mark, close to mark, neutral etc would help. This means more work for you,

unfortunately.

 

regards

Mani

[Guest guest]

Mani:

 

>

>I have no objection to my letter being on the list, but I wanted to avoid

>influencing anybody´s approach.

 

That's fine. One quiz series I've participated in doesn't post the guesses

before the answer is revealed either. The other one does. I prefer the

latter approach because I think it creates more of a collective learning

atmosphere, where everyone sees everyone's else's thinking as it's

happening. When you don't see the reasoning until after the fact, it's too

much all at once. Doesn't encourage as much learning and debate once the

answer is known. But either way is fine with me. Let's hope we can

properly examine the right answer when it's known and try to figure out how

it was arrived at.

 

>

>Also I only wanted a "hot" or "cold" answer, so I could either try again

or just

>give up. Don´t mind my post being on the list, but I do beg you to give me

an

>answer OFF the list. I have erased my letter, but you are welcome to put

it on

>the list, if you think it would be right.

 

Actually, I wasn't thinking of you when I mentioned that someone had

submitted a guess already. Yours seemed preliminary and subject to

revision. Anyway, I wanted this quiz to be like the others out there:

totally blind. No hot or cold. It takes too much away from the whole

process. In future, we can have mutiple choice quizzes or true false that

are easier than this one, but on principle, I'm against this tipping my

hand approach during the process.

 

I´m sur Pursottam too would

>appreciate a hot/cold answer from you. None of us wants to spend a lot of

time

>writing up a report if we have goofed it anyway.

 

I'm not asking for some huge report. Just a few sentences with the broad

outline of how you arrived at your answer. This way we can distinguish it

from people who make their guesses using means other than astrology like

pulling tarot cards, reading tea leaves, or just plain old guessing.

 

There's really no harm in guessing wrong here. Without prejudging most of

your efforts, in my experience most posts (>80%) are wrong. And there are

some quizzes that never get answered correctly. That's how hard these

tests are. So one should *expect* to get it wrong. I'm quite hopeless at

these things, FWIW. I hope to demonstrate how hopeless I truly am when

someone else posts a quiz in the future.

 

Chris

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris,

 

Did she get Married to a famous personality???

 

Regards

-Narayan

 

 

 

 

 

 

gjlist, Christopher Kevill <ckevill@i...> wrote:

> Hi All:

>

> Thanks to those who responded to my suggestion. I'll assume an iceberg

> theory of approval here (10% above the water line corresponds to a majority

> of silent but approving lurkers).

>

> I thought I would throw a totally blind test out first just so you know how

> these things work. To my mind, this is a real yardstick for astrology,

> although as I said, it is more difficult than what one usually encounters

> when seeing a real live human being for a reading. OTOH, lots of

> unexpected things can pop up in people's charts that aren't related to

> their life options at any given time, so understanding how to read charts

> blindly really is useful.

>

> Here's the data:

>

> Female born Jul 3 1949 10.05 pm CCT (Tz 8)

> Manila, Philippines 14n25 121e00

>

> Source: birth certificate

> Asc(lahiri): 16Aq48

> residence on birthday prior to event: Manila

>

>

> What happened on Dec 3 1974?

>

> Let's try one week on this one, OK? Answers due by June 11. Please

> include an account of your astrological reasoning.

>

> Have fun!

>

> Chris

[Guest guest]

Dear Christ,

The person is a martial man , and a daring one. Prone to accident , fights and

self invited troubles.

At the time of incident the person was in Jupiter Mahadasa and Saturn Antra with

Jupiter Sub.

As Jupiter is in Sun star lord of 11th a badhka place , it is bad for health and

may give other troubles to related to 12th house due to 4rth 5th and 10th house

matters.

To narrow down , it cannot be marriage as Saturn is 10th house occupant.

Saturn is aspected by Mars and is aspecting back to Mars.

The day was Tuesday.

Sun Mars Mercury and Venus were aspecting to 8th from Scorpio in such a way that

they include natal mars and mercury in between them.

A surgery or a police case both are possible.

 

Inder Jit Sahni

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Om Krsnaaya Namah

 

Hi Chris,

 

>

> I'm not asking for some huge report. Just a few sentences with the broad

> outline of how you arrived at your answer. This way we can distinguish it

 

The only problem is that I don't think a one factor approach that is

summarised in a few sentences really leads anyone (well me anyway!) to their

solution. I can give you many factors that lead me to look into a

possibility more deeply, or others which convince me more, and yet others

which I feel support my argument more. That's why I can't be bothered to

write the mental process I took, unless it is correct - forgive the

laziness...it's hot here! :-)

 

Thanks,

 

Pursottam

 

P.S. Although I didn't use tea-leaves, tarot-cards, tulips, the tap-water,

or whatever in my analysis, they are classically speaking (in a sense) still

jyotish, as they fall in the nimitta/shakuna/lakshana category i.e. signs

and omens (in the Samhita section of jyotish). As such, they still qualify

as jyotishical factors.

[Guest guest]

Hello Chris,

so much views, different and of our best astrologers...

One thing is the dasa: rahu moon, another thing is, that moon in this case

is malefic, rahu, my special friend, too is not the fellow, I would like to

meet. Mars is a malefic.

Nevertheless there are some inclinations for me, to believe, it is a matter

of career. An important and radical changement in career, (politics,

research...) though my pendulum denies it...

10th house metters in this case seem to be too important. Planets of 7

houses joined here in scorpio, the 10th. Transit sun in 10 will go well.

Transit mercury will go well too, as venus does too. Mars is a malefic, but

in his own house, might give a boost to career. Rahu in ten: may become a

leader of the masses. Why not? Neptune: may bring unexpected honours or

discredits, so why not honours? Malefic moon is in his own house in 6,

destroyer of enemies.

Saturn in 5: ruler of one in 5: good intellect...

Jupiter, though very weak in shad bala: exactly with the ascendant.

Inspite of Ketu in 4, bringing changement to hostile affairs, there would be

no bad effect to house ten.

Ashtakavarga is high: 34. Means this house might be capable to deal with

this heavy energy. Though I must admit, only average bindus on dec 3. 1974.

Age of 25: Venus does its best. Transiting house ten, being ruler of 4 and 9

must be favorable.

Co-ruler of aquarius is Uranus. Conception took place under stationary

Uranus.

Day of event: Uranus was exactly forming a trigone with transit uranus in 9.

Even this woman might have been surprised herself. Some days before this

event she might have had some kind of exhaustion.

Regards, ILona

[Guest guest]

Christopher Kevill :

> Mani:

> That's fine. One quiz series I've participated in doesn't post the guesses

> before the answer is revealed either. The other one does. I prefer the

> latter approach because I think it creates more of a collective learning

> atmosphere, where everyone sees everyone's else's thinking as it's

> happening.

 

 

OKAY Chris!

 

Here my effort, purely western/ Mani.

 

The LSR for Dec 3 happens on 2 Dec, therefore strong.

 

LSR AC is nearly conj. natal Jupiter, ruler of 2nd and 11th - money and

popularity.

 

LSR jupiter is close conj. natal AC

 

LSR DC is conj. natal venus the Yogakaraka.

 

LSR Venus, Yogakaraka, is conj. natal MC, opposite to natal Mars, lord of natal

10th.

 

Close to this a conj of sun, mercury and neptune.

 

LSR MC is trine to natal sun, lord of 7th.

 

LSR Mercury is sextile to LSR AC

 

Mars, lord of 10th is just entering 10th scorpio

 

But Saturn lord of 1st and 12h is quincunx natal MC and square natal moon, lord

of natal 6th.

 

All this denotes IMHO a sudden success, gain of power and money and honour, but

the saturn aspect might have brought stress and some health problems. But these

will last for a perod of 3 months and cannot be taken as acute.

 

An appointment to a high and lucrative post is what I´d expect, if not downright

winning in Lotto or in a casino.

 

 

The following LSR on 29 DEc:

 

Lsr jupiter still on natal AC

 

IC onj natal jupiter

 

Ac conj natal venus

 

MC square natal jupiter

 

Mars conj natal MC, as owner of house

 

Mercury opposite naral sun

 

Venus quincunx natal mars/mercury

 

saturn square natal moon, quincunx MC

 

 

The benefic and negative elements persist: still a period of success, but

increased strain on the health.

 

This could fit a politician going through an election campaign, winning the

elections and the struggling to build a cabinet etc. BUT the person was only 26

years old and this solution is very unlikely!

 

But one can get catapulted into a high rank as happened to me when I was 27.

 

Another aspect: venus aslord of 9th and jupiter as jupiter could have brought

either a great spiritual experience, or made one the head of a monastery etc.!

 

regards

Mani

[Guest guest]

Dear Christ,

Forgive me i had done mistake again . I took Tz as -8 instead of +8.

Here is the correct one.

This is female born in Venus sub has lot of reasoning power introvert but

Jupiter aspect gives balance of mind and have lot of patience.

She is known in the world due to her own personality and efforts as Venus is in

Saturn star and Saturn is ascendant lord.

Rahu mahadasa in general indicates 7th house maters connected with 11th.

Mars antardasa is more to do with 4rth house matters through 10th and 3rd.

On the day of incident , day was ruled by mars and Sun was transiting through

the Rashi of Mars and constellation of Mercury.

Moon was also transiting through the star of Saturn and from his own Rashi.

So mars mercury Saturn moon has the connection with the incident.

As Saturn is connected and it is in 6th in bhava it is not marriage but some

success.

As Mars is connected it is some education or contest .

As Moon is connected it may be with pleasure and enjoyment and may be with

speculation.

 

Inder Jit Sahni

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Inder Jit Sahni schrieb:

> Dear Christ,

> Forgive me i had done mistake again . I took Tz as -8 instead of +8.

 

Dear folks,

 

I have often posted about time zones. The best way to give time zones is to

relate it to GMT (UT). Say, "8 hours more than GMt" or " 8 hours less than

GMT". Eastern zones are minus zones, western are plus!

 

regards

Mani

 

PS: CCT is also AWST.

 

Dear Inder Jit,

 

by a cmpletely different method you seem to have arrived at the same conclusions

as I! Fools seldom differ, hahaha!

[Guest guest]

Dear Mani,

My conclusion are based on personality factor too, by Christ standard's and of

course mine too this lady is beautiful .A cancer woman has style /acting in

behave and thus attract others and Saturn constellation is very careful about

appearance , which is today norm of checking beauty , such woman or man will

move out very well dressed will comb there hairs even if he or she is to move a

short distance added to this Jupiter gives simplicity and behave as one is not

cautious about his appearance though one is too much from his inner.

Just apply it in your day to day astrology and show me the results.

And in the end it is good to be a fool along with you.

Inder Jit Sahni

-

subra

gjlist

Friday, June 08, 2001 11:32 PM

Re: [gjlist] GJ List Quiz #1

 

 

Inder Jit Sahni schrieb:

> Dear Christ,

> Forgive me i had done mistake again . I took Tz as -8 instead of +8.

 

Dear folks,

 

I have often posted about time zones. The best way to give time zones is to

relate it to GMT (UT). Say, "8 hours more than GMt" or " 8 hours less than

GMT". Eastern zones are minus zones, western are plus!

 

regards

Mani

 

PS: CCT is also AWST.

 

Dear Inder Jit,

 

by a cmpletely different method you seem to have arrived at the same

conclusions

as I! Fools seldom differ, hahaha!

 

 

gjlist-

 

 

 

Your use of is subject to

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Inder Jit Sahni wrote

> Dear Mani,

> My conclusion are based on personality factor too, by Christ standard's and

> of course mine too this lady is beautiful .A cancer woman has style /acting

> in behave and thus attract others and Saturn constellation is very careful

> about appearance , which is today norm of checking beauty , such woman or

> man will move out very well dressed will comb there hairs even if he or she

> is to move a short distance added to this Jupiter gives simplicity and

> behave as one is not cautious about his appearance though one is too much

> from his inner.

> Just apply it in your day to day astrology and show me the results.

 

 

Dear Inder Jit,

 

I agree with your remarks, but do not see how she is a cancer woman. Her Lagna

is aquarius, saturn in leo, moon in virgo. Only venus is in cancer. Please

clarify.

 

My own assumption that she must be attractive was based on this: jupiter lord of

2nd, though in debility, gets full aspect from venus in moon´s house and is

trine to moon. Moon, dispositor of venus, has full aspect on 2nd. Rahu in 2nd

can make the person "strangely attractive", some charming asymmetry or mole.

 

regards

Mani

[Guest guest]

My short answer

 

Looks like a very tough chart to me. Aquarius lagna, all the benefics

in dushtanas, Moon in 8th, Venus in 6th, Jup in 12th born on Ashtami

day with Parigha Yoga governed by Magha, and lagna lord Saturn in

Magha, Moon conjunct Ketu in 8th, under papakartari from Saturn and

Mars in Navamsa.

 

Rahu and Mars not placed well wrt each other in rasi, navamsa,

drekkana, and since Rahu-Mars is usually a bad time (personal

experience) resulting in depression, illness etc., . The annual chart

doesn't look good(debilitated Mars in the ascendant and lagnesh in

the 6th house) and the transits are significant. I would predict she

had a major illness afflicting her kidneys or liver, her longevity

looks short too, I hope she lived past it.

 

Ravi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

gjlist, Christopher Kevill <ckevill@i...> wrote:

> Hi All:

>

> Thanks to those who responded to my suggestion. I'll assume an

iceberg

> theory of approval here (10% above the water line corresponds to a

majority

> of silent but approving lurkers).

>

> I thought I would throw a totally blind test out first just so you

know how

> these things work. To my mind, this is a real yardstick for

astrology,

> although as I said, it is more difficult than what one usually

encounters

> when seeing a real live human being for a reading. OTOH, lots of

> unexpected things can pop up in people's charts that aren't related

to

> their life options at any given time, so understanding how to read

charts

> blindly really is useful.

>

> Here's the data:

>

> Female born Jul 3 1949 10.05 pm CCT (Tz 8)

> Manila, Philippines 14n25 121e00

>

> Source: birth certificate

> Asc(lahiri): 16Aq48

> residence on birthday prior to event: Manila

>

>

> What happened on Dec 3 1974?

>

> Let's try one week on this one, OK? Answers due by June 11. Please

> include an account of your astrological reasoning.

>

> Have fun!

>

> Chris

[Guest guest]

Dear Chris

 

I looked at your mystery chart and think this lady lost her partner in a

vehicle accident on this day in Feb 3 1974. She may have also been in the

accident but survived. I would say sudden loss of partner through accident

or fire.

 

Andrew

[Guest guest]

Andrew Lynn wrote:

> Dear Chris

>

> I looked at your mystery chart and think this lady lost her partner in a

> vehicle accident on this day in Feb 3 1974. She may have also been in the

> accident but survived. I would say sudden loss of partner through accident

> or fire.

 

 

Dear andrew,

 

the date given was DECEMBER 3, not FEBRUARY. Maybe you should try again, before

the deadline! The incident you refer to could have happened in february, but

then at least a day later, if not more.

 

regards

Mani

[Guest guest]

Dear Mani,

Here i mean Venus in cancer.It is sublord of Ascendent , but in the case of

women venus is effective and jupiter in the case of men.

Inder Jit Sahni

-

subra

gjlist

Saturday, June 09, 2001 12:47 PM

Re: [gjlist] GJ List Quiz #1

 

 

Inder Jit Sahni wrote

> Dear Mani,

> My conclusion are based on personality factor too, by Christ standard's and

> of course mine too this lady is beautiful .A cancer woman has style /acting

> in behave and thus attract others and Saturn constellation is very careful

> about appearance , which is today norm of checking beauty , such woman or

> man will move out very well dressed will comb there hairs even if he or she

> is to move a short distance added to this Jupiter gives simplicity and

> behave as one is not cautious about his appearance though one is too much

> from his inner.

> Just apply it in your day to day astrology and show me the results.

 

 

Dear Inder Jit,

 

I agree with your remarks, but do not see how she is a cancer woman. Her Lagna

is aquarius, saturn in leo, moon in virgo. Only venus is in cancer. Please

clarify.

 

My own assumption that she must be attractive was based on this: jupiter lord

of

2nd, though in debility, gets full aspect from venus in moon´s house and is

trine to moon. Moon, dispositor of venus, has full aspect on 2nd. Rahu in 2nd

can make the person "strangely attractive", some charming asymmetry or mole.

 

regards

Mani

 

 

gjlist-

 

 

 

Your use of is subject to

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Inder,

 

Thanks for your revised guess. Everyone should remember that when casting

these quiz charts, please pay attention to the given information. They are

there for checking. The Asc here was 16Aq48. If you don't get that Asc,

then you know you've goofed. I do this all the time, making typos here, a

bit of forgetfulness there.

 

Oh, and as nice a person as I am, I cannot be properly called "Christ" --

that's a moniker for someone else entirely different! Drop the "t", and

you have it.

 

Chris

 

 

At 08:00 PM 6/8/01 +0530, you wrote:

>Dear Christ,

>Forgive me i had done mistake again . I took Tz as -8 instead of +8.

>Here is the correct one.

>This is female born in Venus sub has lot of reasoning power introvert but

Jupiter aspect gives balance of mind and have lot of patience.

>She is known in the world due to her own personality and efforts as Venus

is in Saturn star and Saturn is ascendant lord.

>Rahu mahadasa in general indicates 7th house maters connected with 11th.

>Mars antardasa is more to do with 4rth house matters through 10th and 3rd.

>On the day of incident , day was ruled by mars and Sun was transiting

through the Rashi of Mars and constellation of Mercury.

>Moon was also transiting through the star of Saturn and from his own Rashi.

>So mars mercury Saturn moon has the connection with the incident.

>As Saturn is connected and it is in 6th in bhava it is not marriage but

some success.

>As Mars is connected it is some education or contest .

>As Moon is connected it may be with pleasure and enjoyment and may be with

speculation.

>

>Inder Jit Sahni

>

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>

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>

>gjlist-

>

>

>

>Your use of is subject to

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[Guest guest]

Dear Chris,

As you will like it but why drop why not to add opher.

 

Inder Jit Sahni

-

Christopher Kevill

gjlist

Saturday, June 09, 2001 8:29 PM

Re: [gjlist] GJ List Quiz #1

 

 

Dear Inder,

 

Thanks for your revised guess. Everyone should remember that when casting

these quiz charts, please pay attention to the given information. They are

there for checking. The Asc here was 16Aq48. If you don't get that Asc,

then you know you've goofed. I do this all the time, making typos here, a

bit of forgetfulness there.

 

Oh, and as nice a person as I am, I cannot be properly called "Christ" --

that's a moniker for someone else entirely different! Drop the "t", and

you have it.

 

Chris

 

 

At 08:00 PM 6/8/01 +0530, you wrote:

>Dear Christ,

>Forgive me i had done mistake again . I took Tz as -8 instead of +8.

>Here is the correct one.

>This is female born in Venus sub has lot of reasoning power introvert but

Jupiter aspect gives balance of mind and have lot of patience.

>She is known in the world due to her own personality and efforts as Venus

is in Saturn star and Saturn is ascendant lord.

>Rahu mahadasa in general indicates 7th house maters connected with 11th.

>Mars antardasa is more to do with 4rth house matters through 10th and 3rd.

>On the day of incident , day was ruled by mars and Sun was transiting

through the Rashi of Mars and constellation of Mercury.

>Moon was also transiting through the star of Saturn and from his own Rashi.

>So mars mercury Saturn moon has the connection with the incident.

>As Saturn is connected and it is in 6th in bhava it is not marriage but

some success.

>As Mars is connected it is some education or contest .

>As Moon is connected it may be with pleasure and enjoyment and may be with

speculation.

>

>Inder Jit Sahni

>

>

>

>

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>

>gjlist-

>

>

>

>Your use of is subject to

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gjlist-

 

 

 

Your use of is subject to

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris, hi all,

 

Here is my try.

 

On that day she was running Rahu/Mars/Rahu.

 

Rahu in her horoscope promisses problems with family in general.

Mars conjunct 8th lord in the 4th house (actually conjunct her

IC!)emphasizes this, and diractly afflicts her home. 4th lord Venus occupies

the 6th, a Dushtana. The dispositor of Venus, the Moon, is conjunct

practically stationary Neptune in the 8th, the worst of the Dushtanas,

square 7th lord (Maraka) the Sun. The other Maraka, 2nd lord Jupiter, sits

debilitated in the 12th and casts aspects on the 4th, 6th and 8th house!

Unpleasant houses were activated in that period.

Mars and Lagnesh Saturn are in mutual aspect. There are also several Yogas

in this chart indicating afflicted health. Benefics in malefic houses and

malefics in benefic houses, afflicted 8th house and 8th lord, afflicted 5th

house and 5th lord, the Moon in the 8th, Mercury, dispositor of both the

Moon and the Sun afflicted by Mars, Mars being the 3rd+8th lord counted from

Chandra Lagna!

 

VARSHAPHALA for 1974 shows debilitated Bhukti-lord Mars in the 1st house(!),

aspecting the 4th, and Jupiter(significator for children) in the 8th. 7th

house as well, ofcourse (spouse)Lagnesh (the Moon) occupies the 6th,

aspected by the Sun (Maraka), 7th+8th lord Saturn + 12th lord Mercury!

 

By the "Sun-Arch-Direction" (in german "Sonnenbogen Direktion") on Dec.3

Mars (conj. radix IC) joined her radix Sun square radix Moon- Neptune

conjunction! Neptune practicaly stationary! That's heavy!

 

Mars conjunct IC in a horoskope promisses afflicted home. Conj. Sun and

squre Moon-Neptune makes it worse.

 

So I think MARS DID IT. Mars wreaked havoc in her life on Dec. 3, 1974. I am

not sure if he hurt only her family, or only her own body, or both. I gues

both. Either a catastrophe happened at home, or in an accident (6th house)on

a short journy (Mars is 3rd lord) involving a car or another mean of

transport(4th house). There is confluence of factors indicating evil to her

mother(4th house afflicted + Moon in the 8th), (father seems to be less

afflicted), perhaps children (Rahu's dispositor is debilitated Jupiter in

the 12th, 5th lord Mercury is afflicted by Mars, maraka the Sun is in the

5th).

If her own body was at stake, organs in the breast (4th house), face, eyes

(Rahu in the 2nd + Mars in Torus, 2nd house of the natural horoscope) and/or

reproductory organs (8th lord Mercury afflicted by Mars) would be my gues.

 

10th lord Mars conj. 5th lord Mecury in the 4th and aspecting the 10th does

indicate succes in career, + transitting Mars, Mercury and the rest of them

were in the 10th, but I don't think that her succes is what we are to expect

on Dec. 3, 1974. If she survived (I gues she did) she probably left

Philipines and became successful abroad (10th lord Mars in mutual aspect

with 12th lord Saturn).

She is a VERY sensitive person, probably psychic, and there are also several

factors indicating that she might be an astrologer.

 

OK. Enough for tonight.

 

Looking forward to feedback!

Regards and love,

Liliana

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>I thought I would throw a totally blind test out first just so you know how

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>What happened on Dec 3 1974?

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[Guest guest]

Dear Chris

 

I made a typo and actually did look at Dec 4, but I will stick with what I

said about loss of spouse or partner through accident involving a vehicle.

 

Andrew

[Guest guest]

Dear Chris,

 

It was Dec 3, not Dec 4. I did look at the right day. My Parasharas light

program will not save this chart for some strange reason. Can you email me

the degree position of my planets in navamsha as I have forgotten how to

calculate them manually. Can one of the more mathematically minded put up

the maths for doing it so I can re-remember it!

 

Andrew

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Hi Chris and list members,

Just want to add something to my previous e-mail.

Since the Moon is so closely conjunct slow Neptune, and Neptune signifies

(among other things) water, also drugs, alcochol, so perhaps one of these

things played a role in this event?

I'll stop here, before my imagination starts constructing scenarios.

Liliana

 

 

 

 

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>Thanks to those who responded to my suggestion. I'll assume an iceberg

>theory of approval here (10% above the water line corresponds to a majority

>of silent but approving lurkers).

>

>I thought I would throw a totally blind test out first just so you know how

>these things work. To my mind, this is a real yardstick for astrology,

>although as I said, it is more difficult than what one usually encounters

>when seeing a real live human being for a reading. OTOH, lots of

>unexpected things can pop up in people's charts that aren't related to

>their life options at any given time, so understanding how to read charts

>blindly really is useful.

>

>Here's the data:

>

>Female born Jul 3 1949 10.05 pm CCT (Tz 8)

>Manila, Philippines 14n25 121e00

>

>Source: birth certificate

>Asc(lahiri): 16Aq48

>residence on birthday prior to event: Manila

>

>

>What happened on Dec 3 1974?

>

>Let's try one week on this one, OK? Answers due by June 11. Please

>include an account of your astrological reasoning.

>

>Have fun!

>

>Chris

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