Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 Hello Members, I guess Chris would like my explanation. So here it is: On Dec 3 1974 she was running the Vimsottari Dasa of Rahu/Mars/Saturn as per 360 days/yr. Using D-1 chart: Rh is with UL or the Upapada Lagna which denotes marriage. Mars is in 3H(Taurus) from UL. The 3H & 8H stands for longevity, from UL they denote longevity in marriage or getting married. Sa aspects both 3(Taurus) & 8(Libra) houses from UL. Using D-9 or Navamsa: Rh is along 1/7 axis. Ma is in trine with UL. Sa is 3H from UL. Using D-1 Narayana Dasa: Cp-Ge was running. Cp has Ju the lord of UL. Ge is aspected by UL. Using D-9 Narayana Dasa: Le-Sg was running. Le is trines with UL. Sg is in trines too. Moreover, both Le & Sg are aspected by Me & Ke the 3 & 8 lords from UL in D-9. Since there is a lot of influence of GL(authority & power) associated with all these dasas, I concluded that it is also a period of fame and/or spouse should be a person of authority or fame. Regards -Narayan gjlist, "Narayan Iyer" <narayaniyer@v...> wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Did she get Married to a famous personality??? > > Regards > -Narayan gjlist, Christopher Kevill <ckevill@i...> wrote: > > Hi All: > > > > Thanks to those who responded to my suggestion. I'll assume an iceberg > > theory of approval here (10% above the water line corresponds to a majority > > of silent but approving lurkers). > > > > I thought I would throw a totally blind test out first just so you know how > > these things work. To my mind, this is a real yardstick for astrology, > > although as I said, it is more difficult than what one usually encounters > > when seeing a real live human being for a reading. OTOH, lots of > > unexpected things can pop up in people's charts that aren't related to > > their life options at any given time, so understanding how to read charts > > blindly really is useful. > > > > Here's the data: > > > > Female born Jul 3 1949 10.05 pm CCT (Tz 8) > > Manila, Philippines 14n25 121e00 > > > > Source: birth certificate > > Asc(lahiri): 16Aq48 > > residence on birthday prior to event: Manila > > > > > > What happened on Dec 3 1974? > > > > Let's try one week on this one, OK? Answers due by June 11. Please > > include an account of your astrological reasoning. > > > > Have fun! > > > > Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 Namaste Narayan, Eventhough I cannot afford some time for the chart reading, there is something that I would like to add on your commentary: > Hello Members, > > I guess Chris would like my explanation. So here it is: > > On Dec 3 1974 she was running the Vimsottari Dasa of Rahu/Mars/Saturn > as per 360 days/yr. > > Using D-1 chart: > > Rh is with UL or the Upapada Lagna which denotes marriage. > > Mars is in 3H(Taurus) from UL. The 3H & 8H stands for longevity, from UL they denote longevity in marriage or getting married. > > Sa aspects both 3(Taurus) & 8(Libra) houses from UL. > RAHU tends to eclipse Sun, which is dharmakarak ruling Marriage, and that is why Sun and Rahu conjunction is baneful for happy and prosperous marriage particularly in navamsa chart. Therefore, rahu in Upapada Lagna is not a sure shot for rahu bringing marriage in its mahadasha. That is why rahu signifies non-traditional marriages, or non-conventional relationships. Do have this in mind. When you say that Mars in 3rd from UL may bring marriage, it is so solely due to its argala over 3rd house since mars is a papa. However, since 3rd and 8th houses from Arudha lagna give death and circumstances of death, 3rd and 8th houses from UL signify death of Spouse. What is more, 8th house from UL stands for second marriage, so do reconsider your statement above. > Using D-9 or Navamsa: > > Rh is along 1/7 axis. > Ma is in trine with UL. > Sa is 3H from UL. > Rahu should be well associated with navamsa lagna to give marriage in its mahadasha. It should be also well placed from Surya. Antardasha lord , in this case Mangal, should be well associated with 7th house in navamsha chart, while pratyantara dasha should be well associated or ruling/placed in 7th house of navamsa chart or its trines. So kindly have in mind, that your argument above is not sufficient You should also keep basic rules in mind, that rahu mahadasha with mars antardasha is often an omen for some unpleasent event, while in certain cases, where both grahas are exceptionally well placed it may give auspicious results, which is quite rare I must admit. Best wishes from Zoran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 Namaste Zoran, > RAHU tends to eclipse Sun, which is dharmakarak ruling Marriage, and > that is why Sun and Rahu conjunction is baneful for happy and prosperous > marriage particularly in navamsa chart. Therefore, > rahu in Upapada Lagna is not a sure shot for rahu bringing marriage in > its mahadasha. That is why rahu signifies non-traditional marriages, or > non-conventional relationships. Do have this in > mind. Rahu is not *always* baneful. It is posited both in Rasi & DharmaAmsa in the brahmanical sign of Pisces. It has argala from Brihaspati too keep him in check. BTW I have seen many charts where Rahu's Mahadasa gives marriage, albeit non-traditional!! >When you say that Mars in 3rd from UL may bring marriage, it is so > solely due to its argala over 3rd house since mars is a papa. My statement is correct. I was referring to the Rasi where UL is in Pi and Mars is posited in Ta the 3H from Pi. > However, > since 3rd and 8th houses from Arudha lagna give > death and circumstances of death, 3rd and 8th houses from UL signify > death of Spouse. What is more, 8th house from UL stands for second > marriage, so do reconsider your statement above. The 3H & 8H stand for longevity. From UL it denotes longevity in marriage, if married. If not, it gives marriage. So if married and divorced then 2nd marriage is seen from 8H from UL. Please read Pt. Narasimha Rao's "Vedic Astrology: An Integrated Approach" BTW only the 3H from AL is seen for the circumstances of death. > > > Using D-9 or Navamsa: > > > > Rh is along 1/7 axis. > > Ma is in trine with UL. > > Sa is 3H from UL. > > > > Rahu should be well associated with navamsa lagna to give marriage > in > its mahadasha. It should be also well placed from Surya. Antardasha lord > , in this case Mangal, should be well associated > with 7th house in navamsha chart, while pratyantara dasha should be well > associated or ruling/placed in 7th house of navamsa chart or its trines. > So kindly have in mind, that your argument above > is not sufficient > You should also keep basic rules in mind, that rahu mahadasha with mars > antardasha is often an omen for some unpleasent event, while in certain > cases, where both grahas are exceptionally well > placed it may give auspicious results, which is quite rare I must admit. What makes you say that Rahu is not well associated with Lagna and with Sun???? I agree that Ma is in 6H and is not good. But since Ke is in 7H. Argalas on 7H should be considered in reverse and Ma has argala on 7H. Moreover from Mo Antaradasa lord Ma is in 2H, giving Vesi yoga(Moon Related Yoga) in its antaradasa. Ma is also the UL lord in Navamsa. Regards -Narayan PS: My guess could be wrong here, but my reasoning is definitely not a stretch of imagination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 Namaste Narayan I am glad that you have clearly understand what you are saying. I still do not receive mails from varahamihira list, and as soon as it gets in line, I will post a word doc with many discussion from previous period, where you will see my points. Until then, please see my comments below: Narayan Iyer wrote: > Namaste Zoran, > > > RAHU tends to eclipse Sun, which is dharmakarak ruling Marriage, and > > that is why Sun and Rahu conjunction is baneful for happy and prosperous > > marriage particularly in navamsa chart. Therefore, > > rahu in Upapada Lagna is not a sure shot for rahu bringing marriage in > > its mahadasha. That is why rahu signifies non-traditional marriages, or > > non-conventional relationships. Do have this in > > mind. > > Rahu is not *always* baneful. It is posited both in Rasi & DharmaAmsa in the brahmanical sign of Pisces. It has argala from Brihaspati too keep him in check. BTW I have seen many charts where Rahu's Mahadasa gives marriage, albeit non-traditional!! > Please see Sanjay's lesson on Marriage and Dharma. You are right about rahu giving marriage, but it is and it will always be the enemy of marriege and dharma, since it still dhi shakti and satya from guru, being debilitated in guru's sign > > > However, > > since 3rd and 8th houses from Arudha lagna give > > death and circumstances of death, 3rd and 8th houses from UL signify > > death of Spouse. What is more, 8th house from UL stands for second > > marriage, so do reconsider your statement above. > > The 3H & 8H stand for longevity. From UL it denotes longevity in marriage, if married. If not, it gives marriage. So if married and divorced then 2nd marriage is seen from 8H from UL. Please read Pt. Narasimha Rao's "Vedic Astrology: An Integrated Approach" > Yes, I agree, but mariage timing is seen from the strongest graha influencing Upapada not from the 3rd/8th thereof. Papas in 8th from Ul will tend to destroy 1st marriage particularly in dual signs. > > BTW only the 3H from AL is seen for the circumstances of death. > Of course. 8th from AL is seen from longevity and chronic illness > > > > > > Using D-9 or Navamsa: > > > > > > Rh is along 1/7 axis. > > > Ma is in trine with UL. > > > Sa is 3H from UL. > > > > > > > Rahu should be well associated with navamsa lagna to give marriage > in > > its mahadasha. It should be also well placed from Surya. Antardasha lord > > , in this case Mangal, should be well associated > > with 7th house in navamsha chart, while pratyantara dasha should be well > > associated or ruling/placed in 7th house of navamsa chart or its trines. > > So kindly have in mind, that your argument above > > is not sufficient > > You should also keep basic rules in mind, that rahu mahadasha with mars > > antardasha is often an omen for some unpleasent event, while in certain > > cases, where both grahas are exceptionally well > > placed it may give auspicious results, which is quite rare I must admit. > > What makes you say that Rahu is not well associated with Lagna and with Sun???? > Rahu and Sun are never well associated for marriage. Refer to Marriage and dharma lesson of Sanjay. Further there is Parivarthana of Rahu and Guru in the Navamsa lagna if it is correct(but let's keep it this way for the sake of illustration). Parivarthana would reverse results, so rahu would act as guru. This adds a new dimension to Rahu in lagna navamsa. What is more, rahu being in 12th house from UL not obstructing the papa argala on UL in navamsa chart would in no way by itself be favourable for marriage.However, due to Parivarthana it may trasnfer guru signficiations what is different. This situation in navamsa chart, would add foreign influences to marriage, and give a spouse who has already been married before. However, THIS NAVAMSH indicates SPIRITUAL spouse, is it so? > > I agree that Ma is in 6H and is not good. But since Ke is in 7H. Argalas on 7H should be considered in reverse and Ma has argala on 7H. > You should count ketu's argala backwords, indeed. It means that ketu has argala over 8th house, while mangal still has no argala over ketu. Start counting from ketu not from mangal. > > Moreover from Mo Antaradasa lord Ma is in 2H, giving Vesi yoga(Moon Related Yoga) in its antaradasa. > > Ma is also the UL lord in Navamsa. > These points are valid. But what would Vesi Yoga has to do with marriage. They are primarily yogas that prevent Kemadruma Yoga. Do exaplain please. > > Regards > -Narayan > PS: My guess could be wrong here, but my reasoning is definitely not a stretch of imagination. My dear Narayan, I've never thought so... You are a good student of Narasimha i keep on.. you will be a good jyotishi.. Jaya Jagannath Zoran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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