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Ilona:

 

Nice to see someone else with an appreciation for MC Jain's little book.

Some enlightening degrees there for sure. I also noticed that the navamsha

chart looks interesting. Asc is 22Sg30 and 7L Mercury is just 2* from

exact conjunction with Neptune -- confusion about wife/sexuality?

 

But you use conception positions too?

 

Chris

 

 

At 04:19 PM 6/8/01 +0200, you wrote:

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>Dear listmembers,

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>Here`s the data of Christine Jorgensen, transsexuell, out of GJ programm.

>You will see the wandering between two "worlds". I would suppose you to take

>also the outer planets and prenatal eclipses into account. Neptune seems to

>play an important role, having been stationary at time of conception.

>30. may 1926 13:45PM zone 5 New York 73W57 40N45

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>Let me cite out of "The Stars and your Future", by MC Jain for her or his

>Ascendant 29.09°LEO ( Houck) .

>30°Leo -Ruler moon: DEGREE OF VOYAGING

>Symbol: A ship`s steward carrying a bowl of enchanting white lilies.

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>Denotes a changable person loving to journey about. He gains much benefit

>from ships, shipping and means of transit and the public. While on a journey

>he meets his greatest happiness. He is generally fortunate with his friends

>and in all affairs of his life...

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>In case of different ayanamsa or birthtime you will perhaps also like to

>know the following degree:

>1°VIRGO-Ruler moon: DEGREE OF REPAYING

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>Symbol: A travelling pilgrim learning on his staff, which he holds in his

>left hand, addressing a small band of men and women.

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>Denotes one whose early life is threatened by the elements and who will be

>compelled to endure sufferings, hardships and trials as atonement for remote

>past acts. If his destiny is to live, his destiny is to overcome; and he

>will be a wise instructor and guide to his fellowmen....

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>Here is also the degree of neptune, cancer 29.27°

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>30° -ruler mercury DEGREE OF CONTINUANCE

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>Symbol: A winged wheel flying across in green field.

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>Denotes one of character and force and skill who by the hand of destiny,

>will rise to a position in this world where he is fitted to play a decided

>part. He has a keen imagination and constructive ability and gains from

>change and movement.

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>Please read also the degrees of the other planets,if you have this book and

>you will be impressed.

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>Regards, Ilona

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Christopher Kevill wrote:

> Ilona:

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> Nice to see someone else with an appreciation for MC Jain's little book.

> Some enlightening degrees there for sure.

 

Dear chris,

Painful situation: I find a great deal of affirmation with Fagan´s ayanamsa! In

my daughter´s case especially. Lahiri would give the next degrees and they do

not fit at all! In some cases neither ayanamsa fits!

 

GAWD HELP US!

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Chris,

no, for the moment I`m only using some remarkable positions of outer planets

and of course prenatal eclipses. But I don`t use a conception chart, because

this time seems to be too impossible to rectify in most of our cases. Outer

planets however are slow enough to be taken into account, you know.

Let me say one word to Fagan, Mani refered to him: also in my chart the

degrees of Fagan ( and of Bhasin) seem to work better with Jain, though the

degrees of Houck seem to work better with transits and events, don`t know

why.

The book of Jain is outstanding, for me it seems to have a higher octave, it

is not from our planet...

regards, Ilona

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