Guest guest Posted July 30, 2001 Report Share Posted July 30, 2001 I cannot answer for the rules, as I think rules fail. But this person will find that in life self identity, and working their way out from under oppressive forces that tried to shape them, probably starting with Mother/Father, will be a big issue in life. First lord debilitated in 4th is rather an immediate warning that Mommy probably didn't like the child so much, or had to control them more than the child liked. Sun debilitated opposite that Saturn means that the person was heavily affected by this patter, and their glow was reduced. 8th lord in the 10th means that the desire to escape by any means is strong. This is my silly opinion. It's probably wrong, which is why I have not chosen to read charts professionally yet. Would be interested to know if these simple points are at all true in any life bearing this placements. Peace out, -- Das Goravani 2852 Willamette St # 353 Eugene OR USA 97405 or Fax: 541-343-0344 "Goravani Jyotish" Vedic/Hindu Astrology Software Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2001 Report Share Posted July 30, 2001 Hmmm...My first lord is debilitated in the 4th (in the worse degree and the worse sign) but it also rules the 8th. Opposite Jup/Sat in Cap in the 10th with Jup and first lord exchanging signs of their fall (opp signs are their exaltation). So I can answer the first part of this....yes...mom wasn't a natural mother. Mom didn't like being a 'mom' and suffered a great deal in her life for many reasons from financial to emotional to just being ahead of her time saddled with very ill children and a very abusive growing up (family abused her all her life verbally etc.). Life of misery, frankly. So actually I didn't get the feel that she didn' 'like' me personally....but I got the feel that she got saddled with the full responsibility when there 'should have' been more help for her if people had more caring in her family. Mom also became an alcoholic and pill pusher (due to extreme back and neck pain, and other medical problems that were chronic) and was abused physically by my adoptive father (as well as myself) which further damaged her bodily. Mom was very spiritual...raised me in Kriya Yoga (SRF) etc. Was into all kinds of explorations (metaphysical) starting in the 60's. >>> 07/30/01 02:53PM >>> I cannot answer for the rules, as I think rules fail. But this person will find that in life self identity, and working their way out from under oppressive forces that tried to shape them, probably starting with Mother/Father, will be a big issue in life. First lord debilitated in 4th is rather an immediate warning that Mommy probably didn't like the child so much, or had to control them more than the child liked. Sun debilitated opposite that Saturn means that the person was heavily affected by this patter, and their glow was reduced. 8th lord in the 10th means that the desire to escape by any means is strong. This is my silly opinion. It's probably wrong, which is why I have not chosen to read charts professionally yet. Would be interested to know if these simple points are at all true in any life bearing this placements. Peace out, -- Das Goravani 2852 Willamette St # 353 Eugene OR USA 97405 or Fax: 541-343-0344 "Goravani Jyotish" Vedic/Hindu Astrology Software gjlist- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2001 Report Share Posted July 30, 2001 Dear list, I am new to the list, and so do not have the birth data. If I may get the birth data, I may be better able to assess the situation and perhaps venture an opinion. Please excuse the timing... Thanks, Don - "Das Goravani" <> <gjlist> Monday, July 30, 2001 2:53 PM Re: [gjlist] Neechabhanga > > > I cannot answer for the rules, as I think rules fail. But this person > will find that in life self identity, and working their way out from > under oppressive forces that tried to shape them, probably starting with > Mother/Father, will be a big issue in life. First lord debilitated in > 4th is rather an immediate warning that Mommy probably didn't like the > child so much, or had to control them more than the child liked. Sun > debilitated opposite that Saturn means that the person was heavily > affected by this patter, and their glow was reduced. 8th lord in the > 10th means that the desire to escape by any means is strong. > > This is my silly opinion. It's probably wrong, which is why I have not > chosen to read charts professionally yet. Would be interested to know if > these simple points are at all true in any life bearing this placements. > > Peace out, > -- > > > Das Goravani > > > > > > > 2852 Willamette St # 353 > Eugene OR USA 97405 > > or > Fax: 541-343-0344 > > "Goravani Jyotish" > Vedic/Hindu Astrology Software > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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