Guest guest Posted August 1, 2001 Report Share Posted August 1, 2001 Patrice: At 04:14 PM 7/31/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hello Dear List, > >A simple question regarding transits: > >Right now Saturn is in Taurus and Mars in Scorpio. Would Saturn's effect on Scorpio be reduced in a chart where Mars is strong, and now transiting its own sign verses where Mars is more weak? Could this bring about Saturn's more beneficial side? That's a good question. I'd like to think so. It's a similar idea as Saturn's transit to the moon (sade sati). If Saturn rules the ascendant, then results aren't so bad. But it's also worth figuring out if Saturn is strong in the horoscope too, besides sign placement. Is it in a good house, is it aspected by benefics? Now you're talking about things on the receiving end of the transit. Again, it's tempting to go down that road, but we have to remember that Saturn's a malefic and Mars and Saturn are enemies. Let's see if we can't find a couple of examples and see what's going on. Bush became governor of Texas when Saturn 11Aq was aspecting Mars 16Le. Mars is 10L in the 2nd house. The orb is pretty wide here and I wouldn't put too much emphasis on it getting him the victory, but it seems relevant. So while Mars isn't that obviously powerful(but it must be powerful only by other means), it was ruling the 10th and since SAturn likes the 10th house, perhaps that might mean that Saturn's energies are well handled by that Mars. On the giving end of the transit, Saturn is in the 1st house natally, and since that's the best house, all planets there are stronger and more likely to produce good results. Clinton won the presidency in 92 when Saturn 18Cp was aspecting Mercury 14 Cn. Mercury was his 10L. This isnt' too surprising for the same reason given above. 10L planets seem to feel more comfortable receiving Saturn's transit because Saturn is a karaka of the 10th house. In Clinton's case, the Saturn transit was perhaps better handled because Mercury was used to Saturn's energy already -- Mercury is conjunct Saturn natally. Mercury is strong here because it has 7 bindus. > >Another thought: > >Would this be different in a chart where Ketu rules Scorpio even though Mars is co-ruler and transiting at present? I'm not sure that would mean that Mars is not necessarily still strong, just that Ketu stronger in Rasi chart. Why would Ketu rule Scorpio? Is this that general BPHS rule about nodal rulerships? Mars still rules Scorpio regardless. Chris > >Namaste, >Patrice > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2001 Report Share Posted August 1, 2001 <<Would Saturn's effect on Scorpio be reduced in a chart where Mars is strong, and now transiting its own sign verses where Mars is more weak? Could this bring about Saturn's more beneficial side? >> I would say so but do not forget the bad effects too. Look at Palestine right now. I read that the british and French encouraged Israel to atack Egypt, long ago, to have the excuse of taking over the Suez canal and in the process they did not tell their friends, the americans. All this brings some indirect reaction to all of them. see as well the rare pattern of Mars in Scorpio this year. Some practical results will come out of the aspect between Saturn ans Mars. Best wishes Natabara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 Dear Chris, Natabara and List, Thank you for your responses to my questions. Checking out your examples was great and very helpful, and keeps the learning flowing with respect to just how many things must be considered each time, individuality of each chart, and then reading such a full picture with all combined. Thanks for all your time and effort in sharing these charts with this perspective. This whole train of thought had me looking at all kinds of charts, particularly where Mars is yoga-karaka, which would be both Leo and Cancer Lagnas. Chris wrote: >>Why would Ketu rule Scorpio? Is this that general BPHS rule about nodal rulerships? Mars still rules Scorpio regardless. Yes, I was referring to the BPHS rule. So, Mars still rules Scorpio, so you are saying then that you would just also 'consider' Ketu always also for the matters regarding the house? I was thinking it was more a true ruling of the house as the node is considered as ruler as far as Aruda determinations and Rasi dasha calculations from what I understand. Thanks for clarifying. While looking through my collection of charts for Mars yoga-karaka, I found another interesting chart which gave me more questions that I'll post following this. This chart, which is actually my niece's chart, however does not have Moon or Sun in Scorpio which was what first prompted my questions about this transit of Saturn in Taurus and Mars in Scorpio, and their effects in a strong Mars chart. Rather she has Moon in Taurus, so Mulatrikona, (Cancer Lagna), but which puts her in sade sati. Thank you, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 Dear Pat, It has been my understanding that although the nodes both ketu and rahu rules three nakshatras each, they do not have house rulership. But like many things controversial in vedic astrology Ketu is considered exalted in Scorpio, and will act like Mars to some degree, and like wise Rahu is considered exalted in Taurus, as Taurus is the most materialistic sign. Respectfully, Don - "Patrice Curry" <patrice.curry <gjlist> Friday, August 03, 2001 11:55 AM Re: [gjlist] Transits > Dear Chris, Natabara and List, > > Thank you for your responses to my questions. > > Checking out your examples was great and very helpful, and keeps the > learning flowing with respect to just how many things must be considered > each time, individuality of each chart, and then reading such a full picture > with all combined. Thanks for all your time and effort in sharing these > charts with this perspective. This whole train of thought had me looking at > all kinds of charts, particularly where Mars is yoga-karaka, which would be > both Leo and Cancer Lagnas. > > Chris wrote: > > >>Why would Ketu rule Scorpio? Is this that general BPHS rule about nodal > rulerships? Mars still rules Scorpio regardless. > > Yes, I was referring to the BPHS rule. So, Mars still rules Scorpio, so you > are saying then that you would just also 'consider' Ketu always also for the > matters regarding the house? I was thinking it was more a true ruling of the > house as the node is considered as ruler as far as Aruda determinations and > Rasi dasha calculations from what I understand. Thanks for clarifying. > > While looking through my collection of charts for Mars yoga-karaka, I found > another interesting chart which gave me more questions that I'll post > following this. This chart, which is actually my niece's chart, however does > not have Moon or Sun in Scorpio which was what first prompted my questions > about this transit of Saturn in Taurus and Mars in Scorpio, and their > effects in a strong Mars chart. Rather she has Moon in Taurus, so > Mulatrikona, (Cancer Lagna), but which puts her in sade sati. > > Thank you, > Patrice > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2001 Report Share Posted August 5, 2001 Dear Don, Thanks for your response to my question on transits. >>>It has been my understanding that although the nodes both ketu and rahu rules three nakshatras each, they do not have house rulership. But like many things controversial in vedic astrology Ketu is considered exalted in Scorpio, and will act like Mars to some degree, and like wise Rahu is considered exalted in Taurus, as Taurus is the most materialistic sign. As you have said above, this is one of the many things controversial in Vedic astrology. I believe that both Ketu and Rahu share rulership with Scorpio and Aquarius, respectively, but appreciative your point of view. This discussion on transits and responses prompted my study and helped fine tune this for me even more so, as well as continuing to learn about the effect of transits. And for me, it is always helpful to hear others views and their experiences in this. Namaste, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2001 Report Share Posted August 5, 2001 Dear Pat, Thank you... I would also agree that Rahu can act well in Aquarius, and also acts in a more psychological manner in the air signs. Mercury also lends an energy to Rahu, that can give the ability of the person, deep psychological insight into the mind. This can be seen in many charts of those connected with the mental health field. Again thanks, for your kind words... Respectfully, Don - "Patrice Curry" <patrice.curry <gjlist> Sunday, August 05, 2001 11:53 AM Re: [gjlist] Transits > Dear Don, > > Thanks for your response to my question on transits. > > >>>It has been my understanding that although the nodes both ketu and rahu > rules three nakshatras each, they do not have house rulership. But like > many things controversial in vedic astrology Ketu is considered exalted in > Scorpio, and will act like Mars to some degree, and like wise Rahu is > considered exalted in Taurus, as Taurus is the most materialistic sign. > > As you have said above, this is one of the many things controversial in > Vedic astrology. I believe that both Ketu and Rahu share rulership with > Scorpio and Aquarius, respectively, but appreciative your point of view. > This discussion on transits and responses prompted my study and helped fine > tune this for me even more so, as well as continuing to learn about the > effect of transits. And for me, it is always helpful to hear others views > and their experiences in this. > > Namaste, > Patrice > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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