Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 Sansay, Have you ever worked with the James Kelleher chart which usea a time of 18:30 giving 8 degrees sag lagna? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 Dear Dave, Namaste - At 01:30 PM 9/15/01 -0400, you wrote: > > Sansay, Have you ever worked with the James Kelleher chart which usea >a time of 18:30 giving 8 degrees sag lagna? Dave This chart works well, as you can see that the 8 d. Sg lagna resulting from this birth time, coincides exactly with the Mars/Ketu conjunction in that degree, which occurred at the time of the attacks last Tuesday. This is one isolated point, but in a graphic way still verifies that 8 d. could be close to the exact lagna. There are some, however, who hold that a new chart should be erected after 120 years (if you are using Vimsottari dasa), as that is the Paramayus, or maximum longevity of the chart using that dasa system. As an experiment, thus, try erecting a chart for exactly 120 yrs. later (1896), and then seeing the Vimsottari dasa against whatever planets exist in that chart. If you want to see the chart and related events against Narayana dasa, you would have to use a chart calculated for 144 years later (1920), as that is the maximum Paramayus of that dasa system. Anyway, I haven't worked with these charts yet, but you may want to try. If we use repetitions of Vimsottari dasa for the original chart, regardless of Paramayus, then we can still see some interesting correspondences: Ketu dasa, for example, running during the 60's period spiritual awakening (Prabhupada came to America then), and social rebellion; Saturn's dasa running during the Great Depression and World War 2 period; and Clinton's impeachment during the Moon/Rahu dasa. Now it would be Moon/Jupiter, with Moon in the 8th from Arudha lagna, and maraka lord Saturn, 12th lord Mars, and 6th lord Venus all influencing Jupiter. These will be tough times for this country, first economically, and now with war. Lets see what happens, and pray..... Best wishes, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk and rkoch rkoch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2001 Report Share Posted September 16, 2001 Om Gurave Namah -------------------------- Dear dave, I originally got this time, but the Navamsa lagna is Gemini with the Lagna Lord in the third house with the Atmakaraka saturn. I don't think the USA could have risen to such a height of destiny with the Atmakaraka i.e. karakamsa in a dusthana. so, tried out the other Navamsa and found Leo to fit in. I was not going to give this 7 PM chart until I had tried out every possibility, but because Narasimha kept on pestering me that I have gave this. Do nopt take this as the final time. We need to work harder, but it gives very good results. Try Lagnamsaka dasa and see for yourself. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - <DaveBirr <gjlist> Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:00 PM [gjlist] US chart rectification > > Sansay, Have you ever worked with the James Kelleher chart which usea > a time of 18:30 giving 8 degrees sag lagna? Dave > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2001 Report Share Posted September 17, 2001 Om Gurave Namah -------------------------- Dear Robert, Have you worked on the option of the various Navamsa's of Dhanus Lagna? I agree with the Rasi chart given by James Kelleher but the Navamsa is very doubtful. I can't really agree to such an ill placed Karakamsa. But, perhaps you have a point there..mercury does join the Karakamsa. I think the two greatest strengths by which the USA became a global leader are 'Coca cola' and Pop Music and not the bombs and guns. This is more likely with the navamsa lagna in Leo with mercury and the Sun (Music) as Lord of Leo navamsa in exaltation. What do you feel? Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - Robert A. Koch <rkoch <gjlist> Sunday, September 16, 2001 2:21 AM Re: [gjlist] US chart rectification > Dear Dave, > > Namaste - > > At 01:30 PM 9/15/01 -0400, you wrote: > > > > Sansay, Have you ever worked with the James Kelleher chart which usea > >a time of 18:30 giving 8 degrees sag lagna? Dave > > This chart works well, as you can see that the 8 d. Sg lagna resulting from > this birth time, coincides exactly with the Mars/Ketu conjunction in that > degree, which occurred at the time of the attacks last Tuesday. This is > one isolated point, but in a graphic way still verifies that 8 d. could be > close to the exact lagna. > > There are some, however, who hold that a new chart should be erected after > 120 years (if you are using Vimsottari dasa), as that is the Paramayus, or > maximum longevity of the chart using that dasa system. As an experiment, > thus, try erecting a chart for exactly 120 yrs. later (1896), and then > seeing the Vimsottari dasa against whatever planets exist in that > chart. If you want to see the chart and related events against Narayana > dasa, you would have to use a chart calculated for 144 years later (1920), > as that is the maximum Paramayus of that dasa system. > > Anyway, I haven't worked with these charts yet, but you may want to > try. If we use repetitions of Vimsottari dasa for the original chart, > regardless of Paramayus, then we can still see some interesting > correspondences: Ketu dasa, for example, running during the 60's period > spiritual awakening (Prabhupada came to America then), and social > rebellion; Saturn's dasa running during the Great Depression and World War > 2 period; and Clinton's impeachment during the Moon/Rahu dasa. Now it > would be Moon/Jupiter, with Moon in the 8th from Arudha lagna, and maraka > lord Saturn, 12th lord Mars, and 6th lord Venus all influencing > Jupiter. These will be tough times for this country, first economically, > and now with war. Lets see what happens, and pray..... > > Best wishes, > Robert > > ===================================== > Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. > Bend, OR. 97701-9037 > Phone: 541-318-0248 > visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail > rk. rk and > rkoch rkoch > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2001 Report Share Posted September 18, 2001 Sanjay Rath wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > -------------------------- > Dear Robert, > > > I think the two greatest strengths by which the USA became a global leader > are 'Coca cola' and Pop Music and not the bombs and guns. This is more > likely with the navamsa lagna in Leo with mercury and the Sun (Music) as > Lord of Leo navamsa in exaltation. What do you feel? Dear Sanjay, This rather "humorous" aspect can be enhanced by adding chewing gum to the list. But on a more earnest note: Till pearl harbour the US was not really interested in being a eader at all, just wanted to be strong and SELF_SUFFICIENT! At that time even the attitude to Bolshevik russia was very friendly, the US was the first nation to recognize the communist regime and exchange diplomatic relations. But the end of World War II left things in a very different shape. The Soviet ally had to satisfied and a good bit of the earth was conceded to them. But the soviets started expanding further by creating subversive groups in various countries, which overthrew their regimes with violence and established communism. The Soviet empire reached enormous proportions. Now communism was a real threat to the US and from then on they had only one aim: stopping the march of communism. That is what made them start "policing" the world and interfering everywhere, with the motto "Support any regime, good or bad, as long as communists don´t get into power." Another possible cause: real or false fear of attack from extra-terrestrials. The UFO sightings definitely contributed to "excessive" armament - at that time it was not politically necssary. But this huge arsenal automatically made the US the strongest power. So the root cause of US leadership should be seen in connection with the 12th house: secret enemies. The strength was a reaction to fear and threat. "Uneasy lies the head of a king!" said shakespeare. Also anyone who plays chess knows that the queen, being the strongest piece, is the most vulnerable. But the reverse is also a factor: fear makes you strive to be strong. So the 12th house must be getting some "good" aspects to give this strength. Or the rulers of the 12th must be having good aspects on the 10th (?). My 2 cents. regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2001 Report Share Posted September 18, 2001 Hi! Alexander Marr, a highly reputed western astrologer - and I knew him personally, a great guy! - working only by western methods such as directions, progressions and returns arrived at : july 4. 1776 at Philadelphia 7h 43m 40s UT (GMT). This makes it (about) 2:00 am local time. This is not impossible, for political discussions etc. did and do happen at night. The British parliament often meets at night and decisions are made! I found marr´s work pretty accurate and his predictions were good. I wish some of you will test this birthtime. regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2001 Report Share Posted September 18, 2001 Dear Sanjay Rath, Das Gorovani, and list, Greetings from a lurker, and thank you all for making your discussions available to a beginner such as I. Sanjay, I'm concerned that you will draw untenable conclusions from your brief characterization of the USA's global leadership as coming from coca cola and pop music. The US became a global leader in the aftermath of WWII because the other countries which had been powerful were in shambles. Our industrial base was intact. We sold to Europe and parts of Asia the wherewithal to rebuild their factories and repair or rebuild their infrastructure. They had the money to buy our products because we primed the pump, so to speak, by giving them the money initially. In the '60s, US businesses became concerned that Europe and Japan now had newer, more efficient factories (that we'd helped them build) than the US, so to remain competetive, US business emphasized research and innovation, constantly retooling to keep up. As the global economy grew, more and smaller US businesses began to export. Today we export around $782 billion in goods annually, and a smaller amount in services. This includes agricultural products and raw materials as well as manufactured goods. And the manufactured goods include such things as aircraft, computer equipment, machines and tools for factories, automobiles, trucks and automotive parts, medical equipment, pharmaceuticals, building materials, etc. In some cases we both export and import goods within certain product categories. Additionally, over the last 55 years, we've donated billions of dollars in aid worldwide as well. Some of the aid required the recipient to buy US goods, but most did NOT come with these strings attached. Finally, I don't think you can ignore the role of the US military might in maintaining US leadership. Although it hasn't always been used wisely, it seems to have prevented local wars from becoming global conflicts, and assured the US that other countries would take the US viewpoint into consideration. Aside from the intimidation factor of the US military, I think there is some kind of positive global leadership as well, since the US is often asked to mediate and negotiate peace in local conflicts which don't directly involve the US. So there are many factors which contribute to US global leadership, which I think are difficult to distill into a simple characterization such as "entertainment." Also note that Canada and Latin America were former colonies, like the USA, which were not devasted by WWII, so why didn't they become strong also? Possibly their industrial base was not as developed as the USA's by WWII because they didn't have as many raw materials as the US. But also their political systems, especially in the case of Latin America, did not favor economic development. FWIW, I have Virgo rising. Lurker gjlist, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@v...> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > -------------------------- <snip> > I think the two greatest strengths by which the USA leader > became a global are 'Coca cola' and Pop Music and not guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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