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Dear Dave,

 

Namaste -

 

At 01:30 PM 9/15/01 -0400, you wrote:

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> Sansay, Have you ever worked with the James Kelleher chart which usea

>a time of 18:30 giving 8 degrees sag lagna? Dave

 

This chart works well, as you can see that the 8 d. Sg lagna resulting from

this birth time, coincides exactly with the Mars/Ketu conjunction in that

degree, which occurred at the time of the attacks last Tuesday. This is

one isolated point, but in a graphic way still verifies that 8 d. could be

close to the exact lagna.

 

There are some, however, who hold that a new chart should be erected after

120 years (if you are using Vimsottari dasa), as that is the Paramayus, or

maximum longevity of the chart using that dasa system. As an experiment,

thus, try erecting a chart for exactly 120 yrs. later (1896), and then

seeing the Vimsottari dasa against whatever planets exist in that

chart. If you want to see the chart and related events against Narayana

dasa, you would have to use a chart calculated for 144 years later (1920),

as that is the maximum Paramayus of that dasa system.

 

Anyway, I haven't worked with these charts yet, but you may want to

try. If we use repetitions of Vimsottari dasa for the original chart,

regardless of Paramayus, then we can still see some interesting

correspondences: Ketu dasa, for example, running during the 60's period

spiritual awakening (Prabhupada came to America then), and social

rebellion; Saturn's dasa running during the Great Depression and World War

2 period; and Clinton's impeachment during the Moon/Rahu dasa. Now it

would be Moon/Jupiter, with Moon in the 8th from Arudha lagna, and maraka

lord Saturn, 12th lord Mars, and 6th lord Venus all influencing

Jupiter. These will be tough times for this country, first economically,

and now with war. Lets see what happens, and pray.....

 

Best wishes,

Robert

 

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Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

Bend, OR. 97701-9037

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

rk. rk and

rkoch rkoch

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Om Gurave Namah

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Dear dave,

I originally got this time, but the Navamsa lagna is Gemini with the Lagna

Lord in the third house with the Atmakaraka saturn. I don't think the USA

could have risen to such a height of destiny with the Atmakaraka i.e.

karakamsa in a dusthana. so, tried out the other Navamsa and found Leo to

fit in.

I was not going to give this 7 PM chart until I had tried out every

possibility, but because Narasimha kept on pestering me that I have gave

this. Do nopt take this as the final time. We need to work harder, but it

gives very good results. Try Lagnamsaka dasa and see for yourself.

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

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<DaveBirr

<gjlist>

Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:00 PM

[gjlist] US chart rectification

 

 

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Om Gurave Namah

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Dear Robert,

 

Have you worked on the option of the various Navamsa's of Dhanus Lagna? I

agree with the Rasi chart given by James Kelleher but the Navamsa is very

doubtful. I can't really agree to such an ill placed Karakamsa. But, perhaps

you have a point there..mercury does join the Karakamsa.

 

I think the two greatest strengths by which the USA became a global leader

are 'Coca cola' and Pop Music and not the bombs and guns. This is more

likely with the navamsa lagna in Leo with mercury and the Sun (Music) as

Lord of Leo navamsa in exaltation. What do you feel?

 

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

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Robert A. Koch <rkoch

<gjlist>

Sunday, September 16, 2001 2:21 AM

Re: [gjlist] US chart rectification

 

 

> Dear Dave,

>

> Namaste -

>

> At 01:30 PM 9/15/01 -0400, you wrote:

> >

> > Sansay, Have you ever worked with the James Kelleher chart which

usea

> >a time of 18:30 giving 8 degrees sag lagna? Dave

>

> This chart works well, as you can see that the 8 d. Sg lagna resulting

from

> this birth time, coincides exactly with the Mars/Ketu conjunction in that

> degree, which occurred at the time of the attacks last Tuesday. This is

> one isolated point, but in a graphic way still verifies that 8 d. could be

> close to the exact lagna.

>

> There are some, however, who hold that a new chart should be erected after

> 120 years (if you are using Vimsottari dasa), as that is the Paramayus, or

> maximum longevity of the chart using that dasa system. As an experiment,

> thus, try erecting a chart for exactly 120 yrs. later (1896), and then

> seeing the Vimsottari dasa against whatever planets exist in that

> chart. If you want to see the chart and related events against Narayana

> dasa, you would have to use a chart calculated for 144 years later (1920),

> as that is the maximum Paramayus of that dasa system.

>

> Anyway, I haven't worked with these charts yet, but you may want to

> try. If we use repetitions of Vimsottari dasa for the original chart,

> regardless of Paramayus, then we can still see some interesting

> correspondences: Ketu dasa, for example, running during the 60's period

> spiritual awakening (Prabhupada came to America then), and social

> rebellion; Saturn's dasa running during the Great Depression and World War

> 2 period; and Clinton's impeachment during the Moon/Rahu dasa. Now it

> would be Moon/Jupiter, with Moon in the 8th from Arudha lagna, and maraka

> lord Saturn, 12th lord Mars, and 6th lord Venus all influencing

> Jupiter. These will be tough times for this country, first economically,

> and now with war. Lets see what happens, and pray.....

>

> Best wishes,

> Robert

>

> =====================================

> Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

> 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

> Bend, OR. 97701-9037

> Phone: 541-318-0248

> visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

> rk. rk and

> rkoch rkoch

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> gjlist-

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> Your use of is subject to

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Sanjay Rath wrote:

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> Om Gurave Namah

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> Dear Robert,

>

>

> I think the two greatest strengths by which the USA became a global leader

> are 'Coca cola' and Pop Music and not the bombs and guns. This is more

> likely with the navamsa lagna in Leo with mercury and the Sun (Music) as

> Lord of Leo navamsa in exaltation. What do you feel?

 

Dear Sanjay,

 

This rather "humorous" aspect can be enhanced by adding chewing gum to the list.

 

But on a more earnest note:

 

Till pearl harbour the US was not really interested in being a eader at all,

just wanted to be strong and SELF_SUFFICIENT! At that time even the attitude to

Bolshevik russia was very friendly, the US was the first nation to recognize the

communist regime and exchange diplomatic relations. But the end of World War II

left things in a very different shape. The Soviet ally had to satisfied and a

good bit of the earth was conceded to them. But the soviets started expanding

further by creating subversive groups in various countries, which overthrew

their regimes with violence and established communism. The Soviet empire reached

enormous proportions.

 

Now communism was a real threat to the US and from then on they had only one

aim: stopping the march of communism. That is what made them start "policing"

the world and interfering everywhere, with the motto "Support any regime, good

or bad, as long as communists don´t get into power."

 

Another possible cause: real or false fear of attack from extra-terrestrials.

The UFO sightings definitely contributed to "excessive" armament - at that time

it was not politically necssary. But this huge arsenal automatically made the US

the strongest power.

 

So the root cause of US leadership should be seen in connection with the 12th

house: secret enemies. The strength was a reaction to fear and threat.

 

"Uneasy lies the head of a king!" said shakespeare. Also anyone who plays chess

knows that the queen, being the strongest piece, is the most vulnerable. But the

reverse is also a factor: fear makes you strive to be strong.

 

So the 12th house must be getting some "good" aspects to give this strength. Or

the rulers of the 12th must be having good aspects on the 10th (?).

 

 

My 2 cents.

 

regards

Mani

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Hi!

 

Alexander Marr, a highly reputed western astrologer - and I knew him personally,

a great guy! - working only by western methods such as directions, progressions

and returns arrived at : july 4. 1776 at Philadelphia 7h 43m 40s UT (GMT).

 

This makes it (about) 2:00 am local time. This is not impossible, for political

discussions etc. did and do happen at night. The British parliament often meets

at night and decisions are made!

 

I found marr´s work pretty accurate and his predictions were good. I wish some

of you will test this birthtime.

 

regards

Mani

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Dear Sanjay Rath, Das Gorovani, and list,

 

Greetings from a lurker, and thank you all for making your

discussions available to a beginner such as I.

 

Sanjay, I'm concerned that you will draw untenable conclusions from

your brief characterization of the USA's global leadership as coming

from coca cola and pop music. The US became a global leader in the

aftermath of WWII because the other countries which had been powerful

were in shambles. Our industrial base was intact. We sold to Europe

and parts of Asia the wherewithal to rebuild their factories and

repair or rebuild their infrastructure. They had the money to buy

our products because we primed the pump, so to speak, by giving them

the money initially. In the '60s, US businesses became concerned

that Europe and Japan now had newer, more efficient factories (that

we'd helped them build) than the US, so to remain competetive, US

business emphasized research and innovation, constantly retooling to

keep up. As the global economy grew, more and smaller US businesses

began to export. Today we export around $782 billion in goods

annually, and a smaller amount in services. This includes

agricultural products and raw materials as well as manufactured

goods. And the manufactured goods include such things as aircraft,

computer equipment, machines and tools for factories, automobiles,

trucks and automotive parts, medical equipment, pharmaceuticals,

building materials, etc. In some cases we both export and import

goods within certain product categories. Additionally, over the last

55 years, we've donated billions of dollars in aid worldwide as

well. Some of the aid required the recipient to buy US goods, but

most did NOT come with these strings attached. Finally, I don't

think you can ignore the role of the US military might in maintaining

US leadership. Although it hasn't always been used wisely, it seems

to have prevented local wars from becoming global conflicts, and

assured the US that other countries would take the US viewpoint into

consideration. Aside from the intimidation factor of the US

military, I think there is some kind of positive global leadership as

well, since the US is often asked to mediate and negotiate peace in

local conflicts which don't directly involve the US. So there are

many factors which contribute to US global leadership, which I think

are difficult to distill into a simple characterization such

as "entertainment."

 

Also note that Canada and Latin America were former colonies, like

the USA, which were not devasted by WWII, so why didn't they become

strong also? Possibly their industrial base was not as developed as

the USA's by WWII because they didn't have as many raw materials as

the US. But also their political systems, especially in the case of

Latin America, did not favor economic development.

 

FWIW, I have Virgo rising.

 

Lurker

 

 

gjlist, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@v...> wrote:

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> Om Gurave Namah

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> I think the two greatest strengths by which the USA leader

> became a global are 'Coca cola' and Pop Music and not guns

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