Guest guest Posted September 17, 2001 Report Share Posted September 17, 2001 Looking for the time of dedication of the WTC, I reviewed the New York Times on microfilm for the report of the ceremonies of April 4, 1973. They were detailed at length for a full page, with everything but the time. Amazing! But the dedication was attended by 4500 (!) invited dignitaries seated in the vast lobby. It extended all day, while people were given tours of the building. I would deduce from this that the ceremony was likely held in the morning (I proposed 10 am, someone else had 11 am), and lunch and the tours would be more likely after the building was declared open. Also, Eric Darton's Divided We Stand history of the WTC is nowhere to be found and on 6 weeks delivery from Amazon.com. I suspect the publisher is rushing into a second run, knowing there will be huge demand. Interestingly - I did find a short and very abstract 1996 novel called "Free City" written by this same Eric Darton, a professor at New York's Hunter College. I was astonished to find the last lines of his opening paragraph reading: "My progressed Mars opposes my natal Saturn and the Dragon's Tail is transiting, yet my work proceeds unhindered." How astounding! - especially the Mars-Ketu relationship, so central to the Attack! Like Illona, I spent a day in the university library looking at other books on the WTC. Groundbreaking was confirmed as August 5, 1966 (I think we knew that already) It was jackhammers, no ceremony, thus probably 8 or 9 am. The agreement with the City to build it was signed on August 3, 1966. What is the chart of a building- is it groundbreaking, plans, dedication, move-in? What is appropriate? Julia - <HellmannC200 <gjlist> Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:15 PM Re: [gjlist] Trade Center > Dear Julia, dear list, > thank you very much for this data, Julia. I am working with gemini AC too. > Yesterday I went to several libraries here and spent much time to look in > all the available books about New York and about skyscrapers. What I found > were many different dates between 1970 and 1999!? No exact date. Only the > weight of iron, glass and so on, they used for the building was mentioned in > every book. > So I would be glad if someone of you would know anything about this book, > Julia mentioned in her letter and could give me some more data and > information. Start of planning,start of construction. Perhaps they had a > competition for architects before? All these data would be very important > for me. Thank you in advance, Ilona > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2001 Report Share Posted September 18, 2001 Thank you again, Julia for your kind help. All these charts will show us different aspects about the building, the people having their working place here, the tourists, the town, the USA. If you take groundbreaking for example, (I took 10:00AM , Houck ayanamsha), the AC will be exactly on the same degree as in Houcks USA horoscope ( Houck ayanamsha), in virgo. So this chart reflects also the USA. Mars is on 23°39 gemini! Have you seen the MC just in time of the attack? 23°08 gemini! Saturn in the USA chart on 23°53 virgo thus aspects the 10th house also in the WTC chart. Pluto and uranus are closely conjoint in the 12th and show this sudden and violent attack and the impossibility to escape. Transt sun is here in own sign on sept 11th, burning the prisoners! The WTC moon is on 4°44 pisces and on catastrophic day the transit moon forms an exact quadrant in 4°01 gemini. By the way: the arabic point of death for the WTC groundbreaking chart forms an exact quinqunx with rasi moon in 4°09 libra: death due lack of balance! Under various basics in the GJ program you will find the following for this WTC moon: "The destructive fire at the end of the world". If you make the agreement chart from aug. 3rd 1966, I took 10:00AM, you will find the same expression but now it is for the AC in 4° virgo. Just read the other expressions, they are interesting. So far, for today, you will find many other points too, best wishes, Ilona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2001 Report Share Posted September 18, 2001 This is fascinating, Ilona, thank you so much. Julia - <HellmannC200 "Das Raghu Goravani" <gjlist> Tuesday, September 18, 2001 6:45 AM [gjlist] Trade Center Thank you again, Julia for your kind help. All these charts will show us different aspects about the building, the people having their working place here, the tourists, the town, the USA. If you take groundbreaking for example, (I took 10:00AM , Houck ayanamsha), the AC will be exactly on the same degree as in Houcks USA horoscope ( Houck ayanamsha), in virgo. So this chart reflects also the USA. Mars is on 23°39 gemini! Have you seen the MC just in time of the attack? 23°08 gemini! Saturn in the USA chart on 23°53 virgo thus aspects the 10th house also in the WTC chart. Pluto and uranus are closely conjoint in the 12th and show this sudden and violent attack and the impossibility to escape. Transt sun is here in own sign on sept 11th, burning the prisoners! The WTC moon is on 4°44 pisces and on catastrophic day the transit moon forms an exact quadrant in 4°01 gemini. By the way: the arabic point of death for the WTC groundbreaking chart forms an exact quinqunx with rasi moon in 4°09 libra: death due lack of balance! Under various basics in the GJ program you will find the following for this WTC moon: "The destructive fire at the end of the world". If you make the agreement chart from aug. 3rd 1966, I took 10:00AM, you will find the same expression but now it is for the AC in 4° virgo. Just read the other expressions, they are interesting. So far, for today, you will find many other points too, best wishes, Ilona gjlist- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2001 Report Share Posted September 18, 2001 Dear Julia - I'm from NY and the specs from the WTC construction was listed in the local newspaper. Construction started on August 5, 1966 - ? First tenants in the building - Dec 16, 1970 - ? Official Ribbon Ceremony - April 4, 1973 - 12 noon Bombed on Feb 26, 1993 - 12:18pm Final Collapse on Sept 11, 2001 - 8:45am Hope this helps - Donna > Looking for the time of dedication of the WTC, I reviewed the New York Times > on microfilm for the report of the ceremonies of April 4, 1973. They were > detailed at length for a full page, with everything but the time. Amazing! > But the dedication was attended by 4500 (!) invited dignitaries seated in > the vast lobby. It extended all day, while people were given tours of the > building. I would deduce from this that the ceremony was likely held in the > morning (I proposed 10 am, someone else had 11 am), and lunch and the tours > would be more likely after the building was declared open. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2001 Report Share Posted September 18, 2001 Yes, thank you so much. Now we have the time of the dedication we can use for the "birth" of the building. Julia - <DQuinn12 <gjlist> Tuesday, September 18, 2001 2:08 PM Re: [gjlist] Trade Center > Dear Julia - > > I'm from NY and the specs from the WTC construction was listed in the local > newspaper. > > Construction started on August 5, 1966 - ? > First tenants in the building - Dec 16, 1970 - ? > Official Ribbon Ceremony - April 4, 1973 - 12 noon > Bombed on Feb 26, 1993 - 12:18pm > Final Collapse on Sept 11, 2001 - 8:45am > > Hope this helps - > Donna > > > > Looking for the time of dedication of the WTC, I reviewed the New York Times > > on microfilm for the report of the ceremonies of April 4, 1973. They were > > detailed at length for a full page, with everything but the time. Amazing! > > But the dedication was attended by 4500 (!) invited dignitaries seated in > > the vast lobby. It extended all day, while people were given tours of the > > building. I would deduce from this that the ceremony was likely held in the > > morning (I proposed 10 am, someone else had 11 am), and lunch and the tours > > would be more likely after the building was declared open. > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2001 Report Share Posted September 19, 2001 Nimda is a virus on the web. My entire workplace 'caught' this email worm virus Wednesday. We have lost an entire day's work and probably will lose more hours Thursday, cleaning our computers of this self-replicating annoyance. (Go to symantec.com or mcafee.com fo more information.) Best wishes, Carol In a message dated 9/20/01 12:54:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, juliaswanson1 writes: > Dear Manoj, > > <<<Nimda effect may be. But strikes wont start before 04.57 hrs IST on > 22-9-2001>>> > > But that is round the corner. Do you mean military strikes? > > What is Nimda? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2001 Report Share Posted September 19, 2001 Dear Manoj, <<<Nimda effect may be. But strikes wont start before 04.57 hrs IST on 22-9-2001>>> But that is round the corner. Do you mean military strikes? What is Nimda? Julia - "Manoj Pathak" <manojpathak <gjlist> Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:36 AM Re: [gjlist] Trade Center > Hello Julia, > > Thanks very much. You must be surprised as to why am I thanking you and what > for ? I am thanking you for reaffirming that the list is alive and working > as since y'day afternoon I was getting no mails from the group. I was > surprised too. What has happened ? The strikes have not started as yet. > Nimda effect may be. But strikes wont start before 04.57 hrs IST on > 22-9-2001. > > The list has totally dried up these days after an hectic participation. > > Manoj > > > >"Julia Swanson" <juliaswanson1 > >gjlist > ><gjlist> > >Re: [gjlist] Trade Center > >Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:30:12 -0400 > > > >Yes, thank you so much. Now we have the time of the dedication we can use > >for the "birth" of the building. > > > >Julia > > > >- > ><DQuinn12 > ><gjlist> > >Tuesday, September 18, 2001 2:08 PM > >Re: [gjlist] Trade Center > > > > > > > Dear Julia - > > > > > > I'm from NY and the specs from the WTC construction was listed in the > >local > > > newspaper. > > > > > > Construction started on August 5, 1966 - ? > > > First tenants in the building - Dec 16, 1970 - ? > > > Official Ribbon Ceremony - April 4, 1973 - 12 noon > > > Bombed on Feb 26, 1993 - 12:18pm > > > Final Collapse on Sept 11, 2001 - 8:45am > > > > > > Hope this helps - > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > Looking for the time of dedication of the WTC, I reviewed the New York > >Times > > > > on microfilm for the report of the ceremonies of April 4, 1973. They > >were > > > > detailed at length for a full page, with everything but the time. > >Amazing! > > > > But the dedication was attended by 4500 (!) invited dignitaries seated > >in > > > > the vast lobby. It extended all day, while people were given tours of > >the > > > > building. I would deduce from this that the ceremony was likely held > >in > >the > > > > morning (I proposed 10 am, someone else had 11 am), and lunch and the > >tours > > > > would be more likely after the building was declared open. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > _______________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2001 Report Share Posted September 19, 2001 Hello Julia, Thanks very much. You must be surprised as to why am I thanking you and what for ? I am thanking you for reaffirming that the list is alive and working as since y'day afternoon I was getting no mails from the group. I was surprised too. What has happened ? The strikes have not started as yet. Nimda effect may be. But strikes wont start before 04.57 hrs IST on 22-9-2001. The list has totally dried up these days after an hectic participation. Manoj >"Julia Swanson" <juliaswanson1 >gjlist ><gjlist> >Re: [gjlist] Trade Center >Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:30:12 -0400 > >Yes, thank you so much. Now we have the time of the dedication we can use >for the "birth" of the building. > >Julia > >- ><DQuinn12 ><gjlist> >Tuesday, September 18, 2001 2:08 PM >Re: [gjlist] Trade Center > > > > Dear Julia - > > > > I'm from NY and the specs from the WTC construction was listed in the >local > > newspaper. > > > > Construction started on August 5, 1966 - ? > > First tenants in the building - Dec 16, 1970 - ? > > Official Ribbon Ceremony - April 4, 1973 - 12 noon > > Bombed on Feb 26, 1993 - 12:18pm > > Final Collapse on Sept 11, 2001 - 8:45am > > > > Hope this helps - > > Donna > > > > > > > Looking for the time of dedication of the WTC, I reviewed the New York >Times > > > on microfilm for the report of the ceremonies of April 4, 1973. They >were > > > detailed at length for a full page, with everything but the time. >Amazing! > > > But the dedication was attended by 4500 (!) invited dignitaries seated >in > > > the vast lobby. It extended all day, while people were given tours of >the > > > building. I would deduce from this that the ceremony was likely held >in >the > > > morning (I proposed 10 am, someone else had 11 am), and lunch and the >tours > > > would be more likely after the building was declared open. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2001 Report Share Posted September 20, 2001 Dear Julia, Nimda is a virus which affects websites and email. Regards, G Kumar Vedic Astrology & Yoga Expert Editor, the Z Files & CEO, www.zodiaccomputers.com Free Ezine, the Z Files To zodiac20?subject= Ebooks by G Kumar Free EBook on Astronumerology !-- click link line below: -- email to zodiac20?subject=NumerologyEbook Ebook on the First 9 Vedic Astrology Lessons! click link line below: -- zodiac20?subject=VAEbook Ebook on the Secrets of Pranic Therapy ! click link line below: -- zodiac20?subject=PranicTherapy Ebook on the Fourfold Yoga! click link line below: -- zodiac20?subject=FourfoldYoga Ebook on Viral Marketing Click link line below zodiac20?subject=ViralMarketing Ebook on Astro Therapy Click link line below zodiac20?subject=AstroTherapy Do You Zodiac? Get your Free Astro-Reports from www.zodiaccomputers.com - Julia Swanson <juliaswanson1 <gjlist> Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:35 AM Re: [gjlist] Trade Center > Dear Manoj, > > <<<Nimda effect may be. But strikes wont start before 04.57 hrs IST on > 22-9-2001>>> > > But that is round the corner. Do you mean military strikes? > > What is Nimda? > > Julia > > - > "Manoj Pathak" <manojpathak > <gjlist> > Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:36 AM > Re: [gjlist] Trade Center > > > > Hello Julia, > > > > Thanks very much. You must be surprised as to why am I thanking you and > what > > for ? I am thanking you for reaffirming that the list is alive and working > > as since y'day afternoon I was getting no mails from the group. I was > > surprised too. What has happened ? The strikes have not started as yet. > > Nimda effect may be. But strikes wont start before 04.57 hrs IST on > > 22-9-2001. > > > > The list has totally dried up these days after an hectic participation. > > > > Manoj > > > > > > >"Julia Swanson" <juliaswanson1 > > >gjlist > > ><gjlist> > > >Re: [gjlist] Trade Center > > >Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:30:12 -0400 > > > > > >Yes, thank you so much. Now we have the time of the dedication we can > use > > >for the "birth" of the building. > > > > > >Julia > > > > > >- > > ><DQuinn12 > > ><gjlist> > > >Tuesday, September 18, 2001 2:08 PM > > >Re: [gjlist] Trade Center > > > > > > > > > > Dear Julia - > > > > > > > > I'm from NY and the specs from the WTC construction was listed in > the > > >local > > > > newspaper. > > > > > > > > Construction started on August 5, 1966 - ? > > > > First tenants in the building - Dec 16, 1970 - ? > > > > Official Ribbon Ceremony - April 4, 1973 - 12 noon > > > > Bombed on Feb 26, 1993 - 12:18pm > > > > Final Collapse on Sept 11, 2001 - 8:45am > > > > > > > > Hope this helps - > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for the time of dedication of the WTC, I reviewed the New > York > > >Times > > > > > on microfilm for the report of the ceremonies of April 4, 1973. > They > > >were > > > > > detailed at length for a full page, with everything but the time. > > >Amazing! > > > > > But the dedication was attended by 4500 (!) invited dignitaries > seated > > >in > > > > > the vast lobby. It extended all day, while people were given tours > of > > >the > > > > > building. I would deduce from this that the ceremony was likely > held > > >in > > >the > > > > > morning (I proposed 10 am, someone else had 11 am), and lunch and > the > > >tours > > > > > would be more likely after the building was declared open. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2001 Report Share Posted September 20, 2001 Does it also affect the tone and content of those e-mails? :.) (joke) Julia - "Zodiac Astrology" <zodiac <gjlist> Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:58 AM Re: [gjlist] Trade Center > Dear Julia, > > Nimda is a virus which affects websites and email. > > Regards, > > G Kumar > Vedic Astrology & Yoga Expert > Editor, the Z Files & CEO, > www.zodiaccomputers.com > > Free Ezine, the Z Files > To zodiac20?subject= > > Ebooks by G Kumar > > Free EBook on Astronumerology !-- click link line below: -- > email to zodiac20?subject=NumerologyEbook > > Ebook on the First 9 Vedic Astrology Lessons! click link line below: -- > zodiac20?subject=VAEbook > > Ebook on the Secrets of Pranic Therapy ! click link line below: -- > zodiac20?subject=PranicTherapy > > Ebook on the Fourfold Yoga! click link line below: -- > zodiac20?subject=FourfoldYoga > > Ebook on Viral Marketing Click link line below > zodiac20?subject=ViralMarketing > > Ebook on Astro Therapy Click link line below > zodiac20?subject=AstroTherapy > > Do You Zodiac? Get your Free Astro-Reports from www.zodiaccomputers.com > > > - > Julia Swanson <juliaswanson1 > <gjlist> > Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:35 AM > Re: [gjlist] Trade Center > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > <<<Nimda effect may be. But strikes wont start before 04.57 hrs IST on > > 22-9-2001>>> > > > > But that is round the corner. Do you mean military strikes? > > > > What is Nimda? > > > > Julia > > > > - > > "Manoj Pathak" <manojpathak > > <gjlist> > > Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:36 AM > > Re: [gjlist] Trade Center > > > > > > > Hello Julia, > > > > > > Thanks very much. You must be surprised as to why am I thanking you and > > what > > > for ? I am thanking you for reaffirming that the list is alive and > working > > > as since y'day afternoon I was getting no mails from the group. I was > > > surprised too. What has happened ? The strikes have not started as yet. > > > Nimda effect may be. But strikes wont start before 04.57 hrs IST on > > > 22-9-2001. > > > > > > The list has totally dried up these days after an hectic participation. > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > >"Julia Swanson" <juliaswanson1 > > > >gjlist > > > ><gjlist> > > > >Re: [gjlist] Trade Center > > > >Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:30:12 -0400 > > > > > > > >Yes, thank you so much. Now we have the time of the dedication we can > > use > > > >for the "birth" of the building. > > > > > > > >Julia > > > > > > > >- > > > ><DQuinn12 > > > ><gjlist> > > > >Tuesday, September 18, 2001 2:08 PM > > > >Re: [gjlist] Trade Center > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Julia - > > > > > > > > > > I'm from NY and the specs from the WTC construction was listed in > > the > > > >local > > > > > newspaper. > > > > > > > > > > Construction started on August 5, 1966 - ? > > > > > First tenants in the building - Dec 16, 1970 - ? > > > > > Official Ribbon Ceremony - April 4, 1973 - 12 noon > > > > > Bombed on Feb 26, 1993 - 12:18pm > > > > > Final Collapse on Sept 11, 2001 - 8:45am > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps - > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for the time of dedication of the WTC, I reviewed the New > > York > > > >Times > > > > > > on microfilm for the report of the ceremonies of April 4, 1973. > > They > > > >were > > > > > > detailed at length for a full page, with everything but the time. > > > >Amazing! > > > > > > But the dedication was attended by 4500 (!) invited dignitaries > > seated > > > >in > > > > > > the vast lobby. It extended all day, while people were given > tours > > of > > > >the > > > > > > building. I would deduce from this that the ceremony was likely > > held > > > >in > > > >the > > > > > > morning (I proposed 10 am, someone else had 11 am), and lunch and > > the > > > >tours > > > > > > would be more likely after the building was declared open. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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