Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 Dear list: A divergence, for a moment.... The meanings of the energies of the grahas are embedded in our language. For example, lunatic for the Moon, mercurial, commerce, merchant for Mercury, or Venice and Vienna for Venus, saturnine, and so on. But the Sun, the solar, gives rise to the words: solitude, solitary, solo, isolate - all meanings of being alone. Now, one could extrapolate that it suggests the idea of the Sun being the One, or the individual, the soul, perhaps a separation. But none of these have the meanings of isolation. It seems there should be an astrological meaning to reflect this etymology. What might it be? I have been reesearching this point for some time, but have reached no satisfying conclusion. I would appreciate hearing anyone's ideas. Thank you, Julia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 >From Tara "surya"mani (she should know!) > Sun as Atma: > Atman, amen, om, alm, aum, ein? > I like that! Julia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 Sun as Atma: Atman, amen, om, alm, aum, ein? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 Don't forget to add "I am" in English to that list too. Do you understatnd each of those words as similar sound vibrations from each of the major religions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 - Julia Swanson gjlist Sunday, September 30, 2001 7:35 PM [gjlist] The Sun Dear list: A divergence, for a moment.... The meanings of the energies of the grahas are embedded in our language. For example, lunatic for the Moon, mercurial, commerce, merchant for Mercury, or Venice and Vienna for Venus, saturnine, and so on. But the Sun, the solar, gives rise to the words: solitude, solitary, solo, isolate - all meanings of being alone. Now, one could extrapolate that it suggests the idea of the Sun being the One, or the individual, the soul, perhaps a separation. But none of these have the meanings of isolation. It seems there should be an astrological meaning to reflect this etymology. What might it be? I have been reesearching this point for some time, but have reached no satisfying conclusion. I would appreciate hearing anyone's ideas. Thank you, Julia gjlist- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 Dear Julia. Though I did not follow the whole sun discussion, I would like to share my reflections with you. there is an interesting homeopathic aspect: If you take the colour gold for the sun, the names "aurum" and "or" will be also similar. Homeopathically Aurum in potencies is given for depressions and feelings of isolation. In the horoscopes of those patients you often may discover the sun occupying the 12th house, thus being isolated too. Look at some names containing "OR" for example, like GeORge W. Bush, whose sun is in the 12th. ROn GOLDman, another native having gold in his name has been killed. His name Ron could be turned into "nor" means "no or". Sun is in 12 with mars, venus and mercury. Aldo Moro has been killed too. Moro = the moor = dark or , sun is in 12. LORd Louis Mountbatten. OR is in his Lord. Mountbatten - mountain battles, he was a military. See the ARI for mars in military... GrigORy Potemkin, another military with the sun isolated in 12. RONald P. Reagen, the son, sun in 12... ROnald - ORnald. MOHAmed (speak MORAmed) Reza Pahlavi, the Shah, in exil, sun in 12. Thus isolation would only be indicated by the sun being in 12? NORmally the sun does`nt seem to be isolated but bright and golden, like in the case of LEONARD BERNSTEIN (=amber, a yellow stone), having LEO ascendent and the sun on the same degree. What`s about OREgon - where is the gold gone? OR look fOR superiOR or mORe or to bORrow. Of course, this seems just to be a play, but look for the inner sense of names and compare this with the sun in those charts. Have fun, Ilona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 Thank you so much Illona for this fascinating tour through names. I plan to study and think about it, and see how it applies to my own clients. Now, I should say that I think I made a mistake about the derivation of isolation, solitary and so forth from the word 'solus" for Sun. It seems these words derive from the origin for "isle" or "island", which clearly leads to solitary. Sorry for this mistake, but I like what resulted from it! Julia - <HellmannC200 <gjlist> Monday, October 01, 2001 9:49 AM Re: [gjlist] The Sun > Dear Julia. > Though I did not follow the whole sun discussion, I would like to share my > reflections with you. > there is an interesting homeopathic aspect: If you take the colour gold for > the sun, the names "aurum" and "or" will be also similar. > Homeopathically Aurum in potencies is given for depressions and feelings of > isolation. > In the horoscopes of those patients you often may discover the sun occupying > the 12th house, thus being isolated too. > Look at some names containing "OR" for example, like GeORge W. Bush, whose > sun is in the 12th. > ROn GOLDman, another native having gold in his name has been killed. His > name Ron could be turned into "nor" means "no or". Sun is in 12 with mars, > venus and mercury. > Aldo Moro has been killed too. Moro = the moor = dark or , sun is in 12. > LORd Louis Mountbatten. OR is in his Lord. Mountbatten - mountain battles, > he was a military. See the ARI for mars in military... > GrigORy Potemkin, another military with the sun isolated in 12. > RONald P. Reagen, the son, sun in 12... ROnald - ORnald. > MOHAmed (speak MORAmed) Reza Pahlavi, the Shah, in exil, sun in 12. > Thus isolation would only be indicated by the sun being in 12? NORmally the > sun does`nt seem to be isolated but bright and golden, like in the case of > LEONARD BERNSTEIN (=amber, a yellow stone), having LEO ascendent and the > sun on the same degree. > What`s about OREgon - where is the gold gone? OR look fOR superiOR or mORe > or to bORrow. > > Of course, this seems just to be a play, but look for the inner sense of > names and compare this with the sun in those charts. > Have fun, Ilona > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 Om Gurave Namah -------------------------- Dear Julia, When the mongol emperor Chengiz Khan was to die, he ordered that his hands be left outside his coffin and the entire thing was quite austere for one so high and mighty. When asked he replied that we have come to this world alone and shall leave it alone. That is the story of the atma, the soul which is a lone wanderer and observer. The Moon or Mana is the social creature. So, your point about the lonely Sun is correct. Actually the Sun is very lonely and indicates living in jungles and hot regions (Leo) like shiva Who likes to live in the Himalayas as the HEAT IN HIS BODY is best cooled by the icy caps of the Himalayas. Such people ruled by the sun are very much like Shiva. By fasting on Mondays and praying to Shiva, many Indian women expect the Lord to have pity on their loneliness (since Shiva alone can feel this loneliness after the loss of Parvati at Daksha's sacrifice) and grant them a partner (Moon). In another post Iloha poits out about the trend regarding the sun in the 12th house. This is the Marana Karaka Sthana. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - a.r. <anmar <gjlist> Monday, October 01, 2001 12:10 PM Re: [gjlist] The Sun > > - > Julia Swanson > gjlist > Sunday, September 30, 2001 7:35 PM > [gjlist] The Sun > > > Dear list: > > A divergence, for a moment.... > > The meanings of the energies of the grahas are embedded in our language. For example, lunatic for the Moon, mercurial, commerce, merchant for Mercury, or Venice and Vienna for Venus, saturnine, and so on. But the Sun, the solar, gives rise to the words: solitude, solitary, solo, isolate - all meanings of being alone. Now, one could extrapolate that it suggests the idea of the Sun being the One, or the individual, the soul, perhaps a separation. But none of these have the meanings of isolation. It seems there should be an astrological meaning to reflect this etymology. What might it be? I have been reesearching this point for some time, but have reached no satisfying conclusion. I would appreciate hearing anyone's ideas. > > Thank you, > Julia > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 Dear Julia, Isn't it very to derive words meaning solitude from the word for the Sun? Too hot simply, anything which comes near has to be burned. Solitude appears to be the price for magnificence. Love, Liliana >"Julia Swanson" <juliaswanson1 >gjlist ><gjlist> >Re: [gjlist] The Sun >Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:03:28 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.115.96.53] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD8219B6008B4136E80BD87360353AE8203; Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:20:01 >-0700 >Received: from [10.1.1.221] by hj. with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2001 >20:17:29 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 1 Oct 2001 20:15:41 -0000 >Received: (qmail 50107 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2001 20:15:39 -0000 >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 1 Oct 2001 >20:15:39 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mta1x04.coxmail.com) (206.157.231.20) by mta3 >with SMTP; 1 Oct 2001 20:17:22 -0000 >Received: from julia ([10.65.10.20]) by mta1x04.coxmail.com >(InterMail vK.4.03.04.01 201-232-130-101 license >85f4f10023be2bd3bce00b3a38363ea2) with SMTP id ><20011001201959.CZWC1518.mta1x04@julia> for ><gjlist>; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:19:59 -0400 >From sentto-490438-7520-1001967341-astrolila Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:21:55 >-0700 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-490438-7520-1001967341-astrolila=hotmail.com (AT) returns (DOT) >X-Sender: juliaswanson1 >X-Apparently-gjlist >Message-ID: <002101c14abc$84d8eac0$77116b0c@julia> >References: <B7DE6AB5.168A%HellmannC200> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 >Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact >gjlist-owner >Delivered-mailing list gjlist >Precedence: bulk >List-Un: <gjlist> > >Thank you so much Illona for this fascinating tour through names. I plan >to >study and think about it, and see how it applies to my own clients. > >Now, I should say that I think I made a mistake about the derivation of >isolation, solitary and so forth from the word 'solus" for Sun. It seems >these words derive from the origin for "isle" or "island", which clearly >leads to solitary. Sorry for this mistake, but I like what resulted from >it! >Julia > >- ><HellmannC200 ><gjlist> >Monday, October 01, 2001 9:49 AM >Re: [gjlist] The Sun > > > > Dear Julia. > > Though I did not follow the whole sun discussion, I would like to share >my > > reflections with you. > > there is an interesting homeopathic aspect: If you take the colour gold >for > > the sun, the names "aurum" and "or" will be also similar. > > Homeopathically Aurum in potencies is given for depressions and feelings >of > > isolation. > > In the horoscopes of those patients you often may discover the sun >occupying > > the 12th house, thus being isolated too. > > Look at some names containing "OR" for example, like GeORge W. Bush, >whose > > sun is in the 12th. > > ROn GOLDman, another native having gold in his name has been killed. His > > name Ron could be turned into "nor" means "no or". Sun is in 12 with >mars, > > venus and mercury. > > Aldo Moro has been killed too. Moro = the moor = dark or , sun is in 12. > > LORd Louis Mountbatten. OR is in his Lord. Mountbatten - mountain >battles, > > he was a military. See the ARI for mars in military... > > GrigORy Potemkin, another military with the sun isolated in 12. > > RONald P. Reagen, the son, sun in 12... ROnald - ORnald. > > MOHAmed (speak MORAmed) Reza Pahlavi, the Shah, in exil, sun in 12. > > Thus isolation would only be indicated by the sun being in 12? NORmally >the > > sun does`nt seem to be isolated but bright and golden, like in the case >of > > LEONARD BERNSTEIN (=amber, a yellow stone), having LEO ascendent and >the > > sun on the same degree. > > What`s about OREgon - where is the gold gone? OR look fOR superiOR or >mORe > > or to bORrow. > > > > Of course, this seems just to be a play, but look for the inner sense of > > names and compare this with the sun in those charts. > > Have fun, Ilona > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________ Downloaden Sie MSN Explorer kostenlos unter http://explorer.msn.de/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 Sorry, a mistake, I meant to say "isn't it very LOGICAL" Liliana >"Liliana Sucur Perisic" <astrolila >gjlist >gjlist >Re: [gjlist] The Sun >Tue, 02 Oct 2001 02:07:57 +0200 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [62.158.202.170] >Received: from [216.115.96.75] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD824DFA008C40042A20D873604B7305407; Mon, 01 Oct 2001 17:07:25 >-0700 >Received: from [10.1.4.56] by mv. with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2001 >00:07:58 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 2 Oct 2001 00:07:58 -0000 >Received: (qmail 52055 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2001 00:07:58 -0000 >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10. with QMQP; 2 Oct >2001 00:07:58 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.235) by mta2 with SMTP; >2 Oct 2001 00:07:58 -0000 >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; >Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:07:57 -0700 >Received: from 62.158.202.170 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with >HTTP;Tue, 02 Oct 2001 00:07:57 GMT >From sentto-490438-7528-1001981278-astrolila Mon, 01 Oct 2001 17:09:18 >-0700 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-490438-7528-1001981278-astrolila=hotmail.com (AT) returns (DOT) >X-Sender: astrolila >X-Apparently-gjlist >Message-ID: <F235tXwpvffCs2ImoTz0000cab5 >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 00:07:57.0978 (UTC) >FILETIME=[4AB2E7A0:01C14AD6] >Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact >gjlist-owner >Delivered-mailing list gjlist >Precedence: bulk >List-Un: <gjlist> > >Dear Julia, >Isn't it very to derive words meaning solitude from the word for the Sun? >Too hot simply, anything which comes near has to be burned. Solitude >appears >to be the price for magnificence. >Love, >Liliana > > > >"Julia Swanson" <juliaswanson1 > >gjlist > ><gjlist> > >Re: [gjlist] The Sun > >Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:03:28 -0700 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from [216.115.96.53] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBD8219B6008B4136E80BD87360353AE8203; Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:20:01 > >-0700 > >Received: from [10.1.1.221] by hj. with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2001 > >20:17:29 -0000 > >Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 1 Oct 2001 20:15:41 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 50107 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2001 20:15:39 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 1 Oct 2001 > >20:15:39 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO mta1x04.coxmail.com) (206.157.231.20) by >mta3 > >with SMTP; 1 Oct 2001 20:17:22 -0000 > >Received: from julia ([10.65.10.20]) by mta1x04.coxmail.com > >(InterMail vK.4.03.04.01 201-232-130-101 license > >85f4f10023be2bd3bce00b3a38363ea2) with SMTP id > ><20011001201959.CZWC1518.mta1x04@julia> for > ><gjlist>; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:19:59 -0400 > >From sentto-490438-7520-1001967341-astrolila Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:21:55 > >-0700 > >X-eGroups-Return: > >sentto-490438-7520-1001967341-astrolila=hotmail.com (AT) returns (DOT) > >X-Sender: juliaswanson1 > >X-Apparently-gjlist > >Message-ID: <002101c14abc$84d8eac0$77116b0c@julia> > >References: <B7DE6AB5.168A%HellmannC200> > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > >Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact > >gjlist-owner > >Delivered-mailing list gjlist > >Precedence: bulk > >List-Un: <gjlist> > > > >Thank you so much Illona for this fascinating tour through names. I plan > >to > >study and think about it, and see how it applies to my own clients. > > > >Now, I should say that I think I made a mistake about the derivation of > >isolation, solitary and so forth from the word 'solus" for Sun. It seems > >these words derive from the origin for "isle" or "island", which clearly > >leads to solitary. Sorry for this mistake, but I like what resulted from > >it! > >Julia > > > >- > ><HellmannC200 > ><gjlist> > >Monday, October 01, 2001 9:49 AM > >Re: [gjlist] The Sun > > > > > > > Dear Julia. > > > Though I did not follow the whole sun discussion, I would like to >share > >my > > > reflections with you. > > > there is an interesting homeopathic aspect: If you take the colour >gold > >for > > > the sun, the names "aurum" and "or" will be also similar. > > > Homeopathically Aurum in potencies is given for depressions and >feelings > >of > > > isolation. > > > In the horoscopes of those patients you often may discover the sun > >occupying > > > the 12th house, thus being isolated too. > > > Look at some names containing "OR" for example, like GeORge W. Bush, > >whose > > > sun is in the 12th. > > > ROn GOLDman, another native having gold in his name has been killed. >His > > > name Ron could be turned into "nor" means "no or". Sun is in 12 with > >mars, > > > venus and mercury. > > > Aldo Moro has been killed too. Moro = the moor = dark or , sun is in >12. > > > LORd Louis Mountbatten. OR is in his Lord. Mountbatten - mountain > >battles, > > > he was a military. See the ARI for mars in military... > > > GrigORy Potemkin, another military with the sun isolated in 12. > > > RONald P. Reagen, the son, sun in 12... ROnald - ORnald. > > > MOHAmed (speak MORAmed) Reza Pahlavi, the Shah, in exil, sun in 12. > > > Thus isolation would only be indicated by the sun being in 12? >NORmally > >the > > > sun does`nt seem to be isolated but bright and golden, like in the >case > >of > > > LEONARD BERNSTEIN (=amber, a yellow stone), having LEO ascendent and > >the > > > sun on the same degree. > > > What`s about OREgon - where is the gold gone? OR look fOR superiOR or > >mORe > > > or to bORrow. > > > > > > Of course, this seems just to be a play, but look for the inner sense >of > > > names and compare this with the sun in those charts. > > > Have fun, Ilona > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > >_______________ >Downloaden Sie MSN Explorer kostenlos unter http://explorer.msn.de/intl.asp > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________ Downloaden Sie MSN Explorer kostenlos unter http://explorer.msn.de/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Hi Ilona, This is really very interesting- and funny too. The origin and meaning of words. You also mentioned something from your field of expertise: Homeopathically Aurum in potencies is given for depressions and feelings of isolation. In the horoscopes of those patients you often may discover the sun occupying the 12th house, thus being isolated too. ....and when you mentioned H.Aurum, it seems to me like a specific h.product, for depression (whether the Sun is 12th or not) I would appreciate if you would elaborate on this. Thanks, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Dear Anna, of course you are right. Aurum in potencies is not only necessary when the sun is in 12, but I`m taking it reverse: if the sun is in 12, I directly take aurum into my choice of remedies. There exist some interesting books: 1) "Desktop Guide to Keynotes and Confirmatory Symptoms", by Roger Morrison, M.D. copyright 1993. It will be still available in the USA. 2) "Synoptic Materia Medica" by Frans Vermeulen, copyright 1992 by Merlijn Publishers, NL-Haarlem. In english language. 3) "Homeopathic Drug Pictures" by Margaret L. Tyler, very detailed and sensitive. 4) Elisabeth Wright-Hubbard is another famous ancient homeopath, just try to find her books. I like her style. There are many other sources and if you are looking for some special, you may contact me. The books mentioned above are very much dealing with the psychological aspect of our remedies and thus of course you will find an interesting view about aurum. These books cannot be used to start some self treatment but if you want to get a deeper insight, they are most useful. Regarding Aurum there are two aspects I would like to mention: The first is, that people who played a prominent role, politically, as artists, in the buisiness or in another important job - meaning they stood in the sun for some time - will often fall in depression when they are no more needed or when they feel their forces disappear. There might be a tendency for suicide. This often indicates aurum as remedy. The other case is in regard of eyesight - when someone doesn`t see the sunlight - aurum may be very helpful. By the way, our ancient chancelor, Helmut Kohl also has the sun in 12. Recently his wife made suicide due to her depression about a yearlasting sunlight allergy. Her allergy began in that time, when her husband dealed with illegal earnings! Black money - black gold...Thus I would recommend aurum to him - if he came to me and complained about depression... And: did you see where the sun is placed in my case "medical prediction?" She actually takes aurum. Hence I`m not sure if my answer fits your expactations, let me know it. Regards, Ilona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Dear llona, Interesting !! But do u see Sun in 12 ( as is the case ) in name Kirpall ??? Kirpall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Dear Kirpall, is there a second name too? Which language is it? Your name might consist of the two parts: Kir = Kyros, being a Persian name for king. The second half: pall = Palle = Paul means small or little. So you would be a "little King" and what is the sign of a king? Leo! And the sun of a little king might be in 12, wouldn`t you think so? Just, don`t take it too serious but is really interesting, isn`t it? Another explanation for "pall" might be "fall", the fallen King. Sun in 12? You turned the case and thus you will find thousands of names, having no visible connection with the sun and aurum, hence the sun being in 12. It was just to find some analogy with names of isolated persons, aurum and the sun in 12. My husband too has the sun in 12 and no OBVIOUS connection with his name. But - do we know it really? Best wishes, Ilona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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