Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Hello jyotish friends, I know this may be long, but nevertheless I think it may be worth to read it and make your independent opinion as the present US/world situation is touching all of us. Michael Tracking The Elusive Truth Commentary Edited by Anita Sands Hernandez astrology 10-5-1 If you were a mystery writer, say, an Agatha Christie chess brain, and were confronted with a pair of corpses, two very tall, well loved, glamorous, American TWINS) , you would review the clues with avidity wouldn't you? If you read every article in cyberspace, you would see, as researchers do, that U.S. spooks knew the two, beautiful twins were a.) scheduled to be offered, and b.) their death by fire would get you so crazy-flag-waving that they could put a long, long war before you and you'd bite down on it, hook and all. The USA, CIA, NSC, Joint Chiefs, George Senior, and Dick Cheney, KNEW the WTC attack was FINALLY, about to happen. You'll see it if you hold the following clues in mind all at once: 1) ECHELON spies gave U.S authorities a 3 month warning of attacks. A German paper reported U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies received warning signals at least three months ago that terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American culture, according to a story in Germany's daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung http://wwwnewsbytes.com 2) The U.S. already in JULY 2001, had planned to attack the Taliban before the WTC/Pentagon attacks: a former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the U.S.A. was planning military action against Osama and the Taliban even before last weekís attacks. Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani foreign secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October. (BBC news 9-18-01) EVIDENCE THAT The USA already planned and attack on the Taliban. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1550000/15503 66.stm This former Paki diplomat told the BBC that the U.S was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban even before last weekís attacks. Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani foreign secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October. Mr Naik said U.S. officials told him of the plan at a U.N. sponsored international, contact group on Afghanistan which took place in Berlin. He told the BBC that at the meeting the us representatives told him that unless Bin Laden was handed over swiftly, America would take military action to kill or capture both Bin Laden and the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar. The wider objective, according to Mr Naik, who is MIND YOU RETIRED and a PAKI, would be to topple the Taliban regime and install a transitional government of moderate (read manageable by US Oil men) Afghans in its place - possibly under the leadership of the former Afghan King Zahir Shah. Mr Naik was told that Washington would launch its operation from bases in Tajikistan, (implying full Ruski cooperation) where American advisers were already in place. He was told that Uzbekistanwould also participate in the operation and that 17,000 Russian troops were on standby to AID IN THIS SEIZURE. (!) (At this point your AGATHA CHRISTIE CUI BONUM machinery starts clicking and you realize that RUSSIA and USA had imperialist aims related to that sand pit, i.e. it was to be pipeline for OIL biz between the new Capitalistniks in the Aparatchik Formerly known as Russia and the combined Bush/Houston/Global Marine, Sta Fe Internat'l cum Kuwait forces, i.e. their brand new corporation, only weeks old, merged September 4th, 2001.) Naik had been told by his contacts that if the military action went ahead it would take place before the snows started falling in Afghanistan, by the middle of October at the latest. He said that he was in no doubt that after the world trade center bombings this pre-existing us plan had been built upon and would be implemented within two or three weeks and he said it was doubtful that Washington would drop its plan even if Bin Laden were to be surrendered immediately by the Taliban. 3.) Russia knew in advance...(obviously, see above) proven by fact IT encouraged citizens to cash out dollars: Russian press accounts and other activities by the russian government this summer indicate that the russians knew in advance that something would happen to america, including a "financial attack" against the u.s. during the past three months, russian media and officials have encouraged citizens to cash out of u.s. dollars pending an economic collapse there after an "attack." http://www/newsmax.com 9-17-01 4) The FBI tracked a PILOT TERRORIST (currently in custody) 2 weeks before attacks: "two weeks before the terrorist attacks in new york city and Washington, D.C., FBI agents were at a flight school in Oklahoma asking questions about a man now suspected of having a link to those attacks", according to CNN. "The fact that FBI agents were at the airman flight school in Norman, Oklahoma, two weeks before any attacks would seem to contradict the agencyís assertion that it was not aware of any connection between aviation schools and suspected terrorists. FBI director Robert Mueller has stated publicly, "there were no warning signs that Iím aware of that would indicate this type of operation in the country," http://cnn.com 9-18-01 somebody is lying! 5) USA pulled plug on 500 Arab/Muslim websites the day before jetliner attacks: five hundred websites - many of them with an arab or muslim connection - crashed when an anti-terrorism task force raided infocom corporation in texas. The 80-strong task force that descended upon the company included FBI agents, secret service agents, diplomatic security agents, tax inspectors, immigration officials, customs officials, department of commerce officials and computer experts. (Brian Whitaker 9-12-01) 6) 6 YEARS AGO, U.S. was warned in 1995 of plot to hijack planes, attack buildings: the FBI was warned of a terrorist plot to hijack commercial planes and slam them into the Pentagon, the CIA headquarters and other buildings, Philippine investigators told CNN just a few days ago. The plan was termed ''Project Bojinka.' (manila, philippines cnn 9-18-01) 7) U.S government had prior knowledge of OSAMA CELLS. As ex CIA chief Stansfield Turner admitted, Oct 3rd, on CNN cable, US/ FBI had prior knowledge of 4 to 6 Bin Laden cells in the USA. That means the cells were completely bugged. Every phone line, every cell phone, every email. Turner said they couldn't move in and arrest them as a.) they'd done nothing illegal, and b.) each man was here LEGALLY. Which brings us to the fact: 8.) INS sold citizenship to terrorists for 6 thousand dollars a piece, as an 'under the table' bribe. There was interest in having these Bin Laden cells 'peopled' or 'filled out, as here inside USA, it was easy to watch and eavesdrop on them. An INS career officer, out of the ORLANDO FLorida INS office, caught and ratted out her bosses for selling citizenship to terrorists. When her bosses abused her, she sued the INS/ USA as a whistleblower and she won in court, a large cash settlement. The INS is currently appealing that decision. She Filed with aid of lawyer Donald Apignani in Florida. During her lawsuit, the INS officer sent all her evidence to John Ashcroft, head man at Dept of Justice, Atty Gen for USA. He did not answer her but sent the whole package back to her bosses. He did not want to know about it. The outraged INS officer woman is suing again in California, and while file any day, now. But let's go back to NUMBER 7, U.S had PRIOR KNOWLEDGE 7.) CONTINUED -FOREIGN SPIES TOLD American CIA that the TERRORIST ATTACK WAS COMING THAT WEEK! That the Sept 11th birthday of ISRAEL might be the day. (72 years ago) Among the foreign intelligence agencies who penetrated the plots were French DEUXIEME BUREAU and ISRAEL'S MOSSAD units of both often working with one another. Foreign intelligence sources confirm the validity of this story and they state that they informed the U.S. Secret police who absolutely failed, neglected, and outright refused to take action as to known prior specifics of which the top-level of the CIA were informed in advance. http://www.skolnicksreport.com 9-13-01 8.) THERE WAS A deliberate leak from a double agent in the White House. Terrorists had ultra secret codes day they attacked WTC and said as much. That they had the secret phones at White House, knew where POTUS was, Air Force One, all reported on http://worldnetdaily.com as well as in all media, Sept 22nd, 2001. 9) DEAD GIVEAWAY in unusual and SUSPICIOUS market activity reported before the attacks: "Chicago traders on Wednesday cited unusual activity in airline options up to a month before 911 emergency and German bankers reported brisk activity in Reinsurer Munich adding to speculation that those behind the attacks tried to profit from their acts. (Reuters 9-20-01) How come everyone knew this was going to happen? Why would the USA. refuse to investigate when told, unless it was their own plan all along? FDR knew of Japanís coming attack on Pearl Harbor. It certainly appears that the USA/ NWO/ CIA /NSC NSA Secret White house elite who govern US backed by OLIGARCHS, BANKERS, knew in advance that a great catastrophe was about to occur on American soil and did absolutely nothing in order to prevent it. What could have been done? Plenty. For starters, weapon-seeking X-ray security at all airports could have been beefed up. Air bases could have been put on alert. Planes should have been airborne upon the first indication of a hijacking. as it was, these hijacked planes were in the air for as much as a 30 minutes or more, after being hijacked and diverted, and yet totally unchallenged by military aircraft. At best, this was totally inept; and at worst, stinks of collusion. There are many, many unanswered questions concerning the collapse of the towers. For example, why did the towers collapse? many engineers have stated that they were built to withstand an aircraft hit, and also to endure temperatures of 2,000 degrees. in addition, why did the south tower fall first, considering that it was hit by the second aircraft? CBC news replayed an ABC interview with two American heroes that rescued a handicapped person in the north tower. they said that while leaving the tower, they heard an explosion, turned around and saw the tower collapsing, and then ran for their lives. The question is: what explosion? the first tower was hit an hour and 45 minutes before this explosion, therefore, it could not have been from the jet fuel. Another quote from the same article previously mentioned: why did the towers implode instead of explode? The towers came down as gracefully as a fountain of water. "too methodical to be a chance result of airplanes colliding with the structures" said Van Romero, vice president for research at New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology. "My opinion is that after the airplanes hit the world trade center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse," romero said. romero is a former director of the energetic materials research and testing center at tech, which studies explosive materials and the effects of explosions on buildings, aircraft and other structures. The towers imploded! they did not explode! a fuel fire causes an explosion, not an implosion. explosions explode out. implosions, implode in! implosions can only occur with immense planning by a highly skilled group of craftsmen educated in the unique skill of demolishing buildings by strategically placing explosive devices within the building. this requires many experts, much time and significant access to the building beforehand. the skill of implosion of buildings was developed primarily to demolish buildings in areas of high building density, so the destruction of the structure will not cause damage to the surrounding buildings. in addition, the towers came down long after the planes struck. It is ludicrous to suggest that fuel dumping from the airplanes caused a fire hot enough to melt the inner structure first of all, who can prove the planes dumped all of their fuel into the core of the building? second, why did the fuel take so long to catch fire? third, fuel-fires cause explosions, not implosions! fourth, the structure was built to withstand temperatures of 2000 degrees fahrenheit, according to the architect and designer of the building, a man who is now deceased, but who preserved this nugget of information in an interview he recorded in 1998. Hyman Brown, a university of colorado civil engineering professor and the world trade centerís construction manager, watched in confusion as the towers came down. "it was over-designed to withstand almost anything including hurricanes, high winds, bombings and an airplane hitting it," he said. (Scripps Howard news service 9-11,01 and 9-12-01)So, why was it necessary to implode the whole structure? to eliminate evidence, just as was done to the Murrah building in Oklahoma City, before the forensic specialists could get in to examine the evidence. Just like the branch davidian compound at Waco was bulldozed by the government before any evidence could be examined. And the expert hired to look at 'flashes' caught on video who told his friends that flashes proved FBI shot every child that tried to get outÖ. that man was himself killed, the day before he was to testify to Congress. Conclusion: this was a highly skilled endeavor by a large group of well-trained people with access to the buildings, the airplanes and the explosives. they would have had to blend into the population and not look suspicious. and the bldgs in question had, a few weeks earlier, been sold BY GOV to Mr. Silverstein. NYC previously owned them (read Chase Manhattan Bank, and Citibank and those two together ARE the IMF..) Poor Mr Silverstein was 3.2 billion short and STEPFATHER BANK was out from under. Look on the Bright Side Mr. Silverstein. Not many renters get a chance to rebuild on the spot with the IMF financing them. Demolition was cheap! a few sticks of dynamite here, there. You still have a hundred year lease.... The real question is when it comes to downing two skyscrapers, who would have these qualifications? certainly not a group of Arab "terrorists" who bungled the l993 bombing and got caught. Who gained from these attacks? Not terrorists, not Al-Qaeda. It was the plantary oligarchs that let the terrorists have 'count that little coup', indulged them their one ugly, 15 minutes of fame as they needed AMERICANS TO START FOAMING FOR WAR. Now the Middle East has the wrath of the American eagle descending upon them. What Stone age sand flea in his right mind would want that? Houston had to do it. They were essentially drillers without fields. Pity the poor oligarchs, a plantary economy in deep recession. We weren't buying their stuff (snuffle, sniff) Oligarchs with nowhere to invest. That's how recessions start. When the POOR don't open their wallet, then the rich can't either. Instead of concentrating on the terrorists, take a good look at what was transpiring in the USA and what can be extrapolated from it. They were like Godzillas feasting on our productivity. They took away our factories and salaries and still hoped we'd buy cars. We couldn't. What can they do with a trillion Fords that break down at l00,000 miles and are overpriced when Koreans can make a car that works? SELL US A WAR is what! PART II. What else has happened since the attacks? 1) the population has been in one moment, prepared psychologically and economically, for a long term war where the number of U.S.. casualties will be high (Washington Post online September 21, 2001). 2) Bush created a new office of "homeland security" (read SS, ) supposedly to protect Americans from attack. The job would involve coordination of government-wide domestic security efforts, including meshing domestic FBI, and foreign CIA intelligence, working alongside US. military, emergency officials and state and local governments. Wanna bet that this new, patriotic homeland defense position will probably not need senate confirmation, which other cabinet jobs require, nor legislation to create" white house officials said. so there will be no investigation, oversight nor accountability for this group's actions. An abrogation of our Constitution. (Reuters - Washington 9-21-01) 3) U.S. orders 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine for $343 million in preparation for a possible bioterrorism assault. the contract has been given to a small, cambridge-based firm Acambis, a British biotechnology company who reported a net loss of $8 million in the six months prior to June 30, unchanged from last year. (how convenient to get this huge order! It would be interesting to find the crony-ism involved, here.) (Reuters news, London 9-20-01) And the media is blaring everywhere about anthrax, small box, Saran gas, preparing the population to expect bio-terrorism. 4) America and Britain are co-producing secret plans to launch a ten year "war on terrorism" - Operation Noble Eagle - involving a completely new military and diplomatic strategy to eliminate terrorist networks and cells around the world." (The Times -London 9-20-01). 5) The American Senate already OKAYED the FBI spying on the internet: fbi agents soon will be able to spy on internet users legally without a court order. Two days after the terrorist attack, the senate approved the "combating terrorism act of 2001" which enhances police wiretap powers and permits monitoring in more situations. the fbiís surveillance system is called carnivore. (Lycos network 9-20-01) 6) The U.S. plans to overthrow taliban and put Afghanistan under United Nations control, according to The Manchester Guardian - London (9-21-01) note: Yugoslavia is already under U.N. control. 7) A global surveillance system known as echelon exists and has the ability to eavesdrop on telephone calls, faxes and e-mail messages. Face-id technology gains new support. "State lawmakers who were planning to sponsor legislation restricting its use now say they are reassessing their plans." (Denver Post Capitol Bureau, 9-20-01) 9) "Experts see a high-security america of surveillance & seizures": new york: security experts in the united states are describing a new kind of country that could emerge, where electronic identification might become the norm, immigrants might be tracked far more closely and the airspace over cities like new york and washington might be off-limits to all civilian aircraft." (the nternational herald tribune 9-19-01) more surveillance of u.s. citizens. 10) "Lawmakers see need to loosen rules on CIA" Congressional leaders, who oversee the nationís intelligence system (yeah right!) have concluded that americaís spy agencies should be allowed to combat terrorism with more aggressive tactics, including the hiring of unsavory foreign agents, including revived discussion of reversing the us 25 year ban on using covert agents to assassinate foreigners. R. James Woolsey, the former director of the CIA said that "Washington has absolutely undergone a change in thinking this week." (New York Times, 9-16-01) So what we're getting for our intelligence nickle is a dime's worth of surveillance of u.s.citizens! 11) NATO announces a third world war is almost upon us. A Pentagon spokesman hinted towards potential targets being Libya, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, north korea, Syria and others. (NATO secretary-general lord Robertson) 12) California congresswoman, Mary Bono, R-Palm Springs warned that the country should prepare for a fight against international terrorists that will likely include personal sacrifice, the use of ground troops overseas and the risk of retaliation against civilians by the enemy. she alsopredicts intense scrutiny of airline passengers, a national system of fingerprinting and identification cards and the spectre of chemical and biological attacks on the u.s. (the Desert Sun 9-18-01) 13) An enemy is needed to justify a $344 billion war budget, when the federal government currently spends only $42 billion on education, $26 billion on affordable housing and bizarrely low, $1 billion on school construction. 14) President Bush sent his anti-terrorism bill to Congress one week after the WTC/Pentagon attack, launching an emotional debate that will force u.s. politicians to choose between continued freedom for americans or greater security. (Lycos network 9-20-01) does anybody know how long it takes to write one of these bills? it takes months! they are hundreds of pages long. this one was obviously written before the attack! how convenient! wake up America! 15) "President Bush focused his energy on building a global alliance for a fight against terrorism..." (MSNBC 9-18-01) here comes the new world order! 1984! 16) fast-moving house bill restricts liberties - much of it unrelated to terrorism! congress is being asked to rush to pass emergency anti-terrorist legislation written by the department of justice, but much of the legislation turns out to have nothing to do with fighting terrorism. instead, the legislation contains a host of items which have been on the bureaucratic wish lists for many years. 17) "we must ignore the peace lobby and show no restraint" says the Independent (hardly!)- London (9-24-01) 1 bush suspends habeas corpus: legal immigrants may be held without cause: "the bush administration today announced it is using its powers under the national emergency act to suspend the right of habeas corpus for all immigrants in the country, including legal immigrants, meaning that any immigrant in the u.s. right now can be held indefinitely by the police or government without trial or demonstration of cause to hold them." and daily on the tv they talk of putting chips in us so we can be identified, ostensibly so no Arab can steal our identity. They want us to have our true identity! though no one has yet suggested infringing the rights of U.S. citizens, the move is a frightening first step to a national tyranny, based on perpetual suspension of the constitution in the name of fighting perpetual war." l984 came, l7 years LATE. 19) President bush has agreed to bail out the airlines with billions of dollars, an industry that was swimming in red ink long before the wtc/pentagon attacks. It is obvious to anyone who has eyes to see, and ears to hear, that American citizens are going to lose their freedom. the process has already begun. eventually the entire world will lose theirs as well. Consider for a moment, the national I.D.card that is being proposed. Like any passport it could be counterfeited. A national ID card can only be concluded as the logical first step. when it is acknowledged, as not accomplishing its task, and then, guess what's waiting in the wings? A switch to micro chip technology would be sought as the only viable solution. 666 I believe the bible prophecy freaks call it. It means that you can wear a chip in your butt just like your Dalmation. When you have surfed around there, and read just a few articles, youíll be ready to play this Agatha Christie Solve the Mystery of who killed the Big Twins game, armed with the following secret maps I'm going to give you of what you should be seeking, searching out... 1.) FOREIGN ALLIES. What if IQ 80 Bush Jr. really had no idea that the terrorists were coming. (cough!). Very unlikely as we have seen but what if there was actually a nation state that did this as a covert military action. Someone behind Osama. Someone running him. Who might that be? http://www.morphmaster.com/binladen.htm (surf there). Who was close to Osama in his lifetime? Someone was running him before or after the USA ran him in the 80's. Reporters who know him say heís a happy space case dunce. Kind of like our old friend Lee Harvey Oswald whose last words alive were ' I'm a Patsy.' In another famous, CIA/OSS/SS action called the JFK HIT. It took a team of sharp shooters on the GrassyKnoll to take out JFK. Look at the Twins Murder. It was was waaaay too organized. The terrorists are said to have spoken German. Residents there for a long time, maybe? What German Terrorist movements exists full of ex nazi handlers who work the local natives aligned with a faction of the ancient Teutonic OSS/ CIA/ SS? Working the European end of the street on behalf of the Planet's mega oligarchs, the Cash numero unos of the planet? Who but a devious Dr. Strangelove Mastermind could have created a German based Arab branch of the Meiner Badhof gang? You do know that after WWII, half the SS was moved to Langley, the other half stayed in Europe to watch the Commies. The NWO CIA has had ex nazis running its think tanks since '45.. Next, SO WHAT if they had Arab names? They still could be GERMANIFIED Arabs. In Germany, having an Arab is like having a Rottweiler. Maybe the poor Arabs are patsies. Maybe the Taliban was a kind of red herring bacteria allowed to grow rife through the middle east so that the Nazi/ NWO OPEC CIA could demonstrate it was high time for Sulfa. It was warrented and they should be allowed to bring in the bleach. Why did IQ 80's handlers take out 6k people and blame the Stone Age Al-Qaeda? What did they stand to gain if Arabs were implicated? OK. Think back. What did Hitler gain when he got people to believe that THREE DEAD POLACKS he'd dressed up in GERMAN uniforms were HIS OWN GERMAN BOYS, 'attacked on the border by Nasty old Poland' in 1939? He got to have WWII making his handlers happy. What did Lyndon Johnson gain when he made it seem that a simple lightning strike on the high seas was a VIET CONG attack on US Battleships? Answer: He got to send US soldiers to Nam. (before only instructors were there, it was a local civil war, remember?) Then Lyndon was trying to nab the richest oil field of planet which is right off shore south of Nam for his Handlers. The Seven SISTERS wanted that war. Dutch Petroleum, Mobil, Exon, Shell, etc.. The Commander of that American battleship later said it was just lightning flashes. Said so in his bio! 56,000 American lives later. And what did FDR get when he let Japs bomb Hawaii? To get his peacenik people to go to a EUROPEAN war! So here, 2001, what's the cui bonum and in whose lap do the cui bonum goodies possibly land? Follow the money trail of the future. Sniff the air blowing down upon your sons and daughters. What are the other possible future scenarios and cui bonums of re-zoning the mideast into Exxonia? Mobilia? Instead of Iraq and Iran? DIRTY AIR is what. Our babies dying of cancer of the lungs, tumors in the brain as every Chinaman gets a Ford. They want to sell us cars and gasoline forever. We can run fine on electric cars, ask Ed Begley Jr. but they want us in hock to the company store. Now that sounds pretty venal (of them, not me. I'm just reporting it) but why else would they risk throwing planet into war? Is there anything else they might want over there? Goats? Harem girl with cymbals? Camels? NO. OIL and only OIL. And where is it? IN THE CASPIAN. Russia has it. That's why RUSSIA is in on this. She is selling us the oil, she is drilling it. she enters the world economy and only this war gets her in. (Heck, every war does!) I say let her in, but let her sell us Russian art, fur coats, electric cars, anything but OIL to befoul the planet's air with fuel! FOSSIL FUEL is sheer poison! Ten possible reasons why the rich and greedy would commit, or allow the commission of the crimes in new york and d.c. and blame the taliban: 1.) Prior to sept. 11, 2001: (1) the world was about to enter a deep recession/depression because the super rich could not find a single thing worth investing in. They had tried everything, moved factories to the third world, paying a dollar a day salaries, which threw US citizens out of work. They build/ tried to sell cheaper washingmachines and cars, but as Marx predicted, at that point, NOBODY anywhere could afford them. Sales slowed to a trickle. The rich pulled their money out of everything! They recognized the stock market was bogus. They had to regroup. Depression is when the people stop buying, as they are in debt. That debt is a result of high prices, low wages, the growing inequities, the lack of the ëfamedí Keynesian "trickle down" and the gross exploitation of labor in the USA and all over the world. 2.) Create an enemy to take the heat. Destruction of the WTC gives the appearance that this phenomenon is the result of the "terrorists" attack. it makes hungry, angry disenfranchised, 'outcrowd' third worlders, who ëwonít work their way up in the world, seem puny, jealous, miserable, backbiting and makes all those who may inwardly also be a little jealous of wealth guilty and quiet. 4.) The wtc property was sold only two weeks before the atack by the INTERNATIONAL MONEY FUND, (Chase manhattan, Citibank and the ostensible 'owner', the Port Authority of NYC who all together HAD owned the twin towers. They sold for 3.2 billion, a huge profit by the way, for an Eco-disaster bldg that every Arab psychopath was KNOWN to be targeting...! And they sold it to an individual, Silverstein. The ultimate pig in a poke! The property was 30 years old, (from time of opening) and in need of millions of dollars in renovation and repairs. 5.) the airline industry was about to go bankrupt due to mismanagement, high fuel costs and simply having too many planes for the declining passenger volume. now they can blame their troubles on the wtc attack and get billions of dollars in government bail-out cash. (6) George Dubya, IQ 80, and his Dad's friends in the Houston oil community had just consummated the biggest merger of oil related businesses ever, with 3 partners. First, kuwait as a 17% partner, next, cia propriatary global marine, and third, houston based sta fe petrol, all of career CIA guy Bush Sr's oil pals. A war on the arabs might well put them in a position to confiscate many oilfields and other minerals in the middle east, turn Afghanistan to toast, so they can lay pipes wall to wall and get the huge ruski oil deposits to the saudis for processing. (7) The "military-industrial complex" Ike warned us about cannott make their huge profits on weapons and other war related hardware without a war and the army can't make fruit salad for its bosom without war. 8.) Thereís nothing like a "good" war to rally the misinformed public around the corrupt and fraudulent government, taking the focus off of all of the stupidity, criminal conduct and immorality of so many of the "honorable gentlemen" in congress and the other branches of government. 9.) There is nothing in the social security and medicare trusts except i.o.u's from THE USA to its people. the money was spent long ago, and thereís no way that theretirement and medical needs of the "baby-boomers" can be funded. a huge, drawn out war will provide an excuse as to why the money is gone, ie. to pay for the war. (more lies) 10.) Taliban heroin isn't controlled by CIA the way Burma, Thai, Laotian Hmong, Golden Triangle china white was (see Air America the movie --again.) CIA is like the MAFIA. They take out the competition. The French Connection movie (rent it) was about NY COPS taking out the other exporters, the Corsicans, destroying them so that all ingresses from "made in Asia by Americans , i.e. loyal patriotic dope, sold to American addicts, goes to cia coffers and cia nugan hand BCCI type CIA banks. Thanks to Ronnieís wife nancy, there are less and less addicts every day so no chance CIA wants most of its diminishing dope biz going to competitors! The CIA has been dealing drugs for 52 years with the help of Meyer Lansky's Syndicate, Nixon, the Bush CIA/OIL lineage, and it's rumored with the help of Nixon's pals' Pepsi Cola bottling companies in Vietnam. <http://www.tomdavisbooks.com/library/50yearsciadrug.htmlhttp://www.to mdavisboo ks.com/library/50yearsciadrug.html What happened in New York, is indeed, a terrible act, regardless of whom is responsible. like many webs of deceit, we probably will not know the complete truth until much later. what we do know, is that god allowed it. He is in total control and we must have faith in his judgement. Is america now going to have its wings cut with this assault on innocent, little stone age Afghanistan? These and many other questions will eventually be answered. It is our duty to wait and see the hand of the eternal, and just pray for and seek his protection, mercy, love and deliverance from all that seems to be about to come to pass? are we sure that these NWO types need to rejuggle the borders, organize things, chip us, fiche us? for the right reasons? is it useful to the whole? my spiritual friends say ëeverything that happens is perfect.í My also very spiritual and pragmatic economist friend karl marx said ëmake something better happen than what the men in power are doing for their own solvency. Trickle down is a myth.í So, if this is the truth, what do we do? read up, study. . intelligence gathering should have many inputs. SEND this article or others like it to the news agencies. The information you read at the URLS above may be rejected by a few, brain-washed jerks, and it may be reported to those who take orders from the Nazis BY OTHER JERKS who take orders from the Nazis. But so what? If enough of us share the truth, they don't rap knuckles cuz there are too many knuckles to rap. Surfing to any of these URLS would be a test to see if your head is on your shoulders or if some one else, some robot behind you, is doing your thinking for you. It is quite possible that when you watch CNN and NBC and ABC and even CBS, you are being PLAYED like a lute and led like a rooster in a Tijuana Cockfight into blinding, killing yourself and your sons.. Only by researching can you save your family from being part of this bloody spectacle. Only by using that PC to surf will you save your grandkids from living in a burnt fuel cloud that burns holes in their brain. Only by demanding that Detroit build ALTERNATIVE fuel cars will you save your great grandchildren from death by bullet or tumor. Only by volunteering to drive an alt fueled car will you save your sweet air, your planet's agriculture, your descendants. Only by writing your Congressman and saying it in your own, quiet way in a hard copy letter, (they don't read email!) And while you're at it, drop a note to alt fuel car proponent Ed Begley Jr. at c/o Screen Actors Guild, Sunset Blvd. Hollywood 90028 saying "tell me more, who can I write to for details?" Only then, when you've communicated to your elected officials, can you say that you did your job to keep your children from fighting a decade long war that would kill millions, enrich a few billionaires, poison every nation's air with this demon smog making fossil fuel, which has thrown the planet entirely off kilter so that nothing clean grows here so that your grandchildren starve to death. We are at a precipice. A cliff is before us. Don't leap into war. Our name is not LEMMING. We do not jump foolishly into the void. We are the Humans of Earth. We have a voice. We have the internet. We type. We read. WE WRITE! USE those TALENTS to stop America from going on another stupid, cruel oil war and one based on lies and fraud at that! MainPage http://www.rense.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Dear Michael I think you have covered nearly every conspiracy theory of the last hundred years ! My own opinion is that the US has proper ends but pursues them by very doubtful means .Mussolini ,God bless his soul ,had practically eradicated the Mafia until the OSS enlisted them in the fight against fascism ..Similarly Western countries happily sold Saddam military hardware when Iran went Anti American .Then the Taliban became powerful with American guns and training. Now that the Taliban is the bogey organisation the US happily provides Pakistan with its self appointed president (who overthrew a corrupt but democratically elected government) and the Northern Alliance with military aid .In Sri Lanka the US arms industry sells military hardware to both sides .It can be argued that the ends justifies the means but under the strict laws of karma the means produce an end in themself. So making money on the back of human misery is to be avoided by any sane individual or society . In Srimad Bhagavatam it mentions that when goodness prevails the Demigods become powerful, when passion prevails the demons become powerful and when ignorance prevails the most sinful persons become powerful . Therefore the prevalence of corrupt or wicked leaders all over the world shows there is a great need for an increase in spiritual consciousness . Best Wishes Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Dear Nicholas, I fully agree. But in Kali Yuga to find a genuine sadhu is also very very rare, as I have learned. Best regards, Michael >Dear Michael >I think you have covered nearly every conspiracy theory of the last hundred >years ! > >My own opinion is that the US has proper ends but pursues them by very >doubtful means .Mussolini ,God bless his soul ,had practically eradicated >the Mafia until the OSS enlisted them in the fight against fascism >.Similarly Western countries happily sold Saddam military hardware when Iran >went Anti American .Then the Taliban became powerful with American guns and >training. Now that the Taliban is the bogey organisation the US happily >provides Pakistan with its self appointed president (who overthrew a >corrupt but democratically elected government) and the Northern Alliance >with military aid .In Sri Lanka the US arms industry sells military hardware >to both sides .It can be argued that the ends justifies the means but under >the strict laws of karma the means produce an end in themself. So making >money on the back of human misery is to be avoided by any sane individual or >society . >In Srimad Bhagavatam it mentions that when goodness prevails the Demigods >become powerful, when passion prevails the demons become powerful and when >ignorance prevails the most sinful persons become powerful . Therefore the >prevalence of corrupt or wicked leaders all over the world shows there is a >great need for an increase in spiritual consciousness . > > >Best Wishes >Nicholas > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Dear Michael Even if we cannot find a genuuine sadhu we can help eliminate terror by considering that any animal in the slaughterman's queue probably feels terror seeing his comrades get the chop .By becoming vegetarian we can make our own individual protest against terrorism .Bad leadership draws karmic fuel from the sins of the populace . Light and peace Nicholas > Dear Nicholas, > > I fully agree. But in Kali Yuga to find a genuine sadhu is also very very rare, > as I have learned. > > Best regards, > > Michael > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Bravo!! I must say some one is doing there homework..... That is so refreshing to see, I was becoming worried there...*s* The whole thing was allowed to happen, it is just the kind of event they use as a pretext to further their agenda of greater global control....the few out witting the many through incredible deception..... I can only say thank you for this food for thought... Respectfully, Don - "Michael PDR" <ccc55863 <gjlist> Saturday, October 06, 2001 2:04 AM [gjlist] some food for though Hello jyotish friends, I know this may be long, but nevertheless I think it may be worth to read it and make your independent opinion as the present US/world situation is touching all of us. Michael Tracking The Elusive Truth Commentary Edited by Anita Sands Hernandez astrology 10-5-1 If you were a mystery writer, say, an Agatha Christie chess brain, and were confronted with a pair of corpses, two very tall, well loved, glamorous, American TWINS) , you would review the clues with avidity wouldn't you? If you read every article in cyberspace, you would see, as researchers do, that U.S. spooks knew the two, beautiful twins were a.) scheduled to be offered, and b.) their death by fire would get you so crazy-flag-waving that they could put a long, long war before you and you'd bite down on it, hook and all. The USA, CIA, NSC, Joint Chiefs, George Senior, and Dick Cheney, KNEW the WTC attack was FINALLY, about to happen. You'll see it if you hold the following clues in mind all at once: 1) ECHELON spies gave U.S authorities a 3 month warning of attacks. A German paper reported U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies received warning signals at least three months ago that terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American culture, according to a story in Germany's daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung http://wwwnewsbytes.com 2) The U.S. already in JULY 2001, had planned to attack the Taliban before the WTC/Pentagon attacks: a former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the U.S.A. was planning military action against Osama and the Taliban even before last weekís attacks. Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani foreign secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October. (BBC news 9-18-01) EVIDENCE THAT The USA already planned and attack on the Taliban. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1550000/15503 66.stm This former Paki diplomat told the BBC that the U.S was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban even before last weekís attacks. Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani foreign secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October. Mr Naik said U.S. officials told him of the plan at a U.N. sponsored international, contact group on Afghanistan which took place in Berlin. He told the BBC that at the meeting the us representatives told him that unless Bin Laden was handed over swiftly, America would take military action to kill or capture both Bin Laden and the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar. The wider objective, according to Mr Naik, who is MIND YOU RETIRED and a PAKI, would be to topple the Taliban regime and install a transitional government of moderate (read manageable by US Oil men) Afghans in its place - possibly under the leadership of the former Afghan King Zahir Shah. Mr Naik was told that Washington would launch its operation from bases in Tajikistan, (implying full Ruski cooperation) where American advisers were already in place. He was told that Uzbekistanwould also participate in the operation and that 17,000 Russian troops were on standby to AID IN THIS SEIZURE. (!) (At this point your AGATHA CHRISTIE CUI BONUM machinery starts clicking and you realize that RUSSIA and USA had imperialist aims related to that sand pit, i.e. it was to be pipeline for OIL biz between the new Capitalistniks in the Aparatchik Formerly known as Russia and the combined Bush/Houston/Global Marine, Sta Fe Internat'l cum Kuwait forces, i.e. their brand new corporation, only weeks old, merged September 4th, 2001.) Naik had been told by his contacts that if the military action went ahead it would take place before the snows started falling in Afghanistan, by the middle of October at the latest. He said that he was in no doubt that after the world trade center bombings this pre-existing us plan had been built upon and would be implemented within two or three weeks and he said it was doubtful that Washington would drop its plan even if Bin Laden were to be surrendered immediately by the Taliban. 3.) Russia knew in advance...(obviously, see above) proven by fact IT encouraged citizens to cash out dollars: Russian press accounts and other activities by the russian government this summer indicate that the russians knew in advance that something would happen to america, including a "financial attack" against the u.s. during the past three months, russian media and officials have encouraged citizens to cash out of u.s. dollars pending an economic collapse there after an "attack." http://www/newsmax.com 9-17-01 4) The FBI tracked a PILOT TERRORIST (currently in custody) 2 weeks before attacks: "two weeks before the terrorist attacks in new york city and Washington, D.C., FBI agents were at a flight school in Oklahoma asking questions about a man now suspected of having a link to those attacks", according to CNN. "The fact that FBI agents were at the airman flight school in Norman, Oklahoma, two weeks before any attacks would seem to contradict the agencyís assertion that it was not aware of any connection between aviation schools and suspected terrorists. FBI director Robert Mueller has stated publicly, "there were no warning signs that Iím aware of that would indicate this type of operation in the country," http://cnn.com 9-18-01 somebody is lying! 5) USA pulled plug on 500 Arab/Muslim websites the day before jetliner attacks: five hundred websites - many of them with an arab or muslim connection - crashed when an anti-terrorism task force raided infocom corporation in texas. The 80-strong task force that descended upon the company included FBI agents, secret service agents, diplomatic security agents, tax inspectors, immigration officials, customs officials, department of commerce officials and computer experts. (Brian Whitaker 9-12-01) 6) 6 YEARS AGO, U.S. was warned in 1995 of plot to hijack planes, attack buildings: the FBI was warned of a terrorist plot to hijack commercial planes and slam them into the Pentagon, the CIA headquarters and other buildings, Philippine investigators told CNN just a few days ago. The plan was termed ''Project Bojinka.' (manila, philippines cnn 9-18-01) 7) U.S government had prior knowledge of OSAMA CELLS. As ex CIA chief Stansfield Turner admitted, Oct 3rd, on CNN cable, US/ FBI had prior knowledge of 4 to 6 Bin Laden cells in the USA. That means the cells were completely bugged. Every phone line, every cell phone, every email. Turner said they couldn't move in and arrest them as a.) they'd done nothing illegal, and b.) each man was here LEGALLY. Which brings us to the fact: 8.) INS sold citizenship to terrorists for 6 thousand dollars a piece, as an 'under the table' bribe. There was interest in having these Bin Laden cells 'peopled' or 'filled out, as here inside USA, it was easy to watch and eavesdrop on them. An INS career officer, out of the ORLANDO FLorida INS office, caught and ratted out her bosses for selling citizenship to terrorists. When her bosses abused her, she sued the INS/ USA as a whistleblower and she won in court, a large cash settlement. The INS is currently appealing that decision. She Filed with aid of lawyer Donald Apignani in Florida. During her lawsuit, the INS officer sent all her evidence to John Ashcroft, head man at Dept of Justice, Atty Gen for USA. He did not answer her but sent the whole package back to her bosses. He did not want to know about it. The outraged INS officer woman is suing again in California, and while file any day, now. But let's go back to NUMBER 7, U.S had PRIOR KNOWLEDGE 7.) CONTINUED -FOREIGN SPIES TOLD American CIA that the TERRORIST ATTACK WAS COMING THAT WEEK! That the Sept 11th birthday of ISRAEL might be the day. (72 years ago) Among the foreign intelligence agencies who penetrated the plots were French DEUXIEME BUREAU and ISRAEL'S MOSSAD units of both often working with one another. Foreign intelligence sources confirm the validity of this story and they state that they informed the U.S. Secret police who absolutely failed, neglected, and outright refused to take action as to known prior specifics of which the top-level of the CIA were informed in advance. http://www.skolnicksreport.com 9-13-01 8.) THERE WAS A deliberate leak from a double agent in the White House. Terrorists had ultra secret codes day they attacked WTC and said as much. That they had the secret phones at White House, knew where POTUS was, Air Force One, all reported on http://worldnetdaily.com as well as in all media, Sept 22nd, 2001. 9) DEAD GIVEAWAY in unusual and SUSPICIOUS market activity reported before the attacks: "Chicago traders on Wednesday cited unusual activity in airline options up to a month before 911 emergency and German bankers reported brisk activity in Reinsurer Munich adding to speculation that those behind the attacks tried to profit from their acts. (Reuters 9-20-01) How come everyone knew this was going to happen? Why would the USA. refuse to investigate when told, unless it was their own plan all along? FDR knew of Japanís coming attack on Pearl Harbor. It certainly appears that the USA/ NWO/ CIA /NSC NSA Secret White house elite who govern US backed by OLIGARCHS, BANKERS, knew in advance that a great catastrophe was about to occur on American soil and did absolutely nothing in order to prevent it. What could have been done? Plenty. For starters, weapon-seeking X-ray security at all airports could have been beefed up. Air bases could have been put on alert. Planes should have been airborne upon the first indication of a hijacking. as it was, these hijacked planes were in the air for as much as a 30 minutes or more, after being hijacked and diverted, and yet totally unchallenged by military aircraft. At best, this was totally inept; and at worst, stinks of collusion. There are many, many unanswered questions concerning the collapse of the towers. For example, why did the towers collapse? many engineers have stated that they were built to withstand an aircraft hit, and also to endure temperatures of 2,000 degrees. in addition, why did the south tower fall first, considering that it was hit by the second aircraft? CBC news replayed an ABC interview with two American heroes that rescued a handicapped person in the north tower. they said that while leaving the tower, they heard an explosion, turned around and saw the tower collapsing, and then ran for their lives. The question is: what explosion? the first tower was hit an hour and 45 minutes before this explosion, therefore, it could not have been from the jet fuel. Another quote from the same article previously mentioned: why did the towers implode instead of explode? The towers came down as gracefully as a fountain of water. "too methodical to be a chance result of airplanes colliding with the structures" said Van Romero, vice president for research at New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology. "My opinion is that after the airplanes hit the world trade center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse," romero said. romero is a former director of the energetic materials research and testing center at tech, which studies explosive materials and the effects of explosions on buildings, aircraft and other structures. The towers imploded! they did not explode! a fuel fire causes an explosion, not an implosion. explosions explode out. implosions, implode in! implosions can only occur with immense planning by a highly skilled group of craftsmen educated in the unique skill of demolishing buildings by strategically placing explosive devices within the building. this requires many experts, much time and significant access to the building beforehand. the skill of implosion of buildings was developed primarily to demolish buildings in areas of high building density, so the destruction of the structure will not cause damage to the surrounding buildings. in addition, the towers came down long after the planes struck. It is ludicrous to suggest that fuel dumping from the airplanes caused a fire hot enough to melt the inner structure first of all, who can prove the planes dumped all of their fuel into the core of the building? second, why did the fuel take so long to catch fire? third, fuel-fires cause explosions, not implosions! fourth, the structure was built to withstand temperatures of 2000 degrees fahrenheit, according to the architect and designer of the building, a man who is now deceased, but who preserved this nugget of information in an interview he recorded in 1998. Hyman Brown, a university of colorado civil engineering professor and the world trade centerís construction manager, watched in confusion as the towers came down. "it was over-designed to withstand almost anything including hurricanes, high winds, bombings and an airplane hitting it," he said. (Scripps Howard news service 9-11,01 and 9-12-01)So, why was it necessary to implode the whole structure? to eliminate evidence, just as was done to the Murrah building in Oklahoma City, before the forensic specialists could get in to examine the evidence. Just like the branch davidian compound at Waco was bulldozed by the government before any evidence could be examined. And the expert hired to look at 'flashes' caught on video who told his friends that flashes proved FBI shot every child that tried to get outÖ. that man was himself killed, the day before he was to testify to Congress. Conclusion: this was a highly skilled endeavor by a large group of well-trained people with access to the buildings, the airplanes and the explosives. they would have had to blend into the population and not look suspicious. and the bldgs in question had, a few weeks earlier, been sold BY GOV to Mr. Silverstein. NYC previously owned them (read Chase Manhattan Bank, and Citibank and those two together ARE the IMF..) Poor Mr Silverstein was 3.2 billion short and STEPFATHER BANK was out from under. Look on the Bright Side Mr. Silverstein. Not many renters get a chance to rebuild on the spot with the IMF financing them. Demolition was cheap! a few sticks of dynamite here, there. You still have a hundred year lease.... The real question is when it comes to downing two skyscrapers, who would have these qualifications? certainly not a group of Arab "terrorists" who bungled the l993 bombing and got caught. Who gained from these attacks? Not terrorists, not Al-Qaeda. It was the plantary oligarchs that let the terrorists have 'count that little coup', indulged them their one ugly, 15 minutes of fame as they needed AMERICANS TO START FOAMING FOR WAR. Now the Middle East has the wrath of the American eagle descending upon them. What Stone age sand flea in his right mind would want that? Houston had to do it. They were essentially drillers without fields. Pity the poor oligarchs, a plantary economy in deep recession. We weren't buying their stuff (snuffle, sniff) Oligarchs with nowhere to invest. That's how recessions start. When the POOR don't open their wallet, then the rich can't either. Instead of concentrating on the terrorists, take a good look at what was transpiring in the USA and what can be extrapolated from it. They were like Godzillas feasting on our productivity. They took away our factories and salaries and still hoped we'd buy cars. We couldn't. What can they do with a trillion Fords that break down at l00,000 miles and are overpriced when Koreans can make a car that works? SELL US A WAR is what! PART II. What else has happened since the attacks? 1) the population has been in one moment, prepared psychologically and economically, for a long term war where the number of U.S.. casualties will be high (Washington Post online September 21, 2001). 2) Bush created a new office of "homeland security" (read SS, ) supposedly to protect Americans from attack. The job would involve coordination of government-wide domestic security efforts, including meshing domestic FBI, and foreign CIA intelligence, working alongside US. military, emergency officials and state and local governments. Wanna bet that this new, patriotic homeland defense position will probably not need senate confirmation, which other cabinet jobs require, nor legislation to create" white house officials said. so there will be no investigation, oversight nor accountability for this group's actions. An abrogation of our Constitution. (Reuters - Washington 9-21-01) 3) U.S. orders 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine for $343 million in preparation for a possible bioterrorism assault. the contract has been given to a small, cambridge-based firm Acambis, a British biotechnology company who reported a net loss of $8 million in the six months prior to June 30, unchanged from last year. (how convenient to get this huge order! It would be interesting to find the crony-ism involved, here.) (Reuters news, London 9-20-01) And the media is blaring everywhere about anthrax, small box, Saran gas, preparing the population to expect bio-terrorism. 4) America and Britain are co-producing secret plans to launch a ten year "war on terrorism" - Operation Noble Eagle - involving a completely new military and diplomatic strategy to eliminate terrorist networks and cells around the world." (The Times -London 9-20-01). 5) The American Senate already OKAYED the FBI spying on the internet: fbi agents soon will be able to spy on internet users legally without a court order. Two days after the terrorist attack, the senate approved the "combating terrorism act of 2001" which enhances police wiretap powers and permits monitoring in more situations. the fbiís surveillance system is called carnivore. (Lycos network 9-20-01) 6) The U.S. plans to overthrow taliban and put Afghanistan under United Nations control, according to The Manchester Guardian - London (9-21-01) note: Yugoslavia is already under U.N. control. 7) A global surveillance system known as echelon exists and has the ability to eavesdrop on telephone calls, faxes and e-mail messages. Face-id technology gains new support. "State lawmakers who were planning to sponsor legislation restricting its use now say they are reassessing their plans." (Denver Post Capitol Bureau, 9-20-01) 9) "Experts see a high-security america of surveillance & seizures": new york: security experts in the united states are describing a new kind of country that could emerge, where electronic identification might become the norm, immigrants might be tracked far more closely and the airspace over cities like new york and washington might be off-limits to all civilian aircraft." (the nternational herald tribune 9-19-01) more surveillance of u.s. citizens. 10) "Lawmakers see need to loosen rules on CIA" Congressional leaders, who oversee the nationís intelligence system (yeah right!) have concluded that americaís spy agencies should be allowed to combat terrorism with more aggressive tactics, including the hiring of unsavory foreign agents, including revived discussion of reversing the us 25 year ban on using covert agents to assassinate foreigners. R. James Woolsey, the former director of the CIA said that "Washington has absolutely undergone a change in thinking this week." (New York Times, 9-16-01) So what we're getting for our intelligence nickle is a dime's worth of surveillance of u.s.citizens! 11) NATO announces a third world war is almost upon us. A Pentagon spokesman hinted towards potential targets being Libya, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, north korea, Syria and others. (NATO secretary-general lord Robertson) 12) California congresswoman, Mary Bono, R-Palm Springs warned that the country should prepare for a fight against international terrorists that will likely include personal sacrifice, the use of ground troops overseas and the risk of retaliation against civilians by the enemy. she alsopredicts intense scrutiny of airline passengers, a national system of fingerprinting and identification cards and the spectre of chemical and biological attacks on the u.s. (the Desert Sun 9-18-01) 13) An enemy is needed to justify a $344 billion war budget, when the federal government currently spends only $42 billion on education, $26 billion on affordable housing and bizarrely low, $1 billion on school construction. 14) President Bush sent his anti-terrorism bill to Congress one week after the WTC/Pentagon attack, launching an emotional debate that will force u.s. politicians to choose between continued freedom for americans or greater security. (Lycos network 9-20-01) does anybody know how long it takes to write one of these bills? it takes months! they are hundreds of pages long. this one was obviously written before the attack! how convenient! wake up America! 15) "President Bush focused his energy on building a global alliance for a fight against terrorism..." (MSNBC 9-18-01) here comes the new world order! 1984! 16) fast-moving house bill restricts liberties - much of it unrelated to terrorism! congress is being asked to rush to pass emergency anti-terrorist legislation written by the department of justice, but much of the legislation turns out to have nothing to do with fighting terrorism. instead, the legislation contains a host of items which have been on the bureaucratic wish lists for many years. 17) "we must ignore the peace lobby and show no restraint" says the Independent (hardly!)- London (9-24-01) 1 bush suspends habeas corpus: legal immigrants may be held without cause: "the bush administration today announced it is using its powers under the national emergency act to suspend the right of habeas corpus for all immigrants in the country, including legal immigrants, meaning that any immigrant in the u.s. right now can be held indefinitely by the police or government without trial or demonstration of cause to hold them." and daily on the tv they talk of putting chips in us so we can be identified, ostensibly so no Arab can steal our identity. They want us to have our true identity! though no one has yet suggested infringing the rights of U.S. citizens, the move is a frightening first step to a national tyranny, based on perpetual suspension of the constitution in the name of fighting perpetual war." l984 came, l7 years LATE. 19) President bush has agreed to bail out the airlines with billions of dollars, an industry that was swimming in red ink long before the wtc/pentagon attacks. It is obvious to anyone who has eyes to see, and ears to hear, that American citizens are going to lose their freedom. the process has already begun. eventually the entire world will lose theirs as well. Consider for a moment, the national I.D.card that is being proposed. Like any passport it could be counterfeited. A national ID card can only be concluded as the logical first step. when it is acknowledged, as not accomplishing its task, and then, guess what's waiting in the wings? A switch to micro chip technology would be sought as the only viable solution. 666 I believe the bible prophecy freaks call it. It means that you can wear a chip in your butt just like your Dalmation. When you have surfed around there, and read just a few articles, youíll be ready to play this Agatha Christie Solve the Mystery of who killed the Big Twins game, armed with the following secret maps I'm going to give you of what you should be seeking, searching out... 1.) FOREIGN ALLIES. What if IQ 80 Bush Jr. really had no idea that the terrorists were coming. (cough!). Very unlikely as we have seen but what if there was actually a nation state that did this as a covert military action. Someone behind Osama. Someone running him. Who might that be? http://www.morphmaster.com/binladen.htm (surf there). Who was close to Osama in his lifetime? Someone was running him before or after the USA ran him in the 80's. Reporters who know him say heís a happy space case dunce. Kind of like our old friend Lee Harvey Oswald whose last words alive were ' I'm a Patsy.' In another famous, CIA/OSS/SS action called the JFK HIT. It took a team of sharp shooters on the GrassyKnoll to take out JFK. Look at the Twins Murder. It was was waaaay too organized. The terrorists are said to have spoken German. Residents there for a long time, maybe? What German Terrorist movements exists full of ex nazi handlers who work the local natives aligned with a faction of the ancient Teutonic OSS/ CIA/ SS? Working the European end of the street on behalf of the Planet's mega oligarchs, the Cash numero unos of the planet? Who but a devious Dr. Strangelove Mastermind could have created a German based Arab branch of the Meiner Badhof gang? You do know that after WWII, half the SS was moved to Langley, the other half stayed in Europe to watch the Commies. The NWO CIA has had ex nazis running its think tanks since '45.. Next, SO WHAT if they had Arab names? They still could be GERMANIFIED Arabs. In Germany, having an Arab is like having a Rottweiler. Maybe the poor Arabs are patsies. Maybe the Taliban was a kind of red herring bacteria allowed to grow rife through the middle east so that the Nazi/ NWO OPEC CIA could demonstrate it was high time for Sulfa. It was warrented and they should be allowed to bring in the bleach. Why did IQ 80's handlers take out 6k people and blame the Stone Age Al-Qaeda? What did they stand to gain if Arabs were implicated? OK. Think back. What did Hitler gain when he got people to believe that THREE DEAD POLACKS he'd dressed up in GERMAN uniforms were HIS OWN GERMAN BOYS, 'attacked on the border by Nasty old Poland' in 1939? He got to have WWII making his handlers happy. What did Lyndon Johnson gain when he made it seem that a simple lightning strike on the high seas was a VIET CONG attack on US Battleships? Answer: He got to send US soldiers to Nam. (before only instructors were there, it was a local civil war, remember?) Then Lyndon was trying to nab the richest oil field of planet which is right off shore south of Nam for his Handlers. The Seven SISTERS wanted that war. Dutch Petroleum, Mobil, Exon, Shell, etc.. The Commander of that American battleship later said it was just lightning flashes. Said so in his bio! 56,000 American lives later. And what did FDR get when he let Japs bomb Hawaii? To get his peacenik people to go to a EUROPEAN war! So here, 2001, what's the cui bonum and in whose lap do the cui bonum goodies possibly land? Follow the money trail of the future. Sniff the air blowing down upon your sons and daughters. What are the other possible future scenarios and cui bonums of re-zoning the mideast into Exxonia? Mobilia? Instead of Iraq and Iran? DIRTY AIR is what. Our babies dying of cancer of the lungs, tumors in the brain as every Chinaman gets a Ford. They want to sell us cars and gasoline forever. We can run fine on electric cars, ask Ed Begley Jr. but they want us in hock to the company store. Now that sounds pretty venal (of them, not me. I'm just reporting it) but why else would they risk throwing planet into war? Is there anything else they might want over there? Goats? Harem girl with cymbals? Camels? NO. OIL and only OIL. And where is it? IN THE CASPIAN. Russia has it. That's why RUSSIA is in on this. She is selling us the oil, she is drilling it. she enters the world economy and only this war gets her in. (Heck, every war does!) I say let her in, but let her sell us Russian art, fur coats, electric cars, anything but OIL to befoul the planet's air with fuel! FOSSIL FUEL is sheer poison! Ten possible reasons why the rich and greedy would commit, or allow the commission of the crimes in new york and d.c. and blame the taliban: 1.) Prior to sept. 11, 2001: (1) the world was about to enter a deep recession/depression because the super rich could not find a single thing worth investing in. They had tried everything, moved factories to the third world, paying a dollar a day salaries, which threw US citizens out of work. They build/ tried to sell cheaper washingmachines and cars, but as Marx predicted, at that point, NOBODY anywhere could afford them. Sales slowed to a trickle. The rich pulled their money out of everything! They recognized the stock market was bogus. They had to regroup. Depression is when the people stop buying, as they are in debt. That debt is a result of high prices, low wages, the growing inequities, the lack of the ëfamedí Keynesian "trickle down" and the gross exploitation of labor in the USA and all over the world. 2.) Create an enemy to take the heat. Destruction of the WTC gives the appearance that this phenomenon is the result of the "terrorists" attack. it makes hungry, angry disenfranchised, 'outcrowd' third worlders, who ëwonít work their way up in the world, seem puny, jealous, miserable, backbiting and makes all those who may inwardly also be a little jealous of wealth guilty and quiet. 4.) The wtc property was sold only two weeks before the atack by the INTERNATIONAL MONEY FUND, (Chase manhattan, Citibank and the ostensible 'owner', the Port Authority of NYC who all together HAD owned the twin towers. They sold for 3.2 billion, a huge profit by the way, for an Eco-disaster bldg that every Arab psychopath was KNOWN to be targeting...! And they sold it to an individual, Silverstein. The ultimate pig in a poke! The property was 30 years old, (from time of opening) and in need of millions of dollars in renovation and repairs. 5.) the airline industry was about to go bankrupt due to mismanagement, high fuel costs and simply having too many planes for the declining passenger volume. now they can blame their troubles on the wtc attack and get billions of dollars in government bail-out cash. (6) George Dubya, IQ 80, and his Dad's friends in the Houston oil community had just consummated the biggest merger of oil related businesses ever, with 3 partners. First, kuwait as a 17% partner, next, cia propriatary global marine, and third, houston based sta fe petrol, all of career CIA guy Bush Sr's oil pals. A war on the arabs might well put them in a position to confiscate many oilfields and other minerals in the middle east, turn Afghanistan to toast, so they can lay pipes wall to wall and get the huge ruski oil deposits to the saudis for processing. (7) The "military-industrial complex" Ike warned us about cannott make their huge profits on weapons and other war related hardware without a war and the army can't make fruit salad for its bosom without war. 8.) Thereís nothing like a "good" war to rally the misinformed public around the corrupt and fraudulent government, taking the focus off of all of the stupidity, criminal conduct and immorality of so many of the "honorable gentlemen" in congress and the other branches of government. 9.) There is nothing in the social security and medicare trusts except i.o.u's from THE USA to its people. the money was spent long ago, and thereís no way that theretirement and medical needs of the "baby-boomers" can be funded. a huge, drawn out war will provide an excuse as to why the money is gone, ie. to pay for the war. (more lies) 10.) Taliban heroin isn't controlled by CIA the way Burma, Thai, Laotian Hmong, Golden Triangle china white was (see Air America the movie --again.) CIA is like the MAFIA. They take out the competition. The French Connection movie (rent it) was about NY COPS taking out the other exporters, the Corsicans, destroying them so that all ingresses from "made in Asia by Americans , i.e. loyal patriotic dope, sold to American addicts, goes to cia coffers and cia nugan hand BCCI type CIA banks. Thanks to Ronnieís wife nancy, there are less and less addicts every day so no chance CIA wants most of its diminishing dope biz going to competitors! The CIA has been dealing drugs for 52 years with the help of Meyer Lansky's Syndicate, Nixon, the Bush CIA/OIL lineage, and it's rumored with the help of Nixon's pals' Pepsi Cola bottling companies in Vietnam. <http://www.tomdavisbooks.com/library/50yearsciadrug.htmlhttp://www.to mdavisboo ks.com/library/50yearsciadrug.html What happened in New York, is indeed, a terrible act, regardless of whom is responsible. like many webs of deceit, we probably will not know the complete truth until much later. what we do know, is that god allowed it. He is in total control and we must have faith in his judgement. Is america now going to have its wings cut with this assault on innocent, little stone age Afghanistan? These and many other questions will eventually be answered. It is our duty to wait and see the hand of the eternal, and just pray for and seek his protection, mercy, love and deliverance from all that seems to be about to come to pass? are we sure that these NWO types need to rejuggle the borders, organize things, chip us, fiche us? for the right reasons? is it useful to the whole? my spiritual friends say ëeverything that happens is perfect.í My also very spiritual and pragmatic economist friend karl marx said ëmake something better happen than what the men in power are doing for their own solvency. Trickle down is a myth.í So, if this is the truth, what do we do? read up, study. . intelligence gathering should have many inputs. SEND this article or others like it to the news agencies. The information you read at the URLS above may be rejected by a few, brain-washed jerks, and it may be reported to those who take orders from the Nazis BY OTHER JERKS who take orders from the Nazis. But so what? If enough of us share the truth, they don't rap knuckles cuz there are too many knuckles to rap. Surfing to any of these URLS would be a test to see if your head is on your shoulders or if some one else, some robot behind you, is doing your thinking for you. It is quite possible that when you watch CNN and NBC and ABC and even CBS, you are being PLAYED like a lute and led like a rooster in a Tijuana Cockfight into blinding, killing yourself and your sons.. Only by researching can you save your family from being part of this bloody spectacle. Only by using that PC to surf will you save your grandkids from living in a burnt fuel cloud that burns holes in their brain. Only by demanding that Detroit build ALTERNATIVE fuel cars will you save your great grandchildren from death by bullet or tumor. Only by volunteering to drive an alt fueled car will you save your sweet air, your planet's agriculture, your descendants. Only by writing your Congressman and saying it in your own, quiet way in a hard copy letter, (they don't read email!) And while you're at it, drop a note to alt fuel car proponent Ed Begley Jr. at c/o Screen Actors Guild, Sunset Blvd. Hollywood 90028 saying "tell me more, who can I write to for details?" Only then, when you've communicated to your elected officials, can you say that you did your job to keep your children from fighting a decade long war that would kill millions, enrich a few billionaires, poison every nation's air with this demon smog making fossil fuel, which has thrown the planet entirely off kilter so that nothing clean grows here so that your grandchildren starve to death. We are at a precipice. A cliff is before us. Don't leap into war. Our name is not LEMMING. We do not jump foolishly into the void. We are the Humans of Earth. We have a voice. We have the internet. We type. We read. WE WRITE! USE those TALENTS to stop America from going on another stupid, cruel oil war and one based on lies and fraud at that! MainPage http://www.rense.com gjlist- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Dear Nicholas Nicely said!!! I wholeheartedly agree. I cannot believe that compassionate, intelligent people still eat animal meat when they understand the slaughterhouse reality. It is truly terrorism at its base level. Why is it so awful when humans get killed, and yet ok for billions of animals to get raised simply for the purpose of feeding our sensual appetites? Sorry for the soapbox. It just sickens me. Marcia At 06:03 AM 10/7/01 +1000, you wrote: >Dear Michael >Even if we cannot find a genuuine sadhu we can help eliminate terror by >considering that any animal in the slaughterman's queue probably feels >terror seeing his comrades get the chop .By becoming vegetarian we can make >our own individual protest against terrorism .Bad leadership draws karmic >fuel from the sins of the populace . >Light and peace >Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Dear Michael, Excellent article. Dear Nicholas, >It can be argued that the ends justifies the means but under the >strict laws of karma the means produce an end in themself. So making >money on the back of human misery is to be avoided by any sane >individual or society . Good Point. Best Regards, Venkat > In Srimad Bhagavatam it mentions that when goodness prevails the Demigods > become powerful, when passion prevails the demons become powerful and when > ignorance prevails the most sinful persons become powerful . Therefore the > prevalence of corrupt or wicked leaders all over the world shows there is a > great need for an increase in spiritual consciousness . > > > Best Wishes > Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 What does anyone think about fish? It is still flesh, but considered semi-vegetarian. I eat salmon every day - I feel so healthy. I would hate to have to give it up - but am anxious to hear opinions of what is proper. Julia - "Marcia" <marcia <gjlist> Saturday, October 06, 2001 10:42 PM Re: [gjlist] some food for though > Dear Nicholas > Nicely said!!! > I wholeheartedly agree. > I cannot believe that compassionate, intelligent people still eat animal meat > when they understand the slaughterhouse reality. > It is truly terrorism at its base level. > Why is it so awful when humans get killed, and yet > ok for billions of animals to get raised simply for the > purpose of feeding our sensual appetites? > Sorry for the soapbox. > It just sickens me. > Marcia > > > At 06:03 AM 10/7/01 +1000, you wrote: > >Dear Michael > >Even if we cannot find a genuuine sadhu we can help eliminate terror by > >considering that any animal in the slaughterman's queue probably feels > >terror seeing his comrades get the chop .By becoming vegetarian we can make > >our own individual protest against terrorism .Bad leadership draws karmic > >fuel from the sins of the populace . > >Light and peace > >Nicholas > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 Dear Julia, hmm, you induced fuzziness in Vegetarianism. semi, 10% Non Veg, 20% Non Veg, x percent Non Veg:-) Best Regards, Venkat > What does anyone think about fish? It is still flesh, but > considered semi-vegetarian. I eat salmon every day - I feel so > healthy. I would hate to have to give it up - but am anxious to > hear opinions of what is proper. > Julia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 Dear Julia Fish have a somewhat developed nervous system so better to go without and save them distress .Such foods are also in lower modes and are not conducive to higher consciousness . Nicholas - "Julia Swanson" <juliaswanson1 <gjlist> Sunday, October 07, 2001 2:47 PM Re: [gjlist] some food for though > What does anyone think about fish? It is still flesh, but considered > semi-vegetarian. I eat salmon every day - I feel so healthy. I would hate > to have to give it up - but am anxious to hear opinions of what is proper. > Julia > > > - > "Marcia" <marcia > <gjlist> > Saturday, October 06, 2001 10:42 PM > Re: [gjlist] some food for though > > > > Dear Nicholas > > Nicely said!!! > > I wholeheartedly agree. > > I cannot believe that compassionate, intelligent people still eat animal > meat > > when they understand the slaughterhouse reality. > > It is truly terrorism at its base level. > > Why is it so awful when humans get killed, and yet > > ok for billions of animals to get raised simply for the > > purpose of feeding our sensual appetites? > > Sorry for the soapbox. > > It just sickens me. > > Marcia > > > > > > At 06:03 AM 10/7/01 +1000, you wrote: > > >Dear Michael > > >Even if we cannot find a genuuine sadhu we can help eliminate terror by > > >considering that any animal in the slaughterman's queue probably feels > > >terror seeing his comrades get the chop .By becoming vegetarian we can > make > > >our own individual protest against terrorism .Bad leadership draws karmic > > >fuel from the sins of the populace . > > >Light and peace > > >Nicholas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 Hi, The discussion abt Vegetarianism vs. non-Vegetarianism is an ongoing one. I myself am a total veggie. but arent we missing a point? For non-veg people, not going to the butcher shop is like avoiding the resposibility of the act of killing... and coming to veggies... yes... they do not eat living/killed animal.. but at the same time hurt people in a lot of ways... as i said, the concept of veg vs. non.veg needs to be seen in a new light. the fact remains that we need to be aware of our thought process than to get slotted in categories. This is my personal opinion. Pranam. Hari gjlist, "Venkateshwara A Reddy" <venkateshwara_reddy> wrote: > Dear Julia, > hmm, you induced fuzziness in Vegetarianism. > > semi, 10% Non Veg, 20% Non Veg, x percent Non Veg:-) > > Best Regards, Venkat > > > > > > What does anyone think about fish? It is still flesh, but > > considered semi-vegetarian. I eat salmon every day - I feel so > > healthy. I would hate to have to give it up - but am anxious to > > hear opinions of what is proper. > > Julia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 Thank you, Nicholas. This makes a lot of sense to me. I plan to start addressing this. I have always worried about the sensitivity of fish.- especially as a Pisces navamsha lagna! Julia - "Nicholas" <costa <gjlist> Sunday, October 07, 2001 4:54 AM Re: [gjlist] some food for though > Dear Julia > Fish have a somewhat developed nervous system so better to go without and > save them distress .Such foods are also in lower modes and are not conducive > to higher consciousness . > Nicholas > - > "Julia Swanson" <juliaswanson1 > <gjlist> > Sunday, October 07, 2001 2:47 PM > Re: [gjlist] some food for though > > > > What does anyone think about fish? It is still flesh, but considered > > semi-vegetarian. I eat salmon every day - I feel so healthy. I would > hate > > to have to give it up - but am anxious to hear opinions of what is proper. > > Julia > > > > > > - > > "Marcia" <marcia > > <gjlist> > > Saturday, October 06, 2001 10:42 PM > > Re: [gjlist] some food for though > > > > > > > Dear Nicholas > > > Nicely said!!! > > > I wholeheartedly agree. > > > I cannot believe that compassionate, intelligent people still eat animal > > meat > > > when they understand the slaughterhouse reality. > > > It is truly terrorism at its base level. > > > Why is it so awful when humans get killed, and yet > > > ok for billions of animals to get raised simply for the > > > purpose of feeding our sensual appetites? > > > Sorry for the soapbox. > > > It just sickens me. > > > Marcia > > > > > > > > > At 06:03 AM 10/7/01 +1000, you wrote: > > > >Dear Michael > > > >Even if we cannot find a genuuine sadhu we can help eliminate terror by > > > >considering that any animal in the slaughterman's queue probably feels > > > >terror seeing his comrades get the chop .By becoming vegetarian we can > > make > > > >our own individual protest against terrorism .Bad leadership draws > karmic > > > >fuel from the sins of the populace . > > > >Light and peace > > > >Nicholas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 hare krishna basically, vegetarians don't eat anything with a face...eating fish of any kind is not considered to be vegetarian..not by vaisnavas anyway... please kindly read srila prabhupada's books for further clarification stavavali devi dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 Dear Hari, > yes... they do not eat living/killed animal.. but at the same time > hurt people in a lot of ways... as i said, the concept of veg vs. > non.veg needs to be seen in a new light. Hurting and Killing are not at all equal :-) Best Regards, Venkat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 Thanks Das for your thoughts. Just to clarify, to everyone, my words were not generated to disrespect people that eat meat. Karma is karma...and people follow their karma. What is harder to understand is how people get so horrified at terrorism geared towards humans, but don't even notice how humans terrorize other creatures on a daily level. Its just hard to grok. Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 Aum Gurave Namah! Dear Julia I am there in this list for quite some time, however this is the first time I got something to write. I liked many intricate and thought provoking discussions here both by the stalwarts like Das Goravani, Robert, Wendy and beginners as well... In hindu philosophy we don't have anything like vegetarian and non vegetarian however we do have food categorised based on the Gunas, the Sattwa, Rajas and Tamas. Sattwa can be analogous to vegetarian food of the west, however we do have plant products such as onion and garlic which are considered non-sattwik (non-vegetarian).... This classification is based on the effect of these food on the mind. Sattwa give serenity and mental bliss, this also gives steadyness of mind. Rajasik food gives a lot of energy (fire) and mind gets exited soon. Tamasic food increases lazyness and lethargy, this also traps a person in ignorance. Generally people like foods based on their inherent nature. Also otherwise, eating habits can also shape the mental temperament.. Regards Sarajit - "Julia Swanson" <juliaswanson1 <gjlist> Sunday, October 07, 2001 8:48 PM Re: [gjlist] some food for though > Thank you, Nicholas. This makes a lot of sense to me. I plan to start > addressing this. I have always worried about the sensitivity of fish.- > especially as a Pisces navamsha lagna! > Julia > > - > "Nicholas" <costa > <gjlist> > Sunday, October 07, 2001 4:54 AM > Re: [gjlist] some food for though > > > > Dear Julia > > Fish have a somewhat developed nervous system so better to go without and > > save them distress .Such foods are also in lower modes and are not > conducive > > to higher consciousness . > > Nicholas > > - > > "Julia Swanson" <juliaswanson1 > > <gjlist> > > Sunday, October 07, 2001 2:47 PM > > Re: [gjlist] some food for though > > > > > > > What does anyone think about fish? It is still flesh, but considered > > > semi-vegetarian. I eat salmon every day - I feel so healthy. I would > > hate > > > to have to give it up - but am anxious to hear opinions of what is > proper. > > > Julia > > > > > > > > > - > > > "Marcia" <marcia > > > <gjlist> > > > Saturday, October 06, 2001 10:42 PM > > > Re: [gjlist] some food for though > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nicholas > > > > Nicely said!!! > > > > I wholeheartedly agree. > > > > I cannot believe that compassionate, intelligent people still eat > animal > > > meat > > > > when they understand the slaughterhouse reality. > > > > It is truly terrorism at its base level. > > > > Why is it so awful when humans get killed, and yet > > > > ok for billions of animals to get raised simply for the > > > > purpose of feeding our sensual appetites? > > > > Sorry for the soapbox. > > > > It just sickens me. > > > > Marcia > > > > > > > > > > > > At 06:03 AM 10/7/01 +1000, you wrote: > > > > >Dear Michael > > > > >Even if we cannot find a genuuine sadhu we can help eliminate terror > by > > > > >considering that any animal in the slaughterman's queue probably > feels > > > > >terror seeing his comrades get the chop .By becoming vegetarian we > can > > > make > > > > >our own individual protest against terrorism .Bad leadership draws > > karmic > > > > >fuel from the sins of the populace . > > > > >Light and peace > > > > >Nicholas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 Thank you so much, Sarajit, for this thoughtful reply. In context, this is really helpful to me. It is so simple. I appreciate having this come up now. Thanks again, Julia - "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajitp <gjlist> Monday, October 08, 2001 7:03 AM Re: [gjlist] some food for though > Aum Gurave Namah! > Dear Julia > > I am there in this list for quite some time, however this is the first time > I got something to write. I liked many intricate and thought provoking > discussions here both by the stalwarts like Das Goravani, Robert, Wendy and > beginners as well... > > In hindu philosophy we don't have anything like vegetarian and non > vegetarian however we do have food categorised based on the Gunas, the > Sattwa, Rajas and Tamas. Sattwa can be analogous to vegetarian food of the > west, however we do have plant products such as onion and garlic which are > considered non-sattwik (non-vegetarian).... This classification is based on > the effect of these food on the mind. Sattwa give serenity and mental bliss, > this also gives steadyness of mind. Rajasik food gives a lot of energy > (fire) and mind gets exited soon. Tamasic food increases lazyness and > lethargy, this also traps a person in ignorance. Generally people like foods > based on their inherent nature. Also otherwise, eating habits can also shape > the mental temperament.. > > Regards > Sarajit > > - > "Julia Swanson" <juliaswanson1 > <gjlist> > Sunday, October 07, 2001 8:48 PM > Re: [gjlist] some food for though > > > > Thank you, Nicholas. This makes a lot of sense to me. I plan to start > > addressing this. I have always worried about the sensitivity of fish.- > > especially as a Pisces navamsha lagna! > > Julia > > > > - > > "Nicholas" <costa > > <gjlist> > > Sunday, October 07, 2001 4:54 AM > > Re: [gjlist] some food for though > > > > > > > Dear Julia > > > Fish have a somewhat developed nervous system so better to go without > and > > > save them distress .Such foods are also in lower modes and are not > > conducive > > > to higher consciousness . > > > Nicholas > > > - > > > "Julia Swanson" <juliaswanson1 > > > <gjlist> > > > Sunday, October 07, 2001 2:47 PM > > > Re: [gjlist] some food for though > > > > > > > > > > What does anyone think about fish? It is still flesh, but considered > > > > semi-vegetarian. I eat salmon every day - I feel so healthy. I would > > > hate > > > > to have to give it up - but am anxious to hear opinions of what is > > proper. > > > > Julia > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > "Marcia" <marcia > > > > <gjlist> > > > > Saturday, October 06, 2001 10:42 PM > > > > Re: [gjlist] some food for though > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nicholas > > > > > Nicely said!!! > > > > > I wholeheartedly agree. > > > > > I cannot believe that compassionate, intelligent people still eat > > animal > > > > meat > > > > > when they understand the slaughterhouse reality. > > > > > It is truly terrorism at its base level. > > > > > Why is it so awful when humans get killed, and yet > > > > > ok for billions of animals to get raised simply for the > > > > > purpose of feeding our sensual appetites? > > > > > Sorry for the soapbox. > > > > > It just sickens me. > > > > > Marcia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 06:03 AM 10/7/01 +1000, you wrote: > > > > > >Dear Michael > > > > > >Even if we cannot find a genuuine sadhu we can help eliminate > terror > > by > > > > > >considering that any animal in the slaughterman's queue probably > > feels > > > > > >terror seeing his comrades get the chop .By becoming vegetarian we > > can > > > > make > > > > > >our own individual protest against terrorism .Bad leadership draws > > > karmic > > > > > >fuel from the sins of the populace . > > > > > >Light and peace > > > > > >Nicholas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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