Guest guest Posted October 12, 2001 Report Share Posted October 12, 2001 Dear List Members By Krsna's arrangement Srila Prabhupada gave us a birth time which clearly gave Capricorn Lagna (remember also that the whole science of muhurta is based on destined times i.e as astrologers 4 o clock is the time we are destined to receive) By Krsna's arrangement this Lagna gave extraordinarily predictive success By Krsna's arrangement someone swung the Lagna to Sagittarius during Srila Prabhupada's lifetime By Krsna's arrangement this person met with predictive failure . Thtere is no adquate rationale for changing the Lagna and trying to supercede Krsna's plans , Hare Krsna Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2001 Report Share Posted October 12, 2001 Dear List Members By Krsna's arrangement Srila Prabhupada gave us a birth time which clearly gave Capricorn Lagna (remember also that the whole science of prasna is based on destined times i.e as astrologers 4 o clock is the time we are destined to receive) By Krsna's arrangement this Lagna gave extraordinarily predictive success By Krsna's arrangement someone swung the Lagna to Sagittarius during Srila Prabhupada's lifetime By Krsna's arrangement this person met with predictive failure . There is no adquate rationale for changing the Lagna and trying to supercede Krsna's plans , This emphasis on technical brilliance and total neglect of higher control disturbs me . Hare Krsna Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2001 Report Share Posted October 12, 2001 The event of Prabhupada leaving his homeland is significant.This happened sometime between 1 September 1965 and 18 September 1965(most probably) . How long does it take to travel to America by ship? What is most obvious in the Sag ascendent chart is the intense transit activation of the travel houses.(9,7,12). 12 H for long stays abroad. Tr Su in 9H, Tr Sa aspects 9H from its 3H position .Tr Me is possibly in 9H. Ju transits 7H.Tr Ra aspects 12 H .Tr Ma aspects natal Ma L12. Ra transit of 6H can bring health problems . Tr Ra has just passed natal Ma L5 and 5H is the secondary house for the heart. Without knowing the exact date of his departure from India we can examine the previous Solar eclipse to the event on 31 May 1965. The SE point is at 15Ta 50. In the Sg asc chart ,this is in the 6H and aspects 12 H (also conjunct 12L Ma) In September, Ra by transit has just passed the eclipse point . Considering there were both travel and health issues happening at this time the eclipse in the 6H is quite relevant. The D4 chart is a good one to use for travel. ( Home and Away). The D4 ascendent for the natal Capricorn ascendent is Capricorn and the D4 ascendent for the natal Sg ascendent is Virgo.The D4 ascendent changes at approx 15.30. The SE in Taurus is in the 9H of the latter chart. Also the D4 division of the Solar Eclipse is in Scorpio in 3H. The travel axis is activated both ways. This does not happen for the Capricorn ascendent. I don't know much about Prabhuphada so I am taking a neutral stance here. I tend to favour the Sagittarius ascendent from the two events( ie death and travel) that I have examined so far. I hope I have been able to clarify the lagna issue to some extent. Regards Ron Make a great connection at Personals. http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 Ron, At 03:55 PM 10/12/01 -0700, you wrote: >Robert, >Thanks for sending the events again. > > >. Sept. 18, 1965: Landed on American soil (Boston >harbor), for the first time to begin his mission of >spreading Krsna Consciousness in the west. Note that >on the voyage here from India, he had two heart >attacks. < > >This is quite a specific event. I have occasionally >used the D4 to see travel and emigration. I notice >that the ascendent of D4 changes at approx. 15.30 >(same as natal ascendent). It would be very useful >to have the day of departure from India so that >transits to the D4 can be examined. The dasa period >is Me/Ra. I would be interested to see the position >of Me on this day. > >Would any devotees have the time of his death? Thanks for looking into this vis a vis D-4. That will be quite an interesting analysis. I don't have the exact day that he left India, but I can research it. I t shouldn't be too hard to find. His passing: 11/14/1977 @ approx. 7:30 PM, in Vrndavana, India. Best wishes, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk and rkoch rkoch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Hi! Using my own weird methods and ignorance I find the capricorn lagna very good, if one takes TOB as 4:00pm. To start with, it puts the MC in Libra, with exalted Saturn, owner of 1st exactly on the MC. This suits a person who had a tremendous influence and following; the Mc falling in the 10th shows a unity of "calling" and actual "profession", for he was always dealing with the scriptures. The exalted Saturn in 10th is more appropriate for philosophy, restriction and humility. Exalted Mercury would have most likely given a vocation connected with mundane communication, writing, commerce etc. These aspects were present, BUT in order to teach vedanta, not pursued for their own sake. The exalted and relatively free Mercury as owner of 7th would have given more happiness in marriage. But for Capricorn, the 7th lord Moon is with Mars, showing dissatisfaction. Again, the sun and jupiter in leo, if 9th, would have given a very expansive, regal and even pompous touch, but Srila was saturnine in his ascetism - and the same combination in the 8th restricts the regality and is more in keeping with his movement towards moksha! It may also have helped him to receive donations etc. for his work. The question of siblings is very dicey. For Sagittarius sterile saturn in 11th, with 11th lord in 12th from it, would perhaps mean no elder siblings at all. The 3rd is also owned by saturn and has Rahu in it. Younger siblings is also a bit doubtful, despite the aspect of jupiter. But for Capricorn Mars in taurus with moon could give elder (perhaps dominating) sisters, and the third is aspected by exalted mercury with venus - showing younger siblings. I have only three correct dates - departure from India, heart attack on ship and final demise, plus one tentative, a heart attack in May 1967. Plus the inauguration of ISKCON. The PNMs for these dates fit best for the 4:00pm chart. The attack in May is a bit fuzzy, but I would think it happened earlier than May 18. The ISKCON inauguration shows a "dream come true", but also dissention and ill-health. Was it so? So I vote for capricorn. When I see Srila´s photograph, I do not see anything "jovial", but sadness and resignation, a yearning to go where wisdom prevails! regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 obeisances thankyou for bringing some clarity to the issue y.s stavavali d.d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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