Kuja Dosha exceptions

January 1, 1999

DEAR SANJAY RATH,

I wished to avoid this conversation , because if i was to write email , it

would have been my choice to answer long pending cases before falling into

any conversation. With sorry to my friends , and please wait for some more

time , whose casesare pending with me.

I HAD WRITTEN MY VIEWS IN CAPITAL LETTERS.

-

"Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath

Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:02 PM

Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

Om Gurave Namah

--------------------------

Dear Inder Jit & Sarajit,

I am a humble SIKSHA GURU like so many others in this line and am human and

can err. I am not a Diksha Guru and am not qualified for the same, so please

do not expect that level of perfection from me. We are all walking on a very

dark path and can only pray to Vasudeva to throw some light in this

darkness. You had started a very nice thread and this is very nice to

discuss as this questions the very foundations of Jyotish itself. Had it not

been for external interference, this would have continued ..now that you

ask, may Jagannatha Mahaprabhu guide my hand..

Karma & Free will

1. After death, a person carries with him the dharma and the Karma which

can be divided into two broad parts called Sanchita Karma and Prarabdha

Karma. Sanchita Karma is finished in various types of hells and suffering in

the life after death whereas Prarabdha Karma has to be carried into another

body and can be burnt only through experience. So, only the most elevated

souls who have complete control over their Indriya's (sense's) are not

affected by these experiences in this life. All others are.

PRABADHA KARMA IS THE NAME OF THOSE KARMA ,THE CONSEQUENCES OF WHICH ONE

WILL FACE DURING THIS LIFE , THE SCHEME WITH WHICH ONE IS BORN.WHICH IS

SHOWN BY THE BIRTH CHART.

SANCHIT KARMA ARE ALL THOSE KARMA'S WHICH ONE WILL FACE IN THE NEXT BIRTHS ,

THOSE DONE IN THIS BIRTH MAY ALSO ADD TO THESE SANCHIT KARMA, IF ARE DONE

WITH PROUD? ONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ONLY THOSE KARMA'S WHICH HE DO WITH

PROUD, SURRENDER AND WORKS WITHOUT PROUD ARE NOT ADDED TO SANCHIT KARMA'S

AND CAUSE ENLIGHTENMENT OF ONE'S SELF.

HEAVENS AND HELL AND SALVATION ALL ARE WITHIN THIS BODY AND NOTHNG IS AWAY

FROM IT.

NATURE HAS PERFECT RULES AND EVERY ACTION HAS ITS COUNTER REACTION AND FORM

THE SEED WITHIN OUR JIVA. THESES SEEDS ARE THE SANCHIT KARMA.

AGAIN SOME SEEDS BECOMES TREE IMMEDIATELY AND SOME TAKES BIRTHS TO GROW.

2. Based on the Prarabdha Karma, Krishna decides the circumstances of

birth, experiences and length of life that a person has to undergo to

complete this Prarabdha. Sometimes one life is not enough and many births

maybe necessary. The conception chart is used to determine the past karma.

In fact the Dwadasamsa (D-12 Chart) of the Nisheka (Conception) tells us

many details. This is not a practical proposition, but not an impossibility

given the direction of development of the biological sciences. The Janma

Kundali (Birth Chart) is the perfect map of the Prarabdha Karma and the

Shastyamsa (D-60 Chart) is the most vital in the Shodasavarga scheme of

Parasara. The D-60 gets the highest weightage in the Vimsopaka Bala scheme

and hence establishes its priority over others. This chart also tells us

about the Prarabdha Karma in addition to the Navamsa, Rasi and other charts

in their relative importance (weights assigned by Parasara in Vimsopaka

scheme).

THESE ARE THE FATALISTIC VIEWS , WHO DECIDES FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT BELEIVE IN

KRISHNA? JANMA KUNDLI SHOWS THE PRALABADH OTHERVISE CALLED DESTINY IS AGREED

AS A.LREADY DISCUSSED ABOVE.

3. Given this paradigm of the theory of Karma and rebirth, we hardly have

any space to maneuver and it seems that the journey through this life is an

inevitable jail term that we must bear. This is true. Now the hard question

is what is the role of Jyotish and in what way is the Jyotish going to help

in altering the inalterable or changing that which cannot be changed as the

term is fixed and so is the sentence inevitable. In reply some astrologers

offer platitudes like making the suffering easier by knowing that this was

an eventuality and that this is only a natural reaction to what we had done,

but then this is a nice logical analysis and is not really supported by the

traditional texts or literature. This question was answered in detail by Har

ihara the author of Prasna Marga (translation Dr B V Raman). After reading

that, all doubts will disappear and you will realize the great job that Dr

Raman has done.

WHY JAIL , THE BIRTH IS DUE TO INCOMPLETE DESIRES OF THE MIND AND TO KNOW

THYSELF, THIS KNOWLEDGE WILL COME THROUGH THIS BODY AND THERE IS NO OTHER

WAY TO ACHIEVE THIS.

4. Like every other birth, the Atma rides (Arudha) this Mana (Mind-Moon)

which controls this Sareera (Body). The Atma remebers all tis past

incarnations but the Mana, being new and aware of this incarnation alone

cannot understand the reason behind the various forms of suffering that it

sees and experiences. It expresses anger when a feeling that injustice has

been done (based on its awareness and concept of justice) this is Mars and

later this passion results in sorrow as the atma does not cooperate with the

Mana being aware that the Prarabdha Karma is being burnt through this

anubhava (experience). It is here that Jupiter intervenes. If Jupiter is

strong in simhalokamsa or is strengthened by adoration of one's DIKSHA GURU

(be careful here - not Siksha Guru's like K N Rao or myself and Achyutananda

Dasa has warned us to be very careful with the advent and advancement of

Kali Yuga w.r.t guru's), then one is directed in the path of self correction

through recitation of prayers for forgiveness and protection from evil

experiences that are destined to come.

WE ARE BECAUSE OF MIND ,THOUGHTS AND DESIRES, WHAT IS ME A BUNCH OF THOUGTHS

AND DESIRES LYING ON THE GREATER CONSCIOUS WHO IS HOLDING THE WHOLE WORLD ,

AND AWAY FROM THIS MIND , MIND ELOPES THEN I AM THE GREATER CONSCIOUS, WHO

HAS SEVERAL HANDS TWO OF WHICH ARE YOURS AND ADDED TO IT ARE OF THE WHOLE

UNIVERSE. DIFFERNT IDEAS , DIFFERENT MINDS ARE RESTING , BUT AWAY FROM MIND

NO DESIRE NOTHING .

A BIRTH CHART IS A MEASURE OF PARAMETERS OF VARIOUS KARMA'S , JUPITER

ITSSELF IS NOT AKASH BUT IT REPRESENTS THE AKASH TATWA ,ITS MOMENTS AND

PLACEMENTS SPEAKS ABOUT THE MEASURE OF VARIOUS AUSPISIOUSKARMA OF A PERSON.

LIKE WE READ ON THERMOMETER THE TEMPREATURE OF AN INDIVIDUAL, HERE THE

INSTRUMENTS IS A WAY TO MEASURE THE TEMPREATURE AND IT IS NOT THE

TEMPREATURE ITSSELF.

5. This is the point of Harihara when he was explaining the value of

Prasna. Prasna tells us whether the native has done better or worse Karma

from his birth till the time of Prasna. Thus Karma done in this life is

immediately recorded by Chitra Gupta (sitting on the star Chitra -linked to

Chitra paksha Ayanamsa maybe). [some astrologers advise the worship of

Chitra gupta the assistants of Yama on Chaitra (derived from Chitra)

Poornima so that they may skip some records of your bad Karma!!!]. This

immediate recording results in an alteration or influence to the birth/natal

chart and has a profound influence on the immediate and long term future.

a.. If the Natal Chart planetary positions are better than the Prasna

chart, then the person has fallen further in this life i.e. accumulated more

bad karma.

b.. If the Natal chart planetary indications are worse than the Prasna

chart then infer that he has done better Karma in this life, and to that

extent shall have a better future.

c.. If the indications of the Natal and Prasna chart are the same, then

then he is merely sailing through this life experiences the past Karma.

d.. That the effect of this Karma can alter the indications of the Janma

Kundali including Longevity (Please keep calm and read further).

I ALREADY DISCUSSED IT IN MY FIRST PARA, SOME KARMA'S GIVE THE RESULTS IN

THE SAME BIRTH, LIKE TAKE A BAD MEAL AND YOU WILL GET THE INSTANT RESULT ,

ABUSE SOME ONE AND YOU MAY GET IMMEDIATE RESPONSE. AND THERE ARE OTHER

KARMA'S WHICH TAKE THE FORM OF SANCHIT KARMA.

6. It is evident from the above clear statements that the Karma we do in

this life is immediately recorded from the moment the Karma is performed and

has an immediate impact on the future whether immediate or distant or

subsequent births. It is here that another question crops up. This is the

question of FREE WILL. Now, what is free will? It means the power to

determine the action that one shall take as a consequence to or for the

purpose of some event or goal. It is a goal directed action and not an

involuntary action. This is where the question of Upachaya comes up and the

houses 3,6,10 & 11 deal with the actions that one can or will take given

the various inputs from the environment (33% is bounded rationality like the

Simonian model of decision making) . Thus, in the first place, this action

itself is bounded by various inputs and this is called bounded rationality

depending on four factors that are like four boundaries of a plot -

Information (Knowledge) called BUDDHI [Dharma-Ayana], Resources that are

focused on VRIDDHI or increase of wealth [Artha-Ayana], Abilities that

fulfil desires based on (the purity of) the purpose SUDDHI [Kaama -Ayana]

and finally Time that is the final giver of emancipation and end of all

Karma whether Sanchita or Prarabdha called SIDDHI [Moksha-Ayana]. Here comes

the greatest teaching of the Gita "KARMA IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT BUT YOU HAVE NO

RIGHT (ADHIKARA) ON THE FRUITS". This adhikara or right to freedom of

Action is the only birth right given by God.

Hence Harihara (Prasna Marga) prays

Madhyatavyadhipam Dugdhasindhukanyadhwam Dhiya

Dhiyayami sadhwaham Buddhe Suddhyai Vriddhyai cha Siddhye

NO ONLY SOME KARMAS HAVE THE IMMEDIATEDTE OR THE IMPACT WITHIN THIS BIRTH.

ALL DOES NOT AND CANNOT CHANGE, YOU CANNOT CHOOSE YOUR PARENTS , FROM WHICH

POINT THIS DEBATE HAS BEEN STARTED. IF THE PARENTS COULD NOT BE CHOOSED THEN

HOW ONE WILL CHOOSE THAT TO WHOM MARRY ? AN ASTROLOGER ULTIMATELY ,KNOWINGLY

OR UNKNOWINGLY FIXES THE SAME MATCH , WHICH ARE DESTINED TO BE MARRIED, YOU

DISCUSSED VARIOUS TYPES OF MARRIGES THESE ARE IRRELEVENT TO PRESENT

DISCUSSION.PRALABADH KARMAS WHICH ARE SHOWN BY THE BIRTH CHART ARE LIKE A

BULLET SHOT FROM THE GUN WHICH COULD NOT BE RETURNED. A YOGI INDEED WILL

BURN HIS SANCHIT KARMA ,THAT IS THOSE WHICH HE WAS TO FACE IN THE NEXT

BIRTHS , BUT PRALABDH HE HAS TO FACE, AND READ THE LIFE OF GREAT SAINTS ,

HOW THEY REACHED TO THERE END. A YOGI BURN HIS SANCHIT KARMA'S LIKE A HEATED

UP SEED WILL NOT PRODUSE ANYTHING.

7. Once again we come to the definiton of the self (SWA) and find that

the Atma is merely an observer and hence these houses or UPACHAYA for

reckoning the right to action or exercise of free-will is not at the level

of the Atma and is merely a process of action and reaction of the Mana and

Sareera in this manifested Universe. Thus, this is only to be seen from the

Lagna and especially, the Moon, especially the tenth house from the Moon.

Kalyan Verma (Saravali) has given a very detailed explanation on the

placement of individual planets or groups of them in the tenth from the

Moon. Why is so much importance being given to the Moon for this free-will?

It is the mind where the seed of all action is generated and hence Moon the

Manakaraka is the playground for this Maya to act on. This is what the

Bhagavat Gita teaches "Give the reigns of the horses (of your mind) to

Krishna and see how He shall steer you through the battlefield of life (Life

in the Kali Yuga is viewed as a battle field)". The Rig Veda is very clear

about the generation of this seed of all action in the mind in Vishwamitra's

prayer to Brihaspati:

Suchim-arkair Brihaspatim advareshu namasyate ...

May Brihaspati (the Deva Guru -note my earlier explanation to the importance

of the Diksha Guru and Jupiter) the granter of success (to all our actions -

the term adhvareshu refers to the inviolable principle or the TRUTH that

must prevail like OM TAT SAT) give us good thoughts (that lead to such

actions that are inviolable - the inviolable principle also refers to

holding back such thoughts that lead to such Karma that would violate the

principles of Dharma).

8. It is evident that this concept of free will is limited to the Mana

and that too the Upachaya's i.e. those thoughts that are action related.

Having accepted the limited free will concept, we now come to the method of

Vedic remedial measures called Mantra i.e. Mana + Trai or protection of the

Mana from (a) generating such seeds of evil thought that result in evil

Karma, as well as (b) protecting against the provocation from the

experiences of Past karma that can bring anger, sorrow and passion (Rajas)

and ignorance (Tamas) to dominate the Mana and raise the level of the Mana

to that of the Atma (self realisation).

9. Inder jit, please do not read me wrong when I say this. Vivaha (i.e.

Marriage and its specific form) is destined in the form of an ANUBHAVA and

to say that two people were married for so many births or shall continue

together for so many births is fine if you are a priest solemnising the

marriage but not as a Jyotisha. How the Mana will react to the various

experiences that it is subject to and is so confused about (not having the

knowledge of Prarabdha) is what a Jyotisha should be looking for. This is

where he can guide if he is aware of the pitfalls and troubles that can

result from a mismatch like Kuja Dosha (that was what had started this

thread). I have done lots of studies in this area and unlike others have

also given out a lot of 'so called secrets' related to determination of

circumstances, timing, Lagna of spouse, status of family, details about the

in-laws and possible troubles like mother-in-law problem etc. In fact my

writings in this area are very comprehensive and still, I cannot say with

any certainty that this is the spouse (although I have done this and have

later wondered as to why I was so sure..an inner feeling that I cannot

explain). In fact the Royal family of Agra will vouch on this, when I was

100% sure that the two charts Rani-mata had brought were to get married (I

also gave the time when the boy would agree and what not all). Prasna is a

very vital tool for this.

Thank you again for bearing with my Chandrastama problem..( I see transits

from Natal positions in Navamsa as well). We men are also feminine as we

cannot escape this monthly cycle... HE alone is the Purusha.

TO BE

INTUTIVE IS A GRAET TOOL OF THE ASTROLOGER , AND BY ADMITTING THAT YOU WAS

ABLE TO ANNOUNCE THAT THIS WILL CERTANILY MARRY TO THIS YOU ARE FAVORING MY

ARGUMENTS.

WITH REGARDS TO ALL

INDER JIT SAHNI

Om Tat Sat

Sanjay Rath

-

Inder Jit Sahni

gjlist

Friday, October 19, 2001 7:00 AM

Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

Dear Sanjay,

Though it could be done , but still we are in such a stage in astrology that

we cannot prove many things like in science that Hydrogen and oxygen

combined will always make water.People will believe that Astrology is a

science when it will become so.

To match the best horoscopes is a very easy thing and to predict the destiny

which two will marry will depend on very high intuitive capability and

individual capacity, but even if one will try to interfere with the destiny

,one may not succeed.

At least i cannot change the destiny of any individual .

Some Guru astrologers could do that , i doubt.

But Even Krishna could not change the destiny of Arjuna , so no body could

interfere ,we can give mental solace and that is our limit.Same was done by

Lord Krishna by his teaching to Arjuna.

Some times we do predict that these persons are sure to marry , but depends

on parameters and circumstances.

No further debate on this issue , i will not be available to answer being

very busy at the moment with my other activities.

With Regards,

Inder Jit Sahni

-

"Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath

Friday, October 19, 2001 1:25 AM

Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

Om Gurave Namah

--------------------------

Dear Inder Jit,

OK Lets agree with your point that we marry whom we are bound to marry. Fine

So, i will give you one male horoscope and ten female horoscopes and you

have to tell me which one the male married as the marriage is destined/bound

to marry and you know destiny by say some method.

Do you accept this, if not then by using the standard principles of kuja

Dosha etc taught in the texts we can choose the right partner and then after

they marry you can say that they are husband and wife for seven lives and so

on...And even then sometimes the best of astrologers make a mistake.

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

-

Inder Jit Sahni

gjlist

Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:09 PM

Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

Sanjay wrote,

"If a person with kuja dosha marries another without Kuja dosha then the

person with Kuja dosha shall suffer. So, you suffered a lot and this has

shown that the Kuja dosha was present and that it worked."

Marriages are decided in heaven and are celebrated on earth is a very common

quote, birth and death are fixed and so fixed are our parents. And if

parents are fixed then by astrology we can only choose to find out a already

fixed match for us to whom we are bond to marry , no choice my dear.

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

: gjlist-

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October 15, 2001

Haribol!

I am wondering if someone could tell me whether Mars retrograde would cancel out

kuja dosha. I have been told that I am Manglik by several astrologers, and that

I am NOT Manglik by others. I have Mars in Scorpio in the 12th, retrograde.

It would be most helpful to get this straightened out, as I am currently seeking

a husband and need to know this info for compatibility assessment. Thank you in

advance for your service!

ys,

Bhaktin Kirsten

June 7, 1969

8:52pm EDT (Eastern Daylight Time)

New Britain, Connecticut, USA

41N40, 72W47

October 15, 2001

Kirsten:

I can appreciate your desire to clarify this issue. However, I've found

astrologers to be notoriously sectarian in their views and that makes

finding clear consistent views on things difficult. In addition, I

wouldn't worry too much about finding out if you are or aren't manglik.

Some astrologers consider this an important way to divide up the human race

into two groups to help them marry more happily. I'm pretty skeptical of

simple categorizations like that. Having said that, I think having Mars --

retrograde or not -- aspecting your 7th house isn't a particularly

favourable indication for marriage. It means that there will likely be

conflict and argument as the archetypal form of communication in your

partnerships. This is all the more true given that your 7L Mercury is

aspected by Mars and Mars rules the navamsha.

So I guess if you want my opinion, that probably makes you a manglik. But

I would't really say you should only pursue partners who are also manglik.

They may have totally incompatible charts with yours. Conversely, someone

who doesn't have this kujadosha affliction may have a chart that meshes

well with yours. As a general piece of advice, I would try to seek out

partners that embody some kind of martian quality. This will have the

effect of constructively redirecting that otherwise difficult martian

energy into a channel that will work well for you.

all the best,

Chris

At 05:03 PM 10/15/01 -0400, you wrote:

> Haribol! I am wondering if someone could tell me whether Mars

>retrograde would cancel out kuja dosha. I have been told that I am Manglik

>by several astrologers, and that I am NOT Manglik by others. I have Mars in

> Scorpio in the 12th, retrograde. currently seeking a husband and need

>to know this info for compatibility assessment. Thank you in advance for

>your service! ys, Bhaktin Kirsten June 7, 1969 8:52pm EDT (Eastern

>Daylight Time) New Britain, Connecticut, USA 41N40, 72W47

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

October 15, 2001

Hi Kevil, Kirtsten,

According to James Braha, Kuja Dosa gets cancelled if Mars is in Scorpio, as in

this case...if I understand that well. Is that common opinion?

Anna

-

Christopher Kevill

gjlist

Monday, October 15, 2001 7:24 PM

Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

Kirsten:I can appreciate your desire to clarify this issue. However, I've

foundastrologers to be notoriously sectarian in their views and that

makesfinding clear consistent views on things difficult. In addition,

Iwouldn't worry too much about finding out if you are or aren't manglik.Some

astrologers consider this an important way to divide up the human raceinto two

groups to help them marry more happily. I'm pretty skeptical ofsimple

categorizations like that. Having said that, I think having Mars --retrograde

or not -- aspecting your 7th house isn't a particularlyfavourable indication

for marriage. It means that there will likely beconflict and argument as the

archetypal form of communication in yourpartnerships. This is all the more

true given that your 7L Mercury isaspected by Mars and Mars rules the navamsha.

So I guess if you want my opinion, that probably makes you a manglik. ButI

would't really say you should only pursue partners who are also manglik.They

may have totally incompatible charts with yours. Conversely, someonewho

doesn't have this kujadosha affliction may have a chart that mesheswell with

yours. As a general piece of advice, I would try to seek outpartners that

embody some kind of martian quality. This will have theeffect of

constructively redirecting that otherwise difficult martianenergy into a

channel that will work well for you.all the best,ChrisAt 05:03 PM 10/15/01

-0400, you wrote:> Haribol! I am wondering if someone could tell me whether

Mars>retrograde would cancel out kuja dosha. I have been told that I am Manglik

>by several astrologers, and that I am NOT Manglik by others. I have Mars in>

Scorpio in the 12th, retrograde. currently seeking a husband and need>to

know this info for compatibility assessment. Thank you in advance for>your

service! ys, Bhaktin Kirsten June 7, 1969 8:52pm EDT (Eastern>Daylight

Time) New Britain, Connecticut, USA 41N40, 72W47 > > > Om Namo Bhagavate

Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> :

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October 16, 2001

Dear Kirsten

I agree with Christopher's comments . Your chart is a very spiritual one

with 9th and 10th Lords together aspected by 5th Lord Mars and natal Lord

and natural karaka of dharma Jupiter . Your Mars although badly placed in

the 12th is in it's own sign and therefore activates the search for moksha

or liberation .Then it to receives the aspect of the Mercury Sun combination

.. Venus and Saturn are well placed in the 5th .Jupiter lagna Lord in the

10th can give excellent religious deeds .

On the caution side I notice that the 7th Lord has gone to the 6th the

house of disputes and is aspected by Mars the Lord of disputes . Falling in

the house of Taurus there is a danger of getting into too rigid positions or

falling into the natural weakness of Sagittarian Lagnas to be too self

righteous .Marriage requires compromise,flexibilty and acceptance .

I imagine you are an excellent cook and best of luck with your marriage and

Krsna consciousness

Nicholas

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"Christopher Kevill" <ckevill

Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:24 AM

Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

> Kirsten:

>

> I can appreciate your desire to clarify this issue. However, I've found

> astrologers to be notoriously sectarian in their views and that makes

> finding clear consistent views on things difficult. In addition, I

> wouldn't worry too much about finding out if you are or aren't manglik.

> Some astrologers consider this an important way to divide up the human

race

> into two groups to help them marry more happily. I'm pretty skeptical of

> simple categorizations like that. Having said that, I think having

Mars --

> retrograde or not -- aspecting your 7th house isn't a particularly

> favourable indication for marriage. It means that there will likely be

> conflict and argument as the archetypal form of communication in your

> partnerships. This is all the more true given that your 7L Mercury is

> aspected by Mars and Mars rules the navamsha.

>

> So I guess if you want my opinion, that probably makes you a manglik. But

> I would't really say you should only pursue partners who are also manglik.

> They may have totally incompatible charts with yours. Conversely, someone

> who doesn't have this kujadosha affliction may have a chart that meshes

> well with yours. As a general piece of advice, I would try to seek out

> partners that embody some kind of martian quality. This will have the

> effect of constructively redirecting that otherwise difficult martian

> energy into a channel that will work well for you.

>

> all the best,

>

> Chris

>

> At 05:03 PM 10/15/01 -0400, you wrote:

> > Haribol! I am wondering if someone could tell me whether Mars

> >retrograde would cancel out kuja dosha. I have been told that I am

Manglik

> >by several astrologers, and that I am NOT Manglik by others. I have Mars

in

> > Scorpio in the 12th, retrograde. currently seeking a husband and need

> >to know this info for compatibility assessment. Thank you in advance for

> >your service! ys, Bhaktin Kirsten June 7, 1969 8:52pm EDT (Eastern

> >Daylight Time) New Britain, Connecticut, USA 41N40, 72W47

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-

> >

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

October 16, 2001

Dear Nicholas and Christopher and Kirsten,

Lets first understand Kuja Dosha. Placement of Mars in Ist, 4th, 7th, 8th

and 12th house constitutes Kuja Dosha or Manglik Dosha. In Southern India,

2nd house is also taken into consideration. Now this makes 5 houses out of

12 houses would have Kuja Dosham. Do we mean to say, that such a sizeable

number would have problems in marriage. No.

What would happen if such a Mars is placed in own house, its exaltation

sign, friendly sign etc. What happens if such a Mars is aspected by Jupiter.

What happens if such a Mars conjoins Jupiter. What happens if the other

chart with whom compatibility is being sought also has Mars Dosha.

Therefore, we need not make it a serious thing for others because I have

seen many parents suffering in India also when their children become

marriageable.

In such cases, the best thing to look for is Bhava Milan and then take into

account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord and benefic

aspect of Jupiter. If these are present, the maleficence due to Mars dosha

would be taken care of.

with best wishes,

Manoj

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October 16, 2001

Dear Respected list members,

I just wanted to thank everyone who replied to my question re: Kuja! Your

insights have been extremely helpful (and totally 'right on' if I do say so

myself! - Through your responses, I have gained a deeper insight into my own

character, and am more optimistic about my ability to transcend the negative

qualities in my chart. THANK YOU!!!

Your fallen, Manglik servant,

Bhaktin Kirsten

khd5 (AT) home (DOT) com

October 16, 2001

Manoj,

I have a question for you. (Or anyone.)

>>What happens if such a Mars is aspected by Jupiter. <<

What about if when Jupiter is not good for the rising sign, such as

with Gemini or Aquarius? Would this still apply? Would another

planet, such as one that is benefic for their rising, be used

instead? TIA

Tulasi

gjlist, "Manoj Pathak" <manojpathak@h...> wrote:

> Dear Nicholas and Christopher and Kirsten,

>

> Lets first understand Kuja Dosha. Placement of Mars in Ist, 4th,

7th, 8th

> and 12th house constitutes Kuja Dosha or Manglik Dosha. In Southern

India,

> 2nd house is also taken into consideration. Now this makes 5 houses

out of

> 12 houses would have Kuja Dosham. Do we mean to say, that such a

sizeable

> number would have problems in marriage. No.

>

> What would happen if such a Mars is placed in own house, its

exaltation

> sign, friendly sign etc. What happens if such a Mars is aspected by

Jupiter.

> What happens if such a Mars conjoins Jupiter. What happens if the

other

> chart with whom compatibility is being sought also has Mars Dosha.

> Therefore, we need not make it a serious thing for others because I

have

> seen many parents suffering in India also when their children

become

> marriageable.

>

> In such cases, the best thing to look for is Bhava Milan and then

take into

> account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord

and benefic

> aspect of Jupiter. If these are present, the maleficence due to

Mars dosha

> would be taken care of.

>

> with best wishes,

>

> Manoj

>

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Dear Tulasi Devi ji,

Still the benevolence of Jupiter will prevail irrespective of the rising

sign. Take a test. Whenever Jupiter aspects the 7th house or the 7th lord,

even if the partners are not having the best of matrimonial bliss, still

their friends and neighbours would not even come of know of it. Jupiter

covers it all.

best wishes,

Manoj

>tulasidevi2000

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>Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

>Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:53:08 -0000

>

>Manoj,

>

>I have a question for you. (Or anyone.)

>

> >>What happens if such a Mars is aspected by Jupiter. <<

>

>What about if when Jupiter is not good for the rising sign, such as

>with Gemini or Aquarius? Would this still apply? Would another

>planet, such as one that is benefic for their rising, be used

>instead? TIA

>

>Tulasi

>

>gjlist, "Manoj Pathak" <manojpathak@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Nicholas and Christopher and Kirsten,

> >

> > Lets first understand Kuja Dosha. Placement of Mars in Ist, 4th,

>7th, 8th

> > and 12th house constitutes Kuja Dosha or Manglik Dosha. In Southern

>India,

> > 2nd house is also taken into consideration. Now this makes 5 houses

>out of

> > 12 houses would have Kuja Dosham. Do we mean to say, that such a

>sizeable

> > number would have problems in marriage. No.

> >

> > What would happen if such a Mars is placed in own house, its

>exaltation

> > sign, friendly sign etc. What happens if such a Mars is aspected by

>Jupiter.

> > What happens if such a Mars conjoins Jupiter. What happens if the

>other

> > chart with whom compatibility is being sought also has Mars Dosha.

> > Therefore, we need not make it a serious thing for others because I

>have

> > seen many parents suffering in India also when their children

>become

> > marriageable.

> >

> > In such cases, the best thing to look for is Bhava Milan and then

>take into

> > account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord

>and benefic

> > aspect of Jupiter. If these are present, the maleficence due to

>Mars dosha

> > would be taken care of.

> >

> > with best wishes,

> >

> > Manoj

> >

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> In such cases, the best thing to look for is Bhava Milan and then take into

> account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord and benefic

> aspect of Jupiter. If these are present, the maleficence due to Mars dosha

> would be taken care of.

> Still the benevolence of Jupiter will prevail irrespective of the rising

> sign. Take a test. Whenever Jupiter aspects the 7th house or the 7th lord,

> even if the partners are not having the best of matrimonial bliss, still

> their friends and neighbours would not even come of know of it. Jupiter

> covers it all.

> Manoj

Dear all, dear Manoj,

It's the first time I say something on the list. I'm newbye (I don't know

if this word is correct), and I'm still a student in vedic astrology.

I say hello to all of you :-))

Plase forgive my english : I speak french and I'm not used to write in

English ;-(

I'm very interested by your conversation abouth Kujadosha :

I've Mars (lord of 2th and 7th) in 12th in Virgo.

Jupiter (in 6th, own house, Pisces) aspects Mars.

Mars is associated with Mercury (exalted, lord of 9th & 12th in 12th).

My birthdata :

Moon and lagna in Libra.

Navamsa lagna : Sagittarius

My questions are :

- do I still have a Kuja dosha with Jupiter's aspect on Mars ?

(I don't know if Jup aspects benefically Mars)

Mars is the 7th lord, in 12 th :-(, but Mars still aspects its own house

(7th)

Mars is also 2th lord, then I have 2th & 7th lord in 12th ! :-(( => twice a

time Kujadosha :-(

- Do Mercury and Jupiter have a benefical influence on the 7th, or on the

Kujadosha ?

For infos :

I got married in 1986. After, two chidren, and after... my husband agressed

me in 1994 (very destructively -> my right kidney exploded -> hole hemorragy

blood....)

After that, I was separated of him and I divorced in 2000.

I saw in all my partners's charts that they are all "martians" :

- my ex-husband had Moon conjuct Mars in 5th in Aquarius. Sun & Jup in Leo

(aspected by Mars) in 11th. He loved weapons, and liked to conflict...

- After him, I met another man who was Aries lagna (in Rasi & Navamsa). We

didn't have conflicts, but we didn't live together.

- Now, I am with a men who has Sun in Aries (4th), Mars in 2th (Kujadosha

too ?) in Aquarius & vargottama, and his Navamsa lagna is Aries.

What is good between us is bedpleasures (Mars, lord of 7th, in 12th... ;-),

but they are still conflicts between us since we live together.

I read in J.Braha's book that :

"the person with Kujadosha will be somehow victimized in his marriage"

(that was the case for my ex-husbang, who agressed me physically, and also

now, for my actuel partner, who agressed me too, but psychologycally)

and that :

"if two personnes have a Kujadosha, they won't hurt each other."

With my last partner (Mars in 2th), is it the case ?

J.Braha said also that "when two persons have Kujadosha, they will not feel

much physical attraction between each other"

That's not the case with my last partner : there is a lot of attraction

between us. Do I have to conclude that he doesn't have Kujadosha in his

chart ? (But he has Mars in 2th !)

(P.S. When I was agressed by my ex-husband, I was in Saturn - Mars dasas

(Vimshottari dasa), and Mars is maraka)

Hope this will help.

P.S. Manoj, you said :

> account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord...

Mars is, in my case, lord of 2th & 7th. How can I see the strenght of Mars

(in Shadbala ?)

And... how to see the strength of houses ?

Thanks to all of you for your answers :-))

With my best wishes :-))

October 17, 2001

Om Gurave Namah--------------------------Dear Marie,

What Manoj said is the general rule and IS CORRECT. What you faced is a

specific deviation that is not normally listed while giving general rules.

Understand the principle and then the problem goes away.

If a person with kuja dosha marries another without Kuja dosha then the person

with Kuja dosha shall suffer. So, you suffered a lot and this has shown that

the Kuja dosha was present and that it worked.

Now coming to the rule of Jupiters aspect. Let me put it like this. Jupiter is

the symbol of peace and protection in the chart whereas Mars is the symbol of

agression and violence. When Jupiter aspects Mars, it controls Mars and compels

it to give up agression and violence and take to the path of peace. To do this

job, Jupiter must be strong and and at least stronger than Mars. Aspect of

Saturn on Mars also removes Kuja dosha.

In your chart, Jupiter is retrograde in Pisces and perhaps in debility or weak

in Navamsa. Jupiter is also the sixth Lord and is unlikely to intervene as much

as it would have done say, when it is the ninth lord. And finally, Jupiter is

the Lord of the sixth house. In any case you are alive and among us today

because Jupiter aspected Mars..

Remedy lies in wearing a Rudraksha of as many faces as the house position of

Jupiter and reciting the Akasha beeja HAM with the name of Hanumanji or Shiva

like HAM Hanumate Namah or HOUM Namah Shivaya. Fasting on Ekadasi is the best

remedy to get over Kuja Dosha as this Tithi is ruled by Mars.

Best WishesSanjay Rath

- Marie-Christine Sclifet

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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:43 PM

Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

le 16/10/01 11:28 (TU +2), via son e-mail <manojpathak (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>, ManojPathak

a écrit :> In such cases, the best thing to look for is Bhava Milan and then

take into> account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord and

benefic> aspect of Jupiter. If these are present, the maleficence due to Mars

dosha> would be taken care of.> Still the benevolence of Jupiter will prevail

irrespective of the rising> sign. Take a test. Whenever Jupiter aspects the 7th

house or the 7th lord,> even if the partners are not having the best of

matrimonial bliss, still> their friends and neighbours would not even come of

know of it. Jupiter> covers it all.> ManojDear all, dear Manoj,It's the first

time I say something on the list. I'm newbye (I don't knowif this word is

correct), and I'm still a student in vedic astrology.I say hello to all of you

:-))Plase forgive my english : I speak french and I'm not used to write

inEnglish ;-(I'm very interested by your conversation abouth Kujadosha :I've

Mars (lord of 2th and 7th) in 12th in Virgo.Jupiter (in 6th, own house, Pisces)

aspects Mars.Mars is associated with Mercury (exalted, lord of 9th & 12th in

12th).My birthdata :August 25 196311h33 am CET (10h33 am GMT)Etterbeek,

Bruxelles, Belgium (50N49' 4E23')Moon and lagna in Libra.Navamsa lagna :

SagittariusMy questions are :- do I still have a Kuja dosha with Jupiter's

aspect on Mars ?(I don't know if Jup aspects benefically Mars)Mars is the 7th

lord, in 12 th :-(, but Mars still aspects its own house(7th)Mars is also 2th

lord, then I have 2th & 7th lord in 12th ! :-(( => twice atime Kujadosha :-(-

Do Mercury and Jupiter have a benefical influence on the 7th, or on

theKujadosha ?For infos :I got married in 1986. After, two chidren, and

after... my husband agressedme in 1994 (very destructively -> my right kidney

exploded -> hole hemorragyblood....)After that, I was separated of him and I

divorced in 2000.I saw in all my partners's charts that they are all "martians"

:- my ex-husband had Moon conjuct Mars in 5th in Aquarius. Sun & Jup in

Leo(aspected by Mars) in 11th. He loved weapons, and liked to conflict...-

After him, I met another man who was Aries lagna (in Rasi & Navamsa). Wedidn't

have conflicts, but we didn't live together.- Now, I am with a men who has Sun

in Aries (4th), Mars in 2th (Kujadoshatoo ?) in Aquarius & vargottama, and his

Navamsa lagna is Aries.What is good between us is bedpleasures (Mars, lord of

7th, in 12th... ;-),but they are still conflicts between us since we live

together.I read in J.Braha's book that :"the person with Kujadosha will be

somehow victimized in his marriage"(that was the case for my ex-husbang, who

agressed me physically, and alsonow, for my actuel partner, who agressed me

too, but psychologycally)and that :"if two personnes have a Kujadosha, they

won't hurt each other."With my last partner (Mars in 2th), is it the case

?J.Braha said also that "when two persons have Kujadosha, they will not

feelmuch physical attraction between each other"That's not the case with my

last partner : there is a lot of attractionbetween us. Do I have to conclude

that he doesn't have Kujadosha in hischart ? (But he has Mars in 2th !)(P.S.

When I was agressed by my ex-husband, I was in Saturn - Mars dasas(Vimshottari

dasa), and Mars is maraka)Hope this will help.P.S. Manoj, you said :> account

the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord...Mars is, in my case,

lord of 2th & 7th. How can I see the strenght of Mars(in Shadbala ?)And... how

to see the strength of houses ?Thanks to all of you for your answers :-))With

my best wishes :-))Marie-ChristineOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna;

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