Kuja Dosha exceptions

October 18, 2001

Dear Sanjay,

>I always wondered as to why you wore the Pokhraj in the left hand. We

>Hindu's consider this the impure hand and Deva Guru should never be worn

>there.>

That way our entire body is impure till we cleanse it with the nectar of

knowledge.

>Perhaps you can tell me how this helps as i too have Guru in Simhasana in

>Meena Lagna and that too in sthira avasta (No motion) . I think this

>position of Jupiter occus once/twice in 12 years in Pisces and perhaps

>once/twice in 144 years with a Pisces lagna as well...Jupiter in

>Sagittarius is like Indra the King enjoying power whereas in Piscs the sign

>of the Maharishi's Guru is engrossed in learning. There is a difference in

>the quality and direction.>

Very good. Thats wonderful to know.

Manoj

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October 18, 2001

Dear Nomadeva!

Pranaam

Thank you for pointing out the word mAyA. I don't think.. whether this word

is being explicitly mentioned in the Gita. However, I do think that Lord

Krishna tried to convey the same what I mentioned from his teachings in

Gita. When Lord Krishna showed the Viswaroopa, he tried to convey that

everything has been predestined, the Kauravas are going to oblivion; and

advosed Arjuna to perform his dharma, that is to fight, without being swayed

by the emotions of brotherhood etc. (which is not expected from his in the

battlefield). Arjuna was thinking that he was doer, while lord Krishna

clarified that it is HIM, who is doing. However in the world of "mAyA", the

concept of doerships is changed.

The word mAyA is also used in common parlance as something which can't be

explained. Such as how a soul (which has taken body for the first time)

which is always pure got entrapped in the trap of karma? How humans, who are

imperfect in this human body attain perfection and get moksha? How can a

perfect being like Soul get imperfect when it gets into the human body. All

these questions are enigma with no answers...

Texts like parashari and Jamini doesn't explain the word Maya as they

limited their scope to explaning the calculation and interpretation of

horoscope and not the philosophy behind that. Jyotish can be use to help

mankind, only when the philosophy behind its application is properly

understood. Other scriptures like the Srutis and the Smritis are there to

give the philosophy.

Dear Nomadeva! I am not very well learnt in scriptures. However, I think

that whatever I said, make some sense. Please forgive me for any of my

mistake.

Regards

Sarajit

"Nomadeva Sharma" <nomadeva

Friday, October 19, 2001 10:24 AM

Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

> Hello Sarajit,

>

> Your mail was a wonderful one, especially

> encapsulating certain key points in Gita. However, the

> usage of word 'mAya' stumped me: I don't think the

> word is used in Gita in the sense of 'illusion'

> anywhere. Even the 'mama mAyA duratyayA' (my mAya

> cannot be 'crossed over') does not convey the sense.

>

> Actually, I am more interested in knowing if the

> classical texts of astrology, be it either Parashari

> or Jaimini sutras mention this word in the first

> place. Barring the RgVedic 'indro mAyAbhiH pururUpa',

> the word, 'mAya' has gained importance only after

> Gaudapada and Shankaracharya.

>

> So, can references in classical texts be found to this

> word, for that matter, even this concept?

>

> -- NDS

>

> --- Sarajit Poddar <sarajitp wrote:

> > Hare Rama Krsna

>

> > Dear Gurudev!

> > Pranaam

> >

> > I also agree with Inderjit that, we follow whatever

> > is predestined in the heavens. We are only followers

> > like the puppets in the hands of Narayana and we are

> > not the doers, though we perceive that we are only

> > doing everything. Only when we are completely free

> > from the feeling of we as doers, we are free from

> > the bondage of karma and thus with their results.

> >

> > Even if we agree that everything is predestined, we

> > can't sit helpless, thinking that when everything is

> > predestined, why should we interfere and give the

> > remedies!!! We have to act as per our own dharma. A

> > jyotisha's dharma is to take out the native from the

> > problems by suggesting appropriate remedies. Who

> > knows, even those remedies we predestined. Gita

> > says, no one can sit idle in this world, he has to

> > act according to his nature(prakriti). If we have to

> > act, why not act knowledgebly and fulfill our

> > dharma.

> >

> > Only because we can't deterministically predict the

> > life partners doesn't mean that they are not

> > predestined in the heavens. This is only human

> > limitation!!

> >

> > Hence, Gita says just follow the dharma (one's

> > duties and obligations) and everything will fall in

> > place. Just like when a person is ill, he goes to

> > the doctor and recovers, because his nature

> > (prakriti) tells him to go to a doctor. Thus this

> > happens as he is destined to recover and his destiny

> > guides his prakriti to go to the doctor... This

> > wouls look very complex and difficult to understand,

> > as this is nothing but Maya... In this world of maya

> > everyone is trying to satisfy his/ her ego,

> > eventhough there is no difference exist between

> > anyone of us. Only when the person free from his ego

> > (individuality, or the feeling of doership), he is

> > free from the domain of Maya... Until then all of us

> > are trapped...

> >

> > Pranaam

> > Sarajit

> >

> > -

> > Sanjay Rath

> > gjlist

> > Friday, October 19, 2001 1:25 AM

> > Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> --------------------------

> > Dear Inder Jit,

> >

> > OK Lets agree with your point that we marry whom

> > we are bound to marry. Fine So, i will give you one

> > male horoscope and ten female horoscopes and you

> > have to tell me which one the male married as the

> > marriage is destined/bound to marry and you know

> > destiny by say some method.

> >

> > Do you accept this, if not then by using the

> > standard principles of kuja Dosha etc taught in the

> > texts we can choose the right partner and then after

> > they marry you can say that they are husband and

> > wife for seven lives and so on...And even then

> > sometimes the best of astrologers make a mistake.

> >

> > Best Wishes

> > Sanjay Rath

> > -

> > Inder Jit Sahni

> > gjlist

> > Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:09 PM

> > Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

> >

> > Sanjay wrote,

> > "If a person with kuja dosha marries another

> > without Kuja dosha then the

> > person with Kuja dosha shall suffer. So, you

> > suffered a lot and this has

> > shown that the Kuja dosha was present and that it

> > worked."

> > Marriages are decided in heaven and are celebrated

> > on earth is a very common

> > quote, birth and death are fixed and so fixed are

> > our parents. And if

> > parents are fixed then by astrology we can only

> > choose to find out a already

> > fixed match for us to whom we are bond to marry ,

> > no choice my dear.

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat

> > Sat

> > :

> > gjlist-

> >

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October 19, 2001

Om Gurave Namah--------------------------Dear Marie,

Replies are below each of your questions.Best WishesSanjay Rath

> Now coming to the rule of Jupiters aspect. Let me put it like this. Jupiter

is> the symbol of peace and protection in the chart whereas Mars is the symbol

of> agression and violence. When Jupiter aspects Mars, it controls Mars and>

compels it to give up agression and violence and take to the path of peace.For

my ex-husband, he had JUP & Sun in LEO in 11th, while Mars cjt Moon werein

AQUAR in 5th.There was an aspect of Jup (lord of 3th & 6th too) on Mars, but no

aspect ofSat on Mars. His agressivity wasn't controlled by Saturn, and I

don'tunderstand how Jup could have controlled his Mars, because he agressed me.

Rath: Mangalik refers to suffering due to violence or agression from others. You

are Mangalik and hence are susceptible to agression from others whereas your

spouse is not, so he is not supressed by agression and is himself agressive,

especially when the Sasi-Mangala yoga is in the fifth house. Jupiter and Sun

maybe in the 11th house, but this is also the Badhak Sthana or the house of

obstruction and if the sixth lord conjoins the Lord of badhak, it indicates

troubles from such enemies indicated by the planets concerned. Hence here it is

the Sun & Jupiter that will behave like enemies for him.> To do this job,

Jupiter must be strong and and at least stronger than Mars.In my chart (rasi),

Jupiter is in own house (Pisces) but lord of 3th & 6th=> I think Jup is strong

because is in OH, but not strong becausefonctionnal maléfic ? It's difficult

for me to make a synthesis of this.Thera are both good and bad influences on

Jup. How to choose ?Mars is in Virgo, in 12th, lord of 2th & 7th (= maraka !)

=> I think thatJup is stronger than Mars.With my jyotishsoftware, I have, in

Shadbala :7,23 rupas for Jup (power = 1,11), and4,85 rupas for Mars (power :

0,97)

Rath: Shadbala is a good measure of the individual potential strength of the

planet. The situation of a planet placed in strength but in retrogression is to

alter the indication in the form of a reversal. For example Saturn in the chart

of Sri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa was retrograde in the ninth house in Libra and

this implies that the exaltation is reversed or a state of debility,

renunciation, poverty etc is indicated. He did suffer a lot of poverty as had

refused to "TOUCH" money. Thus all the Rajyoga etc indicated by such an exalted

Saturn is reversed and the person suffers penury. Same was the situation in the

Chart of Bhagavan Sri Ram with Saturn in retrogression in Libra. Thus Jupiter

in retrogression is reversing its indications and all the good that you may

have read about a strong Jupiter in sixth is reversed.Is it correct that

Jupiter is stronger than Mars (in that case) ?

Rath: When we compare as to which of two planets, if getting into an argument or

'Yuddha' shall win, then the Shadbala indicates their resources but does not

assure victory. The winner is decided by two methods (a) Longitude and (b)

Ayana.> Aspect of Saturn on Mars also removes Kuja dosha.> > In your chart,

Jupiter is retrograde in Pisces and perhaps in debility or weak> in Navamsa.I

don't think so, if I mistake not... ?Jupiter is lagnesh and lord of 4th in Nav

=> good for Jup ?Jup is aspected by Sat, lord of 2th &3th => not good for Jup

?Jup is aspected by Mars, lord of 5th (good) and 12th (bad) => result ?Jup is

in a friend's signIt's difficult for me to make a synthesis of this. Thera are

both good andbad influences on Jup. How to choose ? Do you think Jup is weak ?

Rath: See the specific placement of Jupiter from lagna in the Navamsa..the

aspect of Mars and Saturn are definitely not good. i too suffer from this evil

aspect of Mars and saturn on Jupiter in my Rasi chart. Saturn indicates old

people who out of jealousy shall always try to pull down jupiter and Mars

indicates passion or anger directed towards me..got to learn to live with it.

The shastra says that if the Lagnesh is a natural benefic or a natural benefic

is placed in Lagna and is aspected by evil planets then the person will worship

Vishnu for protection from evils.

In conclusion I will say that Jupiter will become weak during the periods of

such malefics that aspect it and will bloom in strength otherwise. Worship of

Vishnu on Thursdays (Vishnu is worshipped on Thursdays) is the best remedy.

Navamsa chart:Lagna : SAGITJup & Merc in 3th in AQUARMoon in 4th in PISCESRahu

in 6th in TAURUSSun & Venus in 7th in GEMINIMars & Sat in 9th in LEOKetu in

12th in SCORPIO

Rath: My guess was right. Jupiter is placed in a dusthana from Lagnamsa. This is

not desirable. Further Jupiter in third is said to be in Marana Karaka Avastha.

However being the Lagna lord and the greatest benefic, he will still protect

you.> Jupiter is also the sixth Lord and is unlikely to intervene as> much as

it would have done say, when it is the ninth lord. And finally,> Jupiter is the

Lord of the sixth house. In any case you are alive and among us> today because

Jupiter aspected Mars..> > Remedy lies in wearing a Rudraksha of as many faces

as the house position of> JupiterWhat is a Rudraksha ?If I understand well, in

my chart (rasi), Jupiter is in 6th => It's good forme wearing a Rudraksha of 6

faces ?

Rath: Forget the Rudraksha. It is meant to generate the protection from Rudra. A

deeper analysis reveals more thanks to your Navamsa indications.> and reciting

the Akasha beeja HAM with the name of Hanumanji or Shiva> like HAM Hanumate

Namah or HOUM Namah Shivaya. Fasting on Ekadasi is the best> remedy to get over

Kuja Dosha as this Tithi is ruled by Mars.> > Best Wishes> Sanjay RathThank you

for your precious advices :-)Best wishesMarie-Christine Sclifet> ----- Original

Message -----> Marie-Christine Sclifet> gjlist> Sent:

Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:43 PM> Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions> >

> le 16/10/01 11:28 (TU +2), via son e-mail <manojpathak (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>, Manoj>

Pathak a écrit :> >> In such cases, the best thing to look for is Bhava Milan

and then take into>> account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house,

2nd lord and benefic>> aspect of Jupiter. If these are present, the maleficence

due to Mars dosha>> would be taken care of.> >> Still the benevolence of Jupiter

will prevail irrespective of the rising>> sign. Take a test. Whenever Jupiter

aspects the 7th house or the 7th lord,>> even if the partners are not having

the best of matrimonial bliss, still>> their friends and neighbours would not

even come of know of it. Jupiter>> covers it all.> >> Manoj> > Dear all, dear

Manoj,> > It's the first time I say something on the list. I'm newbye (I don't

know> if this word is correct), and I'm still a student in vedic astrology.> > I

say hello to all of you :-))> > Plase forgive my english : I speak french and

I'm not used to write in> English ;-(> > I'm very interested by your

conversation abouth Kujadosha :> > I've Mars (lord of 2th and 7th) in 12th in

Virgo.> Jupiter (in 6th, own house, Pisces) aspects Mars.> Mars is associated

with Mercury (exalted, lord of 9th & 12th in 12th).> > My birthdata :> > August

25 1963> 11h33 am CET (10h33 am GMT)> Etterbeek, Bruxelles, Belgium (50N49'

4E23')> Moon and lagna in Libra.> Navamsa lagna : Sagittarius> > My questions

are :> > - do I still have a Kuja dosha with Jupiter's aspect on Mars ?> (I

don't know if Jup aspects benefically Mars)> Mars is the 7th lord, in 12 th

:-(, but Mars still aspects its own house> (7th)> Mars is also 2th lord, then I

have 2th & 7th lord in 12th ! :-(( => twice a> time Kujadosha :-(> > - Do

Mercury and Jupiter have a benefical influence on the 7th, or on the> Kujadosha

?> > For infos :> > I got married in 1986. After, two chidren, and after... my

husband agressed> me in 1994 (very destructively -> my right kidney exploded ->

hole hemorragy> blood....)> After that, I was separated of him and I divorced in

2000.> > I saw in all my partners's charts that they are all "martians" :> - my

ex-husband had Moon conjuct Mars in 5th in Aquarius. Sun & Jup in Leo>

(aspected by Mars) in 11th. He loved weapons, and liked to conflict...> - After

him, I met another man who was Aries lagna (in Rasi & Navamsa). We> didn't have

conflicts, but we didn't live together.> - Now, I am with a men who has Sun in

Aries (4th), Mars in 2th (Kujadosha> too ?) in Aquarius & vargottama, and his

Navamsa lagna is Aries.> What is good between us is bedpleasures (Mars, lord of

7th, in 12th... ;-),> but they are still conflicts between us since we live

together.> > I read in J.Braha's book that :> "the person with Kujadosha will

be somehow victimized in his marriage"> (that was the case for my ex-husbang,

who agressed me physically, and also> now, for my actuel partner, who agressed

me too, but psychologycally)> > and that :> "if two personnes have a Kujadosha,

they won't hurt each other."> With my last partner (Mars in 2th), is it the case

?> > J.Braha said also that "when two persons have Kujadosha, they will not

feel> much physical attraction between each other"> That's not the case with my

last partner : there is a lot of attraction> between us. Do I have to conclude

that he doesn't have Kujadosha in his> chart ? (But he has Mars in 2th !)> >

(P.S. When I was agressed by my ex-husband, I was in Saturn - Mars dasas>

(Vimshottari dasa), and Mars is maraka)> > Hope this will help.> > > P.S.

Manoj, you said :>> account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd

lord...> > Mars is, in my case, lord of 2th & 7th. How can I see the strenght

of Mars> (in Shadbala ?)> And... how to see the strength of houses ?

October 19, 2001

Om Gurave Namah--------------------------Dear Sarajit,

Great!! so you also feel that there is no scope at all for what we call free

will (and what I call limited free will within a bounded rationality). Fine

then why are you studying Jyotish in the first place? What do you gain by

knowing what is going to happen if you cannot do anything about it? Why waste

time wearing that Ruby. Throw it out of the window right now. And if you are

going to wear a gemstone or any other such thing that is going to give you luck

(what does luck mean? is it going to change your destiny-whether fortune, money,

health or anything else??) then you cannot make this statement. So, say what you

practise.

Now, I could have answered Inder Jit, but since he has said he will be gone, it

is fine. So be it. This topic is closed and I wonder how many more...

Have you not wondered as to how many in this list have had two or more marriages

and what happened about the first marriage that was "made in heaven". Perhaps

that was a different heaven or was it "made in hell"? I don't think about

marriage as cloth tags "Made in India" types. I think differently and base my

views on what little I know of the shastra. This word marriage itself is a very

limited concept unlike the word VIVAHA which is a broad concept wherein various

types of marriages have been defined. If you read anthropology then you come

across various types of marriages practised throughout this world and there is

only one word which covers all of them and it is VIVAHA. There are many kinds

of VIVAHA. What you normally visualise as a ceremony performed on the basis of

ones religion is called BRAHMA VIVAHA and a duly dowered bride is given to the

Groom with the mantra OM Prajapataye Namah or whatever prayer for well being.

There is also the RAKSHASA VIVAHA where a girl or boy is kidnapped and is

forced into VIVAHA (this can be called RAPE also). This is being practised in

parts of Bihar today where the eligible groom is taken on gunpoint and made to

sit at a ceremony and continues in the wedlock till he is able to muster enough

courage to do something about it. Can we say that this marriage is 'made in

heaven'.

VIVAHA is based on the Upapada and this is a part of Maya and is ASAT. You have

come to this world alone and shall leave it alone. This is the truth. We cannot

say that only BRAHMA VIVAHA is correct. Look at the marriage of BHIMA and

HIDIMBAA or whatever was her name. Basically, this was a one-night stand types

and she bore GATOTKACHA. When nowhere in the Mahabharat has the VIVAHA been

questioned, do we have the right to question it now on the basis of some other

yardstick? And when we come to ARJUNA..he was truly Indra Putra and the only

lady he refused to oblige was Maneka (because she was Indra's associate and

like a mother to him)who cursed him to become a Napunsaka (that is why he

dressed and taught dance as a lady when in exile).

I think I have successfully created enough confusion in your young mind. Think

again what is VIVAHA and what are its types and what is the role of Bhagavan

Sri Ram in our lives. In any case the concept of 'marriage in heaven' is

definitely not a Hindu concept as there are many heavens and this sexual

concept of dancing etc is associated only with the lower heavens like Indra

Loka.

Now, you wrote that we have to act as per our Dharma. So,how can we act when we

are not allowed to act? When there is no scope of allowing me (I) to act then

how can I act and for what purpose shall I act? Why is Goravani making GJ3?

For whom is he acting? What is the purpose of the act and How is he making it

if there is no need for Him to make it?

Look at it like this. When I say 'I', what am I refering to? Try answering this

and then the picture will become clearer. Problem is that the word SWA which

means 'I' at various levels cannot be tied down to one level no matter how much

you try. We do not have an equivalent word for this in english.

I hope I have not sounded harsh..lets discuss this topic this Sunday.

Best WishesSanjay Rath

- Sarajit Poddar

gjlist

Friday, October 19, 2001 10:05 AM

Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

Hare Rama Krsna

Dear Gurudev!

Pranaam

I also agree with Inderjit that, we follow whatever is predestined in the

heavens. We are only followers like the puppets in the hands of Narayana and we

are not the doers, though we perceive that we are only doing everything. Only

when we are completely free from the feeling of we as doers, we are free from

the bondage of karma and thus with their results.

Even if we agree that everything is predestined, we can't sit helpless, thinking

that when everything is predestined, why should we interfere and give the

remedies!!! We have to act as per our own dharma. A jyotisha's dharma is to

take out the native from the problems by suggesting appropriate remedies. Who

knows, even those remedies we predestined. Gita says, no one can sit idle in

this world, he has to act according to his nature(prakriti). If we have to act,

why not act knowledgebly and fulfill our dharma.

Only because we can't deterministically predict the life partners doesn't mean

that they are not predestined in the heavens. This is only human limitation!!

Hence, Gita says just follow the dharma (one's duties and obligations) and

everything will fall in place. Just like when a person is ill, he goes to the

doctor and recovers, because his nature (prakriti) tells him to go to a doctor.

Thus this happens as he is destined to recover and his destiny guides his

prakriti to go to the doctor... This wouls look very complex and difficult to

understand, as this is nothing but Maya... In this world of maya everyone is

trying to satisfy his/ her ego, eventhough there is no difference exist between

anyone of us. Only when the person free from his ego (individuality, or the

feeling of doership), he is free from the domain of Maya... Until then all of

us are trapped...

PranaamSarajit

-

Sanjay Rath

gjlist

Friday, October 19, 2001 1:25 AM

Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

Om Gurave Namah--------------------------Dear Inder Jit,

OK Lets agree with your point that we marry whom we are bound to marry. Fine So,

i will give you one male horoscope and ten female horoscopes and you have to

tell me which one the male married as the marriage is destined/bound to marry

and you know destiny by say some method.

Do you accept this, if not then by using the standard principles of kuja Dosha

etc taught in the texts we can choose the right partner and then after they

marry you can say that they are husband and wife for seven lives and so

on...And even then sometimes the best of astrologers make a mistake.

Best WishesSanjay Rath

- Inder Jit Sahni

gjlist

Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:09 PM

Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

Sanjay wrote,"If a person with kuja dosha marries another without Kuja dosha

then theperson with Kuja dosha shall suffer. So, you suffered a lot and this

hasshown that the Kuja dosha was present and that it worked."Marriages are

decided in heaven and are celebrated on earth is a very commonquote, birth and

death are fixed and so fixed are our parents. And ifparents are fixed then by

astrology we can only choose to find out a alreadyfixed match for us to whom we

are bond to marry , no choice my dear.Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare

Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

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October 20, 2001

Om Gurave Namah--------------------------Dear

Inder Jit & Sarajit,

I am a humble SIKSHA GURU like so many others in this line and am human and can

err. I am not a Diksha Guru and am not qualified for the same, so please do not

expect that level of perfection from me. We are all walking on a very dark path

and can only pray to Vasudeva to throw some light in this darkness. You had

started a very nice thread and this is very nice to discuss as this questions

the very foundations of Jyotish itself. Had it not been for external

interference, this would have continued ..now that you ask, may Jagannatha

Mahaprabhu guide my hand..

Karma & Free will

1. After death, a person carries with him the dharma and the Karma which can

be divided into two broad parts called Sanchita Karma and Prarabdha Karma.

Sanchita Karma is finished in various types of hells and suffering in the life

after death whereas Prarabdha Karma has to be carried into another body and can

be burnt only through experience. So, only the most elevated souls who have

complete control over their Indriya's (sense's) are not affected by these

experiences in this life. All others are.

2. Based on the Prarabdha Karma, Krishna decides the circumstances of birth,

experiences and length of life that a person has to undergo to complete this

Prarabdha. Sometimes one life is not enough and many births maybe necessary.

The conception chart is used to determine the past karma. In fact the

Dwadasamsa (D-12 Chart) of the Nisheka (Conception) tells us many details. This

is not a practical proposition, but not an impossibility given the direction of

development of the biological sciences. The Janma Kundali (Birth Chart) is the

perfect map of the Prarabdha Karma and the Shastyamsa (D-60 Chart) is the most

vital in the Shodasavarga scheme of Parasara. The D-60 gets the highest

weightage in the Vimsopaka Bala scheme and hence establishes its priority over

others. This chart also tells us about the Prarabdha Karma in addition to the

Navamsa, Rasi and other charts in their relative importance (weights assigned

by Parasara in Vimsopaka scheme).

3. Given this paradigm of the theory of Karma and rebirth, we hardly have any

space to maneuver and it seems that the journey through this life is an

inevitable jail term that we must bear. This is true. Now the hard question is

what is the role of Jyotish and in what way is the Jyotish going to help in

altering the inalterable or changing that which cannot be changed as the term

is fixed and so is the sentence inevitable. In reply some astrologers offer

platitudes like making the suffering easier by knowing that this was an

eventuality and that this is only a natural reaction to what we had done, but

then this is a nice logical analysis and is not really supported by the

traditional texts or literature. This question was answered in detail by

Harihara the author of Prasna Marga (translation Dr B V Raman). After reading

that, all doubts will disappear and you will realize the great job that Dr

Raman has done.

4. Like every other birth, the Atma rides (Arudha) this Mana (Mind-Moon)

which controls this Sareera (Body). The Atma remebers all tis past incarnations

but the Mana, being new and aware of this incarnation alone cannot understand

the reason behind the various forms of suffering that it sees and experiences.

It expresses anger when a feeling that injustice has been done (based on its

awareness and concept of justice) this is Mars and later this passion results

in sorrow as the atma does not cooperate with the Mana being aware that the

Prarabdha Karma is being burnt through this anubhava (experience). It is here

that Jupiter intervenes. If Jupiter is strong in simhalokamsa or is

strengthened by adoration of one's DIKSHA GURU (be careful here - not Siksha

Guru's like K N Rao or myself and Achyutananda Dasa has warned us to be very

careful with the advent and advancement of Kali Yuga w.r.t guru's), then one is

directed in the path of self correction through recitation of prayers for

forgiveness and protection from evil experiences that are destined to come.

5. This is the point of Harihara when he was explaining the value of Prasna.

Prasna tells us whether the native has done better or worse Karma from his birth

till the time of Prasna. Thus Karma done in this life is immediately recorded by

Chitra Gupta (sitting on the star Chitra -linked to Chitra paksha Ayanamsa

maybe). [some astrologers advise the worship of Chitra gupta the assistants of

Yama on Chaitra (derived from Chitra) Poornima so that they may skip some

records of your bad Karma!!!]. This immediate recording results in an

alteration or influence to the birth/natal chart and has a profound influence

on the immediate and long term future.

If the Natal Chart planetary positions are better than the Prasna chart, then

the person has fallen further in this life i.e. accumulated more bad karma.

If the Natal chart planetary indications are worse than the Prasna chart then

infer that he has done better Karma in this life, and to that extent shall have

a better future.

If the indications of the Natal and Prasna chart are the same, then then he is

merely sailing through this life experiences the past Karma.

That the effect of this Karma can alter the indications of the Janma Kundali

including Longevity (Please keep calm and read further).

6. It is evident from the above clear statements that the Karma we do in this

life is immediately recorded from the moment the Karma is performed and has an

immediate impact on the future whether immediate or distant or subsequent

births. It is here that another question crops up. This is the question of FREE

WILL. Now, what is free will? It means the power to determine the action that

one shall take as a consequence to or for the purpose of some event or goal. It

is a goal directed action and not an involuntary action. This is where the

question of Upachaya comes up and the houses 3,6,10 & 11 deal with the actions

that one can or will take given the various inputs from the environment (33% is

bounded rationality like the Simonian model of decision making) . Thus, in the

first place, this action itself is bounded by various inputs and this is called

bounded rationality depending on four factors that are like four boundaries of a

plot - Information (Knowledge) called BUDDHI [Dharma-Ayana], Resources that are

focused on VRIDDHI or increase of wealth [Artha-Ayana], Abilities that fulfil

desires based on (the purity of) the purpose SUDDHI [Kaama -Ayana] and finally

Time that is the final giver of emancipation and end of all Karma whether

Sanchita or Prarabdha called SIDDHI [Moksha-Ayana]. Here comes the greatest

teaching of the Gita "KARMA IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT BUT YOU HAVE NO RIGHT

(ADHIKARA) ON THE FRUITS". This adhikara or right to freedom of Action is the

only birth right given by God.

Hence Harihara (Prasna Marga) prays

Madhyatavyadhipam Dugdhasindhukanyadhwam Dhiya

Dhiyayami sadhwaham Buddhe Suddhyai Vriddhyai cha Siddhye

7. Once again we come to the definiton of the self (SWA) and find that the

Atma is merely an observer and hence these houses or UPACHAYA for reckoning the

right to action or exercise of free-will is not at the level of the Atma and is

merely a process of action and reaction of the Mana and Sareera in this

manifested Universe. Thus, this is only to be seen from the Lagna and

especially, the Moon, especially the tenth house from the Moon. Kalyan Verma

(Saravali) has given a very detailed explanation on the placement of individual

planets or groups of them in the tenth from the Moon. Why is so much importance

being given to the Moon for this free-will? It is the mind where the seed of

all action is generated and hence Moon the Manakaraka is the playground for

this Maya to act on. This is what the Bhagavat Gita teaches "Give the reigns of

the horses (of your mind) to Krishna and see how He shall steer you through the

battlefield of life (Life in the Kali Yuga is viewed as a battle field)". The

Rig Veda is very clear about the generation of this seed of all action in the

mind in Vishwamitra's prayer to Brihaspati:

Suchim-arkair Brihaspatim advareshu namasyate ...

May Brihaspati (the Deva Guru -note my earlier explanation to the importance of

the Diksha Guru and Jupiter) the granter of success (to all our actions - the

term adhvareshu refers to the inviolable principle or the TRUTH that must

prevail like OM TAT SAT) give us good thoughts (that lead to such actions that

are inviolable - the inviolable principle also refers to holding back such

thoughts that lead to such Karma that would violate the principles of Dharma).

8. It is evident that this concept of free will is limited to the Mana and

that too the Upachaya's i.e. those thoughts that are action related. Having

accepted the limited free will concept, we now come to the method of Vedic

remedial measures called Mantra i.e. Mana + Trai or protection of the Mana from

(a) generating such seeds of evil thought that result in evil Karma, as well as

(b) protecting against the provocation from the experiences of Past karma that

can bring anger, sorrow and passion (Rajas) and ignorance (Tamas) to dominate

the Mana and raise the level of the Mana to that of the Atma (self

realisation).

9. Inder jit, please do not read me wrong when I say this. Vivaha (i.e.

Marriage and its specific form) is destined in the form of an ANUBHAVA and to

say that two people were married for so many births or shall continue together

for so many births is fine if you are a priest solemnising the marriage but not

as a Jyotisha. How the Mana will react to the various experiences that it is

subject to and is so confused about (not having the knowledge of Prarabdha) is

what a Jyotisha should be looking for. This is where he can guide if he is

aware of the pitfalls and troubles that can result from a mismatch like Kuja

Dosha (that was what had started this thread). I have done lots of studies in

this area and unlike others have also given out a lot of 'so called secrets'

related to determination of circumstances, timing, Lagna of spouse, status of

family, details about the in-laws and possible troubles like mother-in-law

problem etc. In fact my writings in this area are very comprehensive and still,

I cannot say with any certainty that this is the spouse (although I have done

this and have later wondered as to why I was so sure..an inner feeling that I

cannot explain). In fact the Royal family of Agra will vouch on this, when I

was 100% sure that the two charts Rani-mata had brought were to get married (I

also gave the time when the boy would agree and what not all). Prasna is a very

vital tool for this.

Thank you again for bearing with my Chandrastama problem..( I see transits from

Natal positions in Navamsa as well). We men are also feminine as we cannot

escape this monthly cycle... HE alone is the Purusha.

Om Tat SatSanjay Rath

-

Inder Jit Sahni

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Friday, October 19, 2001 7:00 AM

Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

Dear Sanjay,Though it could be done , but still we are in such a stage in

astrology thatwe cannot prove many things like in science that Hydrogen and

oxygencombined will always make water.People will believe that Astrology is

ascience when it will become so.To match the best horoscopes is a very easy

thing and to predict the destinywhich two will marry will depend on very high

intuitive capability andindividual capacity, but even if one will try to

interfere with the destiny,one may not succeed.At least i cannot change the

destiny of any individual .Some Guru astrologers could do that , i doubt.But

Even Krishna could not change the destiny of Arjuna , so no body couldinterfere

,we can give mental solace and that is our limit.Same was done byLord Krishna by

his teaching to Arjuna.Some times we do predict that these persons are sure to

marry , but dependson parameters and circumstances.No further debate on this

issue , i will not be available to answer beingvery busy at the moment with my

other activities.With Regards,Inder Jit Sahni-

"Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath ><gjlist>Friday,

October 19, 2001 1:25 AMRe: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptionsOm Gurave

Namah--------------------------Dear Inder

Jit,OK Lets agree with your point that we marry whom we are bound to marry.

FineSo, i will give you one male horoscope and ten female horoscopes and

youhave to tell me which one the male married as the marriage is

destined/boundto marry and you know destiny by say some method.Do you accept

this, if not then by using the standard principles of kujaDosha etc taught in

the texts we can choose the right partner and then afterthey marry you can say

that they are husband and wife for seven lives and soon...And even then

sometimes the best of astrologers make a mistake.Best WishesSanjay Rath-----

Original Message -----Inder Jit SahnigjlistSent:

Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:09 PMRe: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptionsSanjay

wrote,"If a person with kuja dosha marries another without Kuja dosha then

theperson with Kuja dosha shall suffer. So, you suffered a lot and this

hasshown that the Kuja dosha was present and that it worked."Marriages are

decided in heaven and are celebrated on earth is a very commonquote, birth and

death are fixed and so fixed are our parents. And ifparents are fixed then by

astrology we can only choose to find out a alreadyfixed match for us to whom we

are bond to marry , no choice my dear.Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare

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October 21, 2001

Dear Sanjay,

Thanks for your message- I could find "my experience" better explained by what

you said than by what I've read about Kujadosaja-issue. Partner's lower

moral-yes, that's the right "button" indeed...Uh, at least one bad thing I

don't have in my horoscope- good to know. I am silently sinking down, in my

deb.Moon mahadosha, being more of an observer than a participant in my life-

that helps reduce the pain. Everything has to end sometime- life itself, as

well. Comforting?

Great to have you on the list.

Thanks for response.

Anna

-

Sanjay Rath

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Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:36 PM

Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

Om Gurave Namah--------------------------Dear Anna,

This is not Kuja dosha causing the break in marriage really. With Mars in the

fourth you would want your partner to spend more time at home and this would be

a root cause for start of ay problem. Martian aspect on Capricorn is really not

bad as this is his exaltation house. Sun in seventh indicates that the partner

may have lower morals as the Sun is the second lord and this can cause

problems. Need to see full chart.Best WishesSanjay Rath

- a.r.

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Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:23 AM

Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

Dear Sanjay, Phil.

With Cancer Lagna, Mars in 4th, Jupiter in Pisces in 9th/opposing Lord of 7th

(can that be considered a good sign?), Sun in 7th-I was married once- no

violence, just financial advantage did he have from me, since I wanted to

divorce the easiest possible way-out of court, and to take my son with me. No,

I don't like that living-dead person.. Is this Kuja-dosha.. ? After that

experience I haven't considered marriage. It was a bitter experience, but I

guess all divorces are?Anna

-

Phyl Chubb MA

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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:34 PM

Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

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Sanjay Rath

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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:06 PM

Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

Om Gurave Namah--------------------------Dear Marie,

What Manoj said is the general rule and IS CORRECT. What you faced is a

specific deviation that is not normally listed while giving general rules.

Understand the principle and then the problem goes away.

If a person with kuja dosha marries another without Kuja dosha then the person

with Kuja dosha shall suffer. So, you suffered a lot and this has shown that

the Kuja dosha was present and that it worked.

Now coming to the rule of Jupiters aspect. Let me put it like this. Jupiter is

the symbol of peace and protection in the chart whereas Mars is the symbol of

agression and violence. When Jupiter aspects Mars, it controls Mars and compels

it to give up agression and violence and take to the path of peace. To do this

job, Jupiter must be strong and and at least stronger than Mars. Aspect of

Saturn on Mars also removes Kuja dosha.

In your chart, Jupiter is retrograde in Pisces and perhaps in debility or weak

in Navamsa. Jupiter is also the sixth Lord and is unlikely to intervene as much

as it would have done say, when it is the ninth lord. And finally, Jupiter is

the Lord of the sixth house. In any case you are alive and among us today

because Jupiter aspected Mars..

Remedy lies in wearing a Rudraksha of as many faces as the house position of

Jupiter and reciting the Akasha beeja HAM with the name of Hanumanji or Shiva

like HAM Hanumate Namah or HOUM Namah Shivaya. Fasting on Ekadasi is the best

remedy to get over Kuja Dosha as this Tithi is ruled by Mars.

Best WishesSanjay Rath

- Marie-Christine Sclifet

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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:43 PM

Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

le 16/10/01 11:28 (TU +2), via son e-mail <manojpathak (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>, ManojPathak

a écrit :> In such cases, the best thing to look for is Bhava Milan and then

take into> account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord and

benefic> aspect of Jupiter. If these are present, the maleficence due to Mars

dosha> would be taken care of.> Still the benevolence of Jupiter will prevail

irrespective of the rising> sign. Take a test. Whenever Jupiter aspects the 7th

house or the 7th lord,> even if the partners are not having the best of

matrimonial bliss, still> their friends and neighbours would not even come of

know of it. Jupiter> covers it all.> ManojDear all, dear Manoj,It's the first

time I say something on the list. I'm newbye (I don't knowif this word is

correct), and I'm still a student in vedic astrology.I say hello to all of you

:-))Plase forgive my english : I speak french and I'm not used to write

inEnglish ;-(I'm very interested by your conversation abouth Kujadosha :I've

Mars (lord of 2th and 7th) in 12th in Virgo.Jupiter (in 6th, own house, Pisces)

aspects Mars.Mars is associated with Mercury (exalted, lord of 9th & 12th in

12th).My birthdata :August 25 196311h33 am CET (10h33 am GMT)Etterbeek,

Bruxelles, Belgium (50N49' 4E23')Moon and lagna in Libra.Navamsa lagna :

SagittariusMy questions are :- do I still have a Kuja dosha with Jupiter's

aspect on Mars ?(I don't know if Jup aspects benefically Mars)Mars is the 7th

lord, in 12 th :-(, but Mars still aspects its own house(7th)Mars is also 2th

lord, then I have 2th & 7th lord in 12th ! :-(( => twice atime Kujadosha :-(-

Do Mercury and Jupiter have a benefical influence on the 7th, or on

theKujadosha ?For infos :I got married in 1986. After, two chidren, and

after... my husband agressedme in 1994 (very destructively -> my right kidney

exploded -> hole hemorragyblood....)After that, I was separated of him and I

divorced in 2000.I saw in all my partners's charts that they are all "martians"

:- my ex-husband had Moon conjuct Mars in 5th in Aquarius. Sun & Jup in

Leo(aspected by Mars) in 11th. He loved weapons, and liked to conflict...-

After him, I met another man who was Aries lagna (in Rasi & Navamsa). Wedidn't

have conflicts, but we didn't live together.- Now, I am with a men who has Sun

in Aries (4th), Mars in 2th (Kujadoshatoo ?) in Aquarius & vargottama, and his

Navamsa lagna is Aries.What is good between us is bedpleasures (Mars, lord of

7th, in 12th... ;-),but they are still conflicts between us since we live

together.I read in J.Braha's book that :"the person with Kujadosha will be

somehow victimized in his marriage"(that was the case for my ex-husbang, who

agressed me physically, and alsonow, for my actuel partner, who agressed me

too, but psychologycally)and that :"if two personnes have a Kujadosha, they

won't hurt each other."With my last partner (Mars in 2th), is it the case

?J.Braha said also that "when two persons have Kujadosha, they will not

feelmuch physical attraction between each other"That's not the case with my

last partner : there is a lot of attractionbetween us. Do I have to conclude

that he doesn't have Kujadosha in hischart ? (But he has Mars in 2th !)(P.S.

When I was agressed by my ex-husband, I was in Saturn - Mars dasas(Vimshottari

dasa), and Mars is maraka)Hope this will help.P.S. Manoj, you said :> account

the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord...Mars is, in my case,

lord of 2th & 7th. How can I see the strenght of Mars(in Shadbala ?)And... how

to see the strength of houses ?Thanks to all of you for your answers :-))With

my best wishes :-))Marie-ChristineOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna;

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Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaaya

Dear

Best Wishes

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Sanjay Rath [srath (AT) vsnl (DOT) com]Monday,

October 22, 2001 9:53 PMgjlistSubject: RE: [GJ] Kuja Dosha

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Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaaya

Dear Anna,

I found a peculiar reading advising the worship of Saturn for a debilitated

Moon. Perhaps the implication is that the person may have to see sorrow due to

the placement as this is the natural eighth house of the zodiac.

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

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October 22, 2001 7:56 AMgjlistSubject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha