Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Hi Nicholas <<Dear Sanjay I am glad you are back on the list because you are certainly knowledgeable.>> I agree. <<On the jyotish list(formerly majordomo) K.N.Rao gives frequent predictions around world events so I am hoping that you also will make predictions to demonstrate that your superior knowledge actually results in greater predictive accuracy.>> Nicholas, i do not think that Sanjay has to demostrate anything. If you have a good intuition you know about his knowledge. And regarding greater predictive accuracy, what do you want to do with it? Make money out of it? Sometimes when you make waves, scorpions come to get you, either to profit from you or to get you down. I have seen some chuch leaders and politicians done that to me. So, what is the point of showing off?, to please some people like you? I do not think that Sanjay has to show his credentials to show his knowledge. He is a great astrologer and that is enough to know. Best whishes natabara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Om Gurave Namah--------------------------Dear Nicholas, Namaskar. Strange, but KN Rao had also made this statement in 1996 and in a way, has been a teacher to guide me (although by such a statement) to demonstrate the ability of the Narayana dasa, I cast it for India and made some predictions that landed me in trouble. You can visit http://sanjayrath.tripod.com and take a looka t some predictions. India going Nuclear was a very specific prediction that was dot on the Mark including Vajpayee continuing in office. There are so many such people who have benefitted from this knowledge. OK So, I need to spend more time becoming famous than in teaching! But I will do as you suggest as it comes from another Jyotish and is a becon of light for me. Thanks for the guidance.Best WishesSanjay Rath - Nicholas gjlist Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:36 AM Re: [GJ] SJVC teaching Dear Sanjay I am glad you are back on the list because you are certainly knowledgeable .On the jyotish list(formerly majordomo) K.N.Rao gives frequent predictions around world events so I am hoping that you also will make predictions to demonstrate that your superior knowledge actually results in greater predictive accuracy . Yours in the jyotish vidya Nicholas , I have been off this list for sometime now. Just read a mail that quoted you saying that what is being taught at SJVC is not traditional Jyotish. A long time back K N Rao and I were together in another list called Majordomo. At tha time the goravani list did not even exist... way back in 1996 I think. A western astrologer asked a very simple question "Why do Mars, jupiter and saturn & Rahu alone have special aspects. Why not the others?" K N Rao could not answer this. I gave innumerable hints and everyone in the list was still unable to get to this. Then I had to give the answer. Since I was a new person and this was his teaching forum, i left. Besides, I was an admirer of Dr Raman and till date preserve that magazine on which I had requested his blessings. It is dated 14.6.1996. If you still do not know the answer to this, then it is high time to consider bowing to Lord Jagannath Mahaprabhu and read the book Narayana dasa for yourself. If after reading this you find that there is something wrong, then I am prepared to answer your queries. My request is not to go by hear-say and to read the book yourself. Recently Ronnie Dreyer was plesantly surprised to learn that I used a 365 day year. She was under the impression that I used 360 days as was talked about by narasimha. People should not assume that what some of my students maybe experimenting with is my teaching. That is not fair. I give freedom so that they can try and see the truth themselves instead of throttling them down to swallow my tale. Lagnamsaka alone is mentioned along with Padanadhamsa Dasa. you will find ample examples of this also in my book. You are well aware of the differences we have about seven and eight Karaka and as usual, you are politically more active whereas I spend my time in teaching and writing..so, the results are obvious. Your group is at all the active forums where decisions on Jyotish are being made, yet this little fellow from a little town in a little state of Orissa has his say..just as Jyotish was accepted as an ART's subject and NOT as a science subject. Do you know why? I surrender everything to Jagannatha mahaprabhu and let Him decide. Whereever I have given anything from the teachings which is not there in any published text, I have humbly told that this is what I was taught and have not ARROGATED this as Original research!!! Best WishesSanjay RathOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Om Gurave Namah--------------------------Raghu, The data you seek is as follows: Dasha days per year you use: 365 (already mentioned) Saura Varsha to be precise.Ayanamsa: Lahiri (Chitra Paksha)Chart diagram style: Can use all styles equally comfortably. Like it if the SUN Chart is given as used in East India.Lunar Parallax: NONodal aspects: Rahu aspects as has been described in Classics (2,5,7,9 in regular order). Ketu does not have aspect. In any case I find it hard to imagine How Ketu without a head can see. Graha Drishti is desire and ketu signifies end of desire or Moksha. So, no aspect for this one.Hora Varga system: Parasari Vargas strictly. Hora (Sings owned by Luminaries alone) as given by Parasara is the opposite principle of Trimsamsa (signs NOT owned by Luminaries) and Dhanam refers to the Dhanam given by Vishnu that is FOOD for our survival and not MONEY or Cash. Hence the life giving Luminaries own the Hora's. The other Hora Charts are also useful but cannot dominate over this. For example we use a different Hora for wealth, but this is not as important as Food and Life. No matter how rich one becomes, cannot stop eating can we? Use Shodasa Varga and also the Rudramsa and Kauluka's mentioned by Jaimini. Been experimenting with Astorramsa of late - Navamsa of Dwadasamsa or Dwadasamsa of Navamsa.Mean/True Nodes: Mean nodes as the Nodes have to be retrograde all the time by definition in Vedic astrology and this situation can occur only with mean nodes.Outer Planets: NO. Bha-chakra for Manushya jataka ends at the Loka-loka mountains (You understand this).Glyph symbology: Started using them, but prefer numbers as is used in the tradition. Would also like to have the Nakshatra numbers mentioned besides the planets in the Rasi Chakra.Bhava Equal or Sripati: Equal - 15 Deg either side of Lagna Sphuta. So, the Bhava is always in the same Rasi.Chara (Jaimini) Karakas: 8 (already stated) Yes as per the Astadala Padma held by the Sun God Sri Konarka. Please use the term Chara Karaka as Parasara was the first I know who taught about them. So, why is it mentioned as Jaimini Karaka. Further as per the tradition, the Param Guru is Sri Veda Vyasa deva and the Primary references are to be only to Parasara, the one Who will be the next equivalent of Vyasa deva when the Kalki Avatar arrives. I use : 9 Naisargika Karaka (Navagraha- You have the most exhaustive list in your software), 8 Chara Karaka (Sun to Rahu) [Only these eight are qualified as we have taken birth and either one of them can signify the Atma or the Soul. Ketu cannot signify the Atma as it indicates the atma has got Moksha which would be in total contradiction to the fact of having taken birth in this planet]and 7 Sthira Karaka [Those with a body can give a body and these are the seven from sun to saturn. The nodes Rahu and Ketu are mere points in space and do not have aphysical body. these are the Rudra or the destroyers of the body indicating death. this is the vital principle behind the Sun-Moon-Rahu Chakra].Lords by Sign or Bhava: No difference as the Bhava Madhya will always fall in continuous signs as the Rasi's using 15 deg either side.Best WishesSanjay Rath - Das Goravani gjlist Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:30 AM Re: [GJ] SJVC teaching Hello Sanjay,I would appreciate it if you listed your current opinions about thefollowing since you mentioned one:---------------------------Dasha days per year you use: 365 (already mentioned)Ayanamsa:Chart diagram style:Lunar Parallax:Nodal aspects:Hora Varga system:Mean/True Nodes:Outer Planets:Glyph symbology:Bhava Equal or Sripati:Jaimini Karakas: 8 (already stated)Lords by Sign or Bhava:---------------------------Notes: Hora Varga: Some people think the simple Sun/Moon approach is wrong,they have another approach, which I cannot describe to you. Glyph symbology: Not real important, do you use letters, numbers, what?for signs and planets.Lords: By signs means the lord of the 9th sign is in the 9th house,etc., this is very typical, the Bhava approach is the lord of the signwhere the Madhya lay is in which Bhava by equal or Sripati...this is a"pure bhava" approach. -- Das Goravanidas (AT) goravani (DOT) comhttp://www.goravani.comD'>http://www.goravani.comDancing Moon, Inc.2852 Willamette St # 353Eugene OR USA 97405 or Fax: 541-343-0344"Goravani Jyotish"Vedic/Hindu Astrology SoftwareOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.com Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Om Gurave Namah--------------------------Dear Nicholas, I have done this in the past when K N Rao made an exactly similar statement...strange. He does not make such statements after some predictions USING NARAYANA DASA WERE ON THE DOT. Read them at http://sanjayrath.tripod.com There is a nice story (as a lesson) when one learns Jyotish. Once a Jyotish had mastered all the knowledge from his Guru and started a powerful tapasya. His muhurta choise and use of the knowledge of this shastra shook Indra loka and the Devas went running to india to inquire about the impending loss of throne. Indra was not worried. after all he is not the king for nothing. He sent messengers to Prithvi Loka spreading the message about the greatness of the Jyotish and how accurate his predictions were. People from all quarters thronged to get predictions and he became famous. He was so busy with all the additional work and greeting powerful persons that he could not devote time for his Tapasya. The threat to Indra Loka was over and the Deva's rejoiced at how simply Indra had again defeated another Manushya. I cannot prove to you that Jagannath exists. Faith comes from within. So, please try the tools yourself. As regards predictions, I have made one big prediction about Satya Sanatana Dharma for 480 years from 2000 AD. Political predictions have been made personally and I do not want fame by divulging as to who has been told what and how they benefitted. If you know Naveen Patnaik, CM Orissa or anybody in the defence ministry where I got some nice letters calling for my explanation for making predictions, then ask them about my accuracy. If you know anyone in VajpayeeJi's office ask them about my predictions and if anyone in the BJP then check what I have predicted about the BJP and its golden 14 year run. What has started in Afghanistan is nothing short of a Mahabharat and what you are seeing is only the begining. Satya Sanatana will be established. It is more important for me if another person believes that Jagannath exists in all and starts reciting his Ista mantra.Best WishesSanjay Rath - Nicholas gjlist Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:36 AM Re: [GJ] SJVC teaching Dear Sanjay I am glad you are back on the list because you are certainly knowledgeable .On the jyotish list(formerly majordomo) K.N.Rao gives frequent predictions around world events so I am hoping that you also will make predictions to demonstrate that your superior knowledge actually results in greater predictive accuracy . Yours in the jyotish vidya Nicholas , I have been off this list for sometime now. Just read a mail that quoted you saying that what is being taught at SJVC is not traditional Jyotish. A long time back K N Rao and I were together in another list called Majordomo. At tha time the goravani list did not even exist... way back in 1996 I think. A western astrologer asked a very simple question "Why do Mars, jupiter and saturn & Rahu alone have special aspects. Why not the others?" K N Rao could not answer this. I gave innumerable hints and everyone in the list was still unable to get to this. Then I had to give the answer. Since I was a new person and this was his teaching forum, i left. Besides, I was an admirer of Dr Raman and till date preserve that magazine on which I had requested his blessings. It is dated 14.6.1996. If you still do not know the answer to this, then it is high time to consider bowing to Lord Jagannath Mahaprabhu and read the book Narayana dasa for yourself. If after reading this you find that there is something wrong, then I am prepared to answer your queries. My request is not to go by hear-say and to read the book yourself. Recently Ronnie Dreyer was plesantly surprised to learn that I used a 365 day year. She was under the impression that I used 360 days as was talked about by narasimha. People should not assume that what some of my students maybe experimenting with is my teaching. That is not fair. I give freedom so that they can try and see the truth themselves instead of throttling them down to swallow my tale. Lagnamsaka alone is mentioned along with Padanadhamsa Dasa. you will find ample examples of this also in my book. You are well aware of the differences we have about seven and eight Karaka and as usual, you are politically more active whereas I spend my time in teaching and writing..so, the results are obvious. Your group is at all the active forums where decisions on Jyotish are being made, yet this little fellow from a little town in a little state of Orissa has his say..just as Jyotish was accepted as an ART's subject and NOT as a science subject. Do you know why? I surrender everything to Jagannatha mahaprabhu and let Him decide. Whereever I have given anything from the teachings which is not there in any published text, I have humbly told that this is what I was taught and have not ARROGATED this as Original research!!! Best WishesSanjay RathOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Om Gurave Namah--------------------------Dear Manoj, Nice mail. Strange that you used the word Kaal.. I was just thinking of Madhavrao Scindia and they say when Kaal comes it takes three people before going. Vijayarajeji has gone, now Madhavrao..who next I wonder - pray that I am wrong. Please be kind enough to tell me the principles that are wrong. Unless you speak out it will mean MOUNAM SAMMATI LAKSHANAM... Get hold of my tapes at BAVA conference and you will get a better glimpse of the Astadala Padma and the eight Karaka. I know you will not agree. Appreciate your feelings for your guru. this is the reason why among all his students, I respect you very much. Knowledge can come only to one who is dedicated to his Guru, and you are also born is Dhanus Lagna with a Guru-mangala Yoga or some such strong Guru Yoga if my little memory serves me well. So, you are as dedicated to your Guru as I am to mine. But what I have not liked about you is that you keep telling that what I teach is wrong and spread such tales. If this is what you call friendship Manoj, then who will need enemies. is this the same Manoj pathak I have known for so long. Is it fair to hang someone without giving him a hearing ''WITH AN OPEN MIND". Is this scientific temper!!? Like Gyaneshwara's sister prayed, i too pray that let the strong Guru open your mind's door to the brilliant rays of the Narayana dasa. Honestly, Do you know Narayana Dasa calculations? I can give you a software that will do this for you. Please visit my site http://sanjayrath.tripod.com and see the accuracy with which the Narayana dasa shows the fall of USSR, the timings of successive deaths from Leonid Breznev etc.in Leo Narayan dasa and how the Sun pulled down USSR...till Gorbachev's Glasnost in Pisces dasa (Gorby had Pisces Lagna..) Is all this just a coincidence. I have given at least a few hundred charts in my books and you dismiss Narayana as baseless.. This is not being fair. Do not close your mind to knowledge. Know it and then decide its worth. Best WishesSanjay Rath - Manoj Pathak gjlist Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:54 AM Re: [GJ] SJVC teaching Dear Sanjay,As always you are welcome back. Because atleast your presence on the list gives rise to serious discussions about astrology, otherwise majority of time is spent on discussing the good and bad aspects of various techniques advocated by different people.>I have been off this list for sometime now. Just read a mail that quoted >you saying that what is being taught at SJVC is not traditional Jyotish. A >long time back K N Rao and I were together in another list called >Majordomo. At tha time the goravani list did not even exist... way back in >1996 I think. A western astrologer asked a very simple question "Why do >Mars, jupiter and saturn & Rahu alone have special aspects. Why not the >others?" K N Rao could not answer this. I gave innumerable hints and >everyone in the list was still unable to get to this. Then I had to give >the answer. Since I was a new person and this was his teaching forum, i >left. Besides, I was an admirer of Dr Raman and till date preserve that >magazine on which I had requested his blessings. It is dated 14.6.1996.>>If you still do not know the answer to this, then it is high time to >consider bowing to Lord Jagannath Mahaprabhu and read the book Narayana >dasa for yourself. If after reading this you find that there is something >wrong, then I am prepared to answer your queries. My request is not to go >by hear-say and to read the book yourself.>I would rather not answer this. Because, I detest the wrong principles advocated by astrologers but I dont detest the astrologers advocating them. So in a way, it is like hating the pen but not the hand holding the pen. You can ask any of my students in Delhi and they will give you this answer. (and you know many of them).>Recently Ronnie Dreyer was plesantly surprised to learn that I used a 365 >day year. She was under the impression that I used 360 days as was talked >about by narasimha. People should not assume that what some of my students >maybe experimenting with is my teaching. That is not fair. I give freedom >so that they can try and see the truth themselves instead of throttling >them down to swallow my tale. Lagnamsaka alone is mentioned along with >Padanadhamsa Dasa. you will find ample examples of this also in my book.>>You are well aware of the differences we have about seven and eight Karaka >and as usual, you are politically more active whereas I spend my time in >teaching and writing..so, the results are obvious. Your group is at all the >active forums where decisions on Jyotish are being made, yet this little >fellow from a little town in a little state of Orissa has his say..just as >Jyotish was accepted as an ART's subject and NOT as a science subject. Do >you know why? I surrender everything to Jagannatha mahaprabhu and let Him >decide.>Excellent. But did I at any stage said that Sanjay Rath is not a knowledgeable person. NO. And you know it very well that I adopt whatever is good but leave out what does not satisfy my tests. And 8 Karakas have repeatedly failed my tests. So I dont use them. Y'day too, Purshottam mentioned about different texts containing Narayana Dasha. I simply said, "great, so use it". People thought I am being arrogant. But thats the way I do things. It simply meant that if you find it useful, go ahead and use and discover for yourself. I cannot ever hold anyone back from using anything one wants, neither can you. You and me can only demonstrate the principles. And if you want to drag me into a debate between your and Shri K.N. Rao, Sorry, I am not getting into it. For me, Shri K.N. Rao is my astrological Guru and Sanjay Rath is a friend.>Whereever I have given anything from the teachings which is not there in >any published text, I have humbly told that this is what I was taught and >have not ARROGATED this as Original research!!!>This is your personal feeling. No one should comment on that. "Kaal" is the best judge of people and their deeds. So lets leave it to HIM.with best wishes and regards,Take care,But do keep writing (even if it is in this tone)Manoj_______________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.aspOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.com Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Dear Sanjay Thanks for the site .I'll watch yours and Sri Rao's predictions . Fabulous story .Thanks for sharing it with us . Nicholas - Sanjay Rath gjlist Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:19 AM Re: [GJ] SJVC teaching Om Gurave Namah--------------------------Dear Nicholas, I have done this in the past when K N Rao made an exactly similar statement...strange. He does not make such statements after some predictions USING NARAYANA DASA WERE ON THE DOT. Read them at http://sanjayrath.tripod.com There is a nice story (as a lesson) when one learns Jyotish. Once a Jyotish had mastered all the knowledge from his Guru and started a powerful tapasya. His muhurta choise and use of the knowledge of this shastra shook Indra loka and the Devas went running to india to inquire about the impending loss of throne. Indra was not worried. after all he is not the king for nothing. He sent messengers to Prithvi Loka spreading the message about the greatness of the Jyotish and how accurate his predictions were. People from all quarters thronged to get predictions and he became famous. He was so busy with all the additional work and greeting powerful persons that he could not devote time for his Tapasya. The threat to Indra Loka was over and the Deva's rejoiced at how simply Indra had again defeated another Manushya. I cannot prove to you that Jagannath exists. Faith comes from within. So, please try the tools yourself. As regards predictions, I have made one big prediction about Satya Sanatana Dharma for 480 years from 2000 AD. Political predictions have been made personally and I do not want fame by divulging as to who has been told what and how they benefitted. If you know Naveen Patnaik, CM Orissa or anybody in the defence ministry where I got some nice letters calling for my explanation for making predictions, then ask them about my accuracy. If you know anyone in VajpayeeJi's office ask them about my predictions and if anyone in the BJP then check what I have predicted about the BJP and its golden 14 year run. What has started in Afghanistan is nothing short of a Mahabharat and what you are seeing is only the begining. Satya Sanatana will be established. It is more important for me if another person believes that Jagannath exists in all and starts reciting his Ista mantra.Best WishesSanjay Rath - Nicholas gjlist Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:36 AM Re: [GJ] SJVC teaching Dear Sanjay I am glad you are back on the list because you are certainly knowledgeable .On the jyotish list(formerly majordomo) K.N.Rao gives frequent predictions around world events so I am hoping that you also will make predictions to demonstrate that your superior knowledge actually results in greater predictive accuracy . Yours in the jyotish vidya Nicholas , I have been off this list for sometime now. Just read a mail that quoted you saying that what is being taught at SJVC is not traditional Jyotish. A long time back K N Rao and I were together in another list called Majordomo. At tha time the goravani list did not even exist... way back in 1996 I think. A western astrologer asked a very simple question "Why do Mars, jupiter and saturn & Rahu alone have special aspects. Why not the others?" K N Rao could not answer this. I gave innumerable hints and everyone in the list was still unable to get to this. Then I had to give the answer. Since I was a new person and this was his teaching forum, i left. Besides, I was an admirer of Dr Raman and till date preserve that magazine on which I had requested his blessings. It is dated 14.6.1996. If you still do not know the answer to this, then it is high time to consider bowing to Lord Jagannath Mahaprabhu and read the book Narayana dasa for yourself. If after reading this you find that there is something wrong, then I am prepared to answer your queries. My request is not to go by hear-say and to read the book yourself. Recently Ronnie Dreyer was plesantly surprised to learn that I used a 365 day year. She was under the impression that I used 360 days as was talked about by narasimha. People should not assume that what some of my students maybe experimenting with is my teaching. That is not fair. I give freedom so that they can try and see the truth themselves instead of throttling them down to swallow my tale. Lagnamsaka alone is mentioned along with Padanadhamsa Dasa. you will find ample examples of this also in my book. You are well aware of the differences we have about seven and eight Karaka and as usual, you are politically more active whereas I spend my time in teaching and writing..so, the results are obvious. Your group is at all the active forums where decisions on Jyotish are being made, yet this little fellow from a little town in a little state of Orissa has his say..just as Jyotish was accepted as an ART's subject and NOT as a science subject. Do you know why? I surrender everything to Jagannatha mahaprabhu and let Him decide. Whereever I have given anything from the teachings which is not there in any published text, I have humbly told that this is what I was taught and have not ARROGATED this as Original research!!! Best WishesSanjay RathOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Dear Sanjay, > >Nice mail. Strange that you used the word Kaal.. I was just thinking of >Madhavrao Scindia and they say when Kaal comes it takes three people before >going. Vijayarajeji has gone, now Madhavrao..who next I wonder - pray that >I am wrong.> Let destiny play its role. Who are you and me ? >Please be kind enough to tell me the principles that are wrong. Unless you >speak out it will mean MOUNAM SAMMATI LAKSHANAM...Get hold of my tapes at >BAVA conference and you will get a better glimpse of the Astadala Padma and >the eight Karaka. I know you will not agree. Appreciate your feelings for >your guru. this is the reason why among all his students, I respect you >very much. Knowledge can come only to one who is dedicated to his Guru, and >you are also born is Dhanus Lagna with a Guru-mangala Yoga or some such >strong Guru Yoga if my little memory serves me well. So, you are as >dedicated to your Guru as I am to mine. But what I have not liked about you >is that you keep telling that what I teach is wrong and spread such tales. >If this is what you call friendship Manoj, then who will need enemies. is >this the same Manoj pathak I have known for so long. Is it fair to hang >someone without giving him a hearing ''WITH AN OPEN MIND". Is this >scientific temper!!? Like Gyaneshwara's sister prayed, i too pray that let >the strong Guru open your mind's door to the brilliant rays of the Narayana >dasa.> I have many times said that on the list and repeat it now. I never discard a thing without testing it. Have you read Venkateshwar Press's Brihat Parashar Hora Shastra. It lists only 7 Karakas. Not eight. If not, go through it. If you feel that discussing something amongst friends (where some may differ on a particular aspect is not friendship) could lead to such statements as you made, then it is not my style. 7 karakas or 8 karakas, Jupiter placed in Capricorn and the dasha of Saggitarius is nil in the chart, not 13 years when Mercury is exalted, why ? May be you have your reasons for doing so but to me they dont answer few basic questions. >Honestly, Do you know Narayana Dasa calculations? I can give you a software >that will do this for you. Please visit my site >http://sanjayrath.tripod.com and see the accuracy with which the Narayana >dasa shows the fall of USSR, the timings of successive deaths from Leonid >Breznev etc.in Leo Narayan dasa and how the Sun pulled down USSR...till >Gorbachev's Glasnost in Pisces dasa (Gorby had Pisces Lagna..) Is all this >just a coincidence. I have given at least a few hundred charts in my books >and you dismiss Narayana as baseless.. This is not being fair. Do not close >your mind to knowledge. Know it and then decide its worth.> These days what is happening is that Sanjay, majority of us are involved in an act of self propagation. Unfortunately the broader goal, spreading the knowledge of astrology is lost or getting lost or may get lost with passage of time. What irks me is that we all adopt a stance "What I say is Correct ? what others say is wrong". Even this is not scientific temper. There are a few things which may never be resolved in the manner we are trying to do so only had I said, let "Kaal" (Time) (not the way you took that Kaal to mean) decide. So again I am leaving it to Kaal. With best wishes and best regards, Manoj _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2001 Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 Manoj, You wrote: > 7 karakas or 8 karakas, Jupiter placed in >Capricorn and the dasha of Saggitarius is nil in the chart, not 13 years >when Mercury is exalted, why ? May be you have your reasons for doing so but >to me they dont answer few basic questions. It is not a matter of getting the right answer to this question. It is a matter of *wanting* to know the answer. It is clear that *Kaal* has already arrived, and has arrived at your door in the form of me. What you are expressing is clearly your personal issue and attack against Sanjay Rath, and has nothing to do with the classical basis of his teachings. We astrologers in America, would send a client to a therapist with this kind of issue, rather than going on to give a reading or astrological analysis. PARAMAYUS AND RASI DASAS Anyway, the above question has been answered many times on this list (and understood by those who will listen). So, for the sake of students who want to know, all rasi dasas have a Paramayus (maximum longevity) of 144 years, as the maximum number of years a dasa can carry, are equivalent to the number of signs/houses in the zodiac, i.e. 12. Dasas of signs whose rulers are exalted, are increased by one year; and dasas of signs whose rulers are debilitated, are decreased by one year. Thus Mercury in Virgo, gives a dasa which cannot exceed 12 years, as more than that exceeds the limits possible with rasi dasas. Secondly, if Jupiter is in Capricorn, and one year is subtracted for the dasa of Sg, because of Jupiter's debilitation, then the dasa length is zero. Why a dasa of zero? Since the Paramayus is 144 years, the *next* cycle of dasas will give 12 years for Sg, (i.e. 12-0 = 12). The rule is, that for the next cycle of dasas, the number of years of the dasa in its first cycle, is subtracted from 12, to get the number of years of the dasa in the 2nd cycle. This preserves the symmetry of the dasas, and enables the final tally of years to equal 144. If the adjustment is not made in the next cycle of dasas, what do you think the year lengths of dasas in the next cycle should be? Case in point: In the Vimsottari dasa, the Paramayus is 120 years. So, for practically all charts nowadays, some dasas will not run at all, i.e. their lengths are zero. Do you have a problem with charts in which all 9 of Vimsottari dasas do not run in one lifetime? If you read the translations of Jaimini Sutras, by P.S. Shastri, B. Suryanarain Rao, and B.V. Raman, as well as BPHS by Sharma, you will find that for Chara dasa (which is but one progression, i.e. for Chara rasis in Narayana dasa), one year is added for dasas of signs whose rulers are exalted, and one year is subtracted for those whose rulers are debilitated. *K.N. Rao is the only author who dropped these rules, in defiance of all respected authorities*. These are simple explanations, which, if you *wanted* to learn you could. You can do better than the jealousy and petty personal vendetta you have against Sanjay Rath and his esteemed Jyotish guru varga. Best wishes, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk and rkoch rkoch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2001 Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 Dear List wow, I guess it doesn't matter that Das eliminated two members from the list for bickering and squabbling. There are many more to take their place. Das, do you see this reflected in the chart of the GJ list's inception? Maybe it is endemic to the list. Unfortunate that people cannot share without arguing. Is this due to strong sun in their chart? Marcia At 10:57 AM 10/18/01 -0700, you wrote: Manoj, You wrote: > 7 karakas or 8 karakas, Jupiter placed in >Capricorn and the dasha of Saggitarius is nil in the chart, not 13 years >when Mercury is exalted, why ? May be you have your reasons for doing so but >to me they dont answer few basic questions. It is not a matter of getting the right answer to this question. It is a matter of *wanting* to know the answer. It is clear that *Kaal* has already arrived, and has arrived at your door in the form of me. What you are expressing is clearly your personal issue and attack against Sanjay Rath, and has nothing to do with the classical basis of his teachings. We astrologers in America, would send a client to a therapist with this kind of issue, rather than going on to give a reading or astrological analysis. PARAMAYUS AND RASI DASAS Anyway, the above question has been answered many times on this list (and understood by those who will listen). So, for the sake of students who want to know, all rasi dasas have a Paramayus (maximum longevity) of 144 years, as the maximum number of years a dasa can carry, are equivalent to the number of signs/houses in the zodiac, i.e. 12. Dasas of signs whose rulers are exalted, are increased by one year; and dasas of signs whose rulers are debilitated, are decreased by one year. Thus Mercury in Virgo, gives a dasa which cannot exceed 12 years, as more than that exceeds the limits possible with rasi dasas. Secondly, if Jupiter is in Capricorn, and one year is subtracted for the dasa of Sg, because of Jupiter's debilitation, then the dasa length is zero. Why a dasa of zero? Since the Paramayus is 144 years, the *next* cycle of dasas will give 12 years for Sg, (i.e. 12-0 = 12). The rule is, that for the next cycle of dasas, the number of years of the dasa in its first cycle, is subtracted from 12, to get the number of years of the dasa in the 2nd cycle. This preserves the symmetry of the dasas, and enables the final tally of years to equal 144. If the adjustment is not made in the next cycle of dasas, what do you think the year lengths of dasas in the next cycle should be? Case in point: In the Vimsottari dasa, the Paramayus is 120 years. So, for practically all charts nowadays, some dasas will not run at all, i.e. their lengths are zero. Do you have a problem with charts in which all 9 of Vimsottari dasas do not run in one lifetime? If you read the translations of Jaimini Sutras, by P.S. Shastri, B. Suryanarain Rao, and B.V. Raman, as well as BPHS by Sharma, you will find that for Chara dasa (which is but one progression, i.e. for Chara rasis in Narayana dasa), one year is added for dasas of signs whose rulers are exalted, and one year is subtracted for those whose rulers are debilitated. *K.N. Rao is the only author who dropped these rules, in defiance of all respected authorities*. These are simple explanations, which, if you *wanted* to learn you could. You can do better than the jealousy and petty personal vendetta you have against Sanjay Rath and his esteemed Jyotish guru varga. Best wishes, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk (AT) robertkoch (DOT) com. rk (AT) robertkoch (DOT) com and rkoch (AT) bendnet (DOT) com rkoch (AT) bendnet (DOT) com Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2001 Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 Dear Robert, >It is clear that *Kaal* has already arrived, and has arrived at your door >in the form of me. What you are expressing is clearly your personal issue >and attack against Sanjay Rath, and has nothing to do with the classical >basis of his teachings. We astrologers in America, would send a client to a >therapist with this kind of issue, rather than going on to give a reading >or astrological analysis.> You are welcome, My KAAL. Come with all your tools. Navratras are on and what could the best time for Kaal to Come. >PARAMAYUS AND RASI DASAS > >Anyway, the above question has been answered many times on this list (and >understood by those who will listen). So, for the sake of students who >want to know, all rasi dasas have a Paramayus (maximum longevity) of 144 >years, as the maximum number of years a dasa can carry, are equivalent to >the number of signs/houses in the zodiac, i.e. 12. Dasas of signs whose >rulers are exalted, are increased by one year; and dasas of signs whose >rulers are debilitated, are decreased by one year. Thus Mercury in Virgo, >gives a dasa which cannot exceed 12 years, as more than that exceeds the >limits possible with rasi dasas. Secondly, if Jupiter is in Capricorn, and >one year is subtracted for the dasa of Sg, because of Jupiter's >debilitation, then the dasa length is zero. Why a dasa of zero? Since the >Paramayus is 144 years, the *next* cycle of dasas will give 12 years for >Sg, (i.e. 12-0 = 12). The rule is, that for the next cycle of dasas, the >number of years of the dasa in its first cycle, is subtracted from 12, to >get the number of years of the dasa in the 2nd cycle. This preserves the >symmetry of the dasas, and enables the final tally of years to equal 144. >If the adjustment is not made in the next cycle of dasas, what do you think >the year lengths of dasas in the next cycle should be? > As in your views, I dont *want* to learn so are you. Why dont you read the BPHS of Shri Khem Raj Publications (I hope I am remembering the name right). You wont, because in that version of BPHS, it is very clearly stated that there are only 7 Karakas. Arudhas are also different from the way you use it. But you wont like to read. Its perfectly ok with me. Because such things must keep occuring as it always helps the growth of astrology. >Case in point: In the Vimsottari dasa, the Paramayus is 120 years. So, for >practically all charts nowadays, some dasas will not run at all, i.e. their >lengths are zero. Do you have a problem with charts in which all 9 of >Vimsottari dasas do not run in one lifetime?> This is what was told to you by Sanjay when we discussed this issue before. Its a presumption. You live till the age of 120 and all the dashas run. But even if you dont live till 120, Vimshotrri or other dashas would always run consecutively and no dasha would get missed as would happen in case of the method you are following. Ketu-Venus-Sun-Moon-Mars-Rahu-Jupiter-Saturn-Mercury. If you are born in the dasha of Ketu, it would be followed by Venus, followed by Sun and so on. NOthing gets dropped here. But in your case, what would happen ? Try to think about it. As I told Sanjay, I am telling you, this is a basic question and should be answered satisfactorily. You give me an answer and if it appeals to me, I would keep it. >If you read the translations of Jaimini Sutras, by P.S. Shastri, B. >Suryanarain Rao, and B.V. Raman, as well as BPHS by Sharma, you will find >that for Chara dasa (which is but one progression, i.e. for Chara rasis in >Narayana dasa), one year is added for dasas of signs whose rulers are >exalted, and one year is subtracted for those whose rulers are debilitated. > *K.N. Rao is the only author who dropped these rules, in defiance of all >respected authorities*.> I have read them all. Not once but many times. Mr. K.N. Rao has done a great job. Let god be with him all the time to enable him to continue showering his blessings and spreading the light of knowledge. >These are simple explanations, which, if you *wanted* to learn you could. >You can do better than the jealousy and petty personal vendetta you have >against Sanjay Rath and his esteemed Jyotish guru varga.> This is how you perceive. Not me. I analyse things on merit and have lived life enough to know what is right and what is wrong. Will planets placed in Simha aspect Aquarius in Jaimini astrology ? And entire delienation has been done adopting this. What personal vendetta and Jealousy will I hold against Sanjay or for that matter anybody. And why? Are we both contenders of some world title on astrology ? AND remember it once and for all, I do not want and do not need any certifications and accolades from anyone in the WORLD. I am happy with the little work that I am doing and shall continue to do. These days people often talk of MORALITIES and ETHICS and I have seen it all. There is a famous saying in India, "Show me the person and I would show you the rule" and I think this has also overtaken astrological parlances. best wishes and regards, Manoj _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2001 Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 Dear Robert, And next week I would be out of Delhi till 29th. So naturally I wont be answering any mail. But what you can do is that you can, or anyone else, who wishes to correspond on such issue, can send mail to my personal i.d. and I shall respond on coming back to Delhi, i.e., if I escape the "Kaal" at my doorstep. Manoj _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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