SJVC teaching

October 18, 2001

Hi Das.

I too have read Sanjay's posting and i like what he said. I would like to comment:

<<Would also like to have the Nakshatra numbers mentioned besides the planets in

the Rasi Chakra.>>

At present i see the position of the planets with their naksatras in

names...asvini bharani etc. This is ok but somehoe i am used or my brain is

trained to go more quick by seeing the number of the naksatras rather than the

names. Numbers save me time brcause i know that Asvini or constellation 1 is

ruled by ketu, like constellations 10 (Magha) and 19 (Moola). For those that

do not know this. 10 = 1, 19 = 1+9 = 10 or 1. So those 3 constellations are

ruled by Ketu.

Constellations 2, 11 or 20 are ruled by Venus. C. 3, 12 or 21 are ruled by the sun. Etc

Best wishes

Natabara

October 19, 2001

Om Gurave Namah--------------------------Dear

Manoj and all list members,

Here are some points based on the questions asked. These are purely based on and

related to Jyotish: I have removed the irrelevant parts and all will agree to

this (I hope). As requested, I am CC'ing this to you. Kindly consider:

ROBERT WROTE:

>PARAMAYUS AND RASI DASAS>>Anyway, the above question has been answered many

times on this list (and >understood by those who will listen). So, for the

sake of students who >want to know, all rasi dasas have a Paramayus (maximum

longevity) of 144 >years, as the maximum number of years a dasa can carry, are

equivalent to >the number of signs/houses in the zodiac, i.e. 12. Dasas of

signs whose >rulers are exalted, are increased by one year; and dasas of signs

whose >rulers are debilitated, are decreased by one year. Thus Mercury in

Virgo, >gives a dasa which cannot exceed 12 years, as more than that exceeds

the >limits possible with rasi dasas. Secondly, if Jupiter is in Capricorn,

and >one year is subtracted for the dasa of Sg, because of Jupiter's

>debilitation, then the dasa length is zero. Why a dasa of zero? Since the

>Paramayus is 144 years, the *next* cycle of dasas will give 12 years for >Sg,

(i.e. 12-0 = 12). The rule is, that for the next cycle of dasas, the >number

of years of the dasa in its first cycle, is subtracted from 12, to >get the

number of years of the dasa in the 2nd cycle. This preserves the >symmetry of

the dasas, and enables the final tally of years to equal 144. >If the

adjustment is not made in the next cycle of dasas, what do you think >the year

lengths of dasas in the next cycle should be? >

RATH: WHAT MANOJ WANTS IS THE BASIS FOR THIS 144 YEARS LIKE VIMSOTTARI HAS A

SOUND BASIS FOR 120 YEARS (TRINE FROM ONE BRAHMA NABHI TO ANOTHER). THE

DEFINITION OR UNDERSTANDING OF NARAYANA COMES FROM THE DHYANA SLOKA .. DHAYET

SADA SAVITR MANDALA MADHYA VARTI.. AND SO THE REFERENCE AND FOCUS IS ON THE SUN

AS THE SOURCE OF ALL LIFE. WE ARE ALSO AWARE OF THE ONE TWELFTH DIVISION OF EACH

SIGN WHEREBY EACH SIGN HAS ONE POTION IN ALL OTHER SIGNS. SUCH A DIVISION IS

CALLED SURYAMSA OR DWADASAMSA. NOW, IF WE TOTAL ALL THE DWADASAMSA IN ALL SIGNS

THEN WE GET 144 WHICH IS THE PARAM AYUS OF THE NARAYANA DASA. FURTHER SINCE EACH

SIGN CAN HAVE ONLY 12 SURYAMSA ITS MAXIMUM PERIOD IS LIMITED TO 12 YEARS. NOW

APPLY THIS TO BOTH VIRGO MERC EXALTED AND SAG JUP DEBILITATED SITUATIONS. WE

HAVE 12 FULL YEARS FOR MERCURY AND THAT CANNOT BECOME 13 EVEN IF WE WANT TO

GIVE IT A YEAR IN ADDITION FOR ITS EXALTATION (KN RAO FACED THIS PROBLEM WITH

HIS OWN CHART AND HENCE SUGGESTED THE RADICAL REJECTION OF THE SPECIFIC DICTUM

RELATED TO EXALTATION AND DEBILITY). SIMILARLY JUP IN SAGITTARIUS WILL GIVE

2-1-1=0 YEARS. NOW WE KNOW THAT MANY PEROPLE LIVE BEYOND THE TOTAL OF THE

PERIODS OF ALL 12 SIGNS. THEN WE REPEAT THE NARAYANA DASA AND THE REMAINING

PORTION OF THE DASA IS GIVEN BY EACH SIGN. SO, IN THE SECOND CYCLE VIRGO WITH

MERCURY GIVES 0 YEARS (12-12=0) AND SAG GIVES A FULL 12 YEARS (12-0=12). THUS

YOU WILL SEE THAT NONE OF THE DASA ARE SKIPPED AND ALL 12 SIGNS GIVE ALL OF

THEIR 12 SURYAMSA IN 144 YEARS. TO MY KNOWLEDGE BHAGAVAN SRI KRISHNA IS THE

ONLY ONE WHO STAYED IN THIS PLANET IN ONE BODY FOR THE ENTIRE PERIOD OF THE

NARAYANA DASA I.E. 144 YEARS.As in your views, I dont *want* to learn so are

you. Why dont you read the BPHS of Shri Khem Raj Publications (I hope I am

remembering the name right). You wont, because in that version of BPHS, it is

very clearly stated that there are only 7 Karakas. Arudhas are also different

from the way you use it. But you wont like to read. Its perfectly ok with me.

Because such things must keep occuring as it always helps the growth of

astrology.

RATH: MANOJ I HAVE READ THAT EDITION. AND IT WAS SPECIFICALLY SHOWN TO ME WITH

THIS ARGUMENT. WHAT TO DO IF SOME SLOKA'S ARE MISSING IN THAT EDITION. THE

SANTANAM EDITION IS ALSO NOT COMPLETE AND GIRISH SHARMA'S EDITION HAS MORE

SLOKAS. EVERY TIME A FEW MORE SLOKAS ARE BEING DISCOVERED, THEY ARE BEING ADDED

QUICKLY BY OUR DEAR FRIEND NARINDER SAGAR FOR OUR BENEFIT AND THERE ARE A NUMBER

OF NICE PEOPLE DEDICATED TO THE RCOVERY OF THE ENTIRE BPHS. SO, WHAT DO WE

ACCEPT AS FINAL.

NOW, COMING TO THE ARUDHA CALCULATION, LET US SAY THAT SOMEHOW ALL THE EDITIONS

OF BPHS ARE WRONG AND SOMETHING HAS CREPT IN. SO HOW WOULD YOU INTERPRET THE

SLOKAS IN JAIMINI (A) 'SWASTHE DARAHA AND (B) SUTASTHE JANMA? WHAY WOULD

JAIMINI GIVE THESE SLOKAS WHEN HE WAS ENCRIPTING THE TEXT INTO THE MINIMUM

WORDS REQUIRED - PLEASE RECONSIDER IF YOU ARE GOING TO SAY 'JAIMINI GAVE IT

JUST AS AN EXAMPLE' AND IF YOU STILL FELL SO, THEN THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO

ARGUE IN THIS MATTER AND LET US AGREE TO DISAGREE.

>Case in point: In the Vimsottari dasa, the Paramayus is 120 years. So, for

>practically all charts nowadays, some dasas will not run at all, i.e. their

>lengths are zero. Do you have a problem with charts in which all 9 of

>Vimsottari dasas do not run in one lifetime?>This is what was told to you by

Sanjay when we discussed this issue before. Its a presumption. You live till

the age of 120 and all the dashas run. But even if you dont live till 120,

Vimshotrri or other dashas would always run consecutively and no dasha would

get missed as would happen in case of the method you are following.

Ketu-Venus-Sun-Moon-Mars-Rahu-Jupiter-Saturn-Mercury. If you are born in the

dasha of Ketu, it would be followed by Venus, followed by Sun and so on.

NOthing gets dropped here. But in your case, what would happen ? Try to think

about it. As I told Sanjay, I am telling you, this is a basic question and

should be answered satisfactorily. You give me an answer and if it appeals to

me, I would keep it.

RATH: MANOJ, THE POINT MADE BY ROBERT IS VALID ANYWAY, BUT DOES NOT ADDRESS YOUR

QUESTION FULLY. THE POINT IS THAT NONE OF THE DASA ARE GETTING MISSED. THEY ALL

RUN FOR 144 YEARS IN TOTAL AND THEIR PERIOD VARIES UNLIKE VIMSOTTARI THAT IS A

FIXED PERIOD DASA. IN FACT ALL UDU DASA ARE FIXED PERIOD INCLUDING KALACHAKRA

AND SU-DASA WHICH ARE ALSO DETERMINED FROM THE MOON POSITION. SO, WHEN A DASA

SYSTEM BY ITSELF IS NOT A FIXED PERIOD SYSTEM WHY SHOULD YOU INSIST ON GIVING

IT A CONDITION LIKE A FIXED PERIOD SYSTEM. NARAYANA DASA AND ALL OTHER VARIABLE

DASA SYSTEMS WILL HAVE PERIODS THAT VARY FROM ONE CHART TO ANOTHER DEPENDING ON

THEIR LORD'S PLACEMENT. THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE

NARAYANA AND VIMSOTTARI DASA. SO, IF A DEBILITATED JUPITER IS DELAYED IN GIVING

THE RESULTS OF SAGITTARIUS, THIS IS A NATURAL SITUATION AS IT IS IN DEBILITY

I.E. DEBILITY CAUSES A PLANET TO LOSE ITS ABILITY TO DETERMINE THE FORTUNES OF

A CHART IN ITS FORMATIVE PERIOD OR THE FIRST CYCLE WHEREAS EXALTATION GIVES THE

ADDITIONAL STRENGTH OF A YEAR TO INFLUENCE THE CHART. >If you read the

translations of Jaimini Sutras, by P.S. Shastri, B. >Suryanarain Rao, and B.V.

Raman, as well as BPHS by Sharma, you will find >that for Chara dasa (which is

but one progression, i.e. for Chara rasis in >Narayana dasa), one year is added

for dasas of signs whose rulers are >exalted, and one year is subtracted for

those whose rulers are debilitated. > *K.N. Rao is the only author who

dropped these rules, in defiance of all >respected authorities*.>I have read

them all. Not once but many times. Mr. K.N. Rao has done a great job. Let god

be with him all the time to enable him to continue showering his blessings and

spreading the light of knowledge.

RATH: NICE THOUGHT ABOUT YOUR GURU..RIG VEDA: SUCHIMARKAIR BRIHASPATIM

ADHVARESHU NAMASYATA (.) ANAMYOJA ACHAKE (.) A GOOD THOUGHT IS THE BEST HOMAGE

TO YOUR GURU I.E. YOUR OWN INTELLECT AS WELL. PLEASE SHARE WITH US THE REASONS

FOR DROPPING THIS AND AT LEAST YOU DO ADMIT THAT THIS HAS BEEN DONE AGAINST THE

DICTA AVAILABLE IN STANDARD TEXTS.

REST OF IT I HAVE CUT..I HOPE YOU ARE WELL AND THAT YOUR TRIP HAS BEEN FINE. YOU

ARE STILL TO COME OUT WITH THAT BOOK ON BHAVA AND GRAHA BALA'S. THIS WAS YOUR

FORTE. BY SHARING KNOWLEDGE, IT GROWS. DO CONSIDER THIS.

BEST REGARDS,

SANJAY RATH

October 22, 2001

Hare Rama Krsna

Dear Gurudev!

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Sanjay Rath

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Cc: Manoj Pathak

Saturday, October 20, 2001 2:23 AM