hPrabhupada's lagna revisited: transits for relocation

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Robert:

 

I've avoided the details of this whole debate up to now but I thought I'd

throw in my two cents worth. While I appreciate the breadth of the

knowledge displayed in favour of both lagnas, I haven't seen any basic

analysis of a key event in his life using simple transits. Sorry if it's

been posted and I just missed it. To me, the clearest event that can be

used for rectification is his arrival in the US on Sept 18 1965. This

change in residence and emigration should show some basic affliction to the

4H and the 4L. As far as I can tell, this works much better with Capricorn

lagna and barely works at all with Sagittarius.

 

Using Capricorn lagna, Aries is the 4th house and Mars is the 4th lord. At

the time of his arrival, Saturn 19Aq39 casts its 3H aspect to the 4th house

(less than 3* from the 4th house cusp(IC) depending on the exact TOB) and

Rahu 14Ta55 is less than 3* from natal Mars 17Ta02. Transiting Mars 25Li44

also casts its 7H to Aries for good measure. To me, these are classic

transits accompanying relocation as they comprise a heavy 3-way affliction

to the key significators of home. While he likely departed India several

weeks prior to his arrival in the US, none of these planets would be in

different signs.

 

Sagitarrius doesn't make a lot of sense here, unless you consider Saturn's

17*-orbed aspect to 4L Jupiter. Rahu and Mars aren't aspecting anything.

Obviously, in both lagnas, Rahu is conjunct the Moon, another supporting

configuration for relocation.

 

So while I'm humbled by the learned erudition displayed by both you and

Pursottam, I think the most compelling explanation for the lagna should

attempt to explain key events using straightforward astrological

principles. Sure, it's only one event and it's risky to base a

rectification on only that, but Capricorn still makes more sense to me.

 

best,

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

While he likely left India several weeks before arrival, Saturn

At 08:36 PM 10/18/01 -0700, Robert A. Koch wrote:

>Dear Jyotishi friends,

>

>Narayana dasa indeed is an appropriate window through which to see the

>events/destiny of Prabhupada's life, as, after all, he was a pure devotee

>of Narayana (Krsna). Narayana embodies all three principles of existence,

>namely creation, sustenance and annihilation, respectively relegated to the

>functions of the three primal Deities Brahma, Vishnu, and Maheswara

>respectively. Astrologically, these Deities and their functions, are

>represented by the three categories of rasis, namely Chara (moveable),

>ruled over by Brahma; Sthira (fixed), ruled over by Maheswara, or Shiva;

>and dual (Dwisvabhava, ruled over by Vishnu). In the system of Narayana

>dasa (aka Padakrama dasa), there are three separate progressions of the

>lagna, according to which of the three rasi-types is rising in the

>chart. So in essence, depending on the rasi type rising, the Narayana

>dasa represents a progression of the lagna to various times or points in

>life. Rasis represent the physical effects of the environment directly,

>and thus rasi dasas like Narayana, show the pre-determined influences of

>Maya (the material, or illusory) energy on the experience of an embodied

>soul.

>

>At this point, I would like to say that whatever I have learned about

>Narayana dasa, and many other key attributes of Parasari and Jaimini

>astrology, I have learned from Sanjay Rath, who has written an excellent,

>al beit brilliant book on Narayana dasa (recently released). The book goes

>into the details of the inception of, calculation, and judgement of

>Narayana dasas. It is a must read for anybody interested in learning this

>incredible dasa system.

>

>Now, someone may say, that since Prabhupada was a Nitya-siddha, or fully

>liberated soul from the start to finish, then how could a dasa showing the

>effects of the physical world apply to him? In fact, why should any dasa,

>or the horoscope for that matter, apply to such a person? It is a good

>question, but lets just say for now, that even Maya is the energy of God,

>Whose existence is inseparable from His creation. Suffice it to say then,

>that Jyotish, which comes from a Vedanga (and thus is a Shabda-brahman, or

>sound incarnation of God), outlines the movements of even Nitya-siddhas,

>even though there are no karmas which bind such great souls to the world of

>Maya.

>

>I want to start this analysis with two of the most significant events of

>Prabhupada's life, as seen from two proposed lagnas, either Sagittarius or

>Capricorn: the date of his coming to America to start his mission of

>preaching Krsna Consciousness, September 18, 1965; and, the date of his

>passing from this world in Vrndavana, India, on November 14, 1077.

>

>FOREIGN TRAVEL/MOVING PARAMETERS

>

>If a change of residence, especially one to a foreign country is to occur

>during some dasa (note that rasi dasas in general are best for such

>determinations, as the physical or pre-determined effects of the

>environment are seen through them), then the following should enter the

>picture: lord of the lagna (or dasa rasi), 4th and its lord, 7th, 9th, and

>12th and its lord. Also important are Paradesa Saham, or the point of

>foreign travel, as well as Matru-pada, or Arudha of the 4th house. Now for

>the dasas.

>

>FOR SAGITTARIUS RISING:

>

>The Narayana dasa on 9/18/1965 was Scorpio/Taurus. Analyze dasas first

>from the dasa rasi , and then from the Paka lagna (sign carrying the lord

>of the dasa rasi). Sc is directly the 12th house; its lord Ketu (note that

>Ketu is the stronger lord between Mars and Ketu for Sc), joins 4th lord

>Jupiter in the 9th house. 12th lord Mars, the secondary ruler, joins the

>Naiskargika karaka of 4th Moon, and aspects the 9th house, the lord of the

>9th house and 4th house Jupiter. Jupiter is also lord of

>lagna. Secondly, the 4th from dasa rasi Sc, has the Paradesa saham, which

>is 9 degrees Aq. The lord of the 4th from Sc and lord or Paradesa saham,

>is Saturn, who goes to the 12th therefrom. Saturn thus represents a move

>to the western hemisphere, and being exalted, represents the strongest or

>most affluent of western countries, the USA. These are clear and certain

>indications that a move to a foreign country would take place at this

>time. Note that Saturn also is the lord of A4, and aspects both the Moon

>and the 12th lord, who occupy the sub-period sign of Ta.

>

>Another point is, that on the way to America, Prabhupada had two heart

>attacks, yet survived. Note that the sub-period sign has 8th lord Moon,

>joining 5th lord (heart) Mars, and both received rasi drishti from exalted

>maraka lord Saturn. It is significant to note, that the 8th house

>(longevity), is stronger than either maraka house or lord, and thus he

>survived the ordeal. In fact, in this chart, Rudra (the stronger of 2nd or

>8th house), or between Saturn and Moon, is the Moon. Rudra brings about

>death during the appropriate dasas, yet in this case, Rudra is also the

>lord of the 8th, showing that he does not turn against himself by causing

>death. Other factors caused ultimate death, which will be discussed later.

>

>FOR CAPRICORN RISING:

>

>Promise of foreign travel: lagna lord is exalted in the 10th, aspecting the

>4th and 12th; 4th lord is in the 5th, aspecting 12th lord Jupiter; 7th lord

>is also in the 5th, while 9th lord is in the 9th (unaspected). Some

>promise is indicated, although lagna lord going to the 10th, and aspecting

>the 4th lord in the 5th, means that one finds success in his own country,

>as opposed to a foreign country. Prabhupada's great success was clearly in

>foreign countries, in fact, he thought that preaching in India was useless,

>as few people rallied behind his cause, even his God-brothers. In the Sg

>chart, lagna lord going to the 9th, conjoined and aspected by *both* 12th

>lords, Ketu and Mars, is certainly a stronger indication.

>

>If Cp were the lagna, then the Narayana dasa of Pisces/Aries would have

>been in place at the time of his travel. Pisces is the 3rd houses,

>indicating local travel, not foreign travel; the 4th from Pi has A4, yet

>its lord goes to the 7th (Virgo), and there is no aspect from either of the

>9th lord (from Pisces) or the 12th lord Saturn. Aries, is the sub-period

>sign, yet Mars and karaka Moon go to the 2nd from Aries, and are aspected

>only by Saturn, who is lord of the 11th. Paradesa saham is in Sagittarius,

>which indeed is the 12th house. Yet, the lord of 12th goes to the 8th, and

>is thus not in a position to indicate foreign travel and residence. The

>indications of foreign travel are thus weak and not convincing. Also, if

>Cp is rising, Saturn is not a maraka, but rather a functional benefic, and

>thus his aspect to the 5th house, Sun, and Moon cannot cause heart attack,

>much less death at the appointed time.

>

>THE EVENT OF LEAVING THIS WORLD:

>

>"Anta-kale ca mam eva, smaran muktva kalevaram

>yah prayati sa mad-bhavam, yat nasty atra samsayah" Bg 8.5

>

>Sri Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita, that "Whosoever remembers Me alone at

>the time of leaving this body, at once attains to my nature. Of this there

>is no doubt". Prabhupada left his body in the most sacred Vrndavana dhama,

>while his devotees were loudly chanting the Holy Names of Krsna. He went

>to Krsna without a doubt. Now lets see the Narayana dasas:

>

>FOR SAGITTARIUS LAGNA: First, the elements that are in place at the time

>of death should be all, or most of the following: maraka sthanas, 7th and

>2nd house; the 3rd or 8th rasis from Arudha lagna; aspects from lords of

>maraka sthanas, or functional malefics; presence of Rudra or Maheswara in

>the dasa rasi, or its trines, or malefic rulers of dasa rasis aspecting the

>lord of lagna, the 8th, or its lord. Mrtyu-pada (Arudha of the 8th), as

>well as Mrtyu-saham (the point of death) will also be instrumental. There

>are other factors, but these will suffice for our present analysis.

>

>The Narayana dasa was Gemini/Taurus at the time of death. Gemini is

>directly the 7th house, its lord is exalted, is aspected by both Mrtyu-pada

>and Mrtyu-saham, and all of them aspect the lagna directly. Ge is also in

>the 3rd from Arudha lagna. When the dasa rasi is in the 3rd from Arudha

>lagna, provided the term of longevity is expired, there is certain

>death. Sub-period sign is Taurus, which has 12th lord Mars, and 8th lord

>Moon, both of whom are aspected by a powerful maraka lord Saturn. Note

>that natal Saturn, in addition to transit Saturn in the sign of Leo, were

>both aspecting the lord of the 8th Moon, and lord of Arudha lagna Mars at

>the time of death. This shows, that, although Narayana dasa is a Phalita

>dasa, not an Ayur (longevity) dasa per se, still the event of death is

>clearly seen through the Gemini/Taurus dasa. Shoola dasa will show the

>timing of death in even more poignant ways, but I will leave that analysis

>for now. It was the Shoola dasa of Mrtyu-pada Pisces, and maraka sthana

>Gemini. Judge for yourself.

>

>CAPRICORN LAGNA

>

>It is hard to find a maraka dasa here. Narayana dasa at the time of death

>for this lagna, was Capricorn/Aquarius. Cp is the lagna, whose lord is

>exalted Saturn in the 10th. Lagna lord strong in the 10th, especially

>Saturn, is *not* the time of death. It is a time or rise in career,

>position/authority/status, and influence. How in the world could death

>have been predicted for Capricorn dasa? One could say, that the aspect of

>8th lord Sun from Leo, and 7th lord Moon from its exaltation sign, could

>bring about death. Not so - the luminaries, according to Parasara, do not

>cause death, even if maraka lords. Arudha lagna is Aries, the third from

>which has nothing to do with either the dasa sign, or the sub-period

>sign. Further, the 8th from sub-period sign Aq, who also has Rahu the AK,

>is empowered with strong planets, especially 8th lord Mercury who joins the

>8th in exaltation. Remember too, that Saturn's transit effect will nearly

>become benign, and in fact a contributor to longevity, since he is exalted

>as lord of the lagna. His transit over the sign of Leo, and already strong

>8th house, thus cannot bring about death either.

>

>Anyway, this turned out to be a long post - my eyes are getting a bit weary

>right now, so I will stop here. If interest continues, perhaps in the

>coming days, we can look at other events that occurred in Prabhupada's life

>vis a vis Narayana dasa, and thus see if we can be convinced of either

>Capricorn or Sagittarius rising.

>

>Best wishes,

>Robert

>

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>Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

>Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA

>Phone: 541-318-0248

>visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

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