Guest guest Posted October 31, 2001 Report Share Posted October 31, 2001 Could someone please provide a brief summary of the rules for deciding between moon and lagna for statring point of vimshottari dasa? Thanks Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2001 Report Share Posted October 31, 2001 Hello Dave I do not know a lot about the official rules or reasons, but here's what I do know: In general, you find early in BPHS, the teaching that one should use as Lagna either the Lagna or Moon, depending on whichever is "stronger". This is not directly a reference to Dashas, but it is I think an important general rule. Let's then see the obvious: Everyone born around the same days will have nearly the same Jupiter and Saturn positions. The Moon is the fastest planet, so it is the most individualizing planet. We use it for dashas, but not the Sun, because it's not as individualized I would guess. But the ascendent is more individualized that the Moon, so in a sense, it's a better guess for dashas than the Moon. I think there is something to this point: The Moon is easier to know than the ascendent. This is why many people in India for example know their Moon Sign and Nakshatra, but not their ascendent. We have a strange situation currently on Earth in relation to this science, in that, we have exact calculations easily available to us. In the Vedic conception, this is supposed to be a downgraded age, a bad time. However, we are experiencing a type of flourish. Some say, that this is because Sri Caitanya came. Supposedly, according to one school, Sri Caitanya appears in Kali Yuga only very rarely, and that most Kali Yugas are not so nice, or advanced. Indeed, the major portion of Western Advancement took place after the appearance of Sri Caitanya. Some feel that His appearance fuels the "good times" we are having on Earth, that this is an intended "Golden Age" because of Him, and not a normal feature of Kali Yuga. So anyway, we have advanced and accurate calculations, easily available, and we have the internet, and so many advantages making some things much easier. So, we know people's Lagnas, so perhaps we should be looking at Dashas from the Lagna. The Lagna is more tied to the body, the overall life, and the Moon is more tied to the mental and emotional world of the person. Perhaps overlapping both is wise. It makes sense to me that dashas from the Lagna would be most appropriate and in general "better", though rectification and exact birth times became far greater issues because the Lagna is roughly 36 times faster moving than the Moon, so the issues of accuracy become 36 times more important. I am going to post a separate email showing some coming features in GJ3 to deal with these issues. -- Das Goravani 2852 Willamette St # 353 Eugene OR USA 97405 or Fax: 541-343-0344 "Goravani Jyotish" Vedic/Hindu Astrology Software Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2001 Report Share Posted October 31, 2001 Dear Dave, At 09:38 AM 10/31/01 -0500, you wrote: Could someone please provide a brief summary of the rules for deciding between moon and lagna for statring point of vimshottari dasa? Thanks Dave This is a good question, and in fact there are some directives in classical Jyotish literatures such as the Jataka Parijata on how to approach the matter of dasha sesham, or the starting point for dasha calculations. In Jataka Parijata, several different naksatras are mentioned and recommended for the calculations if Vimsottari dasa. They are: *Janma naksatra (natal Moon naksatra, which is widely used) * Lagna naksatra * Kshema naksatra (the 4th one from the janma naksatra) * Utpanna naksatra (the 5th from janma); and * Adhana naksatra (the 8th from janma) Now, whichever of the above has more planets in kendras (angles) to it, is considered the stronger, and thus can, and should be, used in preference to the others. Example: Supposing someone's janma naksatra is 21:17 Libra, which is Vishakha. The 4th Nakshatra from Vishakha, is Moola, which is thus the Kshema naksatra. The 5th is Purvashadha, or Utpanna naksatra; and the 8th, is Dhanishta, the Adhana. Now, in the chart in question, there are two planets in kendra to both the janma and lagna naksatra, which is Chitra, also in Libra. There are 4 planets in kendra to Purvashadha, the Utpanna naksatra; and 2 planets in kendra to Dhanishta, the Adhana naksatra. So the strongest position from which to calculate the Vimsottari dasa, will be the Utpanna naksatra, Purvashadha. This could be used in preference to the janma or lagna naksatras, which are more commonly in vogue. If you want to use the lagna naksatra, do so if it is the stronger out of all the above, which can be easily determined if there are more planets in kendra to the lagna, than any of the other naksatras. Calculate Vimsottari dasa in the same way as ordinary. Or, if you want to use the Utpanna naksatra (because there are more planets in kendra to it than any of the others) and if the Moon is at 21 Libra, in Vishakha at birth, it is 1 degree into that naksatra. Calculate Vimsottari dasa thus, *as if* the Moon had passed 1 degree into Purvashadha. Note that Adhana means "death", and might be a good naksatra to calculate the Vimsottari dasas from, if a question of disease or longevity comes up. OK, I hope that sheds some light - Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer Faculty member SJVC and ACVA Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk (AT) robertkoch (DOT) com. rk (AT) robertkoch (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2001 Report Share Posted October 31, 2001 Dear Dave and friends on the list, I am back from journey. "Kaal" allowed me to come back. I am, as always, thankful to him. Dashas (vimshottri, ashttotri, yogini etc.) are indeed calculated from Moon. Rashi dashas are not dependent on nakshatras. Kalchakra dasha is one which is dependent on both, nakshatra as well as rashi. Lagna is the most specific point for a person on the zodiac and hence it is the most important aspect. Moon is most important other element. Therefore, we gauge the strength of a horoscope from both, Lagna as well as Moon. These dashas are known as "Udu" dashas. Udu means nakshatra. I have experimented with dasha calculated on the basis of nakshatra of lagna and have found it giving good results. If possible and if time permits, I will post some examples too. But lets stick to classical approach and dont deviate too much unless and untill we are too sure of the results. Lets say, around 90% atleast. regards, Manoj >DaveBirr >gjlist >gjlist >[GJ] vimshottari dasa from moon or lagna >Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:38:40 EST > > > Could someone please provide a brief summary of the rules for >deciding >between moon and lagna for statring point of vimshottari dasa? Thanks Dave _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2001 Report Share Posted October 31, 2001 OM SRI GURAVE NAMAHDear Dave, I have a detailed article on this in two parts. Please see this in my site http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/Lessons/vimsottari_dasa.htm and http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/Lessons/vimsottari_2.htm .If you have any further doubts after that, I shall be glad to answer them. The specific sloka referring to the Lagna Nakshatra and other points have also been given there. Raghu, if you wish, you can add these articles to your software as it has the feature for calculating the dasa from lagna. Best RegardsSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com - DaveBirr (AT) aol (DOT) com gjlist Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:08 PM [GJ] vimshottari dasa from moon or lagna Could someone please provide a brief summary of the rules for deciding between moon and lagna for statring point of vimshottari dasa? Thanks Dave Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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