Ashtottari dasa - Dave Birr

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Dear Dave et al,

You had mentioned that the Adhana naksatra was stronger in your case than

the others mentioned. This would be used, however, when a study of

longevity was needed, more so than for regular results (Phalita).

This brought to mind some thoughts on Ashtottari dasa, which in at least

25% of cases, is recommended over even Vimsottari dasa.

Ashtottari dasa has a Paramayus (maximum longevity) of 108 years, which

if equally appropriate to the 12 zodiacal signs, would give 9 years

each. Each Antaradasa would equal 9 months. Since 9

months is the gestation, or pregnancy period for human beings, and since

9 is the final stage of evolution, or the end-point of karmas, (being

ruled by Ketu in Astro-numerology), birth and death are associated with

it. 9 x 12 (signs of the zodiac)= 108, which is the total number of

years allotted to Ashtottari dasa. Thus, Ashtottari dasa may

be better used, when a question of longevity is needed. In order to

use Ashtottari dasa for a given horoscope, however, the following

conditions should apply:

* Birth in the daytime during the waning Moon phase;

* Birth in the nighttime, during the waxing Moon phase; and,

* Rahu should be in a kendra or trikona (angular or trinal) house from

the lord of the ascendant.

PARALLELS BETWEEN VIMSOTTARI AND ASHTOTTARI DASAS

An interesting similarity between these two dasa systems is that the two

Vedic gurus, viz. Brihaspati (Jupiter), and Shukra (Venus), are

considered the Deities inspiring the study of, and applicability of

each. In the Vedic histories (Puranas and Itihasas), Brihaspati is

the guru of the demigods, (Devas), while Shukra is the guru of the

Daityas (demonic entities). Symbolically, each of these represents

forces of Light, or consciousness, and darkness, i.e. identification with

illusory manifestations of matter (Maya), respectively. If we take

the sum total of years applying to the dasas of the luminaries, Sun and

Moon, we come up with the respective total dasa years associated with

Jupiter (in Vimsottari), and Venus (in Ashtottari). In Vimsottari,

the dasa of the Sun is 6 years, that of the Moon is 10 years, and thus

adding them together, we get the dasa length of the preceptor of the Gods

(figuratively of the forces of light), namely Jupiter for 16 years.

In the Ashtottari dasa system, the dasa of the Moon is 15 years, that of

the Sun is 6 years, and thus adding these together, we get the length of

the dasa of Shukra (Venus), which is for 21 years.

Thus through this analysis, some further distinctions arise between what

dashas are appropriate for which particular charts. If the

individual inclines more toward a sensual orientation and the karmic

necessity to manifest actions in the realm of matter, than through the

higher forces of light, where elevation of consciousness and ultimate

moksha are the evolutionary trend, then maybe Ashtottari dasa is more

appropriate. This seems to be indicated by the relation of Rahu in

angular or trinal positions to the lord of the ascendant, or to nighttime

births/waxing Moon, or daytime births/waning Moon, as required in the

calculation of Ashtottari dasa.

So, these are some thoughts that came to mind today, and thank you for

raising your questions on starting points of dasas as well.

Best wishes,

Robert

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[Guest guest]

Robert, Very insightfull post on ashtottari and vimsottari in terms of

the orientation of consciousness of clients.Too often I have seen astrologers

not properly guage the clients level of focus of consciousness and thus may

choose or apply an interpretation which is not accurate.Ant techniques that

help detemine the right approach are very useful.Thanks again, Dave

[Guest guest]

Robert,

 

Ashttotari dasha is calculated according to the degree of the moon in

nakshatra, similar to vimshottari, isn't that it?

 

What are the correspondences between nakshatra and planets? Can you

send along a list?

 

Dharmapada

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Dear Dharmapada,

 

At 01:25 PM 11/4/01 +0000, you wrote:

>Robert,

>

>Ashttotari dasha is calculated according to the degree of the moon in

>nakshatra, similar to vimshottari, isn't that it?

>

>What are the correspondences between nakshatra and planets? Can you

>send along a list?

 

Please note as follows some matters related to Ashtottari dasa that will

answer your question, as well as be of interest to you:

 

Some interesting similarities, as well as differences, in the manner of

calculating Ashtottari dasa and Vimsottari dasa, can be found. In

Vimsottari dasa, the 27 naksatras are divided into three groups of 9 each,

and thus each of the nine planets beginning from Ketu to Mercury, are

assigned the rulership of three naksatras each. The cyclic dasas of each

of the nine planets thus repeat themselves three times. In Ashtottari

dasa, on the other hand, Ketu does not rule any naksatras, and thus the

rulership of 27 naksatras is divided into 8 groups. In contrast to the

scheme for Vimsottari, the first four naksatras beginning with Ardra, are

ruled by the Sun; then the next three in order, beginning with Magha, are

ruled by the Moon; then the next 4 beginning with Hasta, are ruled by Mars;

the next three are ruled by Mercury; the next three by Saturn; next three

by Jupiter; next four, by Rahu; and the final three, by Venus.

 

The numbers of years for each dasa thus, are as follows:

 

Sun - 6

Moon - 15

Mars - 8

Mercury - 17

Saturn - 10

Jupiter - 19

Rahu - 12

Venus - 21

 

If the different calculation schemes between Vimsottari and Ashtottari are

studied, it can be seen that each of the nine planets rule each successive

dasa in Vimsottari, whereas in the Ashtottari scheme, three or four dasas

in a row, applying to successive naksatras, are ruled by one planet

only. The lengths of dasas ruled by each planet will differ also. And,

since Ketu is dropped from the roster in Ashtottari dasa, then the total

number of years contributed by all the planets to the expected life span of

the human being, will be 108, and not 120, as per Vimsottari.

 

Sanjay Rath has written about these distinctions between Ashtottari and

Vimsottari dasas in his books, especially "Crux of Vedic Astrology - Timing

of Events". Further, you can get a good book by Sumeet Chugh which gives

the calculations of all the conditional naksatra dasas of Parasara. It is

called"Conditional Dasas of Sage Parasara", and comes highly recommended if

you are interested in learning different naksatra dasa systems.

 

Best wishes,

Robert

 

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Phone: 541-318-0248

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[mysticsanket]

very insightful but still information is required for instance in many hindi editions as well as vernacular edition there is mention of ashtottari's applicability to gujarat ,kutch , surashtra etc. & regions below Vindhyachal that is below varanasi . in my horoscope ashtottari is perfectly timed implying some validity on above mentioned condition

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With due regards.....what i have heard is that...ashootarii dasha was a closely guarded secret in vedic astrolgy..only untill recentally its importance has been publicised.....as it gives very accurate results than vimshotarri......