Time zone for George Harrison

[Guest guest]

Dear Ron and Dharmapada,

 

This first thing that is still hanging in this GH rectification attempt, is

the time zone. Dharmapada has used -2 (double British wartime), on the

basis of Doris Chase Doan's version of the time zone. This deviates from

the most respected name in time zone/coordinate resources, namely the ACS

Atlas. ACS gives -1 for that year and date, which would put the lagna at

Libra. You should ascertain the correct time zone (without any doubts)

first, before going on to venture rectification.

 

I'll leave you with this food for thought:

 

1. GH was a loner, in fact recluse by nature. He did not like the crowds

and fanfare, even when the Beatles were at the height of their fame and

success. How do you see this tendency from the Virgo rising chart, with so

many planets in angles, lagna lord in the 5th, and exalted Venus in the 7th?

 

2. He went into a deep and sustained depression following the Beatles's

break-up, up until around 1976. How do you see that in the Virgo rising

chart?

 

3. Dharmapada gives the late degrees of Virgo rising (29, I believe), and

with it, Dhana/Laksmi yogas to support GH's great wealth. Then, how do you

explain Jupiter's being in the 8th in Navamsa, in company with Rahu and

debilitated Saturn? Also, 2nd lord Venus in the 12th of the Navamsa does

not support great wealth at all (just the opposite)?

 

4. How do you explain that GH had only one child, with benefic lagna lord

in the 5th, 5th lord in 9th, and 2nd and 9th lord exalted in the 7th? He

would have had several children, in fact a large family, with these

combinations.

 

5. Longevity: First set of rules: (1) if the lord of lagna, lord of 10th,

and lord of 8th, are all strong and well-positioned, one gets Purnayu [long

life, 72 and beyond]; (2) if two out of three are strong, then middle term

is obtained; and (3) if one or all three are weak and ill-placed, then

short life is obtained. Strength in this sense is scene through angular or

trinal positions, exalted/own/friendly signs, etc. In the proposed Virgo

chart, all three are strong, i.e. lagna and 10th lord Mercury in a friendly

sign in the 5th; and 8th lord Mars in a kendra aspected by Jupiter. This

should have given life at least up to the beginning of the long term, i.e.

72 years. Why did he die at age 58?

 

6. Next set of longevity determinations: According to Parasara and

Jaimini, three pairs of factors determine longevity: (1) Lord of lagna, and

lord of 8; (2) Moon, and Saturn; and (3) lagna and Hora lagna. Cardinal

signs = long life; fixed signs = short life; and (3) dual signs = medium

life. If both factors in a set are the same, then the requisite term is

given (i.e. if both factors are dual, it equals medium life, if both are

fixed, it equals short life, etc.). If in each set, there are differing

factors, then the third one gives the longevity. For example, if the Moon

is in a cardinal sign, and Saturn is in a fixed sign, then the third factor

(dual) becomes the term, namely medium life. So each set, will give a term

of longevity: If all, or two out of three agree, then that agreeing term

becomes the term of longevity. If all three are different, then the term

given by the lagna and Hora lagna determines the longevity. There are

some modifying factors, but anyway, this is the system.

 

So in GH's chart, note the following sets:

 

Lord of lagna (is placed in) = cardinal

Lord of 8 = dual = short term

 

Moon (sign of) = cardinal

Saturn = fixed = medium

term

 

Lagna = dual

Hora lagna (Taurus) = fixed = long term

 

So, since all three conclusions are different, the term is as per the lagna

and Hora lagna, which is long term. So GH, with a Virgo chart, should have

had Purnayu, or long term of longevity. This conclusion agrees with the

first longevity analysis given above in paragraph 5.

 

There are many other points, but I will rest my case for now. Comments

welcome.....

Robert

 

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Faculty member SJVC and ACVA

Phone: 541-318-0248

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[Guest guest]

Hi Folks,

 

There's a web page with a history of British Daylight Saving time at

http://student.cusu.cam.ac.uk/~jsm28/british-time/

 

An extract from this for 1941 says:

 

"...double summer time, during which period the time was two hours in

advance of Greenwich mean time, starting on the day after the first

Saturday in May and ending on the day after the second Saturday in

August, ... The time for the rest of the year remained one hour in

advance of GMT"

 

So this source agrees with GJ, that in February '43, British DST was 1

hour.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Lyndon

[Guest guest]

> I'll leave you with this food for thought:

>

> 1. GH was a loner, in fact recluse by nature. He did not like the

crowds

> and fanfare, even when the Beatles were at the height of their fame

and

> success. How do you see this tendency from the Virgo rising chart,

with so

> many planets in angles, lagna lord in the 5th, and exalted Venus in

the 7th?

 

Robert,

 

The fact that he was a reclusive loner can be accounted for by the

fact that the ascendent lord occupies the sign of Saturn, and that

the Sun does also, being aspected by Saturn itself. He was a

melancholy soul, not the charismatic extrovert.

 

In terms of the music world and religion, though, he projected

himself right out there. Notice that Mars is in a cardinal house in a

pious sign and that Mars aspects Venus. He had energy for religion

and music, and Venus and Jupiter were also in cardinal houses.

 

 

> 2. He went into a deep and sustained depression following the

Beatles's

> break-up, up until around 1976. How do you see that in the Virgo

rising

> chart?

 

Again, the Sun, a significator of consciousness, occupies the sad

sign of Aquarius and receives the aspect of Saturn, and the ascendent

lord is also in Saturn's sign. The fact that the Sun, the planet of

the soul, is under such melancholy influence, suggests that it is

always just under the surface. And the Sun sub period occurred right

after the breakup.

 

 

> 3. Dharmapada gives the late degrees of Virgo rising (29, I

believe), and

> with it, Dhana/Laksmi yogas to support GH's great wealth. Then,

how do you

> explain Jupiter's being in the 8th in Navamsa, in company with Rahu

and

> debilitated Saturn? Also, 2nd lord Venus in the 12th of the

Navamsa does

> not support great wealth at all (just the opposite)?

 

Navamsha is secondary. In my article, the proper place of divisional

charts, ( http://skywebsite.com/hollow//id21.html ) I

quote B. V Raman in a commentary to Prasna Marg as saying " Further,

the navamsha may be referred to only when the rashi ( sign

placement ) is satisfactory. Here, since the rashi ( main ) chart

itself does not ensure happiness ( isn't strong enough to give the

results in this case ), the navamsha may be shelved."

 

In rashi, we already have strong indications for wealth through

music. Venus is the exalted ownner of the second and ninth, and

aspects the ascendent. The Moon, as the lord of the house of

financial gains, occupies another financial house in a sign related

to music. And Jupiter aspects that Moon, is in a quadrant, and in a

quadrant to Venus. Given such absolute indications for wealth through

music, the navamsha may be shelved.

 

Inmy articleon divisional charts, I presented the chart of a young

man whose birth time was recorded for the purpose of astrology, and

whose Sun is quite nicely placed in the navamsha as well as dasamsha,

relating to parents. But the Sun is very afflicted in rashi, not the

ninth house nor tenth- the Sun. He hardly knows his father, he was

separated when he was 2 and is now 15. He hasn't seen his father in

at least a decade.

 

Divisional charts do not have near the authority of the birth chart.

They are for fine tuning, decisions on the margin.

 

> 4. How do you explain that GH had only one child, with benefic

lagna lord

> in the 5th, 5th lord in 9th, and 2nd and 9th lord exalted in the

7th? He

> would have had several children, in fact a large family, with these

> combinations.

 

Jupiter is aspected by Mars, thelord of the third and eighth, as well

as by Ketu. Jupiter is not a great lord, nor is he in a great sign.

Jupiter is not what he might seem to be at first glance. From the

Moon, the fifth lord Saturn occupies the eighth.

 

As far as longevity is concerned, notice that the eighth lord is

aspected by Rahu and sits with Gulika. Jupiter aspects, but Jupiter

isn't a great lord and owns a maraka house. Rahu and bad-lord Moon

aspect the eighth house itself.

 

The Sun is a major indicator and sits very afflicted in a dushthana,

receiving an aspect from maraka lord Saturn. Never mind that Saturn

aspects his own sign there, the Sun is quite afflicted by the nodes,

the house, the sign and by the aspect of twomarakalords, Jupiter and

Saturn.

 

>From the Moon, the eighth lord and ascendent lord occupies the sixth

aspected by a very maraka Mars.

 

The nature of death, cancer in the throat, is indicated by Saturn as

the sixth lord aspecting the third and the Sun.

 

The absence of younger brothers is indicated by the aspect of the

planet of limitation, Saturn, on the house of younger brothers, the

third. The third lord and karaka of brothers, Mars, receives an apect

from Rahu, from the house of loss, whose qualities he absorbs and

throws in his aspect.

 

Older brothers and a sister are indicated by the aspect of the

expansive Jupiter on the well-placed lord of the 11th, the Moon, who

is well off.

 

George didn't do so well in school because bad lord Mars occupies the

house of education, the forth, under aspect from Rahu. He attended

school during the Rahu major. The forth lord from the Moon occupies

the eighth. The schooling that he got was due to Jupiter.

 

The Jupiter-Sun period saw him directly engaged in charity. The Sun

owns the twelfth house from Virgo, andJupiter aspects the Sun.

 

In Jupiter-Mars, his marriage completely broke up. Not even in Saturn-

Saturn, as Sanjay Rath suggests. She left him in the Martian sub

period and denied him a divorce till afterwards. Mars is a bad lord

in the house of hearth and home, the forth, where from he aspects

Venus and the seventh. Again, this is only possible from Virgo.

 

I think that I have given you answers worthy of consideration.

 

I invite Sanjay Rath to reconsider the lagna. I imagine that he was

given George's birth data without realizing that there was any

contention. At any rate, I would be interested in hearing from him.

 

And I'll say this- I don't deny the validity of divisional charts, I

just can'tsee using divisional considerations over and above rashi in

order to define this man's birth chart.

 

YS,

 

Dharmapada

 

> 5. Longevity: First set of rules: (1) if the lord of lagna, lord

of 10th,

> and lord of 8th, are all strong and well-positioned, one gets

Purnayu [long

> life, 72 and beyond]; (2) if two out of three are strong, then

middle term

> is obtained; and (3) if one or all three are weak and ill-placed,

then

> short life is obtained. Strength in this sense is scene through

angular or

> trinal positions, exalted/own/friendly signs, etc. In the proposed

Virgo

> chart, all three are strong, i.e. lagna and 10th lord Mercury in a

friendly

> sign in the 5th; and 8th lord Mars in a kendra aspected by

Jupiter. This

> should have given life at least up to the beginning of the long

term, i.e.

> 72 years. Why did he die at age 58?

>

> 6. Next set of longevity determinations: According to Parasara

and

> Jaimini, three pairs of factors determine longevity: (1) Lord of

lagna, and

> lord of 8; (2) Moon, and Saturn; and (3) lagna and Hora lagna.

Cardinal

> signs = long life; fixed signs = short life; and (3) dual signs =

medium

> life. If both factors in a set are the same, then the requisite

term is

> given (i.e. if both factors are dual, it equals medium life, if

both are

> fixed, it equals short life, etc.). If in each set, there are

differing

> factors, then the third one gives the longevity. For example, if

the Moon

> is in a cardinal sign, and Saturn is in a fixed sign, then the

third factor

> (dual) becomes the term, namely medium life. So each set, will

give a term

> of longevity: If all, or two out of three agree, then that agreeing

term

> becomes the term of longevity. If all three are different, then

the term

> given by the lagna and Hora lagna determines the longevity. There

are

> some modifying factors, but anyway, this is the system.

>

> So in GH's chart, note the following sets:

>

> Lord of lagna (is placed in) = cardinal

> Lord of 8 = dual =

short term

>

> Moon (sign of) = cardinal

> Saturn = fixed =

medium

> term

>

> Lagna = dual

> Hora lagna (Taurus) = fixed = long

term

>

> So, since all three conclusions are different, the term is as per

the lagna

> and Hora lagna, which is long term. So GH, with a Virgo chart,

should have

> had Purnayu, or long term of longevity. This conclusion agrees

with the

> first longevity analysis given above in paragraph 5.

>

> There are many other points, but I will rest my case for now.

Comments

> welcome.....

> Robert

>

> =====================================

> Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

> Faculty member SJVC and ACVA

> Phone: 541-318-0248

> visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

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