Guest guest Posted December 8, 2001 Report Share Posted December 8, 2001 gjlist, "Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath> wrote: > OM GURAVE NAMAH > Dear Dharmapada Prabhu, > > Jaya Jagannath! > In a message you wrote: > "As far as dispositors are concerned, they are not emphasized at all in the > classic literature the way that placement in dushthanas are. It is my > contention that the ascendent lord, Venus and the lord of the house of > properties in the most evil houses of the horoscope preclude the possibility > of Libra beingthe ascendent of George Harrison, the millionare musician. " > Disregarding the dispositorship for a moment, it is worth examining > these points: > (1) Why does Venus get exalted in the sixth from its Moolatrikona? Sanjay, Thank you for writing on the horoscope of George Harrison. I will answer your first question thusly- Moolatrikona sequence in relation to the signs is not the same as placement in the houses. For example, Aries and Scorpio have6/8 positions from each other, but the eighth is bad for Mars, and the sixth usually is, too. If you are implying some kind of carryover correspondence, I cannot accept that. It is emphasized in the literature, very frankly, that the sixth is evil for benefics. > (2) Is the position of the lord of Lagna in exaltation good or is its > debility good? Exaltation is good, but nothing is black and white. It is always a matter of shades of grey, especially inastrology. Although Venus is exalted, venus occupies a bad house, especially for benefics. > (3) Which is the best place for Venus to occupy for Libra Lagna? The trines, where Venus has favorable signs to occupy. > Forgive me for asking these basic questions, but then there is some > difference in the fundamentals out here. Yes, it seems that my stance is with the fundamentals. All the literaturestresses that the ascendant lord inthe sixth is very bad, and that the sixth is bad for Venus. > Finally, have you wondered about the QUANTUM of WEALTH Venus can give if > it is the lord of lagna exalted in the sixth for Libra Lagna, and that too > ONLY from its own sources like arts, music, films etc. Music was the primary source of wealth for George. Even any investments which he might have made got their capital from his career in music. About Jupiter's aspect, he is the lord of the thridandsixth for Libra. It is hardfor me to believe that thisJupiter providedthe Beatle fameandwealth. Fundamentals- hard to dance around fundamentals. And best regards to you. Dharmapada (Note that it aspects > the 11th sign Gemini from Arudha Lagna (Leo) and both Parasara and Jaimini > have a lot to tell about this. Now to this add the position of Jupiter. He > was wealthy no doubt. Rest later. > > Best Regards > Sanjay Rath > http://sanjayrath.tripod.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 Dear Sanjay I would be interested in your answer to the 3 questions you pose Nicholas : (1) Why does Venus get exalted in the sixth from its Moolatrikona? (2) Is the position of the lord of Lagna in exaltation good or is its debility good? (3) Which is the best place for Venus to occupy for Libra Lagna? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 Dear List Members This raises the interesting question of why Venus is exalted in Pisces in the first place .With the 8 exaltations it is fairly clear why the planet finds it's exaltation where it does it's energies are compatible with the sign In Mars case although in an enemy's sign it is argued that being a soldier he wins glory in battle . Jupiter is another funny one in that he is exalted 8 places from his MT .However it is relatively easy to see that Guru finds strength in Cancer's nurturing energies and the Moon and Jupiter are friends with Jupiter ruling another of the water signs ( although the Moon produced Budha from illegitimate contact with Jupiter's wife ). So Venus'exaltation in an enemy's sign is a quandary Why is the planet of sense gratification exalted in the natural sign for moksha ? Is it that the soul gives up sense gratification and pursues the path of self realisation and in this way finds peace .This is the common explanation but is it correct and sufficient .Another explanation is that the artistic expression of Venus gets full scope in the sign of unboundedness Any one else got some ideas ?. Getting back to GH I certainly do not think it is incompatible for him to have first Lord in the 6th . He had dsiputes with the government (Taxman was about the 95% tax rate imposed by Harold Wilson and there was the drug bust) ,the Beatles fell into acrimonious disagreement which I think was one of GHs major sources of unhappiness (wasn't there a song called sue you sue me blues ) and even with the Krishna Consciousness movement he became discouraged by his name constantly being used to give dredibility to an organisation that was plagued by scandals.He really was only ever friends with a few mmbers .In his case the full expression of Venus found in Pisces did turn him towards the search for moksha . Hare Krishna Nicholas (1) Why does Venus get exalted in the sixth from its Moolatrikona? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 I would assume it stems from observation. These natives seem to be very compassionate and nonjudgmental. c - Nicholas gjlist Sunday, December 09, 2001 10:52 AM Re: [GJ] Libra & Venus Dear List Members This raises the interesting question of why Venus is exalted in Pisces in the first place .With the 8 exaltations it is fairly clear why the planet finds it's exaltation where it does it's energies are compatible with the sign In Mars case although in an enemy's sign it is argued that being a soldier he wins glory in battle . Jupiter is another funny one in that he is exalted 8 places from his MT .However it is relatively easy to see that Guru finds strength in Cancer's nurturing energies and the Moon and Jupiter are friends with Jupiter ruling another of the water signs ( although the Moon produced Budha from illegitimate contact with Jupiter's wife ). So Venus'exaltation in an enemy's sign is a quandary Why is the planet of sense gratification exalted in the natural sign for moksha ? Is it that the soul gives up sense gratification and pursues the path of self realisation and in this way finds peace .This is the common explanation but is it correct and sufficient .Another explanation is that the artistic expression of Venus gets full scope in the sign of unboundedness Any one else got some ideas ?. Getting back to GH I certainly do not think it is incompatible for him to have first Lord in the 6th . He had dsiputes with the government (Taxman was about the 95% tax rate imposed by Harold Wilson and there was the drug bust) ,the Beatles fell into acrimonious disagreement which I think was one of GHs major sources of unhappiness (wasn't there a song called sue you sue me blues ) and even with the Krishna Consciousness movement he became discouraged by his name constantly being used to give dredibility to an organisation that was plagued by scandals.He really was only ever friends with a few mmbers .In his case the full expression of Venus found in Pisces did turn him towards the search for moksha . Hare Krishna Nicholas (1) Why does Venus get exalted in the sixth from its Moolatrikona? Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 Dear Nicholas, Whom does Venus consider as her Guru ? Manoj >"Nicholas" <costa >gjlist ><gjlist> >Re: [GJ] Libra & Venus >Mon, 10 Dec 2001 03:52:54 +1100 > >Dear List Members >This raises the interesting question of why Venus is exalted in Pisces in >the first place .With the 8 exaltations it is fairly clear why the planet >finds it's exaltation where it does it's energies are compatible with the >sign In Mars case although in an enemy's sign it is argued that being a >soldier he wins glory in battle . Jupiter is another funny one in that he >is exalted 8 places from his MT .However it is relatively easy to see that >Guru finds strength in Cancer's nurturing energies and the Moon and Jupiter >are friends with Jupiter ruling another of the water signs ( although the >Moon produced Budha from illegitimate contact with Jupiter's wife ). > >So Venus'exaltation in an enemy's sign is a quandary Why is the planet of >sense gratification exalted in the natural sign for moksha ? >Is it that the soul gives up sense gratification and pursues the path of >self realisation and in this way finds peace .This is the common >explanation but is it correct and sufficient .Another explanation is that >the artistic expression of Venus gets full scope in the sign of >unboundedness Any one else got some ideas ?. > >Getting back to GH I certainly do not think it is incompatible for him to >have first Lord in the 6th . He had dsiputes with the government (Taxman >was about the 95% tax rate imposed by Harold Wilson and there was the drug >bust) ,the Beatles fell into acrimonious disagreement which I think was one >of GHs major sources of unhappiness (wasn't there a song called sue you sue >me blues ) and even with the Krishna Consciousness movement he became >discouraged by his name constantly being used to give dredibility to an >organisation that was plagued by scandals.He really was only ever friends >with a few mmbers .In his case the full expression of Venus found in Pisces >did turn him towards the search for moksha . > >Hare Krishna >Nicholas > > > > >(1) Why does Venus get exalted in the sixth from its Moolatrikona? _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 Dear Manoj Nice to have you back contributing In one sense Jupiter or Brhaspati is the Guru of all the Demigods . Sometimes Venus Mercury Saturn Rahu and Ketu are considered a group with Sukracarya as the spiritual master as opposed to Sun Mars Moon and Jupiter with Brhaspati as Spiritual Master . So within the Vedic scriptures there does seem to be two ways of visualising things . We say that Mercury is inimical to Mars but both are demigods and therefore cooperate in the plan of the Lord .Rahu and Ketu are ditinct in that they are not demigods and therefore do not have so much authority . An analogy may be helpful here .In the U.S at elections Republicans run against Democrats and so may be considered opposed to each other but when it comes to Osama Bin Laden they cooperate completely and may be considered friendly . I'm not sure if I have answered your question and I certainly do not want to be the last word on this subject Nicholas - "Manoj Pathak" <manojpathak <gjlist> Monday, December 10, 2001 3:31 PM Re: [GJ] Libra & Venus > Dear Nicholas, > > Whom does Venus consider as her Guru ? > > Manoj > > > >"Nicholas" <costa > >gjlist > ><gjlist> > >Re: [GJ] Libra & Venus > >Mon, 10 Dec 2001 03:52:54 +1100 > > > >Dear List Members > >This raises the interesting question of why Venus is exalted in Pisces in > >the first place .With the 8 exaltations it is fairly clear why the planet > >finds it's exaltation where it does it's energies are compatible with the > >sign In Mars case although in an enemy's sign it is argued that being a > >soldier he wins glory in battle . Jupiter is another funny one in that he > >is exalted 8 places from his MT .However it is relatively easy to see that > >Guru finds strength in Cancer's nurturing energies and the Moon and Jupiter > >are friends with Jupiter ruling another of the water signs ( although the > >Moon produced Budha from illegitimate contact with Jupiter's wife ). > > > >So Venus'exaltation in an enemy's sign is a quandary Why is the planet of > >sense gratification exalted in the natural sign for moksha ? > >Is it that the soul gives up sense gratification and pursues the path of > >self realisation and in this way finds peace .This is the common > >explanation but is it correct and sufficient .Another explanation is that > >the artistic expression of Venus gets full scope in the sign of > >unboundedness Any one else got some ideas ?. > > > >Getting back to GH I certainly do not think it is incompatible for him to > >have first Lord in the 6th . He had dsiputes with the government (Taxman > >was about the 95% tax rate imposed by Harold Wilson and there was the drug > >bust) ,the Beatles fell into acrimonious disagreement which I think was one > >of GHs major sources of unhappiness (wasn't there a song called sue you sue > >me blues ) and even with the Krishna Consciousness movement he became > >discouraged by his name constantly being used to give dredibility to an > >organisation that was plagued by scandals.He really was only ever friends > >with a few mmbers .In his case the full expression of Venus found in Pisces > >did turn him towards the search for moksha . > > > >Hare Krishna > >Nicholas > > > > > > > > > >(1) Why does Venus get exalted in the sixth from its Moolatrikona? > > > _______________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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