Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 Hello, Just started this list. I am somewhat familiar with the Nakshatras. But, is there information on the predictive side of the Nakshatras rather than character analysis? James Braha states in his latest book that he believes (but has no proof) the system of Nakshatras was originally about predicting events, rather than character analysis, but such information has been lost over time. What do you all think? Read Greyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 Hi Wendy, Thanks for clarifying this and pointing it out. It has been great to hear about all the different Nakshatras and interesting to hear the different experiences with them. Eager to hear of each one. But your information is very helpful. Thanks and best regards, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 Dear Wendy Good points .There is a lot of classical information about the rising nakshtra also . Suppose one is running Mars dasha and Mars is in Asvini (Ketu's nakshtra ) some jyotishis opine that the native will get Ketu effects during this period .Is their classical backing for this ? Best Wishes Nicholas - Wendy Vasicek gjlist Cc: Jyotish Vidya Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:40 PM [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras Due to the overwhelming interest in Nakshatras it may be relevant to point out that (as Moon governs mind, and as all springs from mind), the nakshatra of Moon has an overriding influence on the horoscope. Apart from lagna, AtmaKaraka and (to a lesser degree) Sun, the nakshatras of other planets impact (personally) on those for which they are karakas. For instance, The nakshatra of Mars will impact upon the nature of younger siblings (or those belonging to Mars' houses) more than on our own innate nature. The nakshatra of Jupiter will impact more upon the nature of Guru, etc. (and those belonging to Jupiter's houses) than on our own innate nature. This is why, in classic texts, you will find the description of Moon in each nakshatra emphasised...little or no importance is given (for other planets) regarding the effect of nakshatra placement in relation to the native's own innate nature, character etc... Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 Hi Patrice, Thanks for clarifying this and pointing it out. It has been great to hear about all the different Nakshatras and interesting to hear the different experiences with them. Eager to hear of each one. But your information is very helpful. I agree absolutely! It's good (and necessary) to understand the nature of the nakshatras :-) Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 Dear Nicholas, Yes! this is absolutely true. I think we've spoken before of the importance of nakshatra lord when predicting dasa results. Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Wendy Good points .There is a lot of classical information about the rising nakshtra also . Suppose one is running Mars dasha and Mars is in Asvini (Ketu's nakshtra ) some jyotishis opine that the native will get Ketu effects during this period .Is their classical backing for this ? Best Wishes Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 Due to the overwhelming interest in Nakshatras it may be relevant to point out that (as Moon governs mind, and as all springs from mind), the nakshatra of Moon has an overriding influence on the horoscope. Ravindramani writes: 2-1-2002 12:11 Hrs IST Dear Wendy and the List, My observations please: Yes. You are. Moon is the base for everything. His Nakshatra only decides the Dasha pattern which the native is going to enjoy. (Vimshotari Dasha or Yogni and any dasha system based on nakshtra for that matter.) All thoughts come from moon. Thoughts manifest as action. Action decides the karma of the native. In Hindu Astrology, Of course, Nakshtras do play a vital role in prediction. In Horary it plays really an important role. Nakshtra is a place or the area where a planet is located or identified at the time of birth as that of a Rasi. In a particular nakshtra a person born and that nakshtra only does not decide all events in his life and his charateristics etc. Of course that nakshtra decides the dasha pattern whether a malefic dasha or a functional malefic dasha (like 6th or 8th or 12th lord's dasha) which the native is going to enjoy immediately after birth and if the concerned planets show a basic promise of any disese, for example, then that dasha is going to give that disease. ( like congenital diseases). Hence, the natal chart should be analysed in totality. I feel, the final prediction mainly depends on the significations/indications of the planets only. What are the influence over those planets (natural/functional beneficity or maleficity) in a given chart. We are ultimately coming to the planets only in a natal chart for prediction. How ? All rasis are governed by seven planets.(Lordship) All nakshtras are governed by the same seven planets(Lordship) See even if you take the birth tithi - again all tithis are governed by the same planets ( like Poorna, nanda, rikta etc.) If we consider the birth time under the head of Horas (Day Horas and night Horas again governed by the same planets) Thus all planets are posited in different divisional charts in different divisions. Those divisions are again owned by the same planets. Planets strength, numerically , (Shadbala of planets) calculated on the above factors. According to the strength, the planets show their tendency towards the native as basic promise, as dasha fructification and as transit results. Hence if we consider the planets themselves carefully, how they are posited in different divisional charts and in the rasi chart, their strength, before deducing any area, we may have a fair idea how that area will manifest for the native. I am a student of astrology. Learned astrologers may correct me anywhere i am wrong in my basic concepts. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. Send your FREE holiday greetings online at Greetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 Doing Sports Astrology, I can tell you the Nakshatras are ALL about predicting events.It seems that the Moons Nakshatra ruler reflects the day more than say, the Planetary Ruler of the day(wed=me,thur=ju,etc.) The Mars Ruled Nakshatras and Rahu's and Ketu's Nakshatras are "Nice and Chaotic" in the sports world.Ketu's Nakshatras bring in Big underdogs( the bigger the dog the better it seems) - <readgreyer <gjlist> Tuesday, January 01, 2002 9:12 PM Re: [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras > Hello, > > Just started this list. I am somewhat familiar with the Nakshatras. But, is > there information on the predictive side of the Nakshatras rather than > character analysis? James Braha states in his latest book that he believes > (but has no proof) the system of Nakshatras was originally about predicting > events, rather than character analysis, but such information has been lost > over time. What do you all think? > > Read Greyer > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 Hare Rama Krsna Hello group! It is interesting to note that even though vimshottari started from Moon show results quite correctly, sometimes it can be quite off the mark if the Lagna is more stronger than the Moon. See the kendras from the Lagna and the Moon. If Moon's kendra has more planet then that of Lagna, then start the dasa from Moon or else the Lagna. If there is a tie, then use the Moon's position as Vimshottari is a nakashatra based dasa whose overlordship is with Moon. Under above mentioned circumstances, if the Lagna becomes stronger, then the lagna nakshatra will have predominant influence on the native, even though the moon nakshatra has some. I am not going into the keys to deciphering Vimshottari now, however, what I want to convey is that never ignore, the lagna nakshatra. Regards Sarajit - ravindramani gjlist Wednesday, January 02, 2002 12:08 PM Re: [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras Wendy Vasicek <wenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au> wrote: Due to the overwhelming interest in Nakshatras it may be relevant to point out that (as Moon governs mind, and as all springs from mind), the nakshatra of Moon has an overriding influence on the horoscope. Ravindramani writes: 2-1-2002 12:11 Hrs IST Dear Wendy and the List, My observations please: Yes. You are. Moon is the base for everything. His Nakshatra only decides the Dasha pattern which the native is going to enjoy. (Vimshotari Dasha or Yogni and any dasha system based on nakshtra for that matter.) All thoughts come from moon. Thoughts manifest as action. Action decides the karma of the native. In Hindu Astrology, Of course, Nakshtras do play a vital role in prediction. In Horary it plays really an important role. Nakshtra is a place or the area where a planet is located or identified at the time of birth as that of a Rasi. In a particular nakshtra a person born and that nakshtra only does not decide all events in his life and his charateristics etc. Of course that nakshtra decides the dasha pattern whether a malefic dasha or a functional malefic dasha (like 6th or 8th or 12th lord's dasha) which the native is going to enjoy immediately after birth and if the concerned planets show a basic promise of any disese, for example, then that dasha is going to give that disease. ( like congenital diseases). Hence, the natal chart should be analysed in totality. I feel, the final prediction mainly depends on the significations/indications of the planets only. What are the influence over those planets (natural/functional beneficity or maleficity) in a given chart. We are ultimately coming to the planets only in a natal chart for prediction. How ? All rasis are governed by seven planets.(Lordship) All nakshtras are governed by the same seven planets(Lordship) See even if you take the birth tithi - again all tithis are governed by the same planets ( like Poorna, nanda, rikta etc.) If we consider the birth time under the head of Horas (Day Horas and night Horas again governed by the same planets) Thus all planets are posited in different divisional charts in different divisions. Those divisions are again owned by the same planets. Planets strength, numerically , (Shadbala of planets) calculated on the above factors. According to the strength, the planets show their tendency towards the native as basic promise, as dasha fructification and as transit results. Hence if we consider the planets themselves carefully, how they are posited in different divisional charts and in the rasi chart, their strength, before deducing any area, we may have a fair idea how that area will manifest for the native. I am a student of astrology. Learned astrologers may correct me anywhere i am wrong in my basic concepts. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. Send your FREE holiday greetings online at Greetings. Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Nicholas! I would rather say that if one is running mars dasa, the planets who are placed in mars's nakshatras will manifest their results. This is in addition to other standard influences such as lordship etc. For illustration, if Jupiter is placed in mars nakshatra, Jupiterian influences will be seen in the mars dasa. Regards Sarajit - Nicholas gjlist Cc: Jyotish Vidya Wednesday, January 02, 2002 10:34 AM Re: [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras Dear Wendy Good points .There is a lot of classical information about the rising nakshtra also . Suppose one is running Mars dasha and Mars is in Asvini (Ketu's nakshtra ) some jyotishis opine that the native will get Ketu effects during this period .Is their classical backing for this ? Best Wishes Nicholas - Wendy Vasicek gjlist Cc: Jyotish Vidya Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:40 PM [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras Due to the overwhelming interest in Nakshatras it may be relevant to point out that (as Moon governs mind, and as all springs from mind), the nakshatra of Moon has an overriding influence on the horoscope. Apart from lagna, AtmaKaraka and (to a lesser degree) Sun, the nakshatras of other planets impact (personally) on those for which they are karakas. For instance, The nakshatra of Mars will impact upon the nature of younger siblings (or those belonging to Mars' houses) more than on our own innate nature. The nakshatra of Jupiter will impact more upon the nature of Guru, etc. (and those belonging to Jupiter's houses) than on our own innate nature. This is why, in classic texts, you will find the description of Moon in each nakshatra emphasised...little or no importance is given (for other planets) regarding the effect of nakshatra placement in relation to the native's own innate nature, character etc... Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of Groups is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 Dear Wendy Actually my question was is their classical backing for this idea ? Nicholas - Wendy Vasicek gjlist Wednesday, January 02, 2002 4:15 PM Re: [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras Dear Nicholas, Yes! this is absolutely true. I think we've spoken before of the importance of nakshatra lord when predicting dasa results. Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Wendy Good points .There is a lot of classical information about the rising nakshtra also . Suppose one is running Mars dasha and Mars is in Asvini (Ketu's nakshtra ) some jyotishis opine that the native will get Ketu effects during this period .Is their classical backing for this ? Best Wishes NicholasOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 Dear Sarajit My question is is their classical backing for this ? Nicholas - Sarajit Poddar gjlist Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:53 PM Re: [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras Hare Rama Krsna Dear Nicholas! I would rather say that if one is running mars dasa, the planets who are placed in mars's nakshatras will manifest their results. This is in addition to other standard influences such as lordship etc. For illustration, if Jupiter is placed in mars nakshatra, Jupiterian influences will be seen in the mars dasa. Regards Sarajit - Nicholas gjlist Cc: Jyotish Vidya Wednesday, January 02, 2002 10:34 AM Re: [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras Dear Wendy Good points .There is a lot of classical information about the rising nakshtra also . Suppose one is running Mars dasha and Mars is in Asvini (Ketu's nakshtra ) some jyotishis opine that the native will get Ketu effects during this period .Is their classical backing for this ? Best Wishes Nicholas - Wendy Vasicek gjlist Cc: Jyotish Vidya Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:40 PM [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras Due to the overwhelming interest in Nakshatras it may be relevant to point out that (as Moon governs mind, and as all springs from mind), the nakshatra of Moon has an overriding influence on the horoscope. Apart from lagna, AtmaKaraka and (to a lesser degree) Sun, the nakshatras of other planets impact (personally) on those for which they are karakas. For instance, The nakshatra of Mars will impact upon the nature of younger siblings (or those belonging to Mars' houses) more than on our own innate nature. The nakshatra of Jupiter will impact more upon the nature of Guru, etc. (and those belonging to Jupiter's houses) than on our own innate nature. This is why, in classic texts, you will find the description of Moon in each nakshatra emphasised...little or no importance is given (for other planets) regarding the effect of nakshatra placement in relation to the native's own innate nature, character etc... Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of Groups is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 Dear Ravindramani, We are in agreement :-) However if I might just add one thought in regard to interpreting Rasi. The first jyotish reading I ever had was from a very knowledgeable and competant pundit who had, at that time (over 20yrs ago), been practicing for 30 + yrs. I gave him my details over the phone and within the hour I was sitting beside him for my reading. Very quickly, without any hesitation, he gave me the best reading I'd ever had....and he did this just from Rashi and Navamsha. After the reading (of Rashi) he asked if I had any further questions...explaining that there were other charts he could draw (in order to answer my questions). But the point I wish to make is that his initial reading was just from Rashi/Navamsha. To this day I still consider Punditji to be my greatest mentor. Due solely to the influence of this wise Pundit I also read (initially) from Rashi....if more needs to be known then I consult the divisional charts. This is not the way for everyone, I know...but it's the way that's most comfortable for me. To my mind Rashi shows all if it's not clouded with unecessary elements...the divisionals add certainty, colour and depth. Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ravindramani writes: 2-1-2002 12:11 Hrs IST Dear Wendy and the List, My observations please: Yes. You are. Moon is the base for everything. His Nakshatra only decides the Dasha pattern which the native is going to enjoy. (Vimshotari Dasha or Yogni and any dasha system based on nakshtra for that matter.) All thoughts come from moon. Thoughts manifest as action. Action decides the karma of the native. In Hindu Astrology, Of course, Nakshtras do play a vital role in prediction. In Horary it plays really an important role. Nakshtra is a place or the area where a planet is located or identified at the time of birth as that of a Rasi. In a particular nakshtra a person born and that nakshtra only does not decide all events in his life and his charateristics etc. Of course that nakshtra decides the dasha pattern whether a malefic dasha or a functional malefic dasha (like 6th or 8th or 12th lord's dasha) which the native is going to enjoy immediately after birth and if the concerned planets show a basic promise of any disese, for example, then that dasha is going to give that disease. ( like congenital diseases). Hence, the natal chart should be analysed in totality. I feel, the final prediction mainly depends on the significations/indications of the planets only. What are the influence over those planets (natural/functional beneficity or maleficity) in a given chart. We are ultimately coming to the planets only in a natal chart for prediction. How ? All rasis are governed by seven planets.(Lordship) All nakshtras are governed by the same seven planets(Lordship) See even if you take the birth tithi - again all tithis are governed by the same planets ( like Poorna, nanda, rikta etc.) If we consider the birth time under the head of Horas (Day Horas and night Horas again governed by the same planets) Thus all planets are posited in different divisional charts in different divisions. Those divisions are again owned by the same planets. Planets strength, numerically , (Shadbala of planets) calculated on the above factors. According to the strength, the planets show their tendency towards the native as basic promise, as dasha fructification and as transit results. Hence if we consider the planets themselves carefully, how they are posited in different divisional charts and in the rasi chart, their strength, before deducing any area, we may have a fair idea how that area will manifest for the native. I am a student of astrology. Learned astrologers may correct me anywhere i am wrong in my basic concepts. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 Dear Nicholas, My first post answered part of your question, I think :-) >>>This is why, in classic texts, you will find the description of Moon in each nakshatra emphasised...little or no importance is given (for other planets) regarding the effect of nakshatra placement in relation to the native's own innate nature, character etc...<<< Importance too is given to nakshatra of lagna, but nowhere near as great an emphasis as is given to Moon's nakshatra. In regard to your question below: >>>Suppose one is running Mars dasha and Mars is in Asvini (Ketu's nakshtra ) some jyotishis opine that the native will get Ketu effects during this period ..Is their classical backing for this ?<<< I cannot recall any scriptural reference to this idea. Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Wendy Actually my question was is their classical backing for this idea ? Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 Dear Wendy You are probably right .They are the moon's nakshatras after all so I always thought they described different mental states . In my case the Lagna Lord is extremely strong and the Moon is extremely weak so I think I display far more the Lagna's charecteristics than the Moons .However I might be exceptional and not the general situation .What about others do you feel more attuned to your rising nakshatra or your Moon nakshatra ? Best Wishes Nicholas - Wendy Vasicek gjlist Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:47 PM Re: [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras Dear Nicholas, My first post answered part of your question, I think :-) >>>This is why, in classic texts, you will find the description of Moon in each nakshatra emphasised...little or no importance is given (for other planets) regarding the effect of nakshatra placement in relation to the native's own innate nature, character etc...<<< Importance too is given to nakshatra of lagna, but nowhere near as great an emphasis as is given to Moon's nakshatra. In regard to your question below: >>>Suppose one is running Mars dasha and Mars is in Asvini (Ketu's nakshtra ) some jyotishis opine that the native will get Ketu effects during this period ..Is their classical backing for this ?<<< I cannot recall any scriptural reference to this idea. Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Wendy Actually my question was is their classical backing for this idea ? NicholasOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 Dear Nicholas, >>>Suppose one is running Mars dasha and Mars is in Asvini (Ketu's nakshtra ) some jyotishis opine that the native will get Ketu effects during this period ..Is their classical backing for this ? I cannot recall any scriptural reference to this idea.<<< What I've been taught, and what I've found works; is that in line with the example you've given, if Ketu (occupying favourable houses from Mars (as in your example) and/or from lagna/Moon), is strong and unaflicted, it has an enormous say in the general outcome of Mars nature/dasas. In simple terms, the condition and strength of nakshatra lord has a strong influence on the way the planet in question behaves/manifests. For my part, I believe that Moon's nakshatra (Swati) is the stronger...and certainly Moon's nakshatra lord Rahu is indicative of how I'm compelled to follow the path I'm on....it's not something I can avoid or choose not to do :-) Jupiter and Rahu both in nakshatra of 9th lord Mercury is also (undoubtedly) influential in their dasas/natures. Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Wendy You are probably right .They are the moon's nakshatras after all so I always thought they described different mental states . In my case the Lagna Lord is extremely strong and the Moon is extremely weak so I think I display far more the Lagna's charecteristics than the Moons .However I might be exceptional and not the general situation .What about others do you feel more attuned to your rising nakshatra or your Moon nakshatra ? Best Wishes Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 on 2/1/02 6:38 am, ravindramani at ravindramani wrote: Planets strength, numerically , (Shadbala of planets) calculated on the above factors. According to the strength, the planets show their tendency towards the native as basic promise, as dasha fructification and as transit results. Hence if we consider the planets themselves carefully, how they are posited in different divisional charts and in the rasi chart, their strength, before deducing any area, we may have a fair idea how that area will manifest for the native. I am a student of astrology. Learned astrologers may correct me anywhere i am wrong in my basic concepts. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. My limited perspective is that in order to make a totally accurate prediction, which is what astrology is all about, one has to be somewhat of an expert mixer. The individual quality of each sign depending on its exact location, the individual quality of each nakshatra depending on its exact location, the individual quality of each planet depending on its exact location, the individual quality of each house depending on its lords and aspects, and then when the whole thing gets set in motion with the transit periods you come up with an innumerable mixture of influences that produce the unlimited variety that we see in the people and events around us. There are so many different possible mixtures. And an astrologer has to mix and not only match but predict. Has anyone on this conference ever made an accurate prediction that was publicly announced well beforehand? I ask this sincerely and respectfully Arthur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 Dear Wendy What you say may be true in the texts, but I will have to disagree on the significance of the naks.. of various planets. I found that they are, indeed revealing about the innate nature of the native, at least as I see innate nature. Before I go forward, would you please elaborate on what you mean by "our own innate nature"? c Due to the overwhelming interest in Nakshatras it may be relevant to point out that (as Moon governs mind, and as all springs from mind), the nakshatra of Moon has an overriding influence on the horoscope. Apart from lagna, AtmaKaraka and (to a lesser degree) Sun, the nakshatras of other planets impact (personally) on those for which they are karakas. For instance, The nakshatra of Mars will impact upon the nature of younger siblings (or those belonging to Mars' houses) more than on our own innate nature. The nakshatra of Jupiter will impact more upon the nature of Guru, etc. (and those belonging to Jupiter's houses) than on our own innate nature. This is why, in classic texts, you will find the description of Moon in each nakshatra emphasised...little or no importance is given (for other planets) regarding the effect of nakshatra placement in relation to the native's own innate nature, character etc... Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 DearAll Assuming that this is true, and there is not, to my understanding, any way to prove that they were ORIGINALLY used for prediction, would that preclude using them for greater understanding of an individual? It would seem to me that the chart and all the various components in it may be used by various astrologers, with various inclinations, in different ways. I am much more interested in the nature of the individual and his ultimate fulfillment of that than I am in what will happen to him next Tuesday. From that perspective, the naks. are rich illuminating symbols. If, for example I was focused instead upon how his business were going, I would see them differently. For me, I find that the business will work or not as a means of keeping the native on track for his or her personal evolution. If you are fulfilling your potential and meeting your challenges courageously then whether the business makes it or not will not be as significant as if you were clinging to the business as a means of defining yourself. That may sound out there, but I truly believe that if the individual is in a "good space" internally the outer world falls into place. No matter what the experiences are. I find folks who have apparently easy charts and lives have huge stress. Others with apparently huge obstacles manifest great courage and acceptance. THe different between them typically lies between their ears. That, in my opinion is not limited to the Moon's nak. but to the fulfillment of the entire chart....including the outer planets. But that is only one astrologers perspective and toolbox, another may have a totally different approach. The great joy to me is that astrology has room for all and for all to be useful and practical. Different clients are drawn to different approaches so it only makes sense that we would use different tools or the same one differently. "Don't fence me in... ." c - Wendy Vasicek gjlist Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:15 PM Re: [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras Dear Nicholas, Yes! this is absolutely true. I think we've spoken before of the importance of nakshatra lord when predicting dasa results. Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Wendy Good points .There is a lot of classical information about the rising nakshtra also . Suppose one is running Mars dasha and Mars is in Asvini (Ketu's nakshtra ) some jyotishis opine that the native will get Ketu effects during this period .Is their classical backing for this ? Best Wishes NicholasOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 Om Sri Krsnaaya Namah Hi Nicholas, >> is their classical backing for this idea ? << I don't have the references at hand but I recall seeing references to this idea in the nadi shastras. Actually, it is quite logical - if we are going to calculate a dasha on the basis of the nakshatra position of the Moon (or indeed any other astrological factor), it is only sensible to assume that interpretation of that dasha will also have to consider the nakshatras. Happy New Year to the List! Pursottam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 Dear Cynthia, Just as there are two distinctly different schools of (astrological) thought, i.e., Eastern and Western, so also there are two houses that are linked to astrological activities. The 8th house governs past and future events and is very much concerned with the "occult"; it's a moksha house and it's strength is an indication of the intuitive ability of the native. The other house of astrology (the 9th) is the house of "Natural Law", of which jyotish is the expression of. This house governs religion and religious treatises such as the Vedas, and of course jyotish is one of the branches of the Vedas.... IMHO one needs both the ability to learn and understand the basic Vedic principles (9th house) and the intuition required for correct discernment (8th house). For you, 9th lord Mercury in 5th house of the mind, has blessed you with this divine knowledge...but undoubtedly the stronger of the two is the 8th with his lord Sun exalted in the 4th (engaged in mutual aspect with exalted Lagnesh Saturn). This is a wonderful testament to the intuitive nature of the individual...your innate nature is intuitive...innate nature BTW means what it implies = inborn, natural :-) As a quick comparison (if I may), I also have a strong 8th house with it's lord Sun enjoying moolatrikona strength in the 8th itself. But by far the strongest is the 9th house with it's lord Mercury in it's deepest degree of exaltation in the 9th. So naturally my approach will be to adhere more rigidly to the traditional Vedic texts and interpretation than to my own intuitive interpretation....not so "out there" as you put it :-) You know Cynthia, the 4th house governs our confidence and belief. If our belief is strong and we have the confidence to be able to convey that belief then it's easy to understand why they say a favourable (or strong) 4th house gives one the ability to counsel and advise others. It's also not difficult to deduce that, with 8th lord exalted in 4th, you're an intuitive counsellor :-) Whichever methods or approach one uses is what's right for him or her and no-one can say one approach is superior to the other...if it seemed like I was saying that, I apologise. Like you say the internet is not the best medium to express ourselves, usually we write quickly and whilst we might know what our intentions are, others may see it differently. I just ask you to realise that (quite naturally) my posts will be in line with the traditional approach...it's not meant to be confrontational :-) Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Wendy What you say may be true in the texts, but I will have to disagree on the significance of the naks.. of various planets. I found that they are, indeed revealing about the innate nature of the native, at least as I see innate nature. Before I go forward, would you please elaborate on what you mean by "our own innate nature"? c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 Dear Wendy I don't eve mind if you are confrontational, and long as you don't mind if I have a tendency to respond much in the same way <grins>. I was already a professional western astrologer when I encountered Jyotish. I took each tool and tried it with my clients first as an experiment and an addition to their session so I can learn and eventually patterns and techniques developed. I have not read scriptures extensively, but know that there has been much that has been lost. I also believe IMHO that as we have developed over time that we have different concerns and so astrology addresses them. So, if something does not appear in scripture, I don't throw it out but play with it until I get comfortable with it much like I would play with a new socket wrench until I got the knack <grins>. My mentor gave me huge freedom in my studies so I learned the basic rules but little restriction. It simply never dawned on me NOT to use the naks. of each planet. My goal is to identify the knot and help the client unravel it much more than to predict. I will say that prediction is a part of my work and I rely upon the Dashas but mostly upon the transits to guide me. Still, a Venus in Jyeshta or Utar Ashada can reveal why relationships are so difficult in a chart that appears to have strong relationship potential. The dialogue is much appreciated and I won't get offended at your rules if you won't get offended by my lack of them. To the list I am really enjoying you all c - Wendy Vasicek gjlist Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:10 PM Re: [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras Dear Cynthia, Just as there are two distinctly different schools of (astrological) thought, i.e., Eastern and Western, so also there are two houses that are linked to astrological activities. The 8th house governs past and future events and is very much concerned with the "occult"; it's a moksha house and it's strength is an indication of the intuitive ability of the native. The other house of astrology (the 9th) is the house of "Natural Law", of which jyotish is the expression of. This house governs religion and religious treatises such as the Vedas, and of course jyotish is one of the branches of the Vedas.... IMHO one needs both the ability to learn and understand the basic Vedic principles (9th house) and the intuition required for correct discernment (8th house). For you, 9th lord Mercury in 5th house of the mind, has blessed you with this divine knowledge...but undoubtedly the stronger of the two is the 8th with his lord Sun exalted in the 4th (engaged in mutual aspect with exalted Lagnesh Saturn). This is a wonderful testament to the intuitive nature of the individual...your innate nature is intuitive...innate nature BTW means what it implies = inborn, natural :-) As a quick comparison (if I may), I also have a strong 8th house with it's lord Sun enjoying moolatrikona strength in the 8th itself. But by far the strongest is the 9th house with it's lord Mercury in it's deepest degree of exaltation in the 9th. So naturally my approach will be to adhere more rigidly to the traditional Vedic texts and interpretation than to my own intuitive interpretation....not so "out there" as you put it :-) You know Cynthia, the 4th house governs our confidence and belief. If our belief is strong and we have the confidence to be able to convey that belief then it's easy to understand why they say a favourable (or strong) 4th house gives one the ability to counsel and advise others. It's also not difficult to deduce that, with 8th lord exalted in 4th, you're an intuitive counsellor :-) Whichever methods or approach one uses is what's right for him or her and no-one can say one approach is superior to the other...if it seemed like I was saying that, I apologise. Like you say the internet is not the best medium to express ourselves, usually we write quickly and whilst we might know what our intentions are, others may see it differently. I just ask you to realise that (quite naturally) my posts will be in line with the traditional approach...it's not meant to be confrontational :-) Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Wendy What you say may be true in the texts, but I will have to disagree on the significance of the naks.. of various planets. I found that they are, indeed revealing about the innate nature of the native, at least as I see innate nature. Before I go forward, would you please elaborate on what you mean by "our own innate nature"? cOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 Cynthia Wrote: >>>It simply never dawned on me NOT to use the naks. of each planet.<<< Dear Cynthia, I think there may be some misunderstanding regarding my post on nakshatras. I never meant to imply that they not be used to understand (more fully) all of the planets...it was just to do with the context in which they're used. You said: >>>Still, a Venus in Jyeshta or Utar Ashada can reveal why relationships are so difficult in a chart that appears to have strong relationship potential.<<< This is virtually what I said in my earlier post: >>>For instance, The nakshatra of Mars will impact upon the nature of younger siblings (or those belonging to Mars' houses) more than on our own innate nature. The nakshatra of Jupiter will impact more upon the nature of Guru, etc. (and those belonging to Jupiter's houses) than on our own innate nature.<<< So naturally the character (added flavour or influence) Venus has developed, due to the nakshatra he finds himself in, will impact on relationships...Venus governs spouse and all those we have an intimate relationship with...so that Venus nakshatra impacts more upon the significations of Venus than on our own innate nature and (most importantly) on our mind. Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2002 Report Share Posted January 3, 2002 OK I'm still struggling, but I think I am following you. Would you mind helping me by example to distinguish how say Venus in Jyeshta does not reveal the innate nature? Or, how would the innate nature of Venus in Jyeshta NOT impact relationships? It would seem to me impossible to distinguish one from the other. If we are fearful of being betrayed by our nature, we would choose partners who betray us in some manner so that we can ultimately untie the knot within about betrayal. I would see that knot as innate. How do you distinguish the two. BTW, I'm really enjoying this, and hope I'm not being too dense. appreciating you c - Wendy Vasicek gjlist Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:56 PM Re: [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras Cynthia Wrote: >>>It simply never dawned on me NOT to use the naks. of each planet.<<< Dear Cynthia, I think there may be some misunderstanding regarding my post on nakshatras. I never meant to imply that they not be used to understand (more fully) all of the planets...it was just to do with the context in which they're used. You said: >>>Still, a Venus in Jyeshta or Utar Ashada can reveal why relationships are so difficult in a chart that appears to have strong relationship potential.<<< This is virtually what I said in my earlier post: >>>For instance, The nakshatra of Mars will impact upon the nature of younger siblings (or those belonging to Mars' houses) more than on our own innate nature. The nakshatra of Jupiter will impact more upon the nature of Guru, etc. (and those belonging to Jupiter's houses) than on our own innate nature.<<< So naturally the character (added flavour or influence) Venus has developed, due to the nakshatra he finds himself in, will impact on relationships...Venus governs spouse and all those we have an intimate relationship with...so that Venus nakshatra impacts more upon the significations of Venus than on our own innate nature and (most importantly) on our mind. Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2002 Report Share Posted January 3, 2002 Dear Cynthia, I see the problem, I think? It's not so much that we're conveying different concepts, it's more that we're expressing the same concept in a different way :-) As in life, jyotish is very complex, and oftentimes it's the subtle interpretations (nuances) that influence our understanding the most...so I understand it this way and you understand it that way, but basically (I think) we're saying much the same thing. You Wrote: >>>If we are fearful of being betrayed by our nature, we would choose partners who betray us in some manner so that we can ultimately untie the knot within about betrayal. I would see that knot as innate. How do you distinguish the two.<<< The innate nature of the partner(s) chosen would be to betray. And because Venus is expressed in this way, these would be the type of partners we'd draw and/or be attracted to. Our innate (basic) nature may be quite different to that of our partners...our nature may be to cling, to hold onto, never to betray... Of course Venus (within us) is expressed (outwardly) as our ability to give and receive love...but the love we give and receive from another (person, or object of beauty). Perhaps we can mull over this a bit more when I'm a little less weary...the mind is a bit heavy at the moment :-) Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OK I'm still struggling, but I think I am following you. Would you mind helping me by example to distinguish how say Venus in Jyeshta does not reveal the innate nature? Or, how would the innate nature of Venus in Jyeshta NOT impact relationships? It would seem to me impossible to distinguish one from the other. BTW, I'm really enjoying this, and hope I'm not being too dense. appreciating you c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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