Re-inventing the wheel.

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Andrew,

 

Great to see you're back amongst us mere mortals. Things just weren't the

same without ya. There's been lots of talk of nakshatras round here

lately, but not too many folks seem interested in lordships in the KP

sense. Just descriptive profiles -- not that useful for my purposes. I

think the strength of your approach is that it tries to incorporate the

nakshatra lords into a general way of looking at a chart -- hard to find

these days. Stuff written about the nakshatras tends to be descriptive,

like Harness' book or Komilla Sutton's recent book where she must have been

blackmailed by her publisher: all the nakshatras are applied to western Sun

signs!! Never mind the western zodiac problem, but why on earth Sun

positions for a Moon-based system? It seems nakshatras are the newest fad

in vedic astrology. I suspect it's because they feel comfortable to the

western oriented astrologer who thrive on long wordy profiles of signs and

planets. Myths and things like that. But few people out there know much

about how to read the chart according to the nakshatra lords and how they

interact with the chart. It's a nearly lost science that is definitely

worthwhile. Hopefully, you can set us straight on some of the basics and

we can tussle over some charts.

 

1:42 PM 1/8/02 +1100, Andrew Lynn wrote:

>Dear Chris

>

>In regards to this post by Martin. What he has correctly explained is the

>whole basis to "Stellar Astrology" as used by many of the old timers like

>Krishnamurti, Seshadri Iyer, R.G. Iyer and others. It is nothing new or

>revolutionary but when explained free of bullshit and dogma with a real life

>example it appears like a revelation.

 

I think you've missed the boat here. The basic principle is of course

derived from reading the nakshatras in a KP way, but progressing the Moon

and looking for aspected hits to the natal -- I've never seen anybody do

that. What page is this technique on in Stellar Astrology? There is no

allowance for progressing the Moon through the dahsas of the nakshatras in

*space* in the chart. At least, if it is there, no one talks about it. I

think the Moon is only the starting point here. If one uses the various

karakas, then even better results can be obtained. For example, your

accident in Jun 1990 occurred during Sun-Ven dasha. This technique isn't

about looking at the star lord for either of those, it's about progressing

the Sun through where it would be in Sun-ruled Uttara Phalguni at the time

of the accident. Neither you nor Krishnamurti do this. By my rough

calculations, this would put the dasha-nakshatra progressed Moon at 24

degrees of Leo (ie near the end of that Sun-ruled dasha in *time* and in

*space*.) Significantly, this is exactly opposite your Ascendant at 23Le05

(it would be more exact if we pushed your TOB forward a few minutes as I

think we might given that tertiary progressed hit we discussed in a

previous post) At any rate, why would a progressed Moon conjuncting the

Dsc cause an accident? Well, one can't read too much into all purpose Moon

hits with this technique but remember that the Moon is your 6th lord and it

is in a 3 degree conjunction with the planet of accidents, Uranus, opposed

more widely by Mars.

 

But the potential bombshell here is if we use planets other than the Moon

to apply the same technique. For accidents, take karaka Mars. In your

chart it's at 11Aq51 in Purva Bhadrapada. So if your accident occurred at

age 28.3, then we have to find the equivalent nakshatra that would yield

28.3 years starting with Mars' natal position. This is a Rahu-ruled dasha

that was about 38% completed by Mars at birth, thus that's about 6.8 years

elapsed. So count Rahu's remaining 11.2 years, then Jupiter's next 16

years, and the then we get to the start of Saturn's dasha, about 1.1 years

or about 6% of its total time of 19 years. This translates into about 0.77

degrees in space(0*46') going into Saturn-ruled Uttara Bhadrapada(which

starts at 3Pi20), or 4Pi06. So progressed Mars dasha nakshatra is 4Pi06.

Any hits? Yes, it was in conjunction with your Sun 4Pi29. This is a solid

and clear signal of a possible accident since Sun is karaka for the

body/self. If you examine these progressions simultaneously, an overall

picture can emerge.

 

Sad to say, no big transit hits to either of these points, but you can't

have everything. Perhaps your injuries weren't that serious, I don't know.

 

The problem with so many other

>astrologers is they are unable to explain something clearly and simply or

>prefer to baffle with the BS to sound all knowing and wise. As King Solomon

>said a long time ago- "there is nother new under the Sun".

>

>> >We tend to think of Vimshottari dashas as blocks of time belonging to the

>> >nine planets. As I was recently reminded, however, they belong primarily

>to

>> >the nakshatras: Vimshottari is an udu- or nakshatra-dasha. This has

>certain

>> >consequences in forecasting.

>

>Exactly, This is what Krishnamurti tries to explain in his work.

>Unfortunately Krishnamurti makes a bit of a dogs breakfast of his attempts

>to explain it simply and logically. Krishnamurti like many old timers tends

>to take huge steps where he starts to explain something then jumps to ---

>"and so he died at 7pm on the 6/5/76". We are left thinking "what about the

>bit after he entered Saturn dasha??"

 

Right. And it's completely useless as a teaching tool. You can't learn

that approach because it's either intuitive or the key processes/decisions

are left out.

 

>

>> >

>> >In other words, the dasha of any nakshatra will, at the appropriate time,

>> >give the result of the planets occupying that nakshatra, or its trinal

>> >nakshatras. According to this model, the result of a planet occupying the

>> >beginning of Asvini, Makha, or Mula will be felt at the beginning of Ketu

>> >dasha; etc.

>

>This is Krishnamurti's very first rule of judgement. A house lord, dasha or

>Bhukti lord will get the strongest influence from planets located in its

>constellations. I have told you and others this so many times.

 

You've never mentioned the space-time link. That is what is so

revolutionary here. At planet at the *beginning* of the nakshatra will be

felt at the *beginning* of the dasha. It may have been articulated

somewhere, but not very clearly and in any case, it bears explicating and

repeating.

 

>

>> >

>> >The particular chart which reminded me of this rule was one that I have

>> >mentioned previously (now again brought to my notice by Tommy Larsen): a

>> >woman born on 13 January, 1959, at 21:30 CET, Copenhagen, Denmark, with

>> >25Le15 rising. She died from cancer on 1 September, 1997, in Mercury

>dasha

>> >Rahu bhukti. To be precise, 59.9% of Mercury dasha had passed. Another

>way

>> >of expressing this would be to say that the Moon had progressed to a

>point

>> >59.9% into Mercury's nakshatra Revati, or 24Pi39, conjunct not only Ketu

>at

>> >24Pi11, but also the 8th cusp at 25Pi23. At the time of death, this point

>> >was transited by Saturn at 25Pi51.

>

>

>Excellent call. This is what Krishnamurti teaches in a more confusing and

>indirect way.

 

Show me where he even comes close! He doesn't teach that.

 

Anyway, good to see your back and ready to go. See you on your new list --

finally, a place to call home!

 

Chris