Guest guest Posted January 10, 2002 Report Share Posted January 10, 2002 Dear All, In light of the recent discussions about the Nodes relationship with Saturn and Mars I'd like to explore the statement "Shani Vat Rahu Kuja Vat Ketu" in a logical fashion if I may. The statement means that Rahu gives results like Saturn and Ketu gives results like Mars. Now one doesn't have to be as logically astute as Einstein to figure out that the disposition of these planets are not similar, by any stretch of the imagination. The question must be asked, surely; "what is implied by this statement"... The nature of Saturn is introverted, penantive, slow, restrictive, cautious etc., whereas the nature of Rahu is extroverted, hedonistic, compulsive etc. So where can we see in the chart that Rahu gives results like Saturn. The "like" results obviously do not come from their nature. However, as co-ruler of Aquarius, Rahu will certainly give results like Saturn as he carries the same characteristics through lordship. The same applies to Ketu and Mars. Ketu is shy, secretive, mystical, introverted etc., whereas the nature of Mars is totally opposite; bold, rash, aggressive, ambitious...there is no "like" nature between them at all. But, again, as co-rulers they carry the same likeness through their mutual lordship. Believe me, Mars in lagna is not going to give results like Ketu...nor Saturn like Rahu. Excuse my boldness, but I can't help thinking that a lot of Parashara has simply been misunderstood. Another question begs to be answered; why would Rahu be associated with Saturn's strongest (moolatrikona) sign, and Ketu with Mars weaker (own) sign. Again I think the answer's fairly obvious when we consider the more powerful, visible characteristics of Rahu as compared to the unassuming, invisible nature of Ketu...it's true to his nature to take a back seat; let Mars have the glory :-) Some food for thought! Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2002 Report Share Posted January 10, 2002 Dear Wendy Good points Any Vedic text is summarised information and the extrapolation can be puzzling . Your expansion on Shanic Vat Rahu Kuja Vat Ketu makes good sense Best Wishes Nicholas - Wendy Vasicek gjlist Cc: Jyotish Vidya Friday, January 11, 2002 8:05 AM [GJ] Shani Vat Rahu Kuja Vat Ketu Dear All, In light of the recent discussions about the Nodes relationship with Saturn and Mars I'd like to explore the statement "Shani Vat Rahu Kuja Vat Ketu" in a logical fashion if I may. The statement means that Rahu gives results like Saturn and Ketu gives results like Mars. Now one doesn't have to be as logically astute as Einstein to figure out that the disposition of these planets are not similar, by any stretch of the imagination. The question must be asked, surely; "what is implied by this statement"... The nature of Saturn is introverted, penantive, slow, restrictive, cautious etc., whereas the nature of Rahu is extroverted, hedonistic, compulsive etc. So where can we see in the chart that Rahu gives results like Saturn. The "like" results obviously do not come from their nature. However, as co-ruler of Aquarius, Rahu will certainly give results like Saturn as he carries the same characteristics through lordship. The same applies to Ketu and Mars. Ketu is shy, secretive, mystical, introverted etc., whereas the nature of Mars is totally opposite; bold, rash, aggressive, ambitious...there is no "like" nature between them at all. But, again, as co-rulers they carry the same likeness through their mutual lordship. Believe me, Mars in lagna is not going to give results like Ketu...nor Saturn like Rahu. Excuse my boldness, but I can't help thinking that a lot of Parashara has simply been misunderstood. Another question begs to be answered; why would Rahu be associated with Saturn's strongest (moolatrikona) sign, and Ketu with Mars weaker (own) sign. Again I think the answer's fairly obvious when we consider the more powerful, visible characteristics of Rahu as compared to the unassuming, invisible nature of Ketu...it's true to his nature to take a back seat; let Mars have the glory :-) Some food for thought! Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2002 Report Share Posted January 10, 2002 The nature of Saturn is introverted, penantive, slow, restrictive, cautious etc., whereas the nature of Rahu is extroverted, hedonistic, compulsive etc. So where can we see in the chart that Rahu gives results like Saturn. The "like" results obviously do not come from their nature. However, as co-ruler of Aquarius, Rahu will certainly give results like Saturn as he carries the same characteristics through lordship. C.S. Ravindramani writes: 11-2-2002 1000 hrs IST Dear Mrs. Wendy, This is really a very good food for thought! Saturn and Rahu can give the "like" results obviously from their nature also. As i understand the Hindu astrology and my logic goes as follows: Saturn and Rahu both are natural malefics. Saturn and Rahu both treat Mercury as their natural friends and when they are posited in Mercurian signs they give favourable results to the native in respect of their natural indications subject to other influences on them. Saturn and Rahu both are slow moving planets in the zodiac. Hence they give their results slowly but their results are felt by the native for a longer period and in greater intensity (say for example if they give diseases - they are chronic in nature and at times incurable if they be posited in 8th.) Saturn and Rahu both represent darkness - they are black in colour - opposed to light - creates fear in the mind of the native - (say for example if they influnce moon the karaka for mind, Rahu when eclipsing moon creates lot of phobias and unfound fears.) Saturn and Rahu both have been allotted the dasha periods by sage parashara 19 and 18 years respectively. ( may be a logic behind it - none is satisfactorily give the logic for allottment of dasha periods among the planets.). During the Dasha period of saturn and Rahu a native is being brought to the right path - he is put under rigirous test in all his walk of life and the native remembers the Almighty. Saturn and Rahu both represent seperativeness. Saturn and Rahu both represent nerves. Like wise Mars and Ketu enjoys the Dasha period of 7 years. Mars and Ketu represents firey nature in common. Mars and Ketu both are natural malefics. During their Dasha periods native is prone to injuries. Mars and Ketu both posited in 5th house they tend to deny progeny subject to other influence on them. Kindly ponder over my logic and correct me wherever my concept is wrong. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. Send FREE video emails in Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2002 Report Share Posted January 10, 2002 Dear Ravindramani You have identified some similarities between Saturn and Rahu or Mars and Ketu but Wendy has identified some clear differences also . I do not think your points negate Wendys . Mars rules both Scorpio and Aries though they are vastly different signs . So if a planet can rule 2 vastly different signs why cannot a sign have 2 different rulers . After all an individual can have one boss at work and another at home : - ) More food for thought Nicholas - ravindramani gjlist Friday, January 11, 2002 3:42 PM Re: [GJ] Shani Vat Rahu Kuja Vat Ketu Wendy Vasicek <wenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au> wrote: The question must be asked, surely; "what is implied by this statement"... The nature of Saturn is introverted, penantive, slow, restrictive, cautious etc., whereas the nature of Rahu is extroverted, hedonistic, compulsive etc. So where can we see in the chart that Rahu gives results like Saturn. The "like" results obviously do not come from their nature. However, as co-ruler of Aquarius, Rahu will certainly give results like Saturn as he carries the same characteristics through lordship. C.S. Ravindramani writes: 11-2-2002 1000 hrs IST Dear Mrs. Wendy, This is really a very good food for thought! Saturn and Rahu can give the "like" results obviously from their nature also. As i understand the Hindu astrology and my logic goes as follows: Saturn and Rahu both are natural malefics. Saturn and Rahu both treat Mercury as their natural friends and when they are posited in Mercurian signs they give favourable results to the native in respect of their natural indications subject to other influences on them. Saturn and Rahu both are slow moving planets in the zodiac. Hence they give their results slowly but their results are felt by the native for a longer period and in greater intensity (say for example if they give diseases - they are chronic in nature and at times incurable if they be posited in 8th.) Saturn and Rahu both represent darkness - they are black in colour - opposed to light - creates fear in the mind of the native - (say for example if they influnce moon the karaka for mind, Rahu when eclipsing moon creates lot of phobias and unfound fears.) Saturn and Rahu both have been allotted the dasha periods by sage parashara 19 and 18 years respectively. ( may be a logic behind it - none is satisfactorily give the logic for allottment of dasha periods among the planets.). During the Dasha period of saturn and Rahu a native is being brought to the right path - he is put under rigirous test in all his walk of life and the native remembers the Almighty. Saturn and Rahu both represent seperativeness. Saturn and Rahu both represent nerves. Like wise Mars and Ketu enjoys the Dasha period of 7 years. Mars and Ketu represents firey nature in common. Mars and Ketu both are natural malefics. During their Dasha periods native is prone to injuries. Mars and Ketu both posited in 5th house they tend to deny progeny subject to other influence on them. Kindly ponder over my logic and correct me wherever my concept is wrong. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. Send FREE video emails in Mail. Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2002 Report Share Posted January 10, 2002 My intention was not to negate Ms. Wendy's observations. You are right, i tried to find out the similarities between the subject planets notwithstanding their acquired lordships. Thankyou for your food for thought also. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. Send FREE video emails in Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 I dont agree to your Logic. Can there be a King to one Territory or one President to a Country? Apart from what discussion is going on. Can someone give an Example, illustrating how Rahu has effects of Aquarius and Ketu has effects like Scorpio. I think that will be a nice discussion. Thanks Deepak gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote: > Dear Ravindramani > You have identified some similarities between Saturn and Rahu or Mars and Ketu but Wendy has identified some clear differences also . I do not think your points negate Wendys . Mars rules both Scorpio and Aries though they are vastly different signs . So if a planet can rule 2 vastly different signs why cannot a sign have 2 different rulers . > After all an individual can have one boss at work and another at home : - ) > More food for thought > Nicholas > - > ravindramani > gjlist > Friday, January 11, 2002 3:42 PM > Re: [GJ] Shani Vat Rahu Kuja Vat Ketu > > > > Wendy Vasicek <wenvas@d...> wrote: > > > The question must be asked, surely; "what is implied by this statement"... > The nature of Saturn is introverted, penantive, slow, restrictive, cautious etc., whereas the nature of Rahu is extroverted, hedonistic, compulsive etc. So where can we see in the chart that Rahu gives results like Saturn. The "like" results obviously do not come from their nature. > However, as co-ruler of Aquarius, Rahu will certainly give results like Saturn as he carries the same characteristics through lordship. > > C.S. Ravindramani writes: 11-2-2002 1000 hrs IST > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, This is really a very good food for thought! > > Saturn and Rahu can give the "like" results obviously from their nature also. As i understand the Hindu astrology and my logic goes as follows: > 1.. Saturn and Rahu both are natural malefics. > 2.. Saturn and Rahu both treat Mercury as their natural friends and when they are posited in Mercurian signs they give favourable results to the native in respect of their natural indications subject to other influences on them. > 3.. Saturn and Rahu both are slow moving planets in the zodiac. Hence they give their results slowly but their results are felt by the native for a longer period and in greater intensity (say for example if they give diseases - they are chronic in nature and at times incurable if they be posited in 8th.) > 4.. Saturn and Rahu both represent darkness - they are black in colour - opposed to light - creates fear in the mind of the native - (say for example if they influnce moon the karaka for mind, Rahu when eclipsing moon creates lot of phobias and unfound fears.) > 5.. Saturn and Rahu both have been allotted the dasha periods by sage parashara 19 and 18 years respectively. ( may be a logic behind it - none is satisfactorily give the logic for allottment of dasha periods among the planets.). > 6.. During the Dasha period of saturn and Rahu a native is being brought to the right path - he is put under rigirous test in all his walk of life and the native remembers the Almighty. > 7.. Saturn and Rahu both represent seperativeness. > 8.. Saturn and Rahu both represent nerves. > Like wise > > 1.. Mars and Ketu enjoys the Dasha period of 7 years. > 2.. Mars and Ketu represents firey nature in common. > 3.. Mars and Ketu both are natural malefics. > 4.. During their Dasha periods native is prone to injuries. > 5.. Mars and Ketu both posited in 5th house they tend to deny progeny subject to other influence on them. > Kindly ponder over my logic and correct me wherever my concept is wrong. > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > -- ---------- > > Send FREE video emails in Mail. > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist-@e... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Dear Deepak In the UK there is ahead of state the Queen and Prime Minister . Nicholas - "cupofmagic" <cupofmagic <gjlist> Saturday, January 12, 2002 5:02 AM Re: [GJ] Shani Vat Rahu Kuja Vat Ketu > I dont agree to your Logic. > Can there be a King to one Territory or one President to a Country? > Apart from what discussion is going on. > Can someone give an Example, illustrating how Rahu has effects of > Aquarius and Ketu has effects like Scorpio. > I think that will be a nice discussion. > > Thanks > Deepak > > > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote: > > Dear Ravindramani > > You have identified some similarities between Saturn and Rahu or > Mars and Ketu but Wendy has identified some clear differences also . > I do not think your points negate Wendys . Mars rules both Scorpio > and Aries though they are vastly different signs . So if a planet can > rule 2 vastly different signs why cannot a sign have 2 different > rulers . > > After all an individual can have one boss at work and another at > home : - ) > > More food for thought > > Nicholas > > - > > ravindramani > > gjlist > > Friday, January 11, 2002 3:42 PM > > Re: [GJ] Shani Vat Rahu Kuja Vat Ketu > > > > > > > > Wendy Vasicek <wenvas@d...> wrote: > > > > > > The question must be asked, surely; "what is implied by this > statement"... > > The nature of Saturn is introverted, penantive, slow, > restrictive, cautious etc., whereas the nature of Rahu is > extroverted, hedonistic, compulsive etc. So where can we see in the > chart that Rahu gives results like Saturn. The "like" results > obviously do not come from their nature. > > However, as co-ruler of Aquarius, Rahu will certainly give > results like Saturn as he carries the same characteristics through > lordship. > > > > C.S. Ravindramani writes: 11-2-2002 1000 hrs IST > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, This is really a very good food for thought! > > > > Saturn and Rahu can give the "like" results obviously from their > nature also. As i understand the Hindu astrology and my logic goes > as follows: > > 1.. Saturn and Rahu both are natural malefics. > > 2.. Saturn and Rahu both treat Mercury as their natural friends > and when they are posited in Mercurian signs they give favourable > results to the native in respect of their natural indications subject > to other influences on them. > > 3.. Saturn and Rahu both are slow moving planets in the zodiac. > Hence they give their results slowly but their results are felt by > the native for a longer period and in greater intensity (say for > example if they give diseases - they are chronic in nature and at > times incurable if they be posited in 8th.) > > 4.. Saturn and Rahu both represent darkness - they are black in > colour - opposed to light - creates fear in the mind of the native - > (say for example if they influnce moon the karaka for mind, Rahu when > eclipsing moon creates lot of phobias and unfound fears.) > > 5.. Saturn and Rahu both have been allotted the dasha periods > by sage parashara 19 and 18 years respectively. ( may be a logic > behind it - none is satisfactorily give the logic for allottment of > dasha periods among the planets.). > > 6.. During the Dasha period of saturn and Rahu a native is > being brought to the right path - he is put under rigirous test in > all his walk of life and the native remembers the Almighty. > > 7.. Saturn and Rahu both represent seperativeness. > > 8.. Saturn and Rahu both represent nerves. > > Like wise > > > > 1.. Mars and Ketu enjoys the Dasha period of 7 years. > > 2.. Mars and Ketu represents firey nature in common. > > 3.. Mars and Ketu both are natural malefics. > > 4.. During their Dasha periods native is prone to injuries. > > 5.. Mars and Ketu both posited in 5th house they tend to deny > progeny subject to other influence on them. > > Kindly ponder over my logic and correct me wherever my concept is > wrong. > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ---------- > > > > Send FREE video emails in Mail. > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Hi Nicolas! I was just illustrating an example. My Real Question is: Can someone illustrate an Example, how Rahu has effects of Aquarius and Ketu has effects like Scorpio? Thats all I need to know. Thanks -Deepak gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote: > Dear Deepak > In the UK there is ahead of state the Queen and Prime Minister . > Nicholas > - > "cupofmagic" <cupofmagic> > <gjlist> > Saturday, January 12, 2002 5:02 AM > Re: [GJ] Shani Vat Rahu Kuja Vat Ketu > > > > I dont agree to your Logic. > > Can there be a King to one Territory or one President to a Country? > > Apart from what discussion is going on. > > Can someone give an Example, illustrating how Rahu has effects of > > Aquarius and Ketu has effects like Scorpio. > > I think that will be a nice discussion. > > > > Thanks > > Deepak > > > > > > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote: > > > Dear Ravindramani > > > You have identified some similarities between Saturn and Rahu or > > Mars and Ketu but Wendy has identified some clear differences also . > > I do not think your points negate Wendys . Mars rules both Scorpio > > and Aries though they are vastly different signs . So if a planet can > > rule 2 vastly different signs why cannot a sign have 2 different > > rulers . > > > After all an individual can have one boss at work and another at > > home : - ) > > > More food for thought > > > Nicholas > > > - > > > ravindramani > > > gjlist > > > Friday, January 11, 2002 3:42 PM > > > Re: [GJ] Shani Vat Rahu Kuja Vat Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > Wendy Vasicek <wenvas@d...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The question must be asked, surely; "what is implied by this > > statement"... > > > The nature of Saturn is introverted, penantive, slow, > > restrictive, cautious etc., whereas the nature of Rahu is > > extroverted, hedonistic, compulsive etc. So where can we see in the > > chart that Rahu gives results like Saturn. The "like" results > > obviously do not come from their nature. > > > However, as co-ruler of Aquarius, Rahu will certainly give > > results like Saturn as he carries the same characteristics through > > lordship. > > > > > > C.S. Ravindramani writes: 11-2-2002 1000 hrs IST > > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, This is really a very good food for thought! > > > > > > Saturn and Rahu can give the "like" results obviously from their > > nature also. As i understand the Hindu astrology and my logic goes > > as follows: > > > 1.. Saturn and Rahu both are natural malefics. > > > 2.. Saturn and Rahu both treat Mercury as their natural friends > > and when they are posited in Mercurian signs they give favourable > > results to the native in respect of their natural indications subject > > to other influences on them. > > > 3.. Saturn and Rahu both are slow moving planets in the zodiac. > > Hence they give their results slowly but their results are felt by > > the native for a longer period and in greater intensity (say for > > example if they give diseases - they are chronic in nature and at > > times incurable if they be posited in 8th.) > > > 4.. Saturn and Rahu both represent darkness - they are black in > > colour - opposed to light - creates fear in the mind of the native - > > (say for example if they influnce moon the karaka for mind, Rahu when > > eclipsing moon creates lot of phobias and unfound fears.) > > > 5.. Saturn and Rahu both have been allotted the dasha periods > > by sage parashara 19 and 18 years respectively. ( may be a logic > > behind it - none is satisfactorily give the logic for allottment of > > dasha periods among the planets.). > > > 6.. During the Dasha period of saturn and Rahu a native is > > being brought to the right path - he is put under rigirous test in > > all his walk of life and the native remembers the Almighty. > > > 7.. Saturn and Rahu both represent seperativeness. > > > 8.. Saturn and Rahu both represent nerves. > > > Like wise > > > > > > 1.. Mars and Ketu enjoys the Dasha period of 7 years. > > > 2.. Mars and Ketu represents firey nature in common. > > > 3.. Mars and Ketu both are natural malefics. > > > 4.. During their Dasha periods native is prone to injuries. > > > 5.. Mars and Ketu both posited in 5th house they tend to deny > > progeny subject to other influence on them. > > > Kindly ponder over my logic and correct me wherever my concept is > > wrong. > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- ---- > > ---------- > > > > > > Send FREE video emails in Mail. > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Dear Deepak, I hope Pundit Nicholas does not mind me butting in with my uneducated opinion. I have always thought of it like this - Scorpio is the secretive 8th [Mystery/Death] sign of the Zodiac, which fits well with some of Ketu's qualities. Rahu on the other hand is materialistic and more open, and this corresponds with the 11th Sign (Aquarius) qualities of [income/Desires/Gains]. I know this isn't quite what you were after, but hope it adds to the mix. What are the ingredients for a Cup of Magic? Sateesh. ======== - "cupofmagic" <cupofmagic <gjlist> 11 January 2002 19:04 Re: [GJ] Shani Vat Rahu Kuja Vat Ketu : Hi Nicolas! : I was just illustrating an example. : My Real Question is: : Can someone illustrate an Example, how Rahu has effects of : Aquarius and Ketu has effects like Scorpio? : Thats all I need to know. : Thanks : -Deepak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Hi Sateesh! [You Wrote] > Scorpio is the secretive 8th [Mystery/Death] sign of the Zodiac, which fits > well with some of Ketu's qualities. [Me] So how does Mars fit into the Lordship of Scorpio. Also, 8th house is the house of Life and thus the death is governed. And Ketu is not always a MokshaKarka. It is more pronounced when it gets related to the 12th house/Lord in Rasi/Navamsa. Its conjunction with Mars/Saturn in the 8th house causes Accidents. > > Rahu on the other hand is materialistic and more open, and this corresponds > with the 11th Sign (Aquarius) qualities of [income/Desires/Gains]. And Rahu also gives Confusion and Choas in Mind. Its also creates an mystery for other people about what u excatly want. And I haven't seen that if Rahu is in the 5th house for Aries Asc. that it gives Gains from Children unless lots of other factors are Strong. [Me] If thats whay u are looking at: Then Can u Explain me, Why Saturn also rules the 10th,11th sign of the Zodiac. And Why Mars rules the 1st,8th sign of the Zodiac. Or why other planets rule certain signs in the Zodiac? I am looking for some illustration? And some classical Backing on the same. Also, what do u mean by: What are the ingredients for a Cup of Magic? Thanks You have a Nice Day Deepak gjlist, "Sateesh Batas" <makara@n...> wrote: > Dear Deepak, > > I hope Pundit Nicholas does not mind me butting in with my uneducated > opinion. > > I have always thought of it like this - > > Scorpio is the secretive 8th [Mystery/Death] sign of the Zodiac, which fits > well with some of Ketu's qualities. > > Rahu on the other hand is materialistic and more open, and this corresponds > with the 11th Sign (Aquarius) qualities of [income/Desires/Gains]. > > I know this isn't quite what you were after, but hope it adds to the mix. > > What are the ingredients for a Cup of Magic? > > Sateesh. > > ======== > > - > "cupofmagic" <cupofmagic> > <gjlist> > 11 January 2002 19:04 > Re: [GJ] Shani Vat Rahu Kuja Vat Ketu > > > : Hi Nicolas! > > : I was just illustrating an example. > > : My Real Question is: > > : Can someone illustrate an Example, how Rahu has effects of > : Aquarius and Ketu has effects like Scorpio? > : Thats all I need to know. > : Thanks > : -Deepak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Dear Deepak, Ok, I'll end on this reply as I don't want to stick my neck out too far on classical principles. My replies are below. - "cupofmagic" <cupofmagic <gjlist> 11 January 2002 19:35 Re: [GJ] Shani Vat Rahu Kuja Vat Ketu : [Me] : So how does Mars fit into the Lordship of Scorpio. : Also, 8th house is the house of Life and thus the death is governed. : And Ketu is not always a MokshaKarka. It is more pronounced when it : gets related to the 12th house/Lord in Rasi/Navamsa. Its conjunction : with Mars/Saturn in the 8th house causes Accidents. I agree with the 12th similarity of Ketu. All I was doing was like you seeing how the statements of dual-Lordship *may* have come about - so please do not take my definitons as Gospel. : And Rahu also gives Confusion and Choas in Mind. Its also creates an : mystery for other people about what u excatly want. And I haven't : seen that if Rahu is in the 5th house for Aries Asc. that it gives : Gains from Children unless lots of other factors are Strong. That goes without saying for any planet - Dispositor etc. must be strong - I was trying to give a general response, not one based on a specific House for a specific Lagna. Every chart varies in the Strength/Detriment of the Nodes within it. : If thats whay u are looking at: : Then Can u Explain me, : Why Saturn also rules the 10th,11th sign of the Zodiac. : And Why Mars rules the 1st,8th sign of the Zodiac. : Or why other planets rule certain signs in the Zodiac? : I am looking for some illustration? : And some classical Backing on the same. I have heard that once upon a time, the Sun and Moon owned 6 signs each - I think it was Mercury who came up to Sun and asked for a Sign - crafty Mercury then went to Moon - each of the other planets did this, and in the end Sun and Moon were left with only one sign each - Leo and Cancer. Mercury got each of the Signs which lie either side of Leo and Cancer - i.e. Virgo and Gemini - because he is the youngest and quickest to get there. Poor old Saturn who limps took ages to get there, and only Aquarius and Capricorn were left which are the furthest signs from Leo and Cancer. : Also, what do u mean by: : What are the ingredients for a Cup of Magic? Just some Mercury humour. Sateesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Dear Deepak, I am a student, but I am very interested in Ketu at the moment because of the dramatic events that have occured to me over the past few months of my ketu period. It is descriptive, but how about major surgery, loss of top position, harassment, unemployment, going overseas to be in the company of Tibetan lama, etc. All in the space of a few months. In my rasi chart I have Mo placed in my fourth house, and Ketu in second house. I am currently in the last stretch of Venus period in sub-period of Ketu. This is due to end on 5/03/ this year when I move into my lagna's major period of the Sun. Rahu retrograde is placed in my 8th house. I hope I got all the terminology right. Is that of any interest? Kind regards, Robyn - "cupofmagic" <cupofmagic <gjlist> Friday, January 11, 2002 9:04 PM Re: [GJ] Shani Vat Rahu Kuja Vat Ketu > Hi Nicolas! > I was just illustrating an example. > My Real Question is: > Can someone illustrate an Example, how Rahu has effects of > Aquarius and Ketu has effects like Scorpio? > Thats all I need to know. > Thanks > -Deepak > > > > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote: > > Dear Deepak > > In the UK there is ahead of state the Queen and Prime Minister . > > Nicholas > > - > > "cupofmagic" <cupofmagic> > > <gjlist> > > Saturday, January 12, 2002 5:02 AM > > Re: [GJ] Shani Vat Rahu Kuja Vat Ketu > > > > > > > I dont agree to your Logic. > > > Can there be a King to one Territory or one President to a > Country? > > > Apart from what discussion is going on. > > > Can someone give an Example, illustrating how Rahu has effects of > > > Aquarius and Ketu has effects like Scorpio. > > > I think that will be a nice discussion. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Deepak > > > > > > > > > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote: > > > > Dear Ravindramani > > > > You have identified some similarities between Saturn and Rahu or > > > Mars and Ketu but Wendy has identified some clear differences > also . > > > I do not think your points negate Wendys . Mars rules both Scorpio > > > and Aries though they are vastly different signs . So if a planet > can > > > rule 2 vastly different signs why cannot a sign have 2 different > > > rulers . > > > > After all an individual can have one boss at work and another at > > > home : - ) > > > > More food for thought > > > > Nicholas > > > > - > > > > ravindramani > > > > gjlist > > > > Friday, January 11, 2002 3:42 PM > > > > Re: [GJ] Shani Vat Rahu Kuja Vat Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wendy Vasicek <wenvas@d...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The question must be asked, surely; "what is implied by this > > > statement"... > > > > The nature of Saturn is introverted, penantive, slow, > > > restrictive, cautious etc., whereas the nature of Rahu is > > > extroverted, hedonistic, compulsive etc. So where can we see in > the > > > chart that Rahu gives results like Saturn. The "like" results > > > obviously do not come from their nature. > > > > However, as co-ruler of Aquarius, Rahu will certainly give > > > results like Saturn as he carries the same characteristics through > > > lordship. > > > > > > > > C.S. Ravindramani writes: 11-2-2002 1000 hrs IST > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, This is really a very good food for thought! > > > > > > > > Saturn and Rahu can give the "like" results obviously from > their > > > nature also. As i understand the Hindu astrology and my logic > goes > > > as follows: > > > > 1.. Saturn and Rahu both are natural malefics. > > > > 2.. Saturn and Rahu both treat Mercury as their natural > friends > > > and when they are posited in Mercurian signs they give favourable > > > results to the native in respect of their natural indications > subject > > > to other influences on them. > > > > 3.. Saturn and Rahu both are slow moving planets in the > zodiac. > > > Hence they give their results slowly but their results are felt by > > > the native for a longer period and in greater intensity (say for > > > example if they give diseases - they are chronic in nature and at > > > times incurable if they be posited in 8th.) > > > > 4.. Saturn and Rahu both represent darkness - they are > black in > > > colour - opposed to light - creates fear in the mind of the > native - > > > (say for example if they influnce moon the karaka for mind, Rahu > when > > > eclipsing moon creates lot of phobias and unfound fears.) > > > > 5.. Saturn and Rahu both have been allotted the dasha > periods > > > by sage parashara 19 and 18 years respectively. ( may be a logic > > > behind it - none is satisfactorily give the logic for allottment > of > > > dasha periods among the planets.). > > > > 6.. During the Dasha period of saturn and Rahu a native is > > > being brought to the right path - he is put under rigirous test in > > > all his walk of life and the native remembers the Almighty. > > > > 7.. Saturn and Rahu both represent seperativeness. > > > > 8.. Saturn and Rahu both represent nerves. > > > > Like wise > > > > > > > > 1.. Mars and Ketu enjoys the Dasha period of 7 years. > > > > 2.. Mars and Ketu represents firey nature in common. > > > > 3.. Mars and Ketu both are natural malefics. > > > > 4.. During their Dasha periods native is prone to injuries. > > > > 5.. Mars and Ketu both posited in 5th house they tend to > deny > > > progeny subject to other influence on them. > > > > Kindly ponder over my logic and correct me wherever my > concept is > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. 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Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Dear Deepak, If you bear with me I think I can give you several examples. These are natives with Rahu in kendras...it's stated that Rahu in a kendra often brings major life changes. The first native (Cancer rising) has Rahu in 10th house of "Father". His life was dramatically changed when his father was killed in a vehicle accident and he (himself) was badly injured. He was in a SA mahadasa...Aquarius owns 8th house of accidents...RA in 10th, SA in lagna (SA is aspected by divine planet Jupiter, Rahu is not so blessed)...Shani Vat Rahu! The second native (Capricorn rising) has Rahu in 7th. (conj 12th lord) This native's "Family" life was dramatically changed (twice)...once by adoption, once by divorce...Aquarius owns 2nd house of family. The native was in a RA mahadasa and SA occupies 6th...Shani Vat Rahu! The 3rd native (Capricorn rising) has Rahu in 10th. This native's life (status) changed dramatically when she was reunited with her lost "family" (younger siblings and father). Aquarius owns 2nd house of family. The native was in a Rahu mahadasa (10th) and SA occupies 3rd...Shani Vat Rahu! I think when we see major events attributed to Rahu, they will invariably be connected with Saturn and his moolatrikona house (Aquarius). Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I dont agree to your Logic.Can there be a King to one Territory or one President to a Country?Apart from what discussion is going on.Can someone give an Example, illustrating how Rahu has effects of Aquarius and Ketu has effects like Scorpio.I think that will be a nice discussion.ThanksDeepak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Dear Wendy, Thanks for the Explanation. Dont take me wrong but I wont beleive that Rahu owns Aquarius and Ketu owns Scorpio. Firstly, Because Rahu and Ketu are nodal points formed by the Planes of Sun and Moon (where they meet). And they actually dont have any mass and thus are shadowy planets. Secondly, Owning a house is such a big thing that it should have been mentioned atleast somewhere in the Shastras. And still I haven't got the Classical backing. Also, [u Wrote] > a.. The first native (Cancer rising) has Rahu in 10th house of "Father". His life was dramatically changed when his father was killed in a vehicle accident and he (himself) was badly injured. He was in a SA mahadasa...Aquarius owns 8th house of accidents...RA in 10th, SA in lagna (SA is aspected by divine planet Jupiter, Rahu is not so blessed)...Shani Vat Rahu! [Me] Here as u said Saturn is in Lagna and so he aspects the 10th house where Rahu is also posited. Now since you said, it was Saturn's Dasa when things happened to his father. I take 9th house for father, So Rahu is basically in the 2nd house(Maraka)of Father aspected by Saturn who also rules the 6th house from the 9th house. Also, apart from this we need to Examine the Navamsa in detail along with D-12 to find out how those events impacted the native. [YOU] > b.. The second native (Capricorn rising) has Rahu in 7th. (conj 12th lord) This native's "Family" life was dramatically changed (twice)...once by adoption, once by divorce...Aquarius owns 2nd house of family. The native was in a RA mahadasa and SA occupies 6th...Shani Vat Rahu! [Me] Its not clear how his life changed bacuse of Rahu by adoption. Divorce can be attributed to Rahu/Ketu axis in 1st/7th. And Relationship of Saturn/Rahu is 2/12. So in its dasa it will influence family as the 7th and the Lagna,2nd gets invloved. Here the position of Moon has to be looked, with Venus. Also, Navamsa is important aspect to be seen. [YOU] > c.. The 3rd native (Capricorn rising) has Rahu in 10th. This native's life (status) changed dramatically when she was reunited with her lost "family" (younger siblings and father). Aquarius owns 2nd house of family. The native was in a Rahu mahadasa (10th) and SA occupies 3rd...Shani Vat Rahu! > I think when we see major events attributed to Rahu, they will invariably be connected with Saturn and his moolatrikona house (Aquarius). > [Me] Here just by looking at Rahu and Saturn, we cannot conclude the native's life change attributed to lordship of Rahu of Aquarius. But I do agree that Rahu was invariably connected to Saturn in the above charts. Thanks Deepak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2002 Report Share Posted January 12, 2002 Om Sri Krsnaaya Namah Hi Deepak, >>Secondly, Owning a house is such a big thing that it should have been mentioned atleast somewhere in the Shastras. And still I haven't got the Classical backing.<< I was deliberately avoiding this topic, as it has been discussed in the past and became quite a hot topic. So I won't go any further on this matter as far as my own opinions on this is concerned. But as you have requested Shastric information on this matter on a number of occasions, here are two quotes from Parashara Muni on this matter: "Scorpio is lorded by two planets, Mars and Ketu, while Aquarius is ruled by Saturn and Rahu. O Brahmana, this must be borne in mind." (Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra 46:157) "If a planet owns two signs or a sign is owned by two planets..." (BPHS 29:7) The second shloka does not specifically mention the nodes but as explained in the first quote, it is Scorpio and Aquarius that Parashara Rishi is referring to when discussing signs owned by two planets. Hope this helps somewhat, Pursottam _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2002 Report Share Posted January 12, 2002 Hi Pursottam! I know its a hot topic, believe me. Well, I read BPHS. [You Wrote] > "If a planet owns two signs or a sign is owned by two planets..." (BPHS > 29:7) In this instance Parashara Muni is talking about Bhava Pada's, which are refered in Jaimini Astrology Also, In the other instance Parashar Muni is talking about Chara Dasa. And in Char Dasa, Rahu is considered for Aquarius. But thats a different aspect. And do u also mean to say that Parashar Muni couldn't write that line when he was writing about the Lordship of other Rasi's. If you look at Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram, Ch2-Shloka 13 , you will find that it is clearly stated that Mars is the ruler of Scorpio. If you go further down you will also find the same for Saturn. And dont you think Parashar Muni could have written it here. Also, If you look at Phaladeepika in the Rasi Adhyaya, you shall find the same info. Also, In Chapter 1, Shloka 11, in Sarwartha Chintamani, it clearly says that Lorship of Planets with Saturn ruling Aquarius and Mars ruling Scorpio. So my question is if you look at all these different books, Even one author has said the same about what you are saying UNLESS they are talking of Jaimini Astrology. What are others views? I guess its just the Astrologers way of looking at it. But as far as I am concerned, I have been reading Astrology Magazine since Feb'94 and I haven't seen anything article saying that Ketu rules Scorpio and Saturn rules Aquarius UNLESS talking about Jamini Astrology. One more important point, Even look at Shadbala, If Rahu would have ruled Aquarius , it would have been included in calculating the strength of the Planets and Houses. Thanks Deepak gjlist, "Pursottam" <pursottam_dabasia> wrote: > Om Sri Krsnaaya Namah > > Hi Deepak, > > >>Secondly, Owning a house is such a big thing that it should have been > mentioned atleast somewhere in the Shastras. And still I haven't got > the Classical backing.<< > > I was deliberately avoiding this topic, as it has been discussed in the past > and became quite a hot topic. So I won't go any further on this matter as > far as my own opinions on this is concerned. But as you have requested > Shastric information on this matter on a number of occasions, here are two > quotes from Parashara Muni on this matter: > > "Scorpio is lorded by two planets, Mars and Ketu, while Aquarius is ruled by > Saturn and Rahu. O Brahmana, this must be borne in mind." (Brihat Parashara > Hora Shastra 46:157) > > "If a planet owns two signs or a sign is owned by two planets..." (BPHS > 29:7) > > The second shloka does not specifically mention the nodes but as explained > in the first quote, it is Scorpio and Aquarius that Parashara Rishi is > referring to when discussing signs owned by two planets. > > Hope this helps somewhat, > > Pursottam > > > > _______ > > Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 Om Sri Krsnaaya Namah Hi Deepak, Thanks for your reply. As I said, this topic became quite fiery last time it was discussed and since the direction it seems to be taking is going exactly as it did last time, I'd prefer to avoid it. The only intention behind my last post was to provide shastric information from somewhere because you had stated you had not seen it in any classic. I didn't want to discuss the uses of it, as that's where the whole debate sparked off. It would probably be much better for each individual interested in the matter to take a hundred charts and see how it plays out and make a decision of their own rather than for me to cause major arguments. But, the only additional point I would make is that I personally do not believe that "Jaimini astrology" is a completely separate system unrelated to Parashari astrology. This is for a number of reasons. First and foremost, almost all the topics covered in Jaimini's Sutras are covered also in the BPHS, sometimes in even greater detail. The argument may be made that the relevant chapters were later incorporated into the text, but I find this difficult to accept for the reason that there are also many individual shlokas which seem to be "Jaimini techniques" that are found in what are typically Parashari chapters e.g. the Raja Yoga Adhyaya. The idea that a devious, scheming astrologer injected these verses throughout the text so systematically does not seem feasible to me. Also, we have to consider that as per the Itihasas Maharshi Jaimini was a disciple of Sri Veda Vyasa, the son of Parashara Muni. As Vedic knowledge (both material and spiritual) is generally transferred through a Guru-Sishya Parampara, it seems as if Jaimini would have actually learnt all the stuff Parashara taught. Thirdly, we must bear in mind that Jaimini calls his sutras "Upadesha" and therefore himself admits that they are not complete and they are more complementary in nature. If we read the BPHS and and the Jaimini Sutras and compare them, it seems very likely that the Jaimini Sutras are in fact simply an elaboration on certain sections of the BPHS that are less clear. Finally, if you read the Jaimini Sutras, it is highly unlikely that you could come up with a complete system of astrology from it, as it doesn't deal with all the basics of signs, houses, planets and their characteristics and their signs of strength and weakness etc. despite the fact that these points are later referred to in the text. So some prior knowledge of jyotish is essential in the study of the Sutras and this again seems to confirm that Jaimini did not intend to rebel and set out a new system of astrology of his own. Rather, he clarified concepts of Parashari astrology that became distorted over time, and intended to put things straight as he learnt them from his Guru Veda Vyasa, the Son of Maharshi Parashara. Sorry to go on so long, Pursottam P.S. This is my last mail on this matter, so please don't feel offended if I don't reply back :-) _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 Dear Deepak, I think the greatest problem is the way each is looking at this concept :-) I've said before, during this discussion, that I do not believe the Nodes ever supersede the lordship of Saturn and Mars. You're right to say that Saturn and Mars are the owners of Aquarius and Scorpio...I don't contest that notion at all! However, imagine for a moment that, according to the rules of (any) land, the husband was the only one able to own the family home. It would always be his home and that could never be challenged. But the wife living there would also feel and act as though she were "in her own home". All of her activities (as also the husband's) would be from that platform, from the environment of the home they both share...Shani Vat Rahu (Rahu Vat Shani). This (Shani Vat Rahu) characteristic is firmly stated in BPHS, and I see that Kalidas (according to L.R. Chawdhri) also assigns Rahu to Aquarius and Ketu to Scorpio. I'm not trying to bulldoze you with this Deepak, just asking you to look at it with an open mind, and to study the effects in as many charts as you can. Just my thoughts Deepak :-) Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 Thanks Pursottam! Its a fiery topic. Lets leave it to Astrologers to experience as to what they want to talk about it. As you were telling the history of Jyotisha, I also know the same. And did you know Jaimini Shastram has 4 more adhyaya, which are missing and are no longer known to anyone. And it was a seperate system derived from BPHS. And the thing I was telling is that if you look at how the planetary strengths are calculated for the Bhavas/Planets nowhere it is seem to use Rahu to calculate the strength of Aquarius and similiarly for KEtu. So the conclusion is left to the Astrologers to use what they think is correct. And sorry for causing you trouble to form a debate on this. I thought we can learn more by these intellectual debates like how you described your views. Thanks Deepak gjlist, "Pursottam" <pursottam_dabasia> wrote: > Om Sri Krsnaaya Namah > > Hi Deepak, > > Thanks for your reply. As I said, this topic became quite fiery last time it > was discussed and since the direction it seems to be taking is going exactly > as it did last time, I'd prefer to avoid it. The only intention behind my > last post was to provide shastric information from somewhere because you had > stated you had not seen it in any classic. I didn't want to discuss the uses > of it, as that's where the whole debate sparked off. It would probably be > much better for each individual interested in the matter to take a hundred > charts and see how it plays out and make a decision of their own rather than > for me to cause major arguments. But, the only additional point I would make > is that I personally do not believe that "Jaimini astrology" is a completely > separate system unrelated to Parashari astrology. This is for a number of > reasons. First and foremost, almost all the topics covered in Jaimini's > Sutras are covered also in the BPHS, sometimes in even greater detail. The > argument may be made that the relevant chapters were later incorporated into > the text, but I find this difficult to accept for the reason that there are > also many individual shlokas which seem to be "Jaimini techniques" that are > found in what are typically Parashari chapters e.g. the Raja Yoga Adhyaya. > The idea that a devious, scheming astrologer injected these verses > throughout the text so systematically does not seem feasible to me. > > Also, we have to consider that as per the Itihasas Maharshi Jaimini was a > disciple of Sri Veda Vyasa, the son of Parashara Muni. As Vedic knowledge > (both material and spiritual) is generally transferred through a Guru-Sishya > Parampara, it seems as if Jaimini would have actually learnt all the stuff > Parashara taught. Thirdly, we must bear in mind that Jaimini calls his > sutras "Upadesha" and therefore himself admits that they are not complete > and they are more complementary in nature. If we read the BPHS and and the > Jaimini Sutras and compare them, it seems very likely that the Jaimini > Sutras are in fact simply an elaboration on certain sections of the BPHS > that are less clear. Finally, if you read the Jaimini Sutras, it is highly > unlikely that you could come up with a complete system of astrology from it, > as it doesn't deal with all the basics of signs, houses, planets and their > characteristics and their signs of strength and weakness etc. despite the > fact that these points are later referred to in the text. So some prior > knowledge of jyotish is essential in the study of the Sutras and this again > seems to confirm that Jaimini did not intend to rebel and set out a new > system of astrology of his own. Rather, he clarified concepts of Parashari > astrology that became distorted over time, and intended to put things > straight as he learnt them from his Guru Veda Vyasa, the Son of Maharshi > Parashara. > > Sorry to go on so long, > > Pursottam > > P.S. This is my last mail on this matter, so please don't feel offended if I > don't reply back :-) > > > > _______ > > Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 Thanks Wendy for sharing the info. I shall try to read the chart as per what u have said. And it is interesting to know the views of all the AStrologers on this topic. Thanks to all, Deepak gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@d...> wrote: > Dear Deepak, > I think the greatest problem is the way each is looking at this concept :-) > I've said before, during this discussion, that I do not believe the Nodes ever supersede the lordship of Saturn and Mars. You're right to say that Saturn and Mars are the owners of Aquarius and Scorpio...I don't contest that notion at all! > > However, imagine for a moment that, according to the rules of (any) land, the husband was the only one able to own the family home. It would always be his home and that could never be challenged. But the wife living there would also feel and act as though she were "in her own home". > All of her activities (as also the husband's) would be from that platform, from the environment of the home they both share...Shani Vat Rahu (Rahu Vat Shani). > > This (Shani Vat Rahu) characteristic is firmly stated in BPHS, and I see that Kalidas (according to L.R. Chawdhri) also assigns Rahu to Aquarius and Ketu to Scorpio. > > I'm not trying to bulldoze you with this Deepak, just asking you to look at it with an open mind, and to study the effects in as many charts as you can. > > Just my thoughts Deepak :-) > > Best Wishes, > Wendy > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologer > http://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/ > JyotishVidya > wenvas@d... > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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