Guest guest Posted January 19, 2002 Report Share Posted January 19, 2002 Dear Dr Satya you wrote <<Of course this conflicts Einstein's theory of General Relativity,that the structure of space-time is smooth and continuous. God doesn't play dice! I can almost hear Jung asserting, "Maybe he does. But we don't know by what rules"! >> me I saw Jung the other day in an intreview on TV and the great man said that he did not like people "asssuming" things for him. you <<Jung had succeeded in proving (?) that " A secret, mutual connivance exists between the material and the psychic state of the astrologer.>> me Yes. you <<Jung had succeeded in proving (?) that " A secret, mutual connivance exists between the material and the psychic state of the astrologer. This correspondence is simply there like any other agreeable or annoying incident, and it seems to me doubtful whether it can be proved scientifically to be anything more than that." >> me I think that it can be proved scientifically, provided that science finds the proper tools to do that. you <<"Synchronicity takes the coincidence of events in space and time as meaning something more than mere chance, namely, a peculiar interdependence of objective events among themselves as well as with the subjective (psychic) states of the observer or observers.">> me Messages are always in front of us, but unfortunately, we are not educated to read them. you <<The coming decade will see this happening. Quantum physics has already opened a dialogue with other arts and sciences. Art, philosophy, poetry, physics, psychology, medicine and astrology will soon merge into the One vast Source. >> me >From the Vedas (which are considered by many to be the oldest knowledge in humanity), Krishna or God, says that He is the origen of everything. Why waste time in researching other methods when the Vedas give already the answer?you <<while some western astrologers look down upon predicting as fortune telling". >> you For this we have to study the intimidation, supression and authoritarian behaviour which was imposed to western astrology by the ruling class for the past 2,000 years. The term "fortune telling" was another conditionment dictated by them, the rulers. you <<I feel that the primary purpose of astrology is not fortune telling, but an exploration of consciousness, a journey into the psyche, into the unconscious forces which stem from the past vasanas and samskaras, into the shadow (a term used by Carl Jung which comes close to the tantric papa purusha), into the universe that we have within us, into the conflict between the opposing forces and the process of attaining equilibrium. >> me What is consciousness for you? As i said before, fortune telling are like a label imposed on sensitive people capable of reading past, present and future trends. Only fakers are fortune tellers. you <<Don't the ancient texts promise that anyone who studies and teaches astrology is assured of final liberation (Moksha)? Perhaps that is the final goal of a supra science like astrology. >> me The Vedas promise moksha to everyone. Eventually, today or some time in the tomorrow, everyone will achieve it. The final goal of any art and science is to serve the Lord, the origen of everything, with love and devotion. Best wishes Natabara Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2002 Report Share Posted January 20, 2002 Aum Namah Shivaya! Dear Natabara, > you wrote > <<Of course this conflicts Einstein's theory of > General Relativity,that the structure of space-time is smooth and continuous. God doesn't play dice! I can almost hear Jung asserting, "Maybe he does. But we don't know by what rules"! >> > > me > I saw Jung the other day in an intreview on TV and the great man said that he did not like people "asssuming" things for him. I haven't "assumed" things for Jung. I have quoted his own words. Often when you read an author a lot, you feel the words ringing. The words are his own. > > you > <<Jung had succeeded in proving (?) that " A secret, mutual connivance exists between the material and the psychic state of the astrologer.>> > > me > Yes. > > you > <<Jung had succeeded in proving (?) that " A secret, mutual connivance exists between the material and the psychic state of the astrologer. > > This correspondence is simply there like any other agreeable or annoying incident, and it seems to me doubtful whether it can be proved scientifically to be anything more than that." >> > > me > I think that it can be proved scientifically, provided that science finds the proper tools to do that. > > you > <<"Synchronicity takes the coincidence of events in space and time as meaning something more than mere chance, namely, a peculiar interdependence of objective events among themselves as well as with the subjective (psychic) states of the observer or observers.">> > > me > Messages are always in front of us, but unfortunately, we are not educated to read them. All the above sentences that you have written as mine, are Jung's observations. I have only quoted him with inverted commas. > > you > <<The coming decade will see this happening. Quantum physics has already opened a dialogue with other > arts and sciences. Art, philosophy, poetry, physics, psychology, medicine and astrology will soon merge into the One vast Source. >> > > me > From the Vedas (which are considered by many to be the oldest knowledge in humanity), Krishna or God, says that He is the origen of everything. Why waste time in researching other methods when the Vedas give already the answer? While I agree that God is the source of everything, and also on the supreme value of the Vedic body of knowledge, I dont think that it is a waste of time to research other methods. All paths lead to Him, and He is the force behind everything. It is his power and glory that works through the scientist, the philosopher, the artist, the poet and the saint. Of course, spiritual knowledge, or knowledge of God is the highest. Yet other systems like medicine, physics etc too are wonderful and should be pursued. Sadhana, to me doesn't imply a life to the exclusion of other things. Everything is a sadhana in itself. Whatever is done, should and can be done like a Yagna, as an offering to Him. Work, worship, studies, service, eating, everything can be a sadhana when done with the right attitude. While it is true that the Vedas have everything that is really needed, it is highly beneficial if one could show the parallels between modern science and ancient wisdom, for it can inspire other less inclined. God is behind both the sacred and the mundane, the worldly and the spiritual. > The Vedas promise moksha to everyone. Eventually, today or some time in the tomorrow, everyone will achieve it. Rightly said. "Each soul is potentially divine and the goal is to manifest it". One may do it by work, worship, meditation or the path of knowledge. Personally I like to balance bhakti (devotion)and self inquiry (knowledge). I guess that your preference is for the path of devotion (bhakti). All paths lead to Him. > The final goal of any art and science is to serve the Lord, the origen of everything, with love and devotion. I agree whole heartedly on this. BTW, I deliberately refrained from too much direct reference to any religious/philosophical or Indian terminology because the article was written as an editorial for a Journal (quarterly journal of the Australian Council of Vedic Astrology (OZCVA)) which is read mostly by people with no or little knowledge of Indian/Vedic thought. I didn't want to put off a beginner. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I always feel happy hearing/reading His devotee's words. What can be sweeter than His name and what better company than the company of His devotees? Everything merges into Him. All glories to the Supreme Lord. Best wishes, Satya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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