Smart arse coward savant

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Dear Guruji

I have simply questioned using Uranus etc. which is non-core .I don't mind

if they are used but those who use them cannot tell others to stick to the

basics . Nor if you use progressions can you claim to be keeping it simple

..If one wants to increase the complexity by using other dashas or

progressions what is the difference .

 

Also since when does attack on persons who use straight Parasara or convert

to Hinduism constitute sprited astrological debate .Also my opinion is

getting on a list and inviting others to go to your list to get BS free is

sniping at those persons like Robert who contribute to the list .It's a

cowardly attack because none of the regular list contributors have a chance

to defend themselves . You are Guruji because you are more advanced than me

in jyotish knowledge and I guess your anger is for everyone's betterment .

 

Smithy

 

 

 

 

 

Find me one statement, just one, in any ancient text on astrology where it

actually says NOT to use them. My teacher K.N Navaratnam has been involved

in Vedic Astrology before I and probably you were born. He insists that

anybody who simply totally ignores the outer planets is a damn fool. I have

also discussed this with other scholars and great astrologers like David

Frawley and Richard Houck who both also use the outer planets. My teacher

says if you practice astrology and actually read and study horoscopes for

long enough, you will never ever deny the influence of the outer planets. I

myself did a small study of many of the astrologers on these lists and it

was amazing how many had the assocation of Mercury with Uranus or Moon with

Uranus. I suppose you think that has no merit because Parasara didn't say

it. I'm afraid with your blinkered thinking astrology on these lists we

never get past "Parasara said this" or "Jaimini said that"

 

My only point was that this is a non core p

 

You state to Keep It Simple Stupid

>yet you use fancy progressions .

 

This is a silly statement, progressions are not fancy and make much more

sense than using large divisions of a chart like D40 or D60. Most birthtimes

are somewhat innacurate, so to divide a chart 40 or sixty times and think

you will get an accurate chart is wrong. What is the vimshottari but just a

progression of the Moon? I suggest I am in a stronger position to make

objective conclusions about these things than you. I have never seen your

name on this list before and have yet to see you make any realistic

conclusions of any chart. If you read many of my postings- especially the

ones on progressions- you will see I have given a clear example from the

chart of a public person. I am not asking you or anybody else to take my

word, the chart is there for you to see. The fact is, I don't even know why

I bother to post at all. All I get is either some religious zealot throwing

a quote from the Gita at me, or some Vedic Astrology fundamentalist who

cannot make his own judgement on anything without running to his copy of

Parasara Hora Shastra. Many people email in private saying they are so

confused after reading the messages on this group they want to give up in

despair. These are the people I post for. I am wasting far too much time

trying to explain myself to people like you who by your own admission are

just a beginner. I will be spending my time from now on doing my own private

research. The grenades I throw are meant to promote meaningful debate, not

rouse every axe grinder on the group. My teacher just called and asked me to

come over to his house to teach him how to calculate the tertiary

progressions on his computer. At 75 years of age and a lifetime of

involvment in traditional Vedic astrology he is still openminded enough to

experiment with these techniques. He was impressed with a number of events

we looked at in his life last week and wants to do more research tommorow.

It's a pity others don't follow his openmindedness.

 

 

On your list you don't tolerate sniping yet

>by your own admission you like to throw grenades on other lists and even

on

>your own list you take potshots at many, like Westerners who have

converted

>to Hinduism .

 

Personal sniping like you calling me Guru Andrewji, I am certainly not your

Guru or anybody elses either for that matter! There is a huge difference

between spirited debate on astrological technique and the sly disguised

attacks you see here on a daily basis. Maybe you think people reading this

list are fools and cannot see the sly attacks. Believe me they do! The sad

part is the people who make the attacks on others are the very people who

offer sweet fuck all in the way of meaningful astrological debate. There are

some very weak and slimy characters lurking here who have no astrology

ability and nothing to offer except cheap shots at others who at least try

to post something with meaning. It is a perverse form of spiritual snobbery

where they are offended at the writings of a perceived "spiritual inferior."

My teacher has been a Hindu for 75 years and even has a Hindu temple in his

house. The monks at the Kauii Adeenam are also devoted life long Hindus

also, but I am yet to see the dogmatic, closed minded, blind, Hindu

fundamentalism from them that I see from some of the Hindu converts here.

Most of the Indian Hindus on my groups are positive and openminded, I think

many of them are totally perplexed by the angry rhetoric that is spewed

towards others.

 

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>Learners like me find it hard to reconcile all these positions so please

>help

>Thanks in advance

>Smithy

 

My advice is to find out yourself what is right and what is wrong, I will

not be posting on this list again. I get sick of a negative spin being put

on every word I post. To speak to me in such a condescending manner as to

call me Guru Andrewji would get you a good smack in the mouth if you ever

had the guts to say it to me face to face. Fat chance of that though when

you can hide behind your computer. You would be better to attack me outright

rather than with sarcasm. It just shows your weak character.

 

I am sorry I needed to put up this on Das's group as I consider him a mate

and a gentleman.

 

Andrew

 

 

 

 

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>Well, now you're really confusing me! First you wrote this:

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>"I suggest the more tools you can usefully use well will give more ability

>to clarify a matter. "

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>Then, you wrote this:

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>" The more techniques you use the more chance you have of confusing

>yourself or finding an alternative answer. "

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>So, what actually is your position? Please clarify... Thanks!

>Robert

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