Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 Friends, Well, Jan 28th has come and gone, and not much has changed in the markets. There was a big drop on Tuesday, but it only amounted to 2.5% on the Dow Jones. No big deal really. Obviously, it's back to the drawing board for yours truly. However, after I went back to the drawing board I found the same configuration staring me in the face. So what went wrong? I think the hardest thing for me (or most astrologers?) to figure out are "triggers". These are usually transiting planets that set off the larger configuration of slow moving planets, progressions, and dashas. A native may enter a good dasha or bhuktie period, but when will the results of the good planet fructify? This problem is perhaps best thought of as a typical clock with 3 hands, for hours, minutes, and seconds and an alarm hand set for a certain time. The trigger is the "seconds" hand when it reaches a point where is pushes the other two slower-moving hands into "conjunction" with the alarm hand. Following Richard Houck, I thought that the ingress of Uranus into Aquarius on the 28th would do the trick. It had, after all, been the apparent trigger in its two previous ingresses. Not so this time, at least, not in an exact sense. Uranus has now moved to 00Aq25, still in the first degree, but now apparently lacking a trigger energy. I also wondered if transiting Mars aspecting the lunar eclipse point might be the trigger necessary to release the energy of the other planets. Again, nothing happened. The thing is, I *still* think the market is due for a big fall, most likely in the next two weeks, although other windows are possible. My problem now lies in correctly identifying the trigger that will set things in motion. Just to review my thinking on the two key charts, the Nasdaq and the Inauguration chart, I want to outline things as I see them. In the Nasdaq chart, one of the things that originally caught my eye was that the Rahu was in the first degree of Aquarius and Ketu was in the first degree of Leo. Moreover, the Nasdaq chart entered Ketu dasha in Oct 2001 and is still in Ketu-Ketu. Ketu-Venus starts Feb 27th. So you can see that the Uranus ingress/transit into that degree might figure prominently in a larger pattern. Transiting Ketu is also exactly trining its natal position now that it, too, has moved into the first degree of its sign. Tertiary progressed Asc squares progressed Pluto, and minor progressed Asc exactly opposes the Sun. That is potentially important because the Sun is dispositor of Ketu. In the Inauguration chart, one of the stark realities is that transiting Saturn is only one degree from the sripati 2nd cusp of wealth. By itself, I admit this isn't that big a deal. But another factor here is that Saturn stations on Feb 7 and this will increase it's power to do harm to the house it is transiting. Stations don't exert themselves in a precise way, but certainly the week either side of the station can be said to be more energized than it would otherwise be. Another factor in this chart that I missed earlier is that tertiary progressed Mercury itself stations this month. Houck has written that these progressed stations are far more important than transit stations and are often linked to larger events in the chart. The fact that the Inauguration chart is running Mecury dasha makes this progressed station that much more important. Moreover, it is presently at 6Aq55, in near exact square to 2nd house Jupiter, karaka of wealth, 7Ta26. And just to underline it again, this is a retrograde station, so it's more likely that there will be reversals in the affairs that Mercury influences. Another chart I've been researching is the chart for the NYSE itself. Although subject to some speculation owing to an uncertain "birth" time, I have tentatively selected May 17 1792 10.30 am LMT New York. This fits more or less well with the two most famous events in its history, the crashes of Oct 1929 and Oct 1987. I'll test it some more with other market events as I find them. It is currently running Sat-Merc. Sat is fallen in the 10H conj Venus and Mercury is retrograde in the 11th with the Sun aspected by Rahu in Virgo. Not great, but not that bad either. Mercury is in a great house for gains, although being retrograde weakens it I think and it's dispositor Venus, is with a fallen planet, and a malefic at that. Transiting Saturn is conjunct Mercury in the 11th, a difficult aspect. Transiting Mercury, meanwhile, in Saturn's sign Capricorn isn't bad on the surface, except for the fact that Saturn is fallen. This might well make Mercury's transit of Saturn's house worse, especially during a Sat-Merc period. Secondary progressed Moon 24Sc exactly trines natal Uranus on the ascendant 24Cn, and minor progressed Asc is in a close 2* conjunction with dasha lord Saturn. This is a bit wide and could be effective anytime in the next 4-5 weeks, however, I think other measures make force a release of this energy in the next week or two. Minor progressed Mercury (BL) squares DL Saturn within one degree and minor progressed Mars exactly conjuncts natal Pluto. The tertiaries are thin, although progressed Mars is squaring its natal position in the *2nd* house within one degree orb (although this is applying and therefore can't be seen as a good timer*) and progressed MC exactly opposes the natal part of fortune, in the 12th house in Gemini, which is disposited by bhuktie lord Mercury. [*Orbs are important when discussing progressions, and introduce the problem of appropriate triggers. Since one degree orbs are standard and the faster planets and angles move about one degree a month, that can translate into a 3 month window in which any given progressed planet can be said to "hit" a natal point or other progressed point. Slower planet hits, such as Mars tertiary progressions, may be "in orb" for as many as 6 months. This is another complicating factor one has to take into account when assessing the most likely time for a pattern to be effective.] So on balance, I still think a market crash of at least 10% (equal to 1000 Dow points) is most likely in the next two weeks, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were double that. There is another bad "window" I can see for the last week of March, first week of April as well, and it's possible that nothing will happen until then. So there's my hedge, but it doesn't change my fundamentally bearish view of the markets now. Whenever the big drop comes, it's still not a good time to have a lot of money tied up in the markets. If I am wrong again, I will have to console myself with the knowledge that it is better to have predicted and been wrong, than never to have predicted at all! As always, comments welcome. I'll post again as events(non-events!) warrant. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 Dear Chris The Market is a very tricky bugger to predict. It basically is the momentum of human response to fear or optimism. Years ago I spoke to a well known and often cited Wall Street astrologer. He was kind and sent me his newsletter. To my surprise it was based upon very simple principles. I've learned to trust those as the people as a whole respond to the placements in the heavens. So, when a huge event like 9-11 happens and the planets are in a fearful nak. and the planets triggered are innately volatile then you have a large decline. But those planets move and things climb. We must always take into consideration that safeguards have been placed on the market since the 20's crash and even after the Oct. '87 fall. So the Market is propped up to support it against the obvious twists and turns. Perhaps the chart should be erected since those stop-gap measures where implemented in '87. Incaseyou are not aware of it, there are safeguards in place where the computers will shut down (I may not be describing it accurately) and so avoid a massive run on the market. I would also suggest the you were right about the economic issues from the inauguration chart. Look around, it wasn't the market but the huge Enron debacle and the VP's refusal to make meetings with big-energy are causing a bit of a strain and who knows where that will go. I wonder also about the use of the Inaug. chart. I told you that I didn't have good success with it either. I tried to use it early last year and found that while it does indeed appear ominous, it is about the administration more than the country as a whole. Anyway, as I said before, I admire anyone who has the courage to put his name out there and not be afraid to say that it is a great experiment. I like to always state up front that I might be wrong in case there are folks out there who would blindly assume that I am right and be filled with fear. I even have a sneaking suspicion that the creator set it up that astrologers will ever be humbled by the events that appear to be so certain. We live in a world of change and evolution that makes it innately slippery to predict. In my opinion, that is a good thing <grins> cynthia - Christopher Kevill <ckevill <muruga>; <siderealastrology; <jyotish-list; <gjlist>; <astrophecy> Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:30 PM [GJ] Stock Market Update > Friends, > > Well, Jan 28th has come and gone, and not much has changed in the markets. > There was a big drop on Tuesday, but it only amounted to 2.5% on the Dow > Jones. No big deal really. Obviously, it's back to the drawing board for > yours truly. However, after I went back to the drawing board I found the > same configuration staring me in the face. So what went wrong? > > I think the hardest thing for me (or most astrologers?) to figure out are > "triggers". These are usually transiting planets that set off the larger > configuration of slow moving planets, progressions, and dashas. A native > may enter a good dasha or bhuktie period, but when will the results of the > good planet fructify? This problem is perhaps best thought of as a typical > clock with 3 hands, for hours, minutes, and seconds and an alarm hand set > for a certain time. The trigger is the "seconds" hand when it reaches a > point where is pushes the other two slower-moving hands into "conjunction" > with the alarm hand. Following Richard Houck, I thought that the ingress > of Uranus into Aquarius on the 28th would do the trick. It had, after all, > been the apparent trigger in its two previous ingresses. Not so this time, > at least, not in an exact sense. Uranus has now moved to 00Aq25, still in > the first degree, but now apparently lacking a trigger energy. I also > wondered if transiting Mars aspecting the lunar eclipse point might be the > trigger necessary to release the energy of the other planets. Again, > nothing happened. > > The thing is, I *still* think the market is due for a big fall, most likely > in the next two weeks, although other windows are possible. My problem now > lies in correctly identifying the trigger that will set things in motion. > > Just to review my thinking on the two key charts, the Nasdaq and the > Inauguration chart, I want to outline things as I see them. > > In the Nasdaq chart, one of the things that originally caught my eye was > that the Rahu was in the first degree of Aquarius and Ketu was in the first > degree of Leo. Moreover, the Nasdaq chart entered Ketu dasha in Oct 2001 > and is still in Ketu-Ketu. Ketu-Venus starts Feb 27th. So you can see > that the Uranus ingress/transit into that degree might figure prominently > in a larger pattern. Transiting Ketu is also exactly trining its natal > position now that it, too, has moved into the first degree of its sign. > Tertiary progressed Asc squares progressed Pluto, and minor progressed Asc > exactly opposes the Sun. That is potentially important because the Sun is > dispositor of Ketu. > > In the Inauguration chart, one of the stark realities is that transiting > Saturn is only one degree from the sripati 2nd cusp of wealth. By itself, > I admit this isn't that big a deal. But another factor here is that Saturn > stations on Feb 7 and this will increase it's power to do harm to the house > it is transiting. Stations don't exert themselves in a precise way, but > certainly the week either side of the station can be said to be more > energized than it would otherwise be. Another factor in this chart that I > missed earlier is that tertiary progressed Mercury itself stations this > month. Houck has written that these progressed stations are far more > important than transit stations and are often linked to larger events in > the chart. The fact that the Inauguration chart is running Mecury dasha > makes this progressed station that much more important. Moreover, it is > presently at 6Aq55, in near exact square to 2nd house Jupiter, karaka of > wealth, 7Ta26. And just to underline it again, this is a retrograde > station, so it's more likely that there will be reversals in the affairs > that Mercury influences. > > Another chart I've been researching is the chart for the NYSE itself. > Although subject to some speculation owing to an uncertain "birth" time, I > have tentatively selected May 17 1792 10.30 am LMT New York. This fits > more or less well with the two most famous events in its history, the > crashes of Oct 1929 and Oct 1987. I'll test it some more with other market > events as I find them. It is currently running Sat-Merc. Sat is fallen in > the 10H conj Venus and Mercury is retrograde in the 11th with the Sun > aspected by Rahu in Virgo. Not great, but not that bad either. Mercury is > in a great house for gains, although being retrograde weakens it I think > and it's dispositor Venus, is with a fallen planet, and a malefic at that. > Transiting Saturn is conjunct Mercury in the 11th, a difficult aspect. > Transiting Mercury, meanwhile, in Saturn's sign Capricorn isn't bad on the > surface, except for the fact that Saturn is fallen. This might well make > Mercury's transit of Saturn's house worse, especially during a Sat-Merc > period. > > Secondary progressed Moon 24Sc exactly trines natal Uranus on the ascendant > 24Cn, and minor progressed Asc is in a close 2* conjunction with dasha lord > Saturn. This is a bit wide and could be effective anytime in the next 4-5 > weeks, however, I think other measures make force a release of this energy > in the next week or two. Minor progressed Mercury (BL) squares DL Saturn > within one degree and minor progressed Mars exactly conjuncts natal Pluto. > The tertiaries are thin, although progressed Mars is squaring its natal > position in the *2nd* house within one degree orb (although this is > applying and therefore can't be seen as a good timer*) and progressed MC > exactly opposes the natal part of fortune, in the 12th house in Gemini, > which is disposited by bhuktie lord Mercury. > > [*Orbs are important when discussing progressions, and introduce the > problem of appropriate triggers. Since one degree orbs are standard and > the faster planets and angles move about one degree a month, that can > translate into a 3 month window in which any given progressed planet can be > said to "hit" a natal point or other progressed point. Slower planet hits, > such as Mars tertiary progressions, may be "in orb" for as many as 6 > months. This is another complicating factor one has to take into account > when assessing the most likely time for a pattern to be effective.] > > So on balance, I still think a market crash of at least 10% (equal to 1000 > Dow points) is most likely in the next two weeks, and I wouldn't be > surprised if it were double that. There is another bad "window" I can see > for the last week of March, first week of April as well, and it's possible > that nothing will happen until then. So there's my hedge, but it doesn't > change my fundamentally bearish view of the markets now. Whenever the big > drop comes, it's still not a good time to have a lot of money tied up in > the markets. > > If I am wrong again, I will have to console myself with the knowledge that > it is better to have predicted and been wrong, than never to have predicted > at all! > > As always, comments welcome. I'll post again as events(non-events!) > warrant. > > Chris > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 Dear Christopher And also there are a bunch of people who will buy as soon as the market falls .Nonetheless I will predict a slow,small decline for the first six months of this year .The Rahu Saturn conjunction will make investors conservative and a little uncertain. Nicholas - "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak <gjlist>; <siderealastrology; <jyotish-list; <astrophecy> Monday, February 04, 2002 6:55 AM Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update > Dear Chris > > The Market is a very tricky bugger to predict. It basically is the momentum > of human response to fear or optimism. Years ago I spoke to a well known > and often cited Wall Street astrologer. He was kind and sent me his > newsletter. To my surprise it was based upon very simple principles. I've > learned to trust those as the people as a whole respond to the placements in > the heavens. So, when a huge event like 9-11 happens and the planets are in > a fearful nak. and the planets triggered are innately volatile then you have > a large decline. But those planets move and things climb. We must always > take into consideration that safeguards have been placed on the market since > the 20's crash and even after the Oct. '87 fall. So the Market is propped > up to support it against the obvious twists and turns. Perhaps the chart > should be erected since those stop-gap measures where implemented in '87. > Incaseyou are not aware of it, there are safeguards in place where the > computers will shut down (I may not be describing it accurately) and so > avoid a massive run on the market. > > I would also suggest the you were right about the economic issues from the > inauguration chart. Look around, it wasn't the market but the huge Enron > debacle and the VP's refusal to make meetings with big-energy are causing a > bit of a strain and who knows where that will go. I wonder also about the > use of the Inaug. chart. I told you that I didn't have good success with it > either. I tried to use it early last year and found that while it does > indeed appear ominous, it is about the administration more than the country > as a whole. > > Anyway, as I said before, I admire anyone who has the courage to put his > name out there and not be afraid to say that it is a great experiment. I > like to always state up front that I might be wrong in case there are folks > out there who would blindly assume that I am right and be filled with fear. > I even have a sneaking suspicion that the creator set it up that astrologers > will ever be humbled by the events that appear to be so certain. We live in > a world of change and evolution that makes it innately slippery to predict. > In my opinion, that is a good thing <grins> > cynthia > - > Christopher Kevill <ckevill > <muruga>; <siderealastrology; > <jyotish-list; <gjlist>; > <astrophecy> > Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:30 PM > [GJ] Stock Market Update > > > > Friends, > > > > Well, Jan 28th has come and gone, and not much has changed in the markets. > > There was a big drop on Tuesday, but it only amounted to 2.5% on the Dow > > Jones. No big deal really. Obviously, it's back to the drawing board for > > yours truly. However, after I went back to the drawing board I found the > > same configuration staring me in the face. So what went wrong? > > > > I think the hardest thing for me (or most astrologers?) to figure out are > > "triggers". These are usually transiting planets that set off the larger > > configuration of slow moving planets, progressions, and dashas. A native > > may enter a good dasha or bhuktie period, but when will the results of the > > good planet fructify? This problem is perhaps best thought of as a > typical > > clock with 3 hands, for hours, minutes, and seconds and an alarm hand set > > for a certain time. The trigger is the "seconds" hand when it reaches a > > point where is pushes the other two slower-moving hands into "conjunction" > > with the alarm hand. Following Richard Houck, I thought that the ingress > > of Uranus into Aquarius on the 28th would do the trick. It had, after > all, > > been the apparent trigger in its two previous ingresses. Not so this > time, > > at least, not in an exact sense. Uranus has now moved to 00Aq25, still in > > the first degree, but now apparently lacking a trigger energy. I also > > wondered if transiting Mars aspecting the lunar eclipse point might be the > > trigger necessary to release the energy of the other planets. Again, > > nothing happened. > > > > The thing is, I *still* think the market is due for a big fall, most > likely > > in the next two weeks, although other windows are possible. My problem > now > > lies in correctly identifying the trigger that will set things in motion. > > > > Just to review my thinking on the two key charts, the Nasdaq and the > > Inauguration chart, I want to outline things as I see them. > > > > In the Nasdaq chart, one of the things that originally caught my eye was > > that the Rahu was in the first degree of Aquarius and Ketu was in the > first > > degree of Leo. Moreover, the Nasdaq chart entered Ketu dasha in Oct 2001 > > and is still in Ketu-Ketu. Ketu-Venus starts Feb 27th. So you can see > > that the Uranus ingress/transit into that degree might figure prominently > > in a larger pattern. Transiting Ketu is also exactly trining its natal > > position now that it, too, has moved into the first degree of its sign. > > Tertiary progressed Asc squares progressed Pluto, and minor progressed Asc > > exactly opposes the Sun. That is potentially important because the Sun is > > dispositor of Ketu. > > > > In the Inauguration chart, one of the stark realities is that transiting > > Saturn is only one degree from the sripati 2nd cusp of wealth. By itself, > > I admit this isn't that big a deal. But another factor here is that > Saturn > > stations on Feb 7 and this will increase it's power to do harm to the > house > > it is transiting. Stations don't exert themselves in a precise way, but > > certainly the week either side of the station can be said to be more > > energized than it would otherwise be. Another factor in this chart that I > > missed earlier is that tertiary progressed Mercury itself stations this > > month. Houck has written that these progressed stations are far more > > important than transit stations and are often linked to larger events in > > the chart. The fact that the Inauguration chart is running Mecury dasha > > makes this progressed station that much more important. Moreover, it is > > presently at 6Aq55, in near exact square to 2nd house Jupiter, karaka of > > wealth, 7Ta26. And just to underline it again, this is a retrograde > > station, so it's more likely that there will be reversals in the affairs > > that Mercury influences. > > > > Another chart I've been researching is the chart for the NYSE itself. > > Although subject to some speculation owing to an uncertain "birth" time, I > > have tentatively selected May 17 1792 10.30 am LMT New York. This fits > > more or less well with the two most famous events in its history, the > > crashes of Oct 1929 and Oct 1987. I'll test it some more with other > market > > events as I find them. It is currently running Sat-Merc. Sat is fallen > in > > the 10H conj Venus and Mercury is retrograde in the 11th with the Sun > > aspected by Rahu in Virgo. Not great, but not that bad either. Mercury > is > > in a great house for gains, although being retrograde weakens it I think > > and it's dispositor Venus, is with a fallen planet, and a malefic at that. > > Transiting Saturn is conjunct Mercury in the 11th, a difficult aspect. > > Transiting Mercury, meanwhile, in Saturn's sign Capricorn isn't bad on the > > surface, except for the fact that Saturn is fallen. This might well make > > Mercury's transit of Saturn's house worse, especially during a Sat-Merc > > period. > > > > Secondary progressed Moon 24Sc exactly trines natal Uranus on the > ascendant > > 24Cn, and minor progressed Asc is in a close 2* conjunction with dasha > lord > > Saturn. This is a bit wide and could be effective anytime in the next 4-5 > > weeks, however, I think other measures make force a release of this energy > > in the next week or two. Minor progressed Mercury (BL) squares DL Saturn > > within one degree and minor progressed Mars exactly conjuncts natal Pluto. > > The tertiaries are thin, although progressed Mars is squaring its natal > > position in the *2nd* house within one degree orb (although this is > > applying and therefore can't be seen as a good timer*) and progressed MC > > exactly opposes the natal part of fortune, in the 12th house in Gemini, > > which is disposited by bhuktie lord Mercury. > > > > [*Orbs are important when discussing progressions, and introduce the > > problem of appropriate triggers. Since one degree orbs are standard and > > the faster planets and angles move about one degree a month, that can > > translate into a 3 month window in which any given progressed planet can > be > > said to "hit" a natal point or other progressed point. Slower planet > hits, > > such as Mars tertiary progressions, may be "in orb" for as many as 6 > > months. This is another complicating factor one has to take into account > > when assessing the most likely time for a pattern to be effective.] > > > > So on balance, I still think a market crash of at least 10% (equal to 1000 > > Dow points) is most likely in the next two weeks, and I wouldn't be > > surprised if it were double that. There is another bad "window" I can see > > for the last week of March, first week of April as well, and it's possible > > that nothing will happen until then. So there's my hedge, but it doesn't > > change my fundamentally bearish view of the markets now. Whenever the big > > drop comes, it's still not a good time to have a lot of money tied up in > > the markets. > > > > If I am wrong again, I will have to console myself with the knowledge that > > it is better to have predicted and been wrong, than never to have > predicted > > at all! > > > > As always, comments welcome. I'll post again as events(non-events!) > > warrant. > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 Another 2 cents worth <grins> I thought that Rahu in Mrigashira and in Taurus would stimulate investors to seek out good deals, and that the Saturnine influence would not really be felt until May or June when they are more tightly tied. Time will tell. Mars with Saturn is a well-known union for business reorganization and down sizing. cynthia - Nicholas <jyotish108 <gjlist>; <siderealastrology; <jyotish-list; <astrophecy> Sunday, February 03, 2002 2:31 PM Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update > Dear Christopher > And also there are a bunch of people who will buy as soon as the market > falls .Nonetheless I will predict a slow,small decline for the first six > months of this year .The Rahu Saturn conjunction will make investors > conservative and a little uncertain. > Nicholas > - > "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak > <gjlist>; <siderealastrology; > <jyotish-list; <astrophecy> > Monday, February 04, 2002 6:55 AM > Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update > > > > Dear Chris > > > > The Market is a very tricky bugger to predict. It basically is the > momentum > > of human response to fear or optimism. Years ago I spoke to a well known > > and often cited Wall Street astrologer. He was kind and sent me his > > newsletter. To my surprise it was based upon very simple principles. > I've > > learned to trust those as the people as a whole respond to the placements > in > > the heavens. So, when a huge event like 9-11 happens and the planets are > in > > a fearful nak. and the planets triggered are innately volatile then you > have > > a large decline. But those planets move and things climb. We must > always > > take into consideration that safeguards have been placed on the market > since > > the 20's crash and even after the Oct. '87 fall. So the Market is propped > > up to support it against the obvious twists and turns. Perhaps the chart > > should be erected since those stop-gap measures where implemented in '87. > > Incaseyou are not aware of it, there are safeguards in place where the > > computers will shut down (I may not be describing it accurately) and so > > avoid a massive run on the market. > > > > I would also suggest the you were right about the economic issues from the > > inauguration chart. Look around, it wasn't the market but the huge Enron > > debacle and the VP's refusal to make meetings with big-energy are causing > a > > bit of a strain and who knows where that will go. I wonder also about the > > use of the Inaug. chart. I told you that I didn't have good success with > it > > either. I tried to use it early last year and found that while it does > > indeed appear ominous, it is about the administration more than the > country > > as a whole. > > > > Anyway, as I said before, I admire anyone who has the courage to put his > > name out there and not be afraid to say that it is a great experiment. I > > like to always state up front that I might be wrong in case there are > folks > > out there who would blindly assume that I am right and be filled with > fear. > > I even have a sneaking suspicion that the creator set it up that > astrologers > > will ever be humbled by the events that appear to be so certain. We live > in > > a world of change and evolution that makes it innately slippery to > predict. > > In my opinion, that is a good thing <grins> > > cynthia > > - > > Christopher Kevill <ckevill > > <muruga>; <siderealastrology; > > <jyotish-list; <gjlist>; > > <astrophecy> > > Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:30 PM > > [GJ] Stock Market Update > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > > Well, Jan 28th has come and gone, and not much has changed in the > markets. > > > There was a big drop on Tuesday, but it only amounted to 2.5% on the Dow > > > Jones. No big deal really. Obviously, it's back to the drawing board > for > > > yours truly. However, after I went back to the drawing board I found > the > > > same configuration staring me in the face. So what went wrong? > > > > > > I think the hardest thing for me (or most astrologers?) to figure out > are > > > "triggers". These are usually transiting planets that set off the > larger > > > configuration of slow moving planets, progressions, and dashas. A > native > > > may enter a good dasha or bhuktie period, but when will the results of > the > > > good planet fructify? This problem is perhaps best thought of as a > > typical > > > clock with 3 hands, for hours, minutes, and seconds and an alarm hand > set > > > for a certain time. The trigger is the "seconds" hand when it reaches a > > > point where is pushes the other two slower-moving hands into > "conjunction" > > > with the alarm hand. Following Richard Houck, I thought that the > ingress > > > of Uranus into Aquarius on the 28th would do the trick. It had, after > > all, > > > been the apparent trigger in its two previous ingresses. Not so this > > time, > > > at least, not in an exact sense. Uranus has now moved to 00Aq25, still > in > > > the first degree, but now apparently lacking a trigger energy. I also > > > wondered if transiting Mars aspecting the lunar eclipse point might be > the > > > trigger necessary to release the energy of the other planets. Again, > > > nothing happened. > > > > > > The thing is, I *still* think the market is due for a big fall, most > > likely > > > in the next two weeks, although other windows are possible. My problem > > now > > > lies in correctly identifying the trigger that will set things in > motion. > > > > > > Just to review my thinking on the two key charts, the Nasdaq and the > > > Inauguration chart, I want to outline things as I see them. > > > > > > In the Nasdaq chart, one of the things that originally caught my eye was > > > that the Rahu was in the first degree of Aquarius and Ketu was in the > > first > > > degree of Leo. Moreover, the Nasdaq chart entered Ketu dasha in Oct > 2001 > > > and is still in Ketu-Ketu. Ketu-Venus starts Feb 27th. So you can see > > > that the Uranus ingress/transit into that degree might figure > prominently > > > in a larger pattern. Transiting Ketu is also exactly trining its natal > > > position now that it, too, has moved into the first degree of its sign. > > > Tertiary progressed Asc squares progressed Pluto, and minor progressed > Asc > > > exactly opposes the Sun. That is potentially important because the Sun > is > > > dispositor of Ketu. > > > > > > In the Inauguration chart, one of the stark realities is that transiting > > > Saturn is only one degree from the sripati 2nd cusp of wealth. By > itself, > > > I admit this isn't that big a deal. But another factor here is that > > Saturn > > > stations on Feb 7 and this will increase it's power to do harm to the > > house > > > it is transiting. Stations don't exert themselves in a precise way, but > > > certainly the week either side of the station can be said to be more > > > energized than it would otherwise be. Another factor in this chart that > I > > > missed earlier is that tertiary progressed Mercury itself stations this > > > month. Houck has written that these progressed stations are far more > > > important than transit stations and are often linked to larger events in > > > the chart. The fact that the Inauguration chart is running Mecury dasha > > > makes this progressed station that much more important. Moreover, it is > > > presently at 6Aq55, in near exact square to 2nd house Jupiter, karaka of > > > wealth, 7Ta26. And just to underline it again, this is a retrograde > > > station, so it's more likely that there will be reversals in the affairs > > > that Mercury influences. > > > > > > Another chart I've been researching is the chart for the NYSE itself. > > > Although subject to some speculation owing to an uncertain "birth" time, > I > > > have tentatively selected May 17 1792 10.30 am LMT New York. This fits > > > more or less well with the two most famous events in its history, the > > > crashes of Oct 1929 and Oct 1987. I'll test it some more with other > > market > > > events as I find them. It is currently running Sat-Merc. Sat is fallen > > in > > > the 10H conj Venus and Mercury is retrograde in the 11th with the Sun > > > aspected by Rahu in Virgo. Not great, but not that bad either. Mercury > > is > > > in a great house for gains, although being retrograde weakens it I think > > > and it's dispositor Venus, is with a fallen planet, and a malefic at > that. > > > Transiting Saturn is conjunct Mercury in the 11th, a difficult aspect. > > > Transiting Mercury, meanwhile, in Saturn's sign Capricorn isn't bad on > the > > > surface, except for the fact that Saturn is fallen. This might well > make > > > Mercury's transit of Saturn's house worse, especially during a Sat-Merc > > > period. > > > > > > Secondary progressed Moon 24Sc exactly trines natal Uranus on the > > ascendant > > > 24Cn, and minor progressed Asc is in a close 2* conjunction with dasha > > lord > > > Saturn. This is a bit wide and could be effective anytime in the next > 4-5 > > > weeks, however, I think other measures make force a release of this > energy > > > in the next week or two. Minor progressed Mercury (BL) squares DL > Saturn > > > within one degree and minor progressed Mars exactly conjuncts natal > Pluto. > > > The tertiaries are thin, although progressed Mars is squaring its natal > > > position in the *2nd* house within one degree orb (although this is > > > applying and therefore can't be seen as a good timer*) and progressed MC > > > exactly opposes the natal part of fortune, in the 12th house in Gemini, > > > which is disposited by bhuktie lord Mercury. > > > > > > [*Orbs are important when discussing progressions, and introduce the > > > problem of appropriate triggers. Since one degree orbs are standard and > > > the faster planets and angles move about one degree a month, that can > > > translate into a 3 month window in which any given progressed planet can > > be > > > said to "hit" a natal point or other progressed point. Slower planet > > hits, > > > such as Mars tertiary progressions, may be "in orb" for as many as 6 > > > months. This is another complicating factor one has to take into > account > > > when assessing the most likely time for a pattern to be effective.] > > > > > > So on balance, I still think a market crash of at least 10% (equal to > 1000 > > > Dow points) is most likely in the next two weeks, and I wouldn't be > > > surprised if it were double that. There is another bad "window" I can > see > > > for the last week of March, first week of April as well, and it's > possible > > > that nothing will happen until then. So there's my hedge, but it > doesn't > > > change my fundamentally bearish view of the markets now. Whenever the > big > > > drop comes, it's still not a good time to have a lot of money tied up in > > > the markets. > > > > > > If I am wrong again, I will have to console myself with the knowledge > that > > > it is better to have predicted and been wrong, than never to have > > predicted > > > at all! > > > > > > As always, comments welcome. I'll post again as events(non-events!) > > > warrant. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 Dear Cynthia We are getting a good range of opinions here Previous Rahu Saturn conjunctions 56,68 and 80 were not so good for the stock market . 1991 was a recession year but the stop market went OK against a back drop of very high interest rates So are you predicting a rise over the next five months as a result of better prospects for business ? Nicholas - "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak <gjlist>; <siderealastrology; <jyotish-list; <astrophecy> Monday, February 04, 2002 8:28 AM Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update > Another 2 cents worth <grins> > > I thought that Rahu in Mrigashira and in Taurus would stimulate investors to > seek out good deals, and that the Saturnine influence would not really be > felt until May or June when they are more tightly tied. Time will tell. > > Mars with Saturn is a well-known union for business reorganization and down > sizing. > > cynthia > - > Nicholas <jyotish108 > <gjlist>; <siderealastrology; > <jyotish-list; <astrophecy> > Sunday, February 03, 2002 2:31 PM > Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update > > > > Dear Christopher > > And also there are a bunch of people who will buy as soon as the market > > falls .Nonetheless I will predict a slow,small decline for the first six > > months of this year .The Rahu Saturn conjunction will make investors > > conservative and a little uncertain. > > Nicholas > > - > > "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak > > <gjlist>; <siderealastrology; > > <jyotish-list; <astrophecy> > > Monday, February 04, 2002 6:55 AM > > Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update > > > > > > > Dear Chris > > > > > > The Market is a very tricky bugger to predict. It basically is the > > momentum > > > of human response to fear or optimism. Years ago I spoke to a well > known > > > and often cited Wall Street astrologer. He was kind and sent me his > > > newsletter. To my surprise it was based upon very simple principles. > > I've > > > learned to trust those as the people as a whole respond to the > placements > > in > > > the heavens. So, when a huge event like 9-11 happens and the planets > are > > in > > > a fearful nak. and the planets triggered are innately volatile then you > > have > > > a large decline. But those planets move and things climb. We must > > always > > > take into consideration that safeguards have been placed on the market > > since > > > the 20's crash and even after the Oct. '87 fall. So the Market is > propped > > > up to support it against the obvious twists and turns. Perhaps the > chart > > > should be erected since those stop-gap measures where implemented in > '87. > > > Incaseyou are not aware of it, there are safeguards in place where the > > > computers will shut down (I may not be describing it accurately) and so > > > avoid a massive run on the market. > > > > > > I would also suggest the you were right about the economic issues from > the > > > inauguration chart. Look around, it wasn't the market but the huge > Enron > > > debacle and the VP's refusal to make meetings with big-energy are > causing > > a > > > bit of a strain and who knows where that will go. I wonder also about > the > > > use of the Inaug. chart. I told you that I didn't have good success > with > > it > > > either. I tried to use it early last year and found that while it does > > > indeed appear ominous, it is about the administration more than the > > country > > > as a whole. > > > > > > Anyway, as I said before, I admire anyone who has the courage to put his > > > name out there and not be afraid to say that it is a great experiment. > I > > > like to always state up front that I might be wrong in case there are > > folks > > > out there who would blindly assume that I am right and be filled with > > fear. > > > I even have a sneaking suspicion that the creator set it up that > > astrologers > > > will ever be humbled by the events that appear to be so certain. We > live > > in > > > a world of change and evolution that makes it innately slippery to > > predict. > > > In my opinion, that is a good thing <grins> > > > cynthia > > > - > > > Christopher Kevill <ckevill > > > <muruga>; <siderealastrology; > > > <jyotish-list; <gjlist>; > > > <astrophecy> > > > Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:30 PM > > > [GJ] Stock Market Update > > > > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > > > > Well, Jan 28th has come and gone, and not much has changed in the > > markets. > > > > There was a big drop on Tuesday, but it only amounted to 2.5% on the > Dow > > > > Jones. No big deal really. Obviously, it's back to the drawing board > > for > > > > yours truly. However, after I went back to the drawing board I found > > the > > > > same configuration staring me in the face. So what went wrong? > > > > > > > > I think the hardest thing for me (or most astrologers?) to figure out > > are > > > > "triggers". These are usually transiting planets that set off the > > larger > > > > configuration of slow moving planets, progressions, and dashas. A > > native > > > > may enter a good dasha or bhuktie period, but when will the results of > > the > > > > good planet fructify? This problem is perhaps best thought of as a > > > typical > > > > clock with 3 hands, for hours, minutes, and seconds and an alarm hand > > set > > > > for a certain time. The trigger is the "seconds" hand when it reaches > a > > > > point where is pushes the other two slower-moving hands into > > "conjunction" > > > > with the alarm hand. Following Richard Houck, I thought that the > > ingress > > > > of Uranus into Aquarius on the 28th would do the trick. It had, after > > > all, > > > > been the apparent trigger in its two previous ingresses. Not so this > > > time, > > > > at least, not in an exact sense. Uranus has now moved to 00Aq25, still > > in > > > > the first degree, but now apparently lacking a trigger energy. I also > > > > wondered if transiting Mars aspecting the lunar eclipse point might be > > the > > > > trigger necessary to release the energy of the other planets. Again, > > > > nothing happened. > > > > > > > > The thing is, I *still* think the market is due for a big fall, most > > > likely > > > > in the next two weeks, although other windows are possible. My > problem > > > now > > > > lies in correctly identifying the trigger that will set things in > > motion. > > > > > > > > Just to review my thinking on the two key charts, the Nasdaq and the > > > > Inauguration chart, I want to outline things as I see them. > > > > > > > > In the Nasdaq chart, one of the things that originally caught my eye > was > > > > that the Rahu was in the first degree of Aquarius and Ketu was in the > > > first > > > > degree of Leo. Moreover, the Nasdaq chart entered Ketu dasha in Oct > > 2001 > > > > and is still in Ketu-Ketu. Ketu-Venus starts Feb 27th. So you can > see > > > > that the Uranus ingress/transit into that degree might figure > > prominently > > > > in a larger pattern. Transiting Ketu is also exactly trining its natal > > > > position now that it, too, has moved into the first degree of its > sign. > > > > Tertiary progressed Asc squares progressed Pluto, and minor progressed > > Asc > > > > exactly opposes the Sun. That is potentially important because the > Sun > > is > > > > dispositor of Ketu. > > > > > > > > In the Inauguration chart, one of the stark realities is that > transiting > > > > Saturn is only one degree from the sripati 2nd cusp of wealth. By > > itself, > > > > I admit this isn't that big a deal. But another factor here is that > > > Saturn > > > > stations on Feb 7 and this will increase it's power to do harm to the > > > house > > > > it is transiting. Stations don't exert themselves in a precise way, > but > > > > certainly the week either side of the station can be said to be more > > > > energized than it would otherwise be. Another factor in this chart > that > > I > > > > missed earlier is that tertiary progressed Mercury itself stations > this > > > > month. Houck has written that these progressed stations are far more > > > > important than transit stations and are often linked to larger events > in > > > > the chart. The fact that the Inauguration chart is running Mecury > dasha > > > > makes this progressed station that much more important. Moreover, it > is > > > > presently at 6Aq55, in near exact square to 2nd house Jupiter, karaka > of > > > > wealth, 7Ta26. And just to underline it again, this is a retrograde > > > > station, so it's more likely that there will be reversals in the > affairs > > > > that Mercury influences. > > > > > > > > Another chart I've been researching is the chart for the NYSE itself. > > > > Although subject to some speculation owing to an uncertain "birth" > time, > > I > > > > have tentatively selected May 17 1792 10.30 am LMT New York. This > fits > > > > more or less well with the two most famous events in its history, the > > > > crashes of Oct 1929 and Oct 1987. I'll test it some more with other > > > market > > > > events as I find them. It is currently running Sat-Merc. Sat is > fallen > > > in > > > > the 10H conj Venus and Mercury is retrograde in the 11th with the Sun > > > > aspected by Rahu in Virgo. Not great, but not that bad either. > Mercury > > > is > > > > in a great house for gains, although being retrograde weakens it I > think > > > > and it's dispositor Venus, is with a fallen planet, and a malefic at > > that. > > > > Transiting Saturn is conjunct Mercury in the 11th, a difficult aspect. > > > > Transiting Mercury, meanwhile, in Saturn's sign Capricorn isn't bad on > > the > > > > surface, except for the fact that Saturn is fallen. This might well > > make > > > > Mercury's transit of Saturn's house worse, especially during a > Sat-Merc > > > > period. > > > > > > > > Secondary progressed Moon 24Sc exactly trines natal Uranus on the > > > ascendant > > > > 24Cn, and minor progressed Asc is in a close 2* conjunction with dasha > > > lord > > > > Saturn. This is a bit wide and could be effective anytime in the next > > 4-5 > > > > weeks, however, I think other measures make force a release of this > > energy > > > > in the next week or two. Minor progressed Mercury (BL) squares DL > > Saturn > > > > within one degree and minor progressed Mars exactly conjuncts natal > > Pluto. > > > > The tertiaries are thin, although progressed Mars is squaring its > natal > > > > position in the *2nd* house within one degree orb (although this is > > > > applying and therefore can't be seen as a good timer*) and progressed > MC > > > > exactly opposes the natal part of fortune, in the 12th house in > Gemini, > > > > which is disposited by bhuktie lord Mercury. > > > > > > > > [*Orbs are important when discussing progressions, and introduce the > > > > problem of appropriate triggers. Since one degree orbs are standard > and > > > > the faster planets and angles move about one degree a month, that can > > > > translate into a 3 month window in which any given progressed planet > can > > > be > > > > said to "hit" a natal point or other progressed point. Slower planet > > > hits, > > > > such as Mars tertiary progressions, may be "in orb" for as many as 6 > > > > months. This is another complicating factor one has to take into > > account > > > > when assessing the most likely time for a pattern to be effective.] > > > > > > > > So on balance, I still think a market crash of at least 10% (equal to > > 1000 > > > > Dow points) is most likely in the next two weeks, and I wouldn't be > > > > surprised if it were double that. There is another bad "window" I can > > see > > > > for the last week of March, first week of April as well, and it's > > possible > > > > that nothing will happen until then. So there's my hedge, but it > > doesn't > > > > change my fundamentally bearish view of the markets now. Whenever the > > big > > > > drop comes, it's still not a good time to have a lot of money tied up > in > > > > the markets. > > > > > > > > If I am wrong again, I will have to console myself with the knowledge > > that > > > > it is better to have predicted and been wrong, than never to have > > > predicted > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > As always, comments welcome. I'll post again as events(non-events!) > > > > warrant. > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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