Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 Dear list members In my previous posting I mentioned that 56,68 and 80 were weak for the stock market .In fact all three years were strong . My apologies to all Nicholas - "Nicholas" <jyotish108 <gjlist> Monday, February 04, 2002 9:33 AM Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update > Dear Cynthia > We are getting a good range of opinions here > Preious Rahu Saturn conjunctions 56,68 and 80 were not so good for the > stock market . > 1991 was a recession year but the stop market went OK against a back drop of > very high interest rates > So are you predicting a rise over the next five months as a result of better > prospects for business ? > Nicholas > - > "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak > <gjlist>; <siderealastrology; > <jyotish-list; <astrophecy> > Monday, February 04, 2002 8:28 AM > Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update > > > > Another 2 cents worth <grins> > > > > I thought that Rahu in Mrigashira and in Taurus would stimulate investors > to > > seek out good deals, and that the Saturnine influence would not really be > > felt until May or June when they are more tightly tied. Time will tell. > > > > Mars with Saturn is a well-known union for business reorganization and > down > > sizing. > > > > cynthia > > - > > Nicholas <jyotish108 > > <gjlist>; <siderealastrology; > > <jyotish-list; <astrophecy> > > Sunday, February 03, 2002 2:31 PM > > Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update > > > > > > > Dear Christopher > > > And also there are a bunch of people who will buy as soon as the market > > > falls .Nonetheless I will predict a slow,small decline for the first six > > > months of this year .The Rahu Saturn conjunction will make investors > > > conservative and a little uncertain. > > > Nicholas > > > - > > > "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak > > > <gjlist>; <siderealastrology; > > > <jyotish-list; <astrophecy> > > > Monday, February 04, 2002 6:55 AM > > > Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chris > > > > > > > > The Market is a very tricky bugger to predict. It basically is the > > > momentum > > > > of human response to fear or optimism. Years ago I spoke to a well > > known > > > > and often cited Wall Street astrologer. He was kind and sent me his > > > > newsletter. To my surprise it was based upon very simple principles. > > > I've > > > > learned to trust those as the people as a whole respond to the > > placements > > > in > > > > the heavens. So, when a huge event like 9-11 happens and the planets > > are > > > in > > > > a fearful nak. and the planets triggered are innately volatile then > you > > > have > > > > a large decline. But those planets move and things climb. We must > > > always > > > > take into consideration that safeguards have been placed on the market > > > since > > > > the 20's crash and even after the Oct. '87 fall. So the Market is > > propped > > > > up to support it against the obvious twists and turns. Perhaps the > > chart > > > > should be erected since those stop-gap measures where implemented in > > '87. > > > > Incaseyou are not aware of it, there are safeguards in place where the > > > > computers will shut down (I may not be describing it accurately) and > so > > > > avoid a massive run on the market. > > > > > > > > I would also suggest the you were right about the economic issues from > > the > > > > inauguration chart. Look around, it wasn't the market but the huge > > Enron > > > > debacle and the VP's refusal to make meetings with big-energy are > > causing > > > a > > > > bit of a strain and who knows where that will go. I wonder also about > > the > > > > use of the Inaug. chart. I told you that I didn't have good success > > with > > > it > > > > either. I tried to use it early last year and found that while it > does > > > > indeed appear ominous, it is about the administration more than the > > > country > > > > as a whole. > > > > > > > > Anyway, as I said before, I admire anyone who has the courage to put > his > > > > name out there and not be afraid to say that it is a great experiment. > > I > > > > like to always state up front that I might be wrong in case there are > > > folks > > > > out there who would blindly assume that I am right and be filled with > > > fear. > > > > I even have a sneaking suspicion that the creator set it up that > > > astrologers > > > > will ever be humbled by the events that appear to be so certain. We > > live > > > in > > > > a world of change and evolution that makes it innately slippery to > > > predict. > > > > In my opinion, that is a good thing <grins> > > > > cynthia > > > > - > > > > Christopher Kevill <ckevill > > > > <muruga>; <siderealastrology; > > > > <jyotish-list; <gjlist>; > > > > <astrophecy> > > > > Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:30 PM > > > > [GJ] Stock Market Update > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > > > > > > Well, Jan 28th has come and gone, and not much has changed in the > > > markets. > > > > > There was a big drop on Tuesday, but it only amounted to 2.5% on the > > Dow > > > > > Jones. No big deal really. Obviously, it's back to the drawing > board > > > for > > > > > yours truly. However, after I went back to the drawing board I > found > > > the > > > > > same configuration staring me in the face. So what went wrong? > > > > > > > > > > I think the hardest thing for me (or most astrologers?) to figure > out > > > are > > > > > "triggers". These are usually transiting planets that set off the > > > larger > > > > > configuration of slow moving planets, progressions, and dashas. A > > > native > > > > > may enter a good dasha or bhuktie period, but when will the results > of > > > the > > > > > good planet fructify? This problem is perhaps best thought of as a > > > > typical > > > > > clock with 3 hands, for hours, minutes, and seconds and an alarm > hand > > > set > > > > > for a certain time. The trigger is the "seconds" hand when it > reaches > > a > > > > > point where is pushes the other two slower-moving hands into > > > "conjunction" > > > > > with the alarm hand. Following Richard Houck, I thought that the > > > ingress > > > > > of Uranus into Aquarius on the 28th would do the trick. It had, > after > > > > all, > > > > > been the apparent trigger in its two previous ingresses. Not so > this > > > > time, > > > > > at least, not in an exact sense. Uranus has now moved to 00Aq25, > still > > > in > > > > > the first degree, but now apparently lacking a trigger energy. I > also > > > > > wondered if transiting Mars aspecting the lunar eclipse point might > be > > > the > > > > > trigger necessary to release the energy of the other planets. > Again, > > > > > nothing happened. > > > > > > > > > > The thing is, I *still* think the market is due for a big fall, most > > > > likely > > > > > in the next two weeks, although other windows are possible. My > > problem > > > > now > > > > > lies in correctly identifying the trigger that will set things in > > > motion. > > > > > > > > > > Just to review my thinking on the two key charts, the Nasdaq and the > > > > > Inauguration chart, I want to outline things as I see them. > > > > > > > > > > In the Nasdaq chart, one of the things that originally caught my eye > > was > > > > > that the Rahu was in the first degree of Aquarius and Ketu was in > the > > > > first > > > > > degree of Leo. Moreover, the Nasdaq chart entered Ketu dasha in Oct > > > 2001 > > > > > and is still in Ketu-Ketu. Ketu-Venus starts Feb 27th. So you can > > see > > > > > that the Uranus ingress/transit into that degree might figure > > > prominently > > > > > in a larger pattern. Transiting Ketu is also exactly trining its > natal > > > > > position now that it, too, has moved into the first degree of its > > sign. > > > > > Tertiary progressed Asc squares progressed Pluto, and minor > progressed > > > Asc > > > > > exactly opposes the Sun. That is potentially important because the > > Sun > > > is > > > > > dispositor of Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > In the Inauguration chart, one of the stark realities is that > > transiting > > > > > Saturn is only one degree from the sripati 2nd cusp of wealth. By > > > itself, > > > > > I admit this isn't that big a deal. But another factor here is that > > > > Saturn > > > > > stations on Feb 7 and this will increase it's power to do harm to > the > > > > house > > > > > it is transiting. Stations don't exert themselves in a precise way, > > but > > > > > certainly the week either side of the station can be said to be more > > > > > energized than it would otherwise be. Another factor in this chart > > that > > > I > > > > > missed earlier is that tertiary progressed Mercury itself stations > > this > > > > > month. Houck has written that these progressed stations are far > more > > > > > important than transit stations and are often linked to larger > events > > in > > > > > the chart. The fact that the Inauguration chart is running Mecury > > dasha > > > > > makes this progressed station that much more important. Moreover, > it > > is > > > > > presently at 6Aq55, in near exact square to 2nd house Jupiter, > karaka > > of > > > > > wealth, 7Ta26. And just to underline it again, this is a retrograde > > > > > station, so it's more likely that there will be reversals in the > > affairs > > > > > that Mercury influences. > > > > > > > > > > Another chart I've been researching is the chart for the NYSE > itself. > > > > > Although subject to some speculation owing to an uncertain "birth" > > time, > > > I > > > > > have tentatively selected May 17 1792 10.30 am LMT New York. This > > fits > > > > > more or less well with the two most famous events in its history, > the > > > > > crashes of Oct 1929 and Oct 1987. I'll test it some more with other > > > > market > > > > > events as I find them. It is currently running Sat-Merc. Sat is > > fallen > > > > in > > > > > the 10H conj Venus and Mercury is retrograde in the 11th with the > Sun > > > > > aspected by Rahu in Virgo. Not great, but not that bad either. > > Mercury > > > > is > > > > > in a great house for gains, although being retrograde weakens it I > > think > > > > > and it's dispositor Venus, is with a fallen planet, and a malefic at > > > that. > > > > > Transiting Saturn is conjunct Mercury in the 11th, a difficult > aspect. > > > > > Transiting Mercury, meanwhile, in Saturn's sign Capricorn isn't bad > on > > > the > > > > > surface, except for the fact that Saturn is fallen. This might well > > > make > > > > > Mercury's transit of Saturn's house worse, especially during a > > Sat-Merc > > > > > period. > > > > > > > > > > Secondary progressed Moon 24Sc exactly trines natal Uranus on the > > > > ascendant > > > > > 24Cn, and minor progressed Asc is in a close 2* conjunction with > dasha > > > > lord > > > > > Saturn. This is a bit wide and could be effective anytime in the > next > > > 4-5 > > > > > weeks, however, I think other measures make force a release of this > > > energy > > > > > in the next week or two. Minor progressed Mercury (BL) squares DL > > > Saturn > > > > > within one degree and minor progressed Mars exactly conjuncts natal > > > Pluto. > > > > > The tertiaries are thin, although progressed Mars is squaring its > > natal > > > > > position in the *2nd* house within one degree orb (although this is > > > > > applying and therefore can't be seen as a good timer*) and > progressed > > MC > > > > > exactly opposes the natal part of fortune, in the 12th house in > > Gemini, > > > > > which is disposited by bhuktie lord Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > [*Orbs are important when discussing progressions, and introduce the > > > > > problem of appropriate triggers. Since one degree orbs are standard > > and > > > > > the faster planets and angles move about one degree a month, that > can > > > > > translate into a 3 month window in which any given progressed planet > > can > > > > be > > > > > said to "hit" a natal point or other progressed point. Slower > planet > > > > hits, > > > > > such as Mars tertiary progressions, may be "in orb" for as many as > 6 > > > > > months. This is another complicating factor one has to take into > > > account > > > > > when assessing the most likely time for a pattern to be effective.] > > > > > > > > > > So on balance, I still think a market crash of at least 10% (equal > to > > > 1000 > > > > > Dow points) is most likely in the next two weeks, and I wouldn't be > > > > > surprised if it were double that. There is another bad "window" I > can > > > see > > > > > for the last week of March, first week of April as well, and it's > > > possible > > > > > that nothing will happen until then. So there's my hedge, but it > > > doesn't > > > > > change my fundamentally bearish view of the markets now. Whenever > the > > > big > > > > > drop comes, it's still not a good time to have a lot of money tied > up > > in > > > > > the markets. > > > > > > > > > > If I am wrong again, I will have to console myself with the > knowledge > > > that > > > > > it is better to have predicted and been wrong, than never to have > > > > predicted > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > As always, comments welcome. I'll post again as events(non-events!) > > > > > warrant. > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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