Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 Dear Chris The Market is a very tricky bugger to predict. It basically is the momentum of human response to fear or optimism. Years ago I spoke to a well known and often cited Wall Street astrologer. He was kind and sent me his newsletter. To my surprise it was based upon very simple principles. I've learned to trust those as the people as a whole respond to the placements in the heavens. So, when a huge event like 9-11 happens and the planets are in a fearful nak. and the planets triggered are innately volatile then you have a large decline. But those planets move and things climb. We must always take into consideration that safeguards have been placed on the market since the 20's crash and even after the Oct. '87 fall. So the Market is propped up to support it against the obvious twists and turns. Perhaps the chart should be erected since those stop-gap measures where implemented in '87. Incaseyou are not aware of it, there are safeguards in place where the computers will shut down (I may not be describing it accurately) and so avoid a massive run on the market. I would also suggest the you were right about the economic issues from the inauguration chart. Look around, it wasn't the market but the huge Enron debacle and the VP's refusal to make meetings with big-energy are causing a bit of a strain and who knows where that will go. I wonder also about the use of the Inaug. chart. I told you that I didn't have good success with it either. I tried to use it early last year and found that while it does indeed appear ominous, it is about the administration more than the country as a whole. Anyway, as I said before, I admire anyone who has the courage to put his name out there and not be afraid to say that it is a great experiment. I like to always state up front that I might be wrong in case there are folks out there who would blindly assume that I am right and be filled with fear. I even have a sneaking suspicion that the creator set it up that astrologers will ever be humbled by the events that appear to be so certain. We live in a world of change and evolution that makes it innately slippery to predict. In my opinion, that is a good thing <grins> cynthia - Christopher Kevill <ckevill <muruga>; <siderealastrology; <jyotish-list; <gjlist>; <astrophecy> Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:30 PM [GJ] Stock Market Update > Friends, > > Well, Jan 28th has come and gone, and not much has changed in the markets. > There was a big drop on Tuesday, but it only amounted to 2.5% on the Dow > Jones. No big deal really. Obviously, it's back to the drawing board for > yours truly. However, after I went back to the drawing board I found the > same configuration staring me in the face. So what went wrong? > > I think the hardest thing for me (or most astrologers?) to figure out are > "triggers". These are usually transiting planets that set off the larger > configuration of slow moving planets, progressions, and dashas. A native > may enter a good dasha or bhuktie period, but when will the results of the > good planet fructify? This problem is perhaps best thought of as a typical > clock with 3 hands, for hours, minutes, and seconds and an alarm hand set > for a certain time. The trigger is the "seconds" hand when it reaches a > point where is pushes the other two slower-moving hands into "conjunction" > with the alarm hand. Following Richard Houck, I thought that the ingress > of Uranus into Aquarius on the 28th would do the trick. It had, after all, > been the apparent trigger in its two previous ingresses. Not so this time, > at least, not in an exact sense. Uranus has now moved to 00Aq25, still in > the first degree, but now apparently lacking a trigger energy. I also > wondered if transiting Mars aspecting the lunar eclipse point might be the > trigger necessary to release the energy of the other planets. Again, > nothing happened. > > The thing is, I *still* think the market is due for a big fall, most likely > in the next two weeks, although other windows are possible. My problem now > lies in correctly identifying the trigger that will set things in motion. > > Just to review my thinking on the two key charts, the Nasdaq and the > Inauguration chart, I want to outline things as I see them. > > In the Nasdaq chart, one of the things that originally caught my eye was > that the Rahu was in the first degree of Aquarius and Ketu was in the first > degree of Leo. Moreover, the Nasdaq chart entered Ketu dasha in Oct 2001 > and is still in Ketu-Ketu. Ketu-Venus starts Feb 27th. So you can see > that the Uranus ingress/transit into that degree might figure prominently > in a larger pattern. Transiting Ketu is also exactly trining its natal > position now that it, too, has moved into the first degree of its sign. > Tertiary progressed Asc squares progressed Pluto, and minor progressed Asc > exactly opposes the Sun. That is potentially important because the Sun is > dispositor of Ketu. > > In the Inauguration chart, one of the stark realities is that transiting > Saturn is only one degree from the sripati 2nd cusp of wealth. By itself, > I admit this isn't that big a deal. But another factor here is that Saturn > stations on Feb 7 and this will increase it's power to do harm to the house > it is transiting. Stations don't exert themselves in a precise way, but > certainly the week either side of the station can be said to be more > energized than it would otherwise be. Another factor in this chart that I > missed earlier is that tertiary progressed Mercury itself stations this > month. Houck has written that these progressed stations are far more > important than transit stations and are often linked to larger events in > the chart. The fact that the Inauguration chart is running Mecury dasha > makes this progressed station that much more important. Moreover, it is > presently at 6Aq55, in near exact square to 2nd house Jupiter, karaka of > wealth, 7Ta26. And just to underline it again, this is a retrograde > station, so it's more likely that there will be reversals in the affairs > that Mercury influences. > > Another chart I've been researching is the chart for the NYSE itself. > Although subject to some speculation owing to an uncertain "birth" time, I > have tentatively selected May 17 1792 10.30 am LMT New York. This fits > more or less well with the two most famous events in its history, the > crashes of Oct 1929 and Oct 1987. I'll test it some more with other market > events as I find them. It is currently running Sat-Merc. Sat is fallen in > the 10H conj Venus and Mercury is retrograde in the 11th with the Sun > aspected by Rahu in Virgo. Not great, but not that bad either. Mercury is > in a great house for gains, although being retrograde weakens it I think > and it's dispositor Venus, is with a fallen planet, and a malefic at that. > Transiting Saturn is conjunct Mercury in the 11th, a difficult aspect. > Transiting Mercury, meanwhile, in Saturn's sign Capricorn isn't bad on the > surface, except for the fact that Saturn is fallen. This might well make > Mercury's transit of Saturn's house worse, especially during a Sat-Merc > period. > > Secondary progressed Moon 24Sc exactly trines natal Uranus on the ascendant > 24Cn, and minor progressed Asc is in a close 2* conjunction with dasha lord > Saturn. This is a bit wide and could be effective anytime in the next 4-5 > weeks, however, I think other measures make force a release of this energy > in the next week or two. Minor progressed Mercury (BL) squares DL Saturn > within one degree and minor progressed Mars exactly conjuncts natal Pluto. > The tertiaries are thin, although progressed Mars is squaring its natal > position in the *2nd* house within one degree orb (although this is > applying and therefore can't be seen as a good timer*) and progressed MC > exactly opposes the natal part of fortune, in the 12th house in Gemini, > which is disposited by bhuktie lord Mercury. > > [*Orbs are important when discussing progressions, and introduce the > problem of appropriate triggers. Since one degree orbs are standard and > the faster planets and angles move about one degree a month, that can > translate into a 3 month window in which any given progressed planet can be > said to "hit" a natal point or other progressed point. Slower planet hits, > such as Mars tertiary progressions, may be "in orb" for as many as 6 > months. This is another complicating factor one has to take into account > when assessing the most likely time for a pattern to be effective.] > > So on balance, I still think a market crash of at least 10% (equal to 1000 > Dow points) is most likely in the next two weeks, and I wouldn't be > surprised if it were double that. There is another bad "window" I can see > for the last week of March, first week of April as well, and it's possible > that nothing will happen until then. So there's my hedge, but it doesn't > change my fundamentally bearish view of the markets now. Whenever the big > drop comes, it's still not a good time to have a lot of money tied up in > the markets. > > If I am wrong again, I will have to console myself with the knowledge that > it is better to have predicted and been wrong, than never to have predicted > at all! > > As always, comments welcome. I'll post again as events(non-events!) > warrant. > > Chris > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 Dear Christopher And also there are a bunch of people who will buy as soon as the market falls .Nonetheless I will predict a slow,small decline for the first six months of this year .The Rahu Saturn conjunction will make investors conservative and a little uncertain. Nicholas - "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak <gjlist>; <siderealastrology; <jyotish-list; <astrophecy> Monday, February 04, 2002 6:55 AM Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update > Dear Chris > > The Market is a very tricky bugger to predict. It basically is the momentum > of human response to fear or optimism. Years ago I spoke to a well known > and often cited Wall Street astrologer. He was kind and sent me his > newsletter. To my surprise it was based upon very simple principles. I've > learned to trust those as the people as a whole respond to the placements in > the heavens. So, when a huge event like 9-11 happens and the planets are in > a fearful nak. and the planets triggered are innately volatile then you have > a large decline. But those planets move and things climb. We must always > take into consideration that safeguards have been placed on the market since > the 20's crash and even after the Oct. '87 fall. So the Market is propped > up to support it against the obvious twists and turns. Perhaps the chart > should be erected since those stop-gap measures where implemented in '87. > Incaseyou are not aware of it, there are safeguards in place where the > computers will shut down (I may not be describing it accurately) and so > avoid a massive run on the market. > > I would also suggest the you were right about the economic issues from the > inauguration chart. Look around, it wasn't the market but the huge Enron > debacle and the VP's refusal to make meetings with big-energy are causing a > bit of a strain and who knows where that will go. I wonder also about the > use of the Inaug. chart. I told you that I didn't have good success with it > either. I tried to use it early last year and found that while it does > indeed appear ominous, it is about the administration more than the country > as a whole. > > Anyway, as I said before, I admire anyone who has the courage to put his > name out there and not be afraid to say that it is a great experiment. I > like to always state up front that I might be wrong in case there are folks > out there who would blindly assume that I am right and be filled with fear. > I even have a sneaking suspicion that the creator set it up that astrologers > will ever be humbled by the events that appear to be so certain. We live in > a world of change and evolution that makes it innately slippery to predict. > In my opinion, that is a good thing <grins> > cynthia > - > Christopher Kevill <ckevill > <muruga>; <siderealastrology; > <jyotish-list; <gjlist>; > <astrophecy> > Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:30 PM > [GJ] Stock Market Update > > > > Friends, > > > > Well, Jan 28th has come and gone, and not much has changed in the markets. > > There was a big drop on Tuesday, but it only amounted to 2.5% on the Dow > > Jones. No big deal really. Obviously, it's back to the drawing board for > > yours truly. However, after I went back to the drawing board I found the > > same configuration staring me in the face. So what went wrong? > > > > I think the hardest thing for me (or most astrologers?) to figure out are > > "triggers". These are usually transiting planets that set off the larger > > configuration of slow moving planets, progressions, and dashas. A native > > may enter a good dasha or bhuktie period, but when will the results of the > > good planet fructify? This problem is perhaps best thought of as a > typical > > clock with 3 hands, for hours, minutes, and seconds and an alarm hand set > > for a certain time. The trigger is the "seconds" hand when it reaches a > > point where is pushes the other two slower-moving hands into "conjunction" > > with the alarm hand. Following Richard Houck, I thought that the ingress > > of Uranus into Aquarius on the 28th would do the trick. It had, after > all, > > been the apparent trigger in its two previous ingresses. Not so this > time, > > at least, not in an exact sense. Uranus has now moved to 00Aq25, still in > > the first degree, but now apparently lacking a trigger energy. I also > > wondered if transiting Mars aspecting the lunar eclipse point might be the > > trigger necessary to release the energy of the other planets. Again, > > nothing happened. > > > > The thing is, I *still* think the market is due for a big fall, most > likely > > in the next two weeks, although other windows are possible. My problem > now > > lies in correctly identifying the trigger that will set things in motion. > > > > Just to review my thinking on the two key charts, the Nasdaq and the > > Inauguration chart, I want to outline things as I see them. > > > > In the Nasdaq chart, one of the things that originally caught my eye was > > that the Rahu was in the first degree of Aquarius and Ketu was in the > first > > degree of Leo. Moreover, the Nasdaq chart entered Ketu dasha in Oct 2001 > > and is still in Ketu-Ketu. Ketu-Venus starts Feb 27th. So you can see > > that the Uranus ingress/transit into that degree might figure prominently > > in a larger pattern. Transiting Ketu is also exactly trining its natal > > position now that it, too, has moved into the first degree of its sign. > > Tertiary progressed Asc squares progressed Pluto, and minor progressed Asc > > exactly opposes the Sun. That is potentially important because the Sun is > > dispositor of Ketu. > > > > In the Inauguration chart, one of the stark realities is that transiting > > Saturn is only one degree from the sripati 2nd cusp of wealth. By itself, > > I admit this isn't that big a deal. But another factor here is that > Saturn > > stations on Feb 7 and this will increase it's power to do harm to the > house > > it is transiting. Stations don't exert themselves in a precise way, but > > certainly the week either side of the station can be said to be more > > energized than it would otherwise be. Another factor in this chart that I > > missed earlier is that tertiary progressed Mercury itself stations this > > month. Houck has written that these progressed stations are far more > > important than transit stations and are often linked to larger events in > > the chart. The fact that the Inauguration chart is running Mecury dasha > > makes this progressed station that much more important. Moreover, it is > > presently at 6Aq55, in near exact square to 2nd house Jupiter, karaka of > > wealth, 7Ta26. And just to underline it again, this is a retrograde > > station, so it's more likely that there will be reversals in the affairs > > that Mercury influences. > > > > Another chart I've been researching is the chart for the NYSE itself. > > Although subject to some speculation owing to an uncertain "birth" time, I > > have tentatively selected May 17 1792 10.30 am LMT New York. This fits > > more or less well with the two most famous events in its history, the > > crashes of Oct 1929 and Oct 1987. I'll test it some more with other > market > > events as I find them. It is currently running Sat-Merc. Sat is fallen > in > > the 10H conj Venus and Mercury is retrograde in the 11th with the Sun > > aspected by Rahu in Virgo. Not great, but not that bad either. Mercury > is > > in a great house for gains, although being retrograde weakens it I think > > and it's dispositor Venus, is with a fallen planet, and a malefic at that. > > Transiting Saturn is conjunct Mercury in the 11th, a difficult aspect. > > Transiting Mercury, meanwhile, in Saturn's sign Capricorn isn't bad on the > > surface, except for the fact that Saturn is fallen. This might well make > > Mercury's transit of Saturn's house worse, especially during a Sat-Merc > > period. > > > > Secondary progressed Moon 24Sc exactly trines natal Uranus on the > ascendant > > 24Cn, and minor progressed Asc is in a close 2* conjunction with dasha > lord > > Saturn. This is a bit wide and could be effective anytime in the next 4-5 > > weeks, however, I think other measures make force a release of this energy > > in the next week or two. Minor progressed Mercury (BL) squares DL Saturn > > within one degree and minor progressed Mars exactly conjuncts natal Pluto. > > The tertiaries are thin, although progressed Mars is squaring its natal > > position in the *2nd* house within one degree orb (although this is > > applying and therefore can't be seen as a good timer*) and progressed MC > > exactly opposes the natal part of fortune, in the 12th house in Gemini, > > which is disposited by bhuktie lord Mercury. > > > > [*Orbs are important when discussing progressions, and introduce the > > problem of appropriate triggers. Since one degree orbs are standard and > > the faster planets and angles move about one degree a month, that can > > translate into a 3 month window in which any given progressed planet can > be > > said to "hit" a natal point or other progressed point. Slower planet > hits, > > such as Mars tertiary progressions, may be "in orb" for as many as 6 > > months. This is another complicating factor one has to take into account > > when assessing the most likely time for a pattern to be effective.] > > > > So on balance, I still think a market crash of at least 10% (equal to 1000 > > Dow points) is most likely in the next two weeks, and I wouldn't be > > surprised if it were double that. There is another bad "window" I can see > > for the last week of March, first week of April as well, and it's possible > > that nothing will happen until then. So there's my hedge, but it doesn't > > change my fundamentally bearish view of the markets now. Whenever the big > > drop comes, it's still not a good time to have a lot of money tied up in > > the markets. > > > > If I am wrong again, I will have to console myself with the knowledge that > > it is better to have predicted and been wrong, than never to have > predicted > > at all! > > > > As always, comments welcome. I'll post again as events(non-events!) > > warrant. > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 Another 2 cents worth <grins> I thought that Rahu in Mrigashira and in Taurus would stimulate investors to seek out good deals, and that the Saturnine influence would not really be felt until May or June when they are more tightly tied. Time will tell. Mars with Saturn is a well-known union for business reorganization and down sizing. cynthia - Nicholas <jyotish108 <gjlist>; <siderealastrology; <jyotish-list; <astrophecy> Sunday, February 03, 2002 2:31 PM Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update > Dear Christopher > And also there are a bunch of people who will buy as soon as the market > falls .Nonetheless I will predict a slow,small decline for the first six > months of this year .The Rahu Saturn conjunction will make investors > conservative and a little uncertain. > Nicholas > - > "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak > <gjlist>; <siderealastrology; > <jyotish-list; <astrophecy> > Monday, February 04, 2002 6:55 AM > Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update > > > > Dear Chris > > > > The Market is a very tricky bugger to predict. It basically is the > momentum > > of human response to fear or optimism. Years ago I spoke to a well known > > and often cited Wall Street astrologer. He was kind and sent me his > > newsletter. To my surprise it was based upon very simple principles. > I've > > learned to trust those as the people as a whole respond to the placements > in > > the heavens. So, when a huge event like 9-11 happens and the planets are > in > > a fearful nak. and the planets triggered are innately volatile then you > have > > a large decline. But those planets move and things climb. We must > always > > take into consideration that safeguards have been placed on the market > since > > the 20's crash and even after the Oct. '87 fall. So the Market is propped > > up to support it against the obvious twists and turns. Perhaps the chart > > should be erected since those stop-gap measures where implemented in '87. > > Incaseyou are not aware of it, there are safeguards in place where the > > computers will shut down (I may not be describing it accurately) and so > > avoid a massive run on the market. > > > > I would also suggest the you were right about the economic issues from the > > inauguration chart. Look around, it wasn't the market but the huge Enron > > debacle and the VP's refusal to make meetings with big-energy are causing > a > > bit of a strain and who knows where that will go. I wonder also about the > > use of the Inaug. chart. I told you that I didn't have good success with > it > > either. I tried to use it early last year and found that while it does > > indeed appear ominous, it is about the administration more than the > country > > as a whole. > > > > Anyway, as I said before, I admire anyone who has the courage to put his > > name out there and not be afraid to say that it is a great experiment. I > > like to always state up front that I might be wrong in case there are > folks > > out there who would blindly assume that I am right and be filled with > fear. > > I even have a sneaking suspicion that the creator set it up that > astrologers > > will ever be humbled by the events that appear to be so certain. We live > in > > a world of change and evolution that makes it innately slippery to > predict. > > In my opinion, that is a good thing <grins> > > cynthia > > - > > Christopher Kevill <ckevill > > <muruga>; <siderealastrology; > > <jyotish-list; <gjlist>; > > <astrophecy> > > Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:30 PM > > [GJ] Stock Market Update > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > > Well, Jan 28th has come and gone, and not much has changed in the > markets. > > > There was a big drop on Tuesday, but it only amounted to 2.5% on the Dow > > > Jones. No big deal really. Obviously, it's back to the drawing board > for > > > yours truly. However, after I went back to the drawing board I found > the > > > same configuration staring me in the face. So what went wrong? > > > > > > I think the hardest thing for me (or most astrologers?) to figure out > are > > > "triggers". These are usually transiting planets that set off the > larger > > > configuration of slow moving planets, progressions, and dashas. A > native > > > may enter a good dasha or bhuktie period, but when will the results of > the > > > good planet fructify? This problem is perhaps best thought of as a > > typical > > > clock with 3 hands, for hours, minutes, and seconds and an alarm hand > set > > > for a certain time. The trigger is the "seconds" hand when it reaches a > > > point where is pushes the other two slower-moving hands into > "conjunction" > > > with the alarm hand. Following Richard Houck, I thought that the > ingress > > > of Uranus into Aquarius on the 28th would do the trick. It had, after > > all, > > > been the apparent trigger in its two previous ingresses. Not so this > > time, > > > at least, not in an exact sense. Uranus has now moved to 00Aq25, still > in > > > the first degree, but now apparently lacking a trigger energy. I also > > > wondered if transiting Mars aspecting the lunar eclipse point might be > the > > > trigger necessary to release the energy of the other planets. Again, > > > nothing happened. > > > > > > The thing is, I *still* think the market is due for a big fall, most > > likely > > > in the next two weeks, although other windows are possible. My problem > > now > > > lies in correctly identifying the trigger that will set things in > motion. > > > > > > Just to review my thinking on the two key charts, the Nasdaq and the > > > Inauguration chart, I want to outline things as I see them. > > > > > > In the Nasdaq chart, one of the things that originally caught my eye was > > > that the Rahu was in the first degree of Aquarius and Ketu was in the > > first > > > degree of Leo. Moreover, the Nasdaq chart entered Ketu dasha in Oct > 2001 > > > and is still in Ketu-Ketu. Ketu-Venus starts Feb 27th. So you can see > > > that the Uranus ingress/transit into that degree might figure > prominently > > > in a larger pattern. Transiting Ketu is also exactly trining its natal > > > position now that it, too, has moved into the first degree of its sign. > > > Tertiary progressed Asc squares progressed Pluto, and minor progressed > Asc > > > exactly opposes the Sun. That is potentially important because the Sun > is > > > dispositor of Ketu. > > > > > > In the Inauguration chart, one of the stark realities is that transiting > > > Saturn is only one degree from the sripati 2nd cusp of wealth. By > itself, > > > I admit this isn't that big a deal. But another factor here is that > > Saturn > > > stations on Feb 7 and this will increase it's power to do harm to the > > house > > > it is transiting. Stations don't exert themselves in a precise way, but > > > certainly the week either side of the station can be said to be more > > > energized than it would otherwise be. Another factor in this chart that > I > > > missed earlier is that tertiary progressed Mercury itself stations this > > > month. Houck has written that these progressed stations are far more > > > important than transit stations and are often linked to larger events in > > > the chart. The fact that the Inauguration chart is running Mecury dasha > > > makes this progressed station that much more important. Moreover, it is > > > presently at 6Aq55, in near exact square to 2nd house Jupiter, karaka of > > > wealth, 7Ta26. And just to underline it again, this is a retrograde > > > station, so it's more likely that there will be reversals in the affairs > > > that Mercury influences. > > > > > > Another chart I've been researching is the chart for the NYSE itself. > > > Although subject to some speculation owing to an uncertain "birth" time, > I > > > have tentatively selected May 17 1792 10.30 am LMT New York. This fits > > > more or less well with the two most famous events in its history, the > > > crashes of Oct 1929 and Oct 1987. I'll test it some more with other > > market > > > events as I find them. It is currently running Sat-Merc. Sat is fallen > > in > > > the 10H conj Venus and Mercury is retrograde in the 11th with the Sun > > > aspected by Rahu in Virgo. Not great, but not that bad either. Mercury > > is > > > in a great house for gains, although being retrograde weakens it I think > > > and it's dispositor Venus, is with a fallen planet, and a malefic at > that. > > > Transiting Saturn is conjunct Mercury in the 11th, a difficult aspect. > > > Transiting Mercury, meanwhile, in Saturn's sign Capricorn isn't bad on > the > > > surface, except for the fact that Saturn is fallen. This might well > make > > > Mercury's transit of Saturn's house worse, especially during a Sat-Merc > > > period. > > > > > > Secondary progressed Moon 24Sc exactly trines natal Uranus on the > > ascendant > > > 24Cn, and minor progressed Asc is in a close 2* conjunction with dasha > > lord > > > Saturn. This is a bit wide and could be effective anytime in the next > 4-5 > > > weeks, however, I think other measures make force a release of this > energy > > > in the next week or two. Minor progressed Mercury (BL) squares DL > Saturn > > > within one degree and minor progressed Mars exactly conjuncts natal > Pluto. > > > The tertiaries are thin, although progressed Mars is squaring its natal > > > position in the *2nd* house within one degree orb (although this is > > > applying and therefore can't be seen as a good timer*) and progressed MC > > > exactly opposes the natal part of fortune, in the 12th house in Gemini, > > > which is disposited by bhuktie lord Mercury. > > > > > > [*Orbs are important when discussing progressions, and introduce the > > > problem of appropriate triggers. Since one degree orbs are standard and > > > the faster planets and angles move about one degree a month, that can > > > translate into a 3 month window in which any given progressed planet can > > be > > > said to "hit" a natal point or other progressed point. Slower planet > > hits, > > > such as Mars tertiary progressions, may be "in orb" for as many as 6 > > > months. This is another complicating factor one has to take into > account > > > when assessing the most likely time for a pattern to be effective.] > > > > > > So on balance, I still think a market crash of at least 10% (equal to > 1000 > > > Dow points) is most likely in the next two weeks, and I wouldn't be > > > surprised if it were double that. There is another bad "window" I can > see > > > for the last week of March, first week of April as well, and it's > possible > > > that nothing will happen until then. So there's my hedge, but it > doesn't > > > change my fundamentally bearish view of the markets now. Whenever the > big > > > drop comes, it's still not a good time to have a lot of money tied up in > > > the markets. > > > > > > If I am wrong again, I will have to console myself with the knowledge > that > > > it is better to have predicted and been wrong, than never to have > > predicted > > > at all! > > > > > > As always, comments welcome. I'll post again as events(non-events!) > > > warrant. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 Dear Cynthia We are getting a good range of opinions here Previous Rahu Saturn conjunctions 56,68 and 80 were not so good for the stock market . 1991 was a recession year but the stop market went OK against a back drop of very high interest rates So are you predicting a rise over the next five months as a result of better prospects for business ? Nicholas - "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak <gjlist>; <siderealastrology; <jyotish-list; <astrophecy> Monday, February 04, 2002 8:28 AM Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update > Another 2 cents worth <grins> > > I thought that Rahu in Mrigashira and in Taurus would stimulate investors to > seek out good deals, and that the Saturnine influence would not really be > felt until May or June when they are more tightly tied. Time will tell. > > Mars with Saturn is a well-known union for business reorganization and down > sizing. > > cynthia > - > Nicholas <jyotish108 > <gjlist>; <siderealastrology; > <jyotish-list; <astrophecy> > Sunday, February 03, 2002 2:31 PM > Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update > > > > Dear Christopher > > And also there are a bunch of people who will buy as soon as the market > > falls .Nonetheless I will predict a slow,small decline for the first six > > months of this year .The Rahu Saturn conjunction will make investors > > conservative and a little uncertain. > > Nicholas > > - > > "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak > > <gjlist>; <siderealastrology; > > <jyotish-list; <astrophecy> > > Monday, February 04, 2002 6:55 AM > > Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update > > > > > > > Dear Chris > > > > > > The Market is a very tricky bugger to predict. It basically is the > > momentum > > > of human response to fear or optimism. Years ago I spoke to a well > known > > > and often cited Wall Street astrologer. He was kind and sent me his > > > newsletter. To my surprise it was based upon very simple principles. > > I've > > > learned to trust those as the people as a whole respond to the > placements > > in > > > the heavens. So, when a huge event like 9-11 happens and the planets > are > > in > > > a fearful nak. and the planets triggered are innately volatile then you > > have > > > a large decline. But those planets move and things climb. We must > > always > > > take into consideration that safeguards have been placed on the market > > since > > > the 20's crash and even after the Oct. '87 fall. So the Market is > propped > > > up to support it against the obvious twists and turns. Perhaps the > chart > > > should be erected since those stop-gap measures where implemented in > '87. > > > Incaseyou are not aware of it, there are safeguards in place where the > > > computers will shut down (I may not be describing it accurately) and so > > > avoid a massive run on the market. > > > > > > I would also suggest the you were right about the economic issues from > the > > > inauguration chart. Look around, it wasn't the market but the huge > Enron > > > debacle and the VP's refusal to make meetings with big-energy are > causing > > a > > > bit of a strain and who knows where that will go. I wonder also about > the > > > use of the Inaug. chart. I told you that I didn't have good success > with > > it > > > either. I tried to use it early last year and found that while it does > > > indeed appear ominous, it is about the administration more than the > > country > > > as a whole. > > > > > > Anyway, as I said before, I admire anyone who has the courage to put his > > > name out there and not be afraid to say that it is a great experiment. > I > > > like to always state up front that I might be wrong in case there are > > folks > > > out there who would blindly assume that I am right and be filled with > > fear. > > > I even have a sneaking suspicion that the creator set it up that > > astrologers > > > will ever be humbled by the events that appear to be so certain. We > live > > in > > > a world of change and evolution that makes it innately slippery to > > predict. > > > In my opinion, that is a good thing <grins> > > > cynthia > > > - > > > Christopher Kevill <ckevill > > > <muruga>; <siderealastrology; > > > <jyotish-list; <gjlist>; > > > <astrophecy> > > > Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:30 PM > > > [GJ] Stock Market Update > > > > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > > > > Well, Jan 28th has come and gone, and not much has changed in the > > markets. > > > > There was a big drop on Tuesday, but it only amounted to 2.5% on the > Dow > > > > Jones. No big deal really. Obviously, it's back to the drawing board > > for > > > > yours truly. However, after I went back to the drawing board I found > > the > > > > same configuration staring me in the face. So what went wrong? > > > > > > > > I think the hardest thing for me (or most astrologers?) to figure out > > are > > > > "triggers". These are usually transiting planets that set off the > > larger > > > > configuration of slow moving planets, progressions, and dashas. A > > native > > > > may enter a good dasha or bhuktie period, but when will the results of > > the > > > > good planet fructify? This problem is perhaps best thought of as a > > > typical > > > > clock with 3 hands, for hours, minutes, and seconds and an alarm hand > > set > > > > for a certain time. The trigger is the "seconds" hand when it reaches > a > > > > point where is pushes the other two slower-moving hands into > > "conjunction" > > > > with the alarm hand. Following Richard Houck, I thought that the > > ingress > > > > of Uranus into Aquarius on the 28th would do the trick. It had, after > > > all, > > > > been the apparent trigger in its two previous ingresses. Not so this > > > time, > > > > at least, not in an exact sense. Uranus has now moved to 00Aq25, still > > in > > > > the first degree, but now apparently lacking a trigger energy. I also > > > > wondered if transiting Mars aspecting the lunar eclipse point might be > > the > > > > trigger necessary to release the energy of the other planets. Again, > > > > nothing happened. > > > > > > > > The thing is, I *still* think the market is due for a big fall, most > > > likely > > > > in the next two weeks, although other windows are possible. My > problem > > > now > > > > lies in correctly identifying the trigger that will set things in > > motion. > > > > > > > > Just to review my thinking on the two key charts, the Nasdaq and the > > > > Inauguration chart, I want to outline things as I see them. > > > > > > > > In the Nasdaq chart, one of the things that originally caught my eye > was > > > > that the Rahu was in the first degree of Aquarius and Ketu was in the > > > first > > > > degree of Leo. Moreover, the Nasdaq chart entered Ketu dasha in Oct > > 2001 > > > > and is still in Ketu-Ketu. Ketu-Venus starts Feb 27th. So you can > see > > > > that the Uranus ingress/transit into that degree might figure > > prominently > > > > in a larger pattern. Transiting Ketu is also exactly trining its natal > > > > position now that it, too, has moved into the first degree of its > sign. > > > > Tertiary progressed Asc squares progressed Pluto, and minor progressed > > Asc > > > > exactly opposes the Sun. That is potentially important because the > Sun > > is > > > > dispositor of Ketu. > > > > > > > > In the Inauguration chart, one of the stark realities is that > transiting > > > > Saturn is only one degree from the sripati 2nd cusp of wealth. By > > itself, > > > > I admit this isn't that big a deal. But another factor here is that > > > Saturn > > > > stations on Feb 7 and this will increase it's power to do harm to the > > > house > > > > it is transiting. Stations don't exert themselves in a precise way, > but > > > > certainly the week either side of the station can be said to be more > > > > energized than it would otherwise be. Another factor in this chart > that > > I > > > > missed earlier is that tertiary progressed Mercury itself stations > this > > > > month. Houck has written that these progressed stations are far more > > > > important than transit stations and are often linked to larger events > in > > > > the chart. The fact that the Inauguration chart is running Mecury > dasha > > > > makes this progressed station that much more important. Moreover, it > is > > > > presently at 6Aq55, in near exact square to 2nd house Jupiter, karaka > of > > > > wealth, 7Ta26. And just to underline it again, this is a retrograde > > > > station, so it's more likely that there will be reversals in the > affairs > > > > that Mercury influences. > > > > > > > > Another chart I've been researching is the chart for the NYSE itself. > > > > Although subject to some speculation owing to an uncertain "birth" > time, > > I > > > > have tentatively selected May 17 1792 10.30 am LMT New York. This > fits > > > > more or less well with the two most famous events in its history, the > > > > crashes of Oct 1929 and Oct 1987. I'll test it some more with other > > > market > > > > events as I find them. It is currently running Sat-Merc. Sat is > fallen > > > in > > > > the 10H conj Venus and Mercury is retrograde in the 11th with the Sun > > > > aspected by Rahu in Virgo. Not great, but not that bad either. > Mercury > > > is > > > > in a great house for gains, although being retrograde weakens it I > think > > > > and it's dispositor Venus, is with a fallen planet, and a malefic at > > that. > > > > Transiting Saturn is conjunct Mercury in the 11th, a difficult aspect. > > > > Transiting Mercury, meanwhile, in Saturn's sign Capricorn isn't bad on > > the > > > > surface, except for the fact that Saturn is fallen. This might well > > make > > > > Mercury's transit of Saturn's house worse, especially during a > Sat-Merc > > > > period. > > > > > > > > Secondary progressed Moon 24Sc exactly trines natal Uranus on the > > > ascendant > > > > 24Cn, and minor progressed Asc is in a close 2* conjunction with dasha > > > lord > > > > Saturn. This is a bit wide and could be effective anytime in the next > > 4-5 > > > > weeks, however, I think other measures make force a release of this > > energy > > > > in the next week or two. Minor progressed Mercury (BL) squares DL > > Saturn > > > > within one degree and minor progressed Mars exactly conjuncts natal > > Pluto. > > > > The tertiaries are thin, although progressed Mars is squaring its > natal > > > > position in the *2nd* house within one degree orb (although this is > > > > applying and therefore can't be seen as a good timer*) and progressed > MC > > > > exactly opposes the natal part of fortune, in the 12th house in > Gemini, > > > > which is disposited by bhuktie lord Mercury. > > > > > > > > [*Orbs are important when discussing progressions, and introduce the > > > > problem of appropriate triggers. Since one degree orbs are standard > and > > > > the faster planets and angles move about one degree a month, that can > > > > translate into a 3 month window in which any given progressed planet > can > > > be > > > > said to "hit" a natal point or other progressed point. Slower planet > > > hits, > > > > such as Mars tertiary progressions, may be "in orb" for as many as 6 > > > > months. This is another complicating factor one has to take into > > account > > > > when assessing the most likely time for a pattern to be effective.] > > > > > > > > So on balance, I still think a market crash of at least 10% (equal to > > 1000 > > > > Dow points) is most likely in the next two weeks, and I wouldn't be > > > > surprised if it were double that. There is another bad "window" I can > > see > > > > for the last week of March, first week of April as well, and it's > > possible > > > > that nothing will happen until then. So there's my hedge, but it > > doesn't > > > > change my fundamentally bearish view of the markets now. Whenever the > > big > > > > drop comes, it's still not a good time to have a lot of money tied up > in > > > > the markets. > > > > > > > > If I am wrong again, I will have to console myself with the knowledge > > that > > > > it is better to have predicted and been wrong, than never to have > > > predicted > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > As always, comments welcome. I'll post again as events(non-events!) > > > > warrant. > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2002 Report Share Posted February 4, 2002 Dear Ilona What is your definition of a crash? You are using this word loosely and folks reading may assume that you are talking about destruction. The market rather quickly recovered from the "crashes" thus making them not crashes at all. I ask once again, why do so many astrologers invest so much energy in search of destruction rather than creation? Are you an investor? Why are so many folks in other countries so focused upon the US market? I'm sincerely asking. cynthia - <HellmannC200 <gjlist> Monday, February 04, 2002 4:21 AM [GJ] Stock Market Update > Hello Chris, > with interest I`m following your work about stock market, hence I also read > about Houck`s prediction. > My reflection now is whether the event of sept. 11 might already have been > the predicted Wall Street crash. > This shock was much more extreme for the USA than the 2 other crashs, Houck > wrote about. Even the stock market had been closed for some days being the > first time in USA history as far as I`m informed. And the crash has been > followed by a war! And there still will be huge amounts of money to pay. > Also there will be some major insolvences in the future depending on the > crash. > If you can share my thoughts there might be some possibilities why Houck > failed: > 1: Due to some wrong calculation he missed the right date within about 3 > months. > 2. Uranus was only one fact in the former crashes but not the reason. > 3. Might it be possible to trigger an event in advance? > > Do you know the story of the rabbit and the hedgehog? The hedgehog (or his > wife) always cried: I`m already here! > You know, I`m a Houck fan too. But I can`t understand why he should have > missed the event of september otherwise. > So you should perhaps examine all the other planetary constellations which > might have triggerd the two crashes before. > Regards, Ilona > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2002 Report Share Posted February 4, 2002 Dear Ilona It was not taken as offensive, sorry if my message sounded like that. Sincerely, I'm curious about the fascination with the US market. It seems that folks are waiting and hoping for a crash. Again, sincerely, what does a crash mean to you? BTW, I have been asked by folks who read these messages of impending doom or timing of crashes for help with dealing with the fear of such doom. Do you have any insights into why it is fascinating? Again, I did not take offense, I am a sincere student of humanity and am ever fascinated by it. As an astrologer I'm ever fascinated by what astrologers deem worthy of intense focus. Why do you suppose that many astrologers are so interested in destruction rather than construction? Why do you use the word "crash?" Is it simply that destruction gets more attention in the news and so it is easier to say this was a date of destruction rather than this is a time period of construction? cynthia - <HellmannC200 <gjlist> Monday, February 04, 2002 9:20 AM [GJ] Stock Market Update > Cynthia, > though my thoughts have been posted to Chris, who hopefully might not take > them as offensive as you did, I will give you a short answer: no, I am not > an investor and members being longer on this list might know me. > Regards, Ilona > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2002 Report Share Posted February 4, 2002 Dear Cynthia, I really love your posts. Couldn't help but overhear this repartee. As a journalist of 30 odd years, look at the front page of any newspaper and you'll know why people love destruction. It's not only the preserve of astrologists! Love Robyn - "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak <gjlist> Monday, February 04, 2002 6:19 PM Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update > Dear Ilona > > It was not taken as offensive, sorry if my message sounded like that. > Sincerely, I'm curious about the fascination with the US market. It seems > that folks are waiting and hoping for a crash. Again, sincerely, what does > a crash mean to you? BTW, I have been asked by folks who read these > messages of impending doom or timing of crashes for help with dealing with > the fear of such doom. Do you have any insights into why it is fascinating? > > Again, I did not take offense, I am a sincere student of humanity and am > ever fascinated by it. As an astrologer I'm ever fascinated by what > astrologers deem worthy of intense focus. Why do you suppose that many > astrologers are so interested in destruction rather than construction? Why > do you use the word "crash?" Is it simply that destruction gets more > attention in the news and so it is easier to say this was a date of > destruction rather than this is a time period of construction? > > cynthia > - > <HellmannC200 > <gjlist> > Monday, February 04, 2002 9:20 AM > [GJ] Stock Market Update > > > > Cynthia, > > though my thoughts have been posted to Chris, who hopefully might not take > > them as offensive as you did, I will give you a short answer: no, I am not > > an investor and members being longer on this list might know me. > > Regards, Ilona > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2002 Report Share Posted February 4, 2002 Nicholas, At 07:31 AM 2/4/02 +1100, Nicholas wrote: >Dear Christopher >And also there are a bunch of people who will buy as soon as the market >falls .Nonetheless I will predict a slow,small decline for the first six >months of this year .The Rahu Saturn conjunction will make investors >conservative and a little uncertain. >Nicholas Right. Have you made any observations from past conjunctions or are you working deductively here? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2002 Report Share Posted February 4, 2002 Cynthia, See my comments scattered throughout. At 03:28 PM 2/3/02 -0600, cynthia novak wrote: >Another 2 cents worth <grins> > >I thought that Rahu in Mrigashira and in Taurus would stimulate investors to >seek out good deals, and that the Saturnine influence would not really be >felt until May or June when they are more tightly tied. Time will tell. > >Mars with Saturn is a well-known union for business reorganization and down >sizing. I guess you've no need to reference any original or natal charts here. I know some astrologers don't bother with this and can make some useful insights. Have you checked this against previous Rahu transits to Mrigashira? Theory is one thing, but observed data is another. As a rule, I prefer the latter. >> > The Market is a very tricky bugger to predict. It basically is the >> momentum >> > of human response to fear or optimism. Years ago I spoke to a well >known >> > and often cited Wall Street astrologer. He was kind and sent me his >> > newsletter. To my surprise it was based upon very simple principles. >> I've >> > learned to trust those as the people as a whole respond to the >placements >> in >> > the heavens. So, when a huge event like 9-11 happens and the planets >are >> in >> > a fearful nak. and the planets triggered are innately volatile then you >> have >> > a large decline. But those planets move and things climb. We must >> always >> > take into consideration that safeguards have been placed on the market >> since >> > the 20's crash and even after the Oct. '87 fall. So the Market is >propped >> > up to support it against the obvious twists and turns. Perhaps the >chart >> > should be erected since those stop-gap measures where implemented in >'87. >> > Incaseyou are not aware of it, there are safeguards in place where the >> > computers will shut down (I may not be describing it accurately) and so >> > avoid a massive run on the market. Yes, I'm aware of the circuit breakers, as they are known. It's really going to be interesting they will work when faced with massive selling pressure. I don't think they will prevent another crash, just perhaps moderate the pace of the decline and prevent breakdown of the computer system. That is what they were designed to do. The problems with the 87 crash was that the "ticker" was hours late and wasn't a reliable source of trading information. This disadvantaged traders who weren't on the floor and didn't know what was really going on. Prices that appeared for certain stocks turned out to be hours out of date and quite useless. The circuit breakers therefore attempt to keep the playing field level for as many market players as possible. I'll let members who are more familiar with the particularities give the full story about them. >> > >> > I would also suggest the you were right about the economic issues from >the >> > inauguration chart. Look around, it wasn't the market but the huge >Enron >> > debacle and the VP's refusal to make meetings with big-energy are >causing >> a >> > bit of a strain and who knows where that will go. "Economic issues" have to do with the economy as a whole, not Enron or raging oil men in control. They are symptoms, and if things get worse, then, yes they will make the recession worse. So if the economy looks bad in the Inauguration chart, then I would really look for negative growth and higher unemployment in addition to the decline of stock prices. I wonder also about >the >> > use of the Inaug. chart. I told you that I didn't have good success >with >> it >> > either. I tried to use it early last year and found that while it does >> > indeed appear ominous, it is about the administration more than the >> country >> > as a whole. >> > I disagree here, but time will tell, I guess. >> > Anyway, as I said before, I admire anyone who has the courage to put his >> > name out there and not be afraid to say that it is a great experiment. >I >> > like to always state up front that I might be wrong in case there are >> folks >> > out there who would blindly assume that I am right and be filled with >> fear. >> > I even have a sneaking suspicion that the creator set it up that >> astrologers >> > will ever be humbled by the events that appear to be so certain. We >live >> in >> > a world of change and evolution that makes it innately slippery to >> predict. >> > In my opinion, that is a good thing <grins> Double grin! Chris >> > cynthia >> > - >> > Christopher Kevill <ckevill >> > <muruga>; <siderealastrology; >> > <jyotish-list; <gjlist>; >> > <astrophecy> >> > Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:30 PM >> > [GJ] Stock Market Update >> > >> > >> > > Friends, >> > > >> > > Well, Jan 28th has come and gone, and not much has changed in the >> markets. >> > > There was a big drop on Tuesday, but it only amounted to 2.5% on the >Dow >> > > Jones. No big deal really. Obviously, it's back to the drawing board >> for >> > > yours truly. However, after I went back to the drawing board I found >> the >> > > same configuration staring me in the face. So what went wrong? >> > > >> > > I think the hardest thing for me (or most astrologers?) to figure out >> are >> > > "triggers". These are usually transiting planets that set off the >> larger >> > > configuration of slow moving planets, progressions, and dashas. A >> native >> > > may enter a good dasha or bhuktie period, but when will the results of >> the >> > > good planet fructify? This problem is perhaps best thought of as a >> > typical >> > > clock with 3 hands, for hours, minutes, and seconds and an alarm hand >> set >> > > for a certain time. The trigger is the "seconds" hand when it reaches >a >> > > point where is pushes the other two slower-moving hands into >> "conjunction" >> > > with the alarm hand. Following Richard Houck, I thought that the >> ingress >> > > of Uranus into Aquarius on the 28th would do the trick. It had, after >> > all, >> > > been the apparent trigger in its two previous ingresses. Not so this >> > time, >> > > at least, not in an exact sense. Uranus has now moved to 00Aq25, still >> in >> > > the first degree, but now apparently lacking a trigger energy. I also >> > > wondered if transiting Mars aspecting the lunar eclipse point might be >> the >> > > trigger necessary to release the energy of the other planets. Again, >> > > nothing happened. >> > > >> > > The thing is, I *still* think the market is due for a big fall, most >> > likely >> > > in the next two weeks, although other windows are possible. My >problem >> > now >> > > lies in correctly identifying the trigger that will set things in >> motion. >> > > >> > > Just to review my thinking on the two key charts, the Nasdaq and the >> > > Inauguration chart, I want to outline things as I see them. >> > > >> > > In the Nasdaq chart, one of the things that originally caught my eye >was >> > > that the Rahu was in the first degree of Aquarius and Ketu was in the >> > first >> > > degree of Leo. Moreover, the Nasdaq chart entered Ketu dasha in Oct >> 2001 >> > > and is still in Ketu-Ketu. Ketu-Venus starts Feb 27th. So you can >see >> > > that the Uranus ingress/transit into that degree might figure >> prominently >> > > in a larger pattern. Transiting Ketu is also exactly trining its natal >> > > position now that it, too, has moved into the first degree of its >sign. >> > > Tertiary progressed Asc squares progressed Pluto, and minor progressed >> Asc >> > > exactly opposes the Sun. That is potentially important because the >Sun >> is >> > > dispositor of Ketu. >> > > >> > > In the Inauguration chart, one of the stark realities is that >transiting >> > > Saturn is only one degree from the sripati 2nd cusp of wealth. By >> itself, >> > > I admit this isn't that big a deal. But another factor here is that >> > Saturn >> > > stations on Feb 7 and this will increase it's power to do harm to the >> > house >> > > it is transiting. Stations don't exert themselves in a precise way, >but >> > > certainly the week either side of the station can be said to be more >> > > energized than it would otherwise be. Another factor in this chart >that >> I >> > > missed earlier is that tertiary progressed Mercury itself stations >this >> > > month. Houck has written that these progressed stations are far more >> > > important than transit stations and are often linked to larger events >in >> > > the chart. The fact that the Inauguration chart is running Mecury >dasha >> > > makes this progressed station that much more important. Moreover, it >is >> > > presently at 6Aq55, in near exact square to 2nd house Jupiter, karaka >of >> > > wealth, 7Ta26. And just to underline it again, this is a retrograde >> > > station, so it's more likely that there will be reversals in the >affairs >> > > that Mercury influences. >> > > >> > > Another chart I've been researching is the chart for the NYSE itself. >> > > Although subject to some speculation owing to an uncertain "birth" >time, >> I >> > > have tentatively selected May 17 1792 10.30 am LMT New York. This >fits >> > > more or less well with the two most famous events in its history, the >> > > crashes of Oct 1929 and Oct 1987. I'll test it some more with other >> > market >> > > events as I find them. It is currently running Sat-Merc. Sat is >fallen >> > in >> > > the 10H conj Venus and Mercury is retrograde in the 11th with the Sun >> > > aspected by Rahu in Virgo. Not great, but not that bad either. >Mercury >> > is >> > > in a great house for gains, although being retrograde weakens it I >think >> > > and it's dispositor Venus, is with a fallen planet, and a malefic at >> that. >> > > Transiting Saturn is conjunct Mercury in the 11th, a difficult aspect. >> > > Transiting Mercury, meanwhile, in Saturn's sign Capricorn isn't bad on >> the >> > > surface, except for the fact that Saturn is fallen. This might well >> make >> > > Mercury's transit of Saturn's house worse, especially during a >Sat-Merc >> > > period. >> > > >> > > Secondary progressed Moon 24Sc exactly trines natal Uranus on the >> > ascendant >> > > 24Cn, and minor progressed Asc is in a close 2* conjunction with dasha >> > lord >> > > Saturn. This is a bit wide and could be effective anytime in the next >> 4-5 >> > > weeks, however, I think other measures make force a release of this >> energy >> > > in the next week or two. Minor progressed Mercury (BL) squares DL >> Saturn >> > > within one degree and minor progressed Mars exactly conjuncts natal >> Pluto. >> > > The tertiaries are thin, although progressed Mars is squaring its >natal >> > > position in the *2nd* house within one degree orb (although this is >> > > applying and therefore can't be seen as a good timer*) and progressed >MC >> > > exactly opposes the natal part of fortune, in the 12th house in >Gemini, >> > > which is disposited by bhuktie lord Mercury. >> > > >> > > [*Orbs are important when discussing progressions, and introduce the >> > > problem of appropriate triggers. Since one degree orbs are standard >and >> > > the faster planets and angles move about one degree a month, that can >> > > translate into a 3 month window in which any given progressed planet >can >> > be >> > > said to "hit" a natal point or other progressed point. Slower planet >> > hits, >> > > such as Mars tertiary progressions, may be "in orb" for as many as 6 >> > > months. This is another complicating factor one has to take into >> account >> > > when assessing the most likely time for a pattern to be effective.] >> > > >> > > So on balance, I still think a market crash of at least 10% (equal to >> 1000 >> > > Dow points) is most likely in the next two weeks, and I wouldn't be >> > > surprised if it were double that. There is another bad "window" I can >> see >> > > for the last week of March, first week of April as well, and it's >> possible >> > > that nothing will happen until then. So there's my hedge, but it >> doesn't >> > > change my fundamentally bearish view of the markets now. Whenever the >> big >> > > drop comes, it's still not a good time to have a lot of money tied up >in >> > > the markets. >> > > >> > > If I am wrong again, I will have to console myself with the knowledge >> that >> > > it is better to have predicted and been wrong, than never to have >> > predicted >> > > at all! >> > > >> > > As always, comments welcome. I'll post again as events(non-events!) >> > > warrant. >> > > >> > > Chris >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >> > > : gjlist- >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Your use of is subject to >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >> > : gjlist- >> > >> > >> > >> > Your use of is subject to > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >> : gjlist- >> >> >> >> Your use of is subject to >> >> >> > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2002 Report Share Posted February 4, 2002 Nicholas, At 09:33 AM 2/4/02 +1100, Nicholas wrote: >Dear Cynthia >We are getting a good range of opinions here >Previous Rahu Saturn conjunctions 56,68 and 80 were not so good for the >stock market . I think we need to be careful about specifics here. I checked my Dow chart for 1956 and see that the Dow was basically flat (no change) that year. 1968 was actually an up year for the market. 1980 wasn't that bad either, although I think it dropped a bit. Perhaps we can test the actual months of the Rahu Saturn conjunctions and get a more accurate sense of it. Chris >1991 was a recession year but the stop market went OK against a back drop of >very high interest rates >So are you predicting a rise over the next five months as a result of better >prospects for business ? >Nicholas >- >"cynthia novak" <c.a.novak ><gjlist>; <siderealastrology; ><jyotish-list; <astrophecy> >Monday, February 04, 2002 8:28 AM >Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update > > >> Another 2 cents worth <grins> >> >> I thought that Rahu in Mrigashira and in Taurus would stimulate investors >to >> seek out good deals, and that the Saturnine influence would not really be >> felt until May or June when they are more tightly tied. Time will tell. >> >> Mars with Saturn is a well-known union for business reorganization and >down >> sizing. >> >> cynthia >> - >> Nicholas <jyotish108 >> <gjlist>; <siderealastrology; >> <jyotish-list; <astrophecy> >> Sunday, February 03, 2002 2:31 PM >> Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update >> >> >> > Dear Christopher >> > And also there are a bunch of people who will buy as soon as the market >> > falls .Nonetheless I will predict a slow,small decline for the first six >> > months of this year .The Rahu Saturn conjunction will make investors >> > conservative and a little uncertain. >> > Nicholas >> > - >> > "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak >> > <gjlist>; <siderealastrology; >> > <jyotish-list; <astrophecy> >> > Monday, February 04, 2002 6:55 AM >> > Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update >> > >> > >> > > Dear Chris >> > > >> > > The Market is a very tricky bugger to predict. It basically is the >> > momentum >> > > of human response to fear or optimism. Years ago I spoke to a well >> known >> > > and often cited Wall Street astrologer. He was kind and sent me his >> > > newsletter. To my surprise it was based upon very simple principles. >> > I've >> > > learned to trust those as the people as a whole respond to the >> placements >> > in >> > > the heavens. So, when a huge event like 9-11 happens and the planets >> are >> > in >> > > a fearful nak. and the planets triggered are innately volatile then >you >> > have >> > > a large decline. But those planets move and things climb. We must >> > always >> > > take into consideration that safeguards have been placed on the market >> > since >> > > the 20's crash and even after the Oct. '87 fall. So the Market is >> propped >> > > up to support it against the obvious twists and turns. Perhaps the >> chart >> > > should be erected since those stop-gap measures where implemented in >> '87. >> > > Incaseyou are not aware of it, there are safeguards in place where the >> > > computers will shut down (I may not be describing it accurately) and >so >> > > avoid a massive run on the market. >> > > >> > > I would also suggest the you were right about the economic issues from >> the >> > > inauguration chart. Look around, it wasn't the market but the huge >> Enron >> > > debacle and the VP's refusal to make meetings with big-energy are >> causing >> > a >> > > bit of a strain and who knows where that will go. I wonder also about >> the >> > > use of the Inaug. chart. I told you that I didn't have good success >> with >> > it >> > > either. I tried to use it early last year and found that while it >does >> > > indeed appear ominous, it is about the administration more than the >> > country >> > > as a whole. >> > > >> > > Anyway, as I said before, I admire anyone who has the courage to put >his >> > > name out there and not be afraid to say that it is a great experiment. >> I >> > > like to always state up front that I might be wrong in case there are >> > folks >> > > out there who would blindly assume that I am right and be filled with >> > fear. >> > > I even have a sneaking suspicion that the creator set it up that >> > astrologers >> > > will ever be humbled by the events that appear to be so certain. We >> live >> > in >> > > a world of change and evolution that makes it innately slippery to >> > predict. >> > > In my opinion, that is a good thing <grins> >> > > cynthia >> > > - >> > > Christopher Kevill <ckevill >> > > <muruga>; <siderealastrology; >> > > <jyotish-list; <gjlist>; >> > > <astrophecy> >> > > Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:30 PM >> > > [GJ] Stock Market Update >> > > >> > > >> > > > Friends, >> > > > >> > > > Well, Jan 28th has come and gone, and not much has changed in the >> > markets. >> > > > There was a big drop on Tuesday, but it only amounted to 2.5% on the >> Dow >> > > > Jones. No big deal really. Obviously, it's back to the drawing >board >> > for >> > > > yours truly. However, after I went back to the drawing board I >found >> > the >> > > > same configuration staring me in the face. So what went wrong? >> > > > >> > > > I think the hardest thing for me (or most astrologers?) to figure >out >> > are >> > > > "triggers". These are usually transiting planets that set off the >> > larger >> > > > configuration of slow moving planets, progressions, and dashas. A >> > native >> > > > may enter a good dasha or bhuktie period, but when will the results >of >> > the >> > > > good planet fructify? This problem is perhaps best thought of as a >> > > typical >> > > > clock with 3 hands, for hours, minutes, and seconds and an alarm >hand >> > set >> > > > for a certain time. The trigger is the "seconds" hand when it >reaches >> a >> > > > point where is pushes the other two slower-moving hands into >> > "conjunction" >> > > > with the alarm hand. Following Richard Houck, I thought that the >> > ingress >> > > > of Uranus into Aquarius on the 28th would do the trick. It had, >after >> > > all, >> > > > been the apparent trigger in its two previous ingresses. Not so >this >> > > time, >> > > > at least, not in an exact sense. Uranus has now moved to 00Aq25, >still >> > in >> > > > the first degree, but now apparently lacking a trigger energy. I >also >> > > > wondered if transiting Mars aspecting the lunar eclipse point might >be >> > the >> > > > trigger necessary to release the energy of the other planets. >Again, >> > > > nothing happened. >> > > > >> > > > The thing is, I *still* think the market is due for a big fall, most >> > > likely >> > > > in the next two weeks, although other windows are possible. My >> problem >> > > now >> > > > lies in correctly identifying the trigger that will set things in >> > motion. >> > > > >> > > > Just to review my thinking on the two key charts, the Nasdaq and the >> > > > Inauguration chart, I want to outline things as I see them. >> > > > >> > > > In the Nasdaq chart, one of the things that originally caught my eye >> was >> > > > that the Rahu was in the first degree of Aquarius and Ketu was in >the >> > > first >> > > > degree of Leo. Moreover, the Nasdaq chart entered Ketu dasha in Oct >> > 2001 >> > > > and is still in Ketu-Ketu. Ketu-Venus starts Feb 27th. So you can >> see >> > > > that the Uranus ingress/transit into that degree might figure >> > prominently >> > > > in a larger pattern. Transiting Ketu is also exactly trining its >natal >> > > > position now that it, too, has moved into the first degree of its >> sign. >> > > > Tertiary progressed Asc squares progressed Pluto, and minor >progressed >> > Asc >> > > > exactly opposes the Sun. That is potentially important because the >> Sun >> > is >> > > > dispositor of Ketu. >> > > > >> > > > In the Inauguration chart, one of the stark realities is that >> transiting >> > > > Saturn is only one degree from the sripati 2nd cusp of wealth. By >> > itself, >> > > > I admit this isn't that big a deal. But another factor here is that >> > > Saturn >> > > > stations on Feb 7 and this will increase it's power to do harm to >the >> > > house >> > > > it is transiting. Stations don't exert themselves in a precise way, >> but >> > > > certainly the week either side of the station can be said to be more >> > > > energized than it would otherwise be. Another factor in this chart >> that >> > I >> > > > missed earlier is that tertiary progressed Mercury itself stations >> this >> > > > month. Houck has written that these progressed stations are far >more >> > > > important than transit stations and are often linked to larger >events >> in >> > > > the chart. The fact that the Inauguration chart is running Mecury >> dasha >> > > > makes this progressed station that much more important. Moreover, >it >> is >> > > > presently at 6Aq55, in near exact square to 2nd house Jupiter, >karaka >> of >> > > > wealth, 7Ta26. And just to underline it again, this is a retrograde >> > > > station, so it's more likely that there will be reversals in the >> affairs >> > > > that Mercury influences. >> > > > >> > > > Another chart I've been researching is the chart for the NYSE >itself. >> > > > Although subject to some speculation owing to an uncertain "birth" >> time, >> > I >> > > > have tentatively selected May 17 1792 10.30 am LMT New York. This >> fits >> > > > more or less well with the two most famous events in its history, >the >> > > > crashes of Oct 1929 and Oct 1987. I'll test it some more with other >> > > market >> > > > events as I find them. It is currently running Sat-Merc. Sat is >> fallen >> > > in >> > > > the 10H conj Venus and Mercury is retrograde in the 11th with the >Sun >> > > > aspected by Rahu in Virgo. Not great, but not that bad either. >> Mercury >> > > is >> > > > in a great house for gains, although being retrograde weakens it I >> think >> > > > and it's dispositor Venus, is with a fallen planet, and a malefic at >> > that. >> > > > Transiting Saturn is conjunct Mercury in the 11th, a difficult >aspect. >> > > > Transiting Mercury, meanwhile, in Saturn's sign Capricorn isn't bad >on >> > the >> > > > surface, except for the fact that Saturn is fallen. This might well >> > make >> > > > Mercury's transit of Saturn's house worse, especially during a >> Sat-Merc >> > > > period. >> > > > >> > > > Secondary progressed Moon 24Sc exactly trines natal Uranus on the >> > > ascendant >> > > > 24Cn, and minor progressed Asc is in a close 2* conjunction with >dasha >> > > lord >> > > > Saturn. This is a bit wide and could be effective anytime in the >next >> > 4-5 >> > > > weeks, however, I think other measures make force a release of this >> > energy >> > > > in the next week or two. Minor progressed Mercury (BL) squares DL >> > Saturn >> > > > within one degree and minor progressed Mars exactly conjuncts natal >> > Pluto. >> > > > The tertiaries are thin, although progressed Mars is squaring its >> natal >> > > > position in the *2nd* house within one degree orb (although this is >> > > > applying and therefore can't be seen as a good timer*) and >progressed >> MC >> > > > exactly opposes the natal part of fortune, in the 12th house in >> Gemini, >> > > > which is disposited by bhuktie lord Mercury. >> > > > >> > > > [*Orbs are important when discussing progressions, and introduce the >> > > > problem of appropriate triggers. Since one degree orbs are standard >> and >> > > > the faster planets and angles move about one degree a month, that >can >> > > > translate into a 3 month window in which any given progressed planet >> can >> > > be >> > > > said to "hit" a natal point or other progressed point. Slower >planet >> > > hits, >> > > > such as Mars tertiary progressions, may be "in orb" for as many as >6 >> > > > months. This is another complicating factor one has to take into >> > account >> > > > when assessing the most likely time for a pattern to be effective.] >> > > > >> > > > So on balance, I still think a market crash of at least 10% (equal >to >> > 1000 >> > > > Dow points) is most likely in the next two weeks, and I wouldn't be >> > > > surprised if it were double that. There is another bad "window" I >can >> > see >> > > > for the last week of March, first week of April as well, and it's >> > possible >> > > > that nothing will happen until then. So there's my hedge, but it >> > doesn't >> > > > change my fundamentally bearish view of the markets now. Whenever >the >> > big >> > > > drop comes, it's still not a good time to have a lot of money tied >up >> in >> > > > the markets. >> > > > >> > > > If I am wrong again, I will have to console myself with the >knowledge >> > that >> > > > it is better to have predicted and been wrong, than never to have >> > > predicted >> > > > at all! >> > > > >> > > > As always, comments welcome. I'll post again as events(non-events!) >> > > > warrant. >> > > > >> > > > Chris >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >> > > > : gjlist- >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Your use of is subject to >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >> > > : gjlist- >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Your use of is subject to >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >> > : gjlist- >> > >> > >> > >> > Your use of is subject to > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >> : gjlist- >> >> >> >> Your use of is subject to >> >> >> > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2002 Report Share Posted February 4, 2002 Hi Ilona, At 11:21 AM 2/4/02 +0100, HellmannC200 wrote: >Hello Chris, >with interest I`m following your work about stock market, hence I also read >about Houck`s prediction. >My reflection now is whether the event of sept. 11 might already have been >the predicted Wall Street crash. >This shock was much more extreme for the USA than the 2 other crashs, Houck >wrote about. Even the stock market had been closed for some days being the >first time in USA history as far as I`m informed. And the crash has been >followed by a war! And there still will be huge amounts of money to pay. >Also there will be some major insolvences in the future depending on the >crash. >If you can share my thoughts there might be some possibilities why Houck >failed: >1: Due to some wrong calculation he missed the right date within about 3 >months. I don't think so. One of the pillars of the prediction was the Uranus ingress, and this didn't happen until last week. >2. Uranus was only one fact in the former crashes but not the reason. I think this is correct. Of course, there is no single "reason" but rather an interconnected web of reasons that work together to produce a result. So Uranus was always one factor, although perhaps Houck gave it too much "trigger importance". It may well turn out to be an important reason if the crash does takes place, only not something that is reliable down to a certain date. >3. Might it be possible to trigger an event in advance? > >Do you know the story of the rabbit and the hedgehog? The hedgehog (or his >wife) always cried: I`m already here! >You know, I`m a Houck fan too. But I can`t understand why he should have >missed the event of september otherwise. Well, I don't know -- he may well have predicted Sep 11 to his closest clients. He wasn't in the habit of casually publishing his predictions. He did a thorough job of updating his website during the presidential race, but that was a bit unusual. This stock market prediction was something he made years ago and he sort of just stuck into one of his self-published books. I wasn't close enough to him to hear what he thought about other economic and political developments. >So you should perhaps examine all the other planetary constellations which >might have triggerd the two crashes before. I've done so, and found there to be significant patterns using some of the same techniques I've mentioned here. That's why I thought I had to talk about this stuff. It wasn't just that Rick mentioned a Uranus ingress and a crash for late January, therefore I would broadcast it, too. Once I starting looking at the charts concerned, I could see other, more conventional reasons for some significant event that would likely bring the market down. I'll try to post them soon so members can look them over and compare. best, Chris >Regards, Ilona > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2002 Report Share Posted February 4, 2002 Cynthia, Hope you don't mind me butting in here, but there are some good questions here. At 09:08 AM 2/4/02 -0600, cynthia novak wrote: >Dear Ilona > >What is your definition of a crash? > >You are using this word loosely and folks reading may assume that you are >talking about destruction. The market rather quickly recovered from the >"crashes" thus making them not crashes at all. I don't think there's any standard definition of a crash, although it's worth noting that the most famous crash of them all, Black Tuesday, Oct 29, 1929, the Dow fell 12% in one day. Doesn't sound like much really, but at the time it had a huge psychological impact, especially since the market started a long descent and lost 89% of its value in the next 3 years. The 1987 crash saw a drop of over 20% and was equally significant in the short run, although as time went on, the market recovered. In some sense, history writes the story of how a big drop will be remembered. The end of the tech bubble came on April 14 2000, according to popular wisdom (see story in The New Yorker, Jan 14 2002) with "Black Friday". Maybe big days on the market are determined by the ability of traders to name them. That day the Dow fell about 600 points (less than 6%) and the Nasdaq 355 points (about 8%). These weren't "crashes", but they were big drops nonetheless and most importantly signalled the end of the bubble economy. We're being going downhill ever since. I think a crash is more than 10% drop in a day, but it really isn't a crash unless it's fairly shocking, even traumatic. It will register even more deeply in the public psyche if it is followed by further losses. > >I ask once again, why do so many astrologers invest so much energy in search >of destruction rather than creation? Are you an investor? Why are so many >folks in other countries so focused upon the US market? I think many of us are warped, depressed, and eager to see others more successful than us brought to heel. But seriously folks...The reason why drops are more compelling than say, rises, is I think 1) they are more easily seen in the charts and 2) the nature of markets themselves: declines occur more more quickly and more suddently than rises. Bull markets last 3 times longer on average than bear markets. Bull markets slowly climb the "wall of worry", while bear markets are seen by everyone running for the exits at the same time. Chris > >I'm sincerely asking. > >cynthia > > >- ><HellmannC200 ><gjlist> >Monday, February 04, 2002 4:21 AM >[GJ] Stock Market Update > > >> Hello Chris, >> with interest I`m following your work about stock market, hence I also >read >> about Houck`s prediction. >> My reflection now is whether the event of sept. 11 might already have been >> the predicted Wall Street crash. >> This shock was much more extreme for the USA than the 2 other crashs, >Houck >> wrote about. Even the stock market had been closed for some days being the >> first time in USA history as far as I`m informed. And the crash has been >> followed by a war! And there still will be huge amounts of money to pay. >> Also there will be some major insolvences in the future depending on the >> crash. >> If you can share my thoughts there might be some possibilities why Houck >> failed: >> 1: Due to some wrong calculation he missed the right date within about 3 >> months. >> 2. Uranus was only one fact in the former crashes but not the reason. >> 3. Might it be possible to trigger an event in advance? >> >> Do you know the story of the rabbit and the hedgehog? The hedgehog (or his >> wife) always cried: I`m already here! >> You know, I`m a Houck fan too. But I can`t understand why he should have >> missed the event of september otherwise. >> So you should perhaps examine all the other planetary constellations which >> might have triggerd the two crashes before. >> Regards, Ilona >> >> >> >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >> : gjlist- >> >> >> >> Your use of is subject to >> >> > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2002 Report Share Posted February 4, 2002 Dear Chris That piece of data I presented was wrong .Checking my historical series on the Dow 56 ,68 and 80 were all good years .I would say I'm predicting when I say the stellium will make investors a little uncertain and therefore the rises will come in the latter half of the year .Rahu Saturn conjunctions in natal charts seems to be associated with strange actions so I think at the time of the conjunction we will see some strange actions performed somewhere in the world which will disturb confidence. So many planets close together make things a bit murky . So in answer to your question I am working deductively . Nicholas - "Christopher Kevill" <ckevill <gjlist> Tuesday, February 05, 2002 6:44 AM Re: [GJ] Stock Market Update > Nicholas, > > At 07:31 AM 2/4/02 +1100, Nicholas wrote: > >Dear Christopher > >And also there are a bunch of people who will buy as soon as the market > >falls .Nonetheless I will predict a slow,small decline for the first six > >months of this year .The Rahu Saturn conjunction will make investors > >conservative and a little uncertain. > >Nicholas > > > Right. Have you made any observations from past conjunctions or are you > working deductively here? > > Chris > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2002 Report Share Posted February 4, 2002 Please Ilona You did not offend me! Honest <big grins> It seems that I have offended you and did not in any way mean to. I hope that one day I am as proficient in another language as you are. Sometimes my Mercury Mars union comes across as an attack when it is merely curious. cynthia - <HellmannC200 <gjlist> Monday, February 04, 2002 11:35 AM [GJ] Stock Market Update > Dear Cynthia, > in fact I am not fascinated by money and market but only wanted to ask Chris > whether he could imagine if the event of september 11. might already have > been the crash (sorry, but Houck uses this word in his sidereal ephemeris) > prognosted by Houck for January 25. > I`m asking this because I discussed the possibility with my husband. > > Therefore I can really not understand why I offended you. Might be it is > because people "of other countries" do not always find the right expression > and there surely will be a more adequate word for crash perhaps it`s > dropping or something like that. So take it as it is and keep in mind that I > could explain it better in german. > Kind regards, Ilona > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2002 Report Share Posted February 5, 2002 Thank you, Chris, your answer will help my understanding. Cynthia, it`s OK. Best wishes , Ilona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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