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Dear Partha

Can non esteemed members answer ?

Nicholas

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Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:59 PM

[GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

 

 

> dear friends

>

> i want the opinio of esteemed members regarding the karaka for ego.

> Is it sun or is it rahu.

>

> regards

> partha

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>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

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dear nicholas

 

for the benifit of the members i am rephrasing my statement, could

any kind person, or non-kind, could any jovial or non-joival, could

any merciful or non-merciful, could any esteemed or non esteemed

person, could any self respecting or non-self respecting, could any

male or female answer my simple question

 

who is ego??

sun or rahu.

 

regards

partha

 

 

 

 

 

 

gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> Dear Partha

> Can non esteemed members answer ?

> Nicholas

> -

> "partvinu5" <partvinu5>

> <gjlist>

> Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:59 PM

> [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

>

>

> > dear friends

> >

> > i want the opinio of esteemed members regarding the karaka for

ego.

> > Is it sun or is it rahu.

> >

> > regards

> > partha

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-@e...

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

> >

> >

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Dear Partha

Ego means identity and so there is a real identity as spirit and a false

identity as matter which may cause one to identify as esteemed or

non-esteemed ,male or female ,jovial or non jovial ,self respecting or non

self respecting,kind or non kind,merciful or non merciful .

Sun represents the ego .Generally a strong Sun in Aries or Leo will give a

strong sense of self which may have the down side of pride .Sun in Libra

gives a weaker sense of identity which often comes with an upside of

humility .The ability to clearly distinguish one's identity often comes with

a certain pride but still that would seem preferable to a vague sense of

identity .

 

Rahu who was an asura tried to deceive his enemy the devas that he was one

of them (misidentification) and thus he causes illusion around the areas of

the chart that he influences by presence,conjunction or aspect .

 

When one is free from illusion (maya) then his /her real identity is

revealed . So it is best if Rahu is not prominent in the chart since then

the grip of illusion is less and then one can discover one's real ego .

Hope this helps although coming from a non-esteemed member

Nicholas

 

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"partvinu5" <partvinu5

<gjlist>

Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:20 PM

Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

 

 

> dear nicholas

>

> for the benifit of the members i am rephrasing my statement, could

> any kind person, or non-kind, could any jovial or non-joival, could

> any merciful or non-merciful, could any esteemed or non esteemed

> person, could any self respecting or non-self respecting, could any

> male or female answer my simple question

>

> who is ego??

> sun or rahu.

>

> regards

> partha

gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Partha

> > Can non esteemed members answer ?

> > Nicholas

 

>> > > dear friends

> > >

> > > i want the opinio of esteemed members regarding the karaka for

> ego.

> > > Is it sun or is it rahu.

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dear nicholas

 

of course u are not non-esteemed member, you are very good and

contribute a lot.

 

okay, now here is the other side of the coin. Sun is the soul of a

person which is indestructible and uncrushable. Finally after all the

trials and tribulation it reaches god.

 

Sun may not represent ego as it is the soul and soul is very much

different from the body that we are having. The senses that we have

and the senses that control are subjective to the conditions

prevailing in this world. The maya that we are good or bad, great or

humble, merciful or non-merciful is created by rahu.

 

Rahu creates misplaced notions and misplaced pride in a person. Rahu

denotes the persons so called success or failure, status etc.

 

So the ego of a person is due to rahu and not sun.

 

regards

parha

 

 

 

 

 

gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> Dear Partha

> Ego means identity and so there is a real identity as spirit and a

false

> identity as matter which may cause one to identify as esteemed or

> non-esteemed ,male or female ,jovial or non jovial ,self respecting

or non

> self respecting,kind or non kind,merciful or non merciful .

> Sun represents the ego .Generally a strong Sun in Aries or Leo will

give a

> strong sense of self which may have the down side of pride .Sun in

Libra

> gives a weaker sense of identity which often comes with an upside of

> humility .The ability to clearly distinguish one's identity often

comes with

> a certain pride but still that would seem preferable to a vague

sense of

> identity .

>

> Rahu who was an asura tried to deceive his enemy the devas that he

was one

> of them (misidentification) and thus he causes illusion around the

areas of

> the chart that he influences by presence,conjunction or aspect .

>

> When one is free from illusion (maya) then his /her real identity is

> revealed . So it is best if Rahu is not prominent in the chart

since then

> the grip of illusion is less and then one can discover one's real

ego .

> Hope this helps although coming from a non-esteemed member

> Nicholas

>

> -

> "partvinu5" <partvinu5>

> <gjlist>

> Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:20 PM

> Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

>

>

> > dear nicholas

> >

> > for the benifit of the members i am rephrasing my statement, could

> > any kind person, or non-kind, could any jovial or non-joival,

could

> > any merciful or non-merciful, could any esteemed or non esteemed

> > person, could any self respecting or non-self respecting, could

any

> > male or female answer my simple question

> >

> > who is ego??

> > sun or rahu.

> >

> > regards

> > partha

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> > > Dear Partha

> > > Can non esteemed members answer ?

> > > Nicholas

>

> >> > > dear friends

> > > >

> > > > i want the opinio of esteemed members regarding the karaka for

> > ego.

> > > > Is it sun or is it rahu.

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Dear Nikolas and Partha,

 

As a Leo lagna with exalted Sun in Aries/9th (almost on the degree) and by

knowing a few othes with the same, I totally confirm Nikolas writing to be very

near reality (at least up to a certain age).

 

Kind regards

 

Jay Weiss

 

 

 

-

"Nicholas" <jyotish108

<gjlist>

Cc: <muruga>

Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:52 AM

Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

 

 

> Dear Partha

> Ego means identity and so there is a real identity as spirit and a false

> identity as matter which may cause one to identify as esteemed or

> non-esteemed ,male or female ,jovial or non jovial ,self respecting or non

> self respecting,kind or non kind,merciful or non merciful .

> Sun represents the ego .Generally a strong Sun in Aries or Leo will give a

> strong sense of self which may have the down side of pride .Sun in Libra

> gives a weaker sense of identity which often comes with an upside of

> humility .The ability to clearly distinguish one's identity often comes with

> a certain pride but still that would seem preferable to a vague sense of

> identity .

>

> Rahu who was an asura tried to deceive his enemy the devas that he was one

> of them (misidentification) and thus he causes illusion around the areas of

> the chart that he influences by presence,conjunction or aspect .

>

> When one is free from illusion (maya) then his /her real identity is

> revealed . So it is best if Rahu is not prominent in the chart since then

> the grip of illusion is less and then one can discover one's real ego .

> Hope this helps although coming from a non-esteemed member

> Nicholas

>

> -

> "partvinu5" <partvinu5

> <gjlist>

> Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:20 PM

> Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

>

>

> > dear nicholas

> >

> > for the benifit of the members i am rephrasing my statement, could

> > any kind person, or non-kind, could any jovial or non-joival, could

> > any merciful or non-merciful, could any esteemed or non esteemed

> > person, could any self respecting or non-self respecting, could any

> > male or female answer my simple question

> >

> > who is ego??

> > sun or rahu.

> >

> > regards

> > partha

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> > > Dear Partha

> > > Can non esteemed members answer ?

> > > Nicholas

>

> >> > > dear friends

> > > >

> > > > i want the opinio of esteemed members regarding the karaka for

> > ego.

> > > > Is it sun or is it rahu.

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

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dear jay weiss

 

where is ur rahu.

 

regards

partha

 

 

 

 

 

gjlist, "partvinu5" <partvinu5> wrote:

> dear nicholas

>

> of course u are not non-esteemed member, you are very good and

> contribute a lot.

>

> okay, now here is the other side of the coin. Sun is the soul of a

> person which is indestructible and uncrushable. Finally after all

the

> trials and tribulation it reaches god.

>

> Sun may not represent ego as it is the soul and soul is very much

> different from the body that we are having. The senses that we have

> and the senses that control are subjective to the conditions

> prevailing in this world. The maya that we are good or bad, great

or

> humble, merciful or non-merciful is created by rahu.

>

> Rahu creates misplaced notions and misplaced pride in a person.

Rahu

> denotes the persons so called success or failure, status etc.

>

> So the ego of a person is due to rahu and not sun.

>

> regards

> parha

>

>

>

>

>

> gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Partha

> > Ego means identity and so there is a real identity as spirit and

a

> false

> > identity as matter which may cause one to identify as esteemed or

> > non-esteemed ,male or female ,jovial or non jovial ,self

respecting

> or non

> > self respecting,kind or non kind,merciful or non merciful .

> > Sun represents the ego .Generally a strong Sun in Aries or Leo

will

> give a

> > strong sense of self which may have the down side of pride .Sun

in

> Libra

> > gives a weaker sense of identity which often comes with an upside

of

> > humility .The ability to clearly distinguish one's identity often

> comes with

> > a certain pride but still that would seem preferable to a vague

> sense of

> > identity .

> >

> > Rahu who was an asura tried to deceive his enemy the devas that

he

> was one

> > of them (misidentification) and thus he causes illusion around

the

> areas of

> > the chart that he influences by presence,conjunction or aspect .

> >

> > When one is free from illusion (maya) then his /her real identity

is

> > revealed . So it is best if Rahu is not prominent in the chart

> since then

> > the grip of illusion is less and then one can discover one's real

> ego .

> > Hope this helps although coming from a non-esteemed member

> > Nicholas

> >

> > -

> > "partvinu5" <partvinu5>

> > <gjlist>

> > Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:20 PM

> > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

> >

> >

> > > dear nicholas

> > >

> > > for the benifit of the members i am rephrasing my statement,

could

> > > any kind person, or non-kind, could any jovial or non-joival,

> could

> > > any merciful or non-merciful, could any esteemed or non esteemed

> > > person, could any self respecting or non-self respecting, could

> any

> > > male or female answer my simple question

> > >

> > > who is ego??

> > > sun or rahu.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > partha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Partha

> > > > Can non esteemed members answer ?

> > > > Nicholas

> >

> > >> > > dear friends

> > > > >

> > > > > i want the opinio of esteemed members regarding the karaka

for

> > > ego.

> > > > > Is it sun or is it rahu.

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Guess ....... in the 9th together with the Sun ... (although 14 degrees away).

 

/Jay

 

 

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"partvinu5" <partvinu5

<gjlist>

Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:30 AM

Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

 

 

> dear jay weiss

>

> where is ur rahu.

>

> regards

> partha

>

>

>

>

>

> gjlist, "partvinu5" <partvinu5> wrote:

> > dear nicholas

> >

> > of course u are not non-esteemed member, you are very good and

> > contribute a lot.

> >

> > okay, now here is the other side of the coin. Sun is the soul of a

> > person which is indestructible and uncrushable. Finally after all

> the

> > trials and tribulation it reaches god.

> >

> > Sun may not represent ego as it is the soul and soul is very much

> > different from the body that we are having. The senses that we have

> > and the senses that control are subjective to the conditions

> > prevailing in this world. The maya that we are good or bad, great

> or

> > humble, merciful or non-merciful is created by rahu.

> >

> > Rahu creates misplaced notions and misplaced pride in a person.

> Rahu

> > denotes the persons so called success or failure, status etc.

> >

> > So the ego of a person is due to rahu and not sun.

> >

> > regards

> > parha

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> > > Dear Partha

> > > Ego means identity and so there is a real identity as spirit and

> a

> > false

> > > identity as matter which may cause one to identify as esteemed or

> > > non-esteemed ,male or female ,jovial or non jovial ,self

> respecting

> > or non

> > > self respecting,kind or non kind,merciful or non merciful .

> > > Sun represents the ego .Generally a strong Sun in Aries or Leo

> will

> > give a

> > > strong sense of self which may have the down side of pride .Sun

> in

> > Libra

> > > gives a weaker sense of identity which often comes with an upside

> of

> > > humility .The ability to clearly distinguish one's identity often

> > comes with

> > > a certain pride but still that would seem preferable to a vague

> > sense of

> > > identity .

> > >

> > > Rahu who was an asura tried to deceive his enemy the devas that

> he

> > was one

> > > of them (misidentification) and thus he causes illusion around

> the

> > areas of

> > > the chart that he influences by presence,conjunction or aspect .

> > >

> > > When one is free from illusion (maya) then his /her real identity

> is

> > > revealed . So it is best if Rahu is not prominent in the chart

> > since then

> > > the grip of illusion is less and then one can discover one's real

> > ego .

> > > Hope this helps although coming from a non-esteemed member

> > > Nicholas

> > >

> > > -

> > > "partvinu5" <partvinu5>

> > > <gjlist>

> > > Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:20 PM

> > > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

> > >

> > >

> > > > dear nicholas

> > > >

> > > > for the benifit of the members i am rephrasing my statement,

> could

> > > > any kind person, or non-kind, could any jovial or non-joival,

> > could

> > > > any merciful or non-merciful, could any esteemed or non esteemed

> > > > person, could any self respecting or non-self respecting, could

> > any

> > > > male or female answer my simple question

> > > >

> > > > who is ego??

> > > > sun or rahu.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Partha

> > > > > Can non esteemed members answer ?

> > > > > Nicholas

> > >

> > > >> > > dear friends

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i want the opinio of esteemed members regarding the karaka

> for

> > > > ego.

> > > > > > Is it sun or is it rahu.

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

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Dear Partha,

Sun is both, ahamkara and Atma. On the level of Para or Transcendental

awareness, the Sun is Atma(the subject, the object and the process of knowing

are Unified on the level of Samhita, so there is the pure experience of THE

SELF) In the relative phase of life, sun relates to personal ego and

individuality. Rahu is eager to eclipse the Sun, so he would eclipse the soul

and and drag it towards illusion. On the other hand, Guru, who is the Bhagwan

of the Chart would free ego from illusions and give dharmic and spiritual

behaviour. Sun is further exalted in aries rashi, nakshatra of ketu, so Ketu

would give final liberation. For that reason, sun and ketu strongly

influencing trines in Navamsa would give Shiva Yoga. That is why Ketu has no

rulership of tithis, and is never Charakaraka. So rahu is not the ego, Rahu

simply aggrevates the EGO. Ketu is mokshakaraka. Even on the level of ATMA

and Transcendental Self, the Soul(SUN) is not liberated. It has to realize

ITSELF as PARAMATMA. AHAM BRAHMASMI...

Best wishes,

Zoran

 

--

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Hi Jay Weiss,

You said:

I totally confirm Nikolas writing to be very near reality (at least up to a certain age).

What? What is very near reality and what is up to a certain age? Or were

you being witty?

Thanks,

Chris H.

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Dear Partha

If I understand you correctly you are in essence saying that false

conceptions of the self are a result of Rahu hence Rahu represents the ego .

To accept your premise may imply that the ego is immersed in false

conceptions but ego simply meaning identity can not always be false. There

is a real identity which it is possible for the native to uncover that is

achieved by the practise of yoga .To different extents to individuals

uderstand their spiritual identity or real ego and that of others and this

does not come from Rahu but from the Sun .

Hope this clarifies my understanding of this subject

Nicholas

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"partvinu5" <partvinu5

<gjlist>

Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:24 PM

Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

 

 

> dear nicholas

>

> of course u are not non-esteemed member, you are very good and

> contribute a lot.

>

> okay, now here is the other side of the coin. Sun is the soul of a

> person which is indestructible and uncrushable. Finally after all the

> trials and tribulation it reaches god.

>

> Sun may not represent ego as it is the soul and soul is very much

> different from the body that we are having. The senses that we have

> and the senses that control are subjective to the conditions

> prevailing in this world. The maya that we are good or bad, great or

> humble, merciful or non-merciful is created by rahu.

>

> Rahu creates misplaced notions and misplaced pride in a person. Rahu

> denotes the persons so called success or failure, status etc.

>

> So the ego of a person is due to rahu and not sun.

>

> regards

> parha

>

>

>

>

>

> gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Partha

> > Ego means identity and so there is a real identity as spirit and a

> false

> > identity as matter which may cause one to identify as esteemed or

> > non-esteemed ,male or female ,jovial or non jovial ,self respecting

> or non

> > self respecting,kind or non kind,merciful or non merciful .

> > Sun represents the ego .Generally a strong Sun in Aries or Leo will

> give a

> > strong sense of self which may have the down side of pride .Sun in

> Libra

> > gives a weaker sense of identity which often comes with an upside of

> > humility .The ability to clearly distinguish one's identity often

> comes with

> > a certain pride but still that would seem preferable to a vague

> sense of

> > identity .

> >

> > Rahu who was an asura tried to deceive his enemy the devas that he

> was one

> > of them (misidentification) and thus he causes illusion around the

> areas of

> > the chart that he influences by presence,conjunction or aspect .

> >

> > When one is free from illusion (maya) then his /her real identity is

> > revealed . So it is best if Rahu is not prominent in the chart

> since then

> > the grip of illusion is less and then one can discover one's real

> ego .

> > Hope this helps although coming from a non-esteemed member

> > Nicholas

> >

> > -

> > "partvinu5" <partvinu5>

> > <gjlist>

> > Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:20 PM

> > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

> >

> >

> > > dear nicholas

> > >

> > > for the benifit of the members i am rephrasing my statement, could

> > > any kind person, or non-kind, could any jovial or non-joival,

> could

> > > any merciful or non-merciful, could any esteemed or non esteemed

> > > person, could any self respecting or non-self respecting, could

> any

> > > male or female answer my simple question

> > >

> > > who is ego??

> > > sun or rahu.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > partha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Partha

> > > > Can non esteemed members answer ?

> > > > Nicholas

> >

> > >> > > dear friends

> > > > >

> > > > > i want the opinio of esteemed members regarding the karaka for

> > > ego.

> > > > > Is it sun or is it rahu.

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

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Dear Chris,

 

The issue was the EGO not "witty".

Exalted Sun for Leo lagna (in Aries/9th house) will make ones ego exalted i.e.

very proud and probably also some "show off". Depending on other factors for

this lagna and the 9th, especially Mercury's position and eventually the aspect

of Jupiter (from Lagna or the 5th) one will tend to exhibit 'extended

knowledge'. This may produce some arrogance or as some will call it an "exalted

interruptive ego". There is also the issue of the placement and aspects of Mars

the lord of 9th and yogakaraka for Leo lagna.

 

As one grows older (and wiser) this "exalted ego" will eventually become 'mature' and 'settles'.

The timing depends much on the placement of Aries/9th and Mars from the

operating mahadasa and it's lord (talking Vimshotari or even better with some

Jaimini dasa systems and principles.

For some it means that "ego maturity" comes earlier than others and for some

never (as they expire earlier).

 

Besides the astrological issue for 'ego' there is also the psychological one

which is seen from a different angel and will depend on other factors (like the

moon for mind) in the chart.

 

Kind regards

 

Jay Weiss

 

 

-

Chris Hanlon

gjlist

Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:30 PM

Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

Hi Jay Weiss,

You said:I totally confirm Nikolas writing to be very near reality (at least up

to a certain age). What? What is very near reality and what is up to a

certain age? Or were you being witty?Thanks,Chris H.Om Namo Bhagavate

Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

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Dear Partha,

neither, the SUn is the atma, its condition represents how the native is

in touch with thier core self. Ego is in the Manas- according to Sri

Yuktesware "Manas, Mind, in which lives the Jiva: the self, with Ahamkara,

the Ego, the idea of separate existence." So the Ego lives in the Manas,

which is ruled by the Moon. Ego is the reflection of spirit without the

knowledge that it is the reflection, the reflection of the SUn is the Moon.

Ego is the idea of seperate existence, which is an idea in the mind.

Then there is behavoiur, good and bad, selfish and unselfish, these are

indicated by the permutations of the planets. Rahu tends to put us in

situations where out behaviour is worse, but that is not neccessarily

because we are egocentric there, it is because we are not familiar with the

territory.

 

 

Best Regards,

Ernst Wilhelm

www.vedic astrology.net

Kala Occult Publishers

 

 

-

"Jay Weiss" <jayhw

<gjlist>

Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:27 AM

Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

 

 

> Dear Nikolas and Partha,

>

> As a Leo lagna with exalted Sun in Aries/9th (almost on the degree) and by

knowing a few othes with the same, I totally confirm Nikolas writing to be

very near reality (at least up to a certain age).

>

> Kind regards

>

> Jay Weiss

>

>

>

> -

> "Nicholas" <jyotish108

> <gjlist>

> Cc: <muruga>

> Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:52 AM

> Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

>

>

> > Dear Partha

> > Ego means identity and so there is a real identity as spirit and a false

> > identity as matter which may cause one to identify as esteemed or

> > non-esteemed ,male or female ,jovial or non jovial ,self respecting or

non

> > self respecting,kind or non kind,merciful or non merciful .

> > Sun represents the ego .Generally a strong Sun in Aries or Leo will give

a

> > strong sense of self which may have the down side of pride .Sun in Libra

> > gives a weaker sense of identity which often comes with an upside of

> > humility .The ability to clearly distinguish one's identity often comes

with

> > a certain pride but still that would seem preferable to a vague sense of

> > identity .

> >

> > Rahu who was an asura tried to deceive his enemy the devas that he was

one

> > of them (misidentification) and thus he causes illusion around the areas

of

> > the chart that he influences by presence,conjunction or aspect .

> >

> > When one is free from illusion (maya) then his /her real identity is

> > revealed . So it is best if Rahu is not prominent in the chart since

then

> > the grip of illusion is less and then one can discover one's real ego .

> > Hope this helps although coming from a non-esteemed member

> > Nicholas

> >

> > -

> > "partvinu5" <partvinu5

> > <gjlist>

> > Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:20 PM

> > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

> >

> >

> > > dear nicholas

> > >

> > > for the benifit of the members i am rephrasing my statement, could

> > > any kind person, or non-kind, could any jovial or non-joival, could

> > > any merciful or non-merciful, could any esteemed or non esteemed

> > > person, could any self respecting or non-self respecting, could any

> > > male or female answer my simple question

> > >

> > > who is ego??

> > > sun or rahu.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > partha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Partha

> > > > Can non esteemed members answer ?

> > > > Nicholas

> >

> > >> > > dear friends

> > > > >

> > > > > i want the opinio of esteemed members regarding the karaka for

> > > ego.

> > > > > Is it sun or is it rahu.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

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Ernst Wilhelm <ernst

<gjlist>

Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:49 PM

Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

 

 

> Dear Partha,

> neither, the SUn is the atma, its condition represents how the native is

> in touch with thier core self. Ego is in the Manas- according to Sri

> Yuktesware "Manas, Mind, in which lives the Jiva: the self, with Ahamkara,

> the Ego, the idea of separate existence." So the Ego lives in the Manas,

> which is ruled by the Moon. Ego is the reflection of spirit without the

> knowledge that it is the reflection, the reflection of the SUn is the

Moon.

> Ego is the idea of seperate existence, which is an idea in the mind.

>

 

DearErnst

I sense that I am following this, but could you give an example of the Moon

as ego?

 

I grasp that the Moon is the reflection of the Sun, but I am wondering if

the ego that is being discussed is the ego of Freud or a different sort of

ego.

 

How might the "reflection of the spirit without the knowledge that it is the

reflection... ." manifest in an individual?

 

Natabara or others, do you have any insight into this for a western gal like

me?

 

I was reading a book on the plane that had an interesting discussion of the

ego in it.

 

I'll post it later. I am trying to understand now how the Moon reveals this

in the chart or is it that the Moon always reflects and so does not reveal?

 

Help!

 

cynthia

 

 

 

Then there is behavoiur, good and bad, selfish and unselfish, these are

> indicated by the permutations of the planets. Rahu tends to put us in

> situations where out behaviour is worse, but that is not neccessarily

> because we are egocentric there, it is because we are not familiar with

the

> territory.

>

>

> Best Regards,

> Ernst Wilhelm

> www.vedic astrology.net

> Kala Occult Publishers

>

>

> -

> "Jay Weiss" <jayhw

> <gjlist>

> Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:27 AM

> Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

>

>

> > Dear Nikolas and Partha,

> >

> > As a Leo lagna with exalted Sun in Aries/9th (almost on the degree) and

by

> knowing a few othes with the same, I totally confirm Nikolas writing to be

> very near reality (at least up to a certain age).

> >

> > Kind regards

> >

> > Jay Weiss

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > "Nicholas" <jyotish108

> > <gjlist>

> > Cc: <muruga>

> > Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:52 AM

> > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

> >

> >

> > > Dear Partha

> > > Ego means identity and so there is a real identity as spirit and a

false

> > > identity as matter which may cause one to identify as esteemed or

> > > non-esteemed ,male or female ,jovial or non jovial ,self respecting or

> non

> > > self respecting,kind or non kind,merciful or non merciful .

> > > Sun represents the ego .Generally a strong Sun in Aries or Leo will

give

> a

> > > strong sense of self which may have the down side of pride .Sun in

Libra

> > > gives a weaker sense of identity which often comes with an upside of

> > > humility .The ability to clearly distinguish one's identity often

comes

> with

> > > a certain pride but still that would seem preferable to a vague sense

of

> > > identity .

> > >

> > > Rahu who was an asura tried to deceive his enemy the devas that he was

> one

> > > of them (misidentification) and thus he causes illusion around the

areas

> of

> > > the chart that he influences by presence,conjunction or aspect .

> > >

> > > When one is free from illusion (maya) then his /her real identity is

> > > revealed . So it is best if Rahu is not prominent in the chart since

> then

> > > the grip of illusion is less and then one can discover one's real ego

..

> > > Hope this helps although coming from a non-esteemed member

> > > Nicholas

> > >

> > > -

> > > "partvinu5" <partvinu5

> > > <gjlist>

> > > Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:20 PM

> > > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

> > >

> > >

> > > > dear nicholas

> > > >

> > > > for the benifit of the members i am rephrasing my statement, could

> > > > any kind person, or non-kind, could any jovial or non-joival, could

> > > > any merciful or non-merciful, could any esteemed or non esteemed

> > > > person, could any self respecting or non-self respecting, could any

> > > > male or female answer my simple question

> > > >

> > > > who is ego??

> > > > sun or rahu.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Partha

> > > > > Can non esteemed members answer ?

> > > > > Nicholas

> > >

> > > >> > > dear friends

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i want the opinio of esteemed members regarding the karaka for

> > > > ego.

> > > > > > Is it sun or is it rahu.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > > : gjlist-

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your use of is subject to

>

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

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dear Ernst Wilhelm

 

You have added a new dimesnion and given a new perspective to the

ongoing argument. Well i could have accepted that moon is ego, but if

i read between the lines, i can see that you have said that ahamkara

or ego resides in the manas.

 

Is that what you have said,if yes then please answer this question.

 

The one who resides in a home and the one who has built the home are

they same?????

 

Moon is only reflection, how can it be ego. By ego i mean the

ahamkara, the sense of pride and not the freudan ego.

 

In psychology, ego is very normal part of human being and it should

be developed for a healthy outlook towards life. well well, i am not

into technical or clinical psychology even though i have an idea what

freud and jung were speaking.

 

I was talking of ego in laymen terms which usually means the sense of

greatness in a particular domain. The sense of mastering or expertise.

Now who is the guy who causes it, the sun-atma, moon -the mind or

rahu-the materialstic and impulsive demon.

 

Those people who have conqured sensses are called jitendriya. these

extraordinary mortals are not affected by the worldly affairs.

 

regards

Partha sarathy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

gjlist, "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak@w...> wrote:

>

> -

> Ernst Wilhelm <ernst@v...>

> <gjlist>

> Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:49 PM

> Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

>

>

> > Dear Partha,

> > neither, the SUn is the atma, its condition represents how the

native is

> > in touch with thier core self. Ego is in the Manas- according to

Sri

> > Yuktesware "Manas, Mind, in which lives the Jiva: the self, with

Ahamkara,

> > the Ego, the idea of separate existence." So the Ego lives in

the Manas,

> > which is ruled by the Moon. Ego is the reflection of spirit

without the

> > knowledge that it is the reflection, the reflection of the SUn is

the

> Moon.

> > Ego is the idea of seperate existence, which is an idea in the

mind.

> >

>

> DearErnst

> I sense that I am following this, but could you give an example of

the Moon

> as ego?

>

> I grasp that the Moon is the reflection of the Sun, but I am

wondering if

> the ego that is being discussed is the ego of Freud or a different

sort of

> ego.

>

> How might the "reflection of the spirit without the knowledge that

it is the

> reflection... ." manifest in an individual?

>

> Natabara or others, do you have any insight into this for a western

gal like

> me?

>

> I was reading a book on the plane that had an interesting

discussion of the

> ego in it.

>

> I'll post it later. I am trying to understand now how the Moon

reveals this

> in the chart or is it that the Moon always reflects and so does not

reveal?

>

> Help!

>

> cynthia

>

>

>

> Then there is behavoiur, good and bad, selfish and unselfish, these

are

> > indicated by the permutations of the planets. Rahu tends to put

us in

> > situations where out behaviour is worse, but that is not

neccessarily

> > because we are egocentric there, it is because we are not

familiar with

> the

> > territory.

> >

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > Ernst Wilhelm

> > www.vedic astrology.net

> > Kala Occult Publishers

> >

> >

> > -

> > "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...>

> > <gjlist>

> > Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:27 AM

> > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

> >

> >

> > > Dear Nikolas and Partha,

> > >

> > > As a Leo lagna with exalted Sun in Aries/9th (almost on the

degree) and

> by

> > knowing a few othes with the same, I totally confirm Nikolas

writing to be

> > very near reality (at least up to a certain age).

> > >

> > > Kind regards

> > >

> > > Jay Weiss

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...>

> > > <gjlist>

> > > Cc: <muruga>

> > > Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:52 AM

> > > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

> > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Partha

> > > > Ego means identity and so there is a real identity as spirit

and a

> false

> > > > identity as matter which may cause one to identify as

esteemed or

> > > > non-esteemed ,male or female ,jovial or non jovial ,self

respecting or

> > non

> > > > self respecting,kind or non kind,merciful or non merciful .

> > > > Sun represents the ego .Generally a strong Sun in Aries or

Leo will

> give

> > a

> > > > strong sense of self which may have the down side of

pride .Sun in

> Libra

> > > > gives a weaker sense of identity which often comes with an

upside of

> > > > humility .The ability to clearly distinguish one's identity

often

> comes

> > with

> > > > a certain pride but still that would seem preferable to a

vague sense

> of

> > > > identity .

> > > >

> > > > Rahu who was an asura tried to deceive his enemy the devas

that he was

> > one

> > > > of them (misidentification) and thus he causes illusion

around the

> areas

> > of

> > > > the chart that he influences by presence,conjunction or

aspect .

> > > >

> > > > When one is free from illusion (maya) then his /her real

identity is

> > > > revealed . So it is best if Rahu is not prominent in the

chart since

> > then

> > > > the grip of illusion is less and then one can discover one's

real ego

> .

> > > > Hope this helps although coming from a non-esteemed member

> > > > Nicholas

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > "partvinu5" <partvinu5>

> > > > <gjlist>

> > > > Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:20 PM

> > > > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > dear nicholas

> > > > >

> > > > > for the benifit of the members i am rephrasing my

statement, could

> > > > > any kind person, or non-kind, could any jovial or non-

joival, could

> > > > > any merciful or non-merciful, could any esteemed or non

esteemed

> > > > > person, could any self respecting or non-self respecting,

could any

> > > > > male or female answer my simple question

> > > > >

> > > > > who is ego??

> > > > > sun or rahu.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > partha

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Partha

> > > > > > Can non esteemed members answer ?

> > > > > > Nicholas

> > > >

> > > > >> > > dear friends

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i want the opinio of esteemed members regarding the

karaka for

> > > > > ego.

> > > > > > > Is it sun or is it rahu.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > > > : gjlist-@e...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Your use of is subject to

> >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > > : gjlist-@e...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your use of is subject to

>

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-@e...

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

> >

> >

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Dear Partha,

 

Sun is the significator of Soul, which is holding the whole world and will

remain so till the world exists.

 

Your description of Sun relates to the human as a different identity from

the God i.e. it states or show your belief in duality.

 

We are pure and are born due to the pride given by self , which is

represented by Sun , that we can do this or that , these desires are

reflected by Moon . So Sun is ego , self, I , the cause of birth , it hold

all the seeds of Karma's done by one's self from the beginning of our

journey to date and is holding all the seeds which we do in this birth as

seeds to become destiny in next births.

 

Moon represent the mind , which is only for this birth as per our Pralabadh

.. Pralabadh are those Karmas which we will face during this birth. After

this birth Moon will take the form as per next pralabadh which will be

caused by our own Karma done during this birth and of the previous birth

which are yet to give results.

 

Ascendant is the body given to us , which is decided by the Sun and Moon. So

this is tripod of birth chart. Other five planets are the five elements of

nature.

 

Rahu is shade , Kaal , Rahu with Sun means false ego. Only Sun strong and

Jupiter aspect means Satwic ego. So it is Sun who shows ego and not the

Rahu.

 

Rahu is a tamsik planet and ego can be tamsik Rajsik and Satwik.

 

Sun with Jupiter will mean that i will come forward with right manners and

when Rahu will join it is by any method , approved or not.

 

 

Regards,

Inder Jit Sahni

-

"partvinu5" <partvinu5

<muruga>

Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:00 PM

[muruga] Re: SUn vs rahu-who is ego???

 

 

> dear andrews and group

>

> why i asked the question is because i have heard that sun is The atma

> or the soul of the person. Soul is uncrshable entity of a person and

> it is different from the mind and the illusions that are created in

> this world. In hindu legend an atma takes to different people,

> resides in them and leaves it. Rahu is the illusion or the maya

> pervading this world. Rahu creates the impression that one is good,

> strong, wealthy, smart etc, and this deludes the person into thinking

> that he is great and thus ego. Atma or soul should not be having a

> role in this . Thus i am asking again is it sun or rahu who is for

> ego??

>

> regards

> partha

>

>

muruga, "Andrew Lynn" <skinbags@o...> wrote:

> > Sun to me is the ego or sense of self. You just need to look at the

> people

> > born when Sun is exalted to see what a strong sense of self it

> produces.

> > i.e- it can give an inflated ego. Rahu to me is the force of

> illusion or the

> > power of mass trends in society. As a shadow planet I relate it

> more to

> > either the planet it conjoins or the ruler of its sign and

> nakshatra. Rahu

> > or Ketu eclipsing any planet often produces an exaggerated effect

> for that

> > planet. If a benefic well and good, if a malefic look out!!

> >

> > Andrew

> >

> > > dear friends

> > >

> > > i want the opinio of esteemed members regarding the karaka for

> ego.

> > > Is it sun or is it rahu.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > partha

>

>

>

>

> muruga

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

 

-

"partvinu5" <partvinu5

<gjlist>

Friday, March 01, 2002 10:14 AM

Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

 

 

> dear Ernst Wilhelm

>

> You have added a new dimesnion and given a new perspective to the

> ongoing argument. Well i could have accepted that moon is ego, but if

> i read between the lines, i can see that you have said that ahamkara

> or ego resides in the manas.

>

> Is that what you have said,if yes then please answer this question.

>

> The one who resides in a home and the one who has built the home are

> they same?????

>

> Moon is only reflection, how can it be ego. By ego i mean the

> ahamkara, the sense of pride and not the freudan ego.

>

> In psychology, ego is very normal part of human being and it should

> be developed for a healthy outlook towards life. well well, i am not

> into technical or clinical psychology even though i have an idea what

> freud and jung were speaking.

>

> I was talking of ego in laymen terms which usually means the sense of

> greatness in a particular domain. The sense of mastering or expertise.

> Now who is the guy who causes it, the sun-atma, moon -the mind or

> rahu-the materialstic and impulsive demon.

>

> Those people who have conqured sensses are called jitendriya. these

> extraordinary mortals are not affected by the worldly affairs.

>

> regards

> Partha sarathy

>

>

>

>

gjlist, "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak@w...> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > Ernst Wilhelm <ernst@v...>

> > <gjlist>

> > Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:49 PM

> > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

> >

> >

> > > Dear Partha,

> > > neither, the SUn is the atma, its condition represents how the

> native is

> > > in touch with thier core self. Ego is in the Manas- according to

> Sri

> > > Yuktesware "Manas, Mind, in which lives the Jiva: the self, with

> Ahamkara,

> > > the Ego, the idea of separate existence." So the Ego lives in

> the Manas,

> > > which is ruled by the Moon. Ego is the reflection of spirit

> without the

> > > knowledge that it is the reflection, the reflection of the SUn is

> the

> > Moon.

> > > Ego is the idea of seperate existence, which is an idea in the

> mind.

> > >

> >

> > DearErnst

> > I sense that I am following this, but could you give an example of

> the Moon

> > as ego?

> >

> > I grasp that the Moon is the reflection of the Sun, but I am

> wondering if

> > the ego that is being discussed is the ego of Freud or a different

> sort of

> > ego.

> >

> > How might the "reflection of the spirit without the knowledge that

> it is the

> > reflection... ." manifest in an individual?

> >

> > Natabara or others, do you have any insight into this for a western

> gal like

> > me?

> >

> > I was reading a book on the plane that had an interesting

> discussion of the

> > ego in it.

> >

> > I'll post it later. I am trying to understand now how the Moon

> reveals this

> > in the chart or is it that the Moon always reflects and so does not

> reveal?

> >

> > Help!

> >

> > cynthia

> >

> >

> >

> > Then there is behavoiur, good and bad, selfish and unselfish, these

> are

> > > indicated by the permutations of the planets. Rahu tends to put

> us in

> > > situations where out behaviour is worse, but that is not

> neccessarily

> > > because we are egocentric there, it is because we are not

> familiar with

> > the

> > > territory.

> > >

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > Ernst Wilhelm

> > > www.vedic astrology.net

> > > Kala Occult Publishers

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...>

> > > <gjlist>

> > > Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:27 AM

> > > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

> > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Nikolas and Partha,

> > > >

> > > > As a Leo lagna with exalted Sun in Aries/9th (almost on the

> degree) and

> > by

> > > knowing a few othes with the same, I totally confirm Nikolas

> writing to be

> > > very near reality (at least up to a certain age).

> > > >

> > > > Kind regards

> > > >

> > > > Jay Weiss

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...>

> > > > <gjlist>

> > > > Cc: <muruga>

> > > > Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:52 AM

> > > > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Partha

> > > > > Ego means identity and so there is a real identity as spirit

> and a

> > false

> > > > > identity as matter which may cause one to identify as

> esteemed or

> > > > > non-esteemed ,male or female ,jovial or non jovial ,self

> respecting or

> > > non

> > > > > self respecting,kind or non kind,merciful or non merciful .

> > > > > Sun represents the ego .Generally a strong Sun in Aries or

> Leo will

> > give

> > > a

> > > > > strong sense of self which may have the down side of

> pride .Sun in

> > Libra

> > > > > gives a weaker sense of identity which often comes with an

> upside of

> > > > > humility .The ability to clearly distinguish one's identity

> often

> > comes

> > > with

> > > > > a certain pride but still that would seem preferable to a

> vague sense

> > of

> > > > > identity .

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu who was an asura tried to deceive his enemy the devas

> that he was

> > > one

> > > > > of them (misidentification) and thus he causes illusion

> around the

> > areas

> > > of

> > > > > the chart that he influences by presence,conjunction or

> aspect .

> > > > >

> > > > > When one is free from illusion (maya) then his /her real

> identity is

> > > > > revealed . So it is best if Rahu is not prominent in the

> chart since

> > > then

> > > > > the grip of illusion is less and then one can discover one's

> real ego

> > .

> > > > > Hope this helps although coming from a non-esteemed member

> > > > > Nicholas

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > "partvinu5" <partvinu5>

> > > > > <gjlist>

> > > > > Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:20 PM

> > > > > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > dear nicholas

> > > > > >

> > > > > > for the benifit of the members i am rephrasing my

> statement, could

> > > > > > any kind person, or non-kind, could any jovial or non-

> joival, could

> > > > > > any merciful or non-merciful, could any esteemed or non

> esteemed

> > > > > > person, could any self respecting or non-self respecting,

> could any

> > > > > > male or female answer my simple question

> > > > > >

> > > > > > who is ego??

> > > > > > sun or rahu.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > partha

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Partha

> > > > > > > Can non esteemed members answer ?

> > > > > > > Nicholas

> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > dear friends

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i want the opinio of esteemed members regarding the

> karaka for

> > > > > > ego.

> > > > > > > > Is it sun or is it rahu.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > > > > : gjlist-@e...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Your use of is subject to

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > > > : gjlist-@e...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Your use of is subject to

> >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > > : gjlist-@e...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your use of is subject to

>

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

 

 

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Dear Cynthia,

 

> DearErnst

> I sense that I am following this, but could you give an example of the

Moon

> as ego?

 

Look at it as the Ego lives in the Moon, but the Moon is not the Ego. THe

Moon is conscoiusness, and Ego is a state of consciousness. So the Moon is

not egocentric, it is our consciousness that can be egocentric. If you

really need an example as the Moon as Ego, you can consider self-absorbtion.

 

> I grasp that the Moon is the reflection of the Sun, but I am wondering if

> the ego that is being discussed is the ego of Freud or a different sort of

> ego.

 

The ego is the idea of separate existence, which results in a limited and

restricted sense of identity.

 

> How might the "reflection of the spirit without the knowledge that it is

the

> reflection... ." manifest in an individual?

 

This manifests as the idea of seperate existence. THe idea of seperate

existence manifest in many many different ways, the one thing in common with

them all is that they all create either suffering or excitement- the

response to the ups and downs we experience in life.

 

The Moon itself doesn't reveal egocentricity, it reveals the attitude

though. By egocentricity we usually mean selfish or self-centered versus

selfless. This can be determined by examining the arrangement of all the

planets in the horoscope, whether the motivation is selfish or dharmic. That

indicates egocentricity. Many selfish people do good deeds and talk about

God and even meditate, and many unselfish people smoke and watch TV. So the

motivation is not always easy to see in the actions of the person.

 

Best Regards,

Ernst Wilhelm

www.vedic astrology.net

Kala Occult Publishers

 

 

>

> > Dear Partha,

> > neither, the SUn is the atma, its condition represents how the native

is

> > in touch with thier core self. Ego is in the Manas- according to Sri

> > Yuktesware "Manas, Mind, in which lives the Jiva: the self, with

Ahamkara,

> > the Ego, the idea of separate existence." So the Ego lives in the

Manas,

> > which is ruled by the Moon. Ego is the reflection of spirit without the

> > knowledge that it is the reflection, the reflection of the SUn is the

> Moon.

> > Ego is the idea of seperate existence, which is an idea in the mind.

> >

>

 

>

> I grasp that the Moon is the reflection of the Sun, but I am wondering if

> the ego that is being discussed is the ego of Freud or a different sort of

> ego.

>

> How might the "reflection of the spirit without the knowledge that it is

the

> reflection... ." manifest in an individual?

>

> Natabara or others, do you have any insight into this for a western gal

like

> me?

>

> I was reading a book on the plane that had an interesting discussion of

the

> ego in it.

>

> I'll post it later. I am trying to understand now how the Moon reveals

this

> in the chart or is it that the Moon always reflects and so does not

reveal?

>

> Help!

>

> cynthia

>

>

>

> Then there is behavoiur, good and bad, selfish and unselfish, these are

> > indicated by the permutations of the planets. Rahu tends to put us in

> > situations where out behaviour is worse, but that is not neccessarily

> > because we are egocentric there, it is because we are not familiar with

> the

> > territory.

> >

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > Ernst Wilhelm

> > www.vedic astrology.net

> > Kala Occult Publishers

> >

> >

> > -

> > "Jay Weiss" <jayhw

> > <gjlist>

> > Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:27 AM

> > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

> >

> >

> > > Dear Nikolas and Partha,

> > >

> > > As a Leo lagna with exalted Sun in Aries/9th (almost on the degree)

and

> by

> > knowing a few othes with the same, I totally confirm Nikolas writing to

be

> > very near reality (at least up to a certain age).

> > >

> > > Kind regards

> > >

> > > Jay Weiss

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > "Nicholas" <jyotish108

> > > <gjlist>

> > > Cc: <muruga>

> > > Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:52 AM

> > > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

> > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Partha

> > > > Ego means identity and so there is a real identity as spirit and a

> false

> > > > identity as matter which may cause one to identify as esteemed or

> > > > non-esteemed ,male or female ,jovial or non jovial ,self respecting

or

> > non

> > > > self respecting,kind or non kind,merciful or non merciful .

> > > > Sun represents the ego .Generally a strong Sun in Aries or Leo will

> give

> > a

> > > > strong sense of self which may have the down side of pride .Sun in

> Libra

> > > > gives a weaker sense of identity which often comes with an upside of

> > > > humility .The ability to clearly distinguish one's identity often

> comes

> > with

> > > > a certain pride but still that would seem preferable to a vague

sense

> of

> > > > identity .

> > > >

> > > > Rahu who was an asura tried to deceive his enemy the devas that he

was

> > one

> > > > of them (misidentification) and thus he causes illusion around the

> areas

> > of

> > > > the chart that he influences by presence,conjunction or aspect .

> > > >

> > > > When one is free from illusion (maya) then his /her real identity is

> > > > revealed . So it is best if Rahu is not prominent in the chart since

> > then

> > > > the grip of illusion is less and then one can discover one's real

ego

> .

> > > > Hope this helps although coming from a non-esteemed member

> > > > Nicholas

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > "partvinu5" <partvinu5

> > > > <gjlist>

> > > > Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:20 PM

> > > > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > dear nicholas

> > > > >

> > > > > for the benifit of the members i am rephrasing my statement, could

> > > > > any kind person, or non-kind, could any jovial or non-joival,

could

> > > > > any merciful or non-merciful, could any esteemed or non esteemed

> > > > > person, could any self respecting or non-self respecting, could

any

> > > > > male or female answer my simple question

> > > > >

> > > > > who is ego??

> > > > > sun or rahu.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > partha

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Partha

> > > > > > Can non esteemed members answer ?

> > > > > > Nicholas

> > > >

> > > > >> > > dear friends

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i want the opinio of esteemed members regarding the karaka for

> > > > > ego.

> > > > > > > Is it sun or is it rahu.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > > > : gjlist-

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Your use of is subject to

> >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > > : gjlist-

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your use of is subject to

>

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

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Dear Ernst

 

Thank you this is most helpful

 

c

 

 

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Ernst Wilhelm <ernst

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Monday, March 04, 2002 2:19 PM

Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

 

 

> Dear Cynthia,

>

> > DearErnst

> > I sense that I am following this, but could you give an example of the

> Moon

> > as ego?

>

> Look at it as the Ego lives in the Moon, but the Moon is not the Ego. THe

> Moon is conscoiusness, and Ego is a state of consciousness. So the Moon is

> not egocentric, it is our consciousness that can be egocentric. If you

> really need an example as the Moon as Ego, you can consider

self-absorbtion.

>

> > I grasp that the Moon is the reflection of the Sun, but I am wondering

if

> > the ego that is being discussed is the ego of Freud or a different sort

of

> > ego.

>

> The ego is the idea of separate existence, which results in a limited and

> restricted sense of identity.

>

> > How might the "reflection of the spirit without the knowledge that it is

> the

> > reflection... ." manifest in an individual?

>

> This manifests as the idea of seperate existence. THe idea of seperate

> existence manifest in many many different ways, the one thing in common

with

> them all is that they all create either suffering or excitement- the

> response to the ups and downs we experience in life.

>

> The Moon itself doesn't reveal egocentricity, it reveals the attitude

> though. By egocentricity we usually mean selfish or self-centered versus

> selfless. This can be determined by examining the arrangement of all the

> planets in the horoscope, whether the motivation is selfish or dharmic.

That

> indicates egocentricity. Many selfish people do good deeds and talk about

> God and even meditate, and many unselfish people smoke and watch TV. So

the

> motivation is not always easy to see in the actions of the person.

>

> Best Regards,

> Ernst Wilhelm

> www.vedic astrology.net

> Kala Occult Publishers

>

>

> >

> > > Dear Partha,

> > > neither, the SUn is the atma, its condition represents how the

native

> is

> > > in touch with thier core self. Ego is in the Manas- according to Sri

> > > Yuktesware "Manas, Mind, in which lives the Jiva: the self, with

> Ahamkara,

> > > the Ego, the idea of separate existence." So the Ego lives in the

> Manas,

> > > which is ruled by the Moon. Ego is the reflection of spirit without

the

> > > knowledge that it is the reflection, the reflection of the SUn is the

> > Moon.

> > > Ego is the idea of seperate existence, which is an idea in the mind.

> > >

> >

>

> >

> > I grasp that the Moon is the reflection of the Sun, but I am wondering

if

> > the ego that is being discussed is the ego of Freud or a different sort

of

> > ego.

> >

> > How might the "reflection of the spirit without the knowledge that it is

> the

> > reflection... ." manifest in an individual?

> >

> > Natabara or others, do you have any insight into this for a western gal

> like

> > me?

> >

> > I was reading a book on the plane that had an interesting discussion of

> the

> > ego in it.

> >

> > I'll post it later. I am trying to understand now how the Moon reveals

> this

> > in the chart or is it that the Moon always reflects and so does not

> reveal?

> >

> > Help!

> >

> > cynthia

> >

> >

> >

> > Then there is behavoiur, good and bad, selfish and unselfish, these are

> > > indicated by the permutations of the planets. Rahu tends to put us in

> > > situations where out behaviour is worse, but that is not neccessarily

> > > because we are egocentric there, it is because we are not familiar

with

> > the

> > > territory.

> > >

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > Ernst Wilhelm

> > > www.vedic astrology.net

> > > Kala Occult Publishers

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > "Jay Weiss" <jayhw

> > > <gjlist>

> > > Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:27 AM

> > > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

> > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Nikolas and Partha,

> > > >

> > > > As a Leo lagna with exalted Sun in Aries/9th (almost on the degree)

> and

> > by

> > > knowing a few othes with the same, I totally confirm Nikolas writing

to

> be

> > > very near reality (at least up to a certain age).

> > > >

> > > > Kind regards

> > > >

> > > > Jay Weiss

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > "Nicholas" <jyotish108

> > > > <gjlist>

> > > > Cc: <muruga>

> > > > Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:52 AM

> > > > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Partha

> > > > > Ego means identity and so there is a real identity as spirit and a

> > false

> > > > > identity as matter which may cause one to identify as esteemed or

> > > > > non-esteemed ,male or female ,jovial or non jovial ,self

respecting

> or

> > > non

> > > > > self respecting,kind or non kind,merciful or non merciful .

> > > > > Sun represents the ego .Generally a strong Sun in Aries or Leo

will

> > give

> > > a

> > > > > strong sense of self which may have the down side of pride .Sun in

> > Libra

> > > > > gives a weaker sense of identity which often comes with an upside

of

> > > > > humility .The ability to clearly distinguish one's identity often

> > comes

> > > with

> > > > > a certain pride but still that would seem preferable to a vague

> sense

> > of

> > > > > identity .

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu who was an asura tried to deceive his enemy the devas that he

> was

> > > one

> > > > > of them (misidentification) and thus he causes illusion around the

> > areas

> > > of

> > > > > the chart that he influences by presence,conjunction or aspect .

> > > > >

> > > > > When one is free from illusion (maya) then his /her real identity

is

> > > > > revealed . So it is best if Rahu is not prominent in the chart

since

> > > then

> > > > > the grip of illusion is less and then one can discover one's real

> ego

> > .

> > > > > Hope this helps although coming from a non-esteemed member

> > > > > Nicholas

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > "partvinu5" <partvinu5

> > > > > <gjlist>

> > > > > Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:20 PM

> > > > > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > dear nicholas

> > > > > >

> > > > > > for the benifit of the members i am rephrasing my statement,

could

> > > > > > any kind person, or non-kind, could any jovial or non-joival,

> could

> > > > > > any merciful or non-merciful, could any esteemed or non esteemed

> > > > > > person, could any self respecting or non-self respecting, could

> any

> > > > > > male or female answer my simple question

> > > > > >

> > > > > > who is ego??

> > > > > > sun or rahu.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > partha

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Partha

> > > > > > > Can non esteemed members answer ?

> > > > > > > Nicholas

> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > dear friends

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i want the opinio of esteemed members regarding the karaka

for

> > > > > > ego.

> > > > > > > > Is it sun or is it rahu.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > > > > : gjlist-

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Your use of is subject to

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > > > : gjlist-

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Your use of is subject to

> >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > > : gjlist-

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your use of is subject to

>

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

> >

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

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Dear List,

 

May I share my thoughts on this subject of 'EGO'.

 

EGO is the exaggerated sense of self-importance.

 

Since it is sense, it is felt in mind, signified by 'MOON'.

 

Since this sense is not real, but a delusion, it has to come from the master of

delusion, the smokey planet RAHU.

 

This delusion is about self-importance, the operative part being "self", signified by SUN.

 

Thus, an afflicted combination of MO/RA/SU gives EGO - in the negative sense.

 

Best wishes,

 

Shailesh

 

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Ernst Wilhelm

gjlist

Tuesday, March 05, 2002 1:49 AM

Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

Dear Cynthia,> DearErnst> I sense that I am following this, but could you give

an example of theMoon> as ego?Look at it as the Ego lives in the Moon, but the

Moon is not the Ego. THeMoon is conscoiusness, and Ego is a state of

consciousness. So the Moon isnot egocentric, it is our consciousness that can

be egocentric. If youreally need an example as the Moon as Ego, you can

consider self-absorbtion.> I grasp that the Moon is the reflection of the Sun,

but I am wondering if> the ego that is being discussed is the ego of Freud or a

different sort of> ego.The ego is the idea of separate existence, which results

in a limited andrestricted sense of identity.> How might the "reflection of the

spirit without the knowledge that it isthe> reflection... ." manifest in an

individual?This manifests as the idea of seperate existence. THe idea of

seperateexistence manifest in many many different ways, the one thing in common

withthem all is that they all create either suffering or excitement- theresponse

to the ups and downs we experience in life.The Moon itself doesn't reveal

egocentricity, it reveals the attitudethough. By egocentricity we usually mean

selfish or self-centered versusselfless. This can be determined by examining

the arrangement of all theplanets in the horoscope, whether the motivation is

selfish or dharmic. Thatindicates egocentricity. Many selfish people do good

deeds and talk aboutGod and even meditate, and many unselfish people smoke and

watch TV. So themotivation is not always easy to see in the actions of the

person.Best Regards,Ernst Wilhelmwww.vedic astrology.netKala Occult

Publishers>> > Dear Partha,> > neither, the SUn is the atma, its condition

represents how the nativeis> > in touch with thier core self. Ego is in the

Manas- according to Sri> > Yuktesware "Manas, Mind, in which lives the Jiva:

the self, withAhamkara,> > the Ego, the idea of separate existence." So the

Ego lives in theManas,> > which is ruled by the Moon. Ego is the reflection of

spirit without the> > knowledge that it is the reflection, the reflection of

the SUn is the> Moon.> > Ego is the idea of seperate existence, which is an

idea in the mind.> >>>> I grasp that the Moon is the reflection of the Sun, but

I am wondering if> the ego that is being discussed is the ego of Freud or a

different sort of> ego.>> How might the "reflection of the spirit without the

knowledge that it isthe> reflection... ." manifest in an individual?>> Natabara

or others, do you have any insight into this for a western gallike> me?>> I was

reading a book on the plane that had an interesting discussion ofthe> ego in

it.>> I'll post it later. I am trying to understand now how the Moon

revealsthis> in the chart or is it that the Moon always reflects and so does

notreveal?>> Help!>> cynthia>>>> Then there is behavoiur, good and bad, selfish

and unselfish, these are> > indicated by the permutations of the planets. Rahu

tends to put us in> > situations where out behaviour is worse, but that is not

neccessarily> > because we are egocentric there, it is because we are not

familiar with> the> > territory.> >> >> > Best Regards,> > Ernst Wilhelm> >

www.vedic astrology.net> > Kala Occult Publishers> >> >> > ----- Original

Message -----> > "Jay Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com>> > To:

<gjlist>> > Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:27 AM> >

Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???> >> >> > > Dear Nikolas and

Partha,> > >> > > As a Leo lagna with exalted Sun in Aries/9th (almost on the

degree)and> by> > knowing a few othes with the same, I totally confirm Nikolas

writing tobe> > very near reality (at least up to a certain age).> > >> > >

Kind regards> > >> > > Jay Weiss> > >> > >> > >> > > ----- Original Message

-----> > > "Nicholas" <jyotish108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> > > To:

<gjlist>> > > Cc: <muruga>> > > Thursday,

February 28, 2002 10:52 AM> > > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???> >

>> > >> > > > Dear Partha> > > > Ego means identity and so there is a real

identity as spirit and a> false> > > > identity as matter which may cause one

to identify as esteemed or> > > > non-esteemed ,male or female ,jovial or non

jovial ,self respectingor> > non> > > > self respecting,kind or non

kind,merciful or non merciful .> > > > Sun represents the ego .Generally a

strong Sun in Aries or Leo will> give> > a> > > > strong sense of self which

may have the down side of pride .Sun in> Libra> > > > gives a weaker sense of

identity which often comes with an upside of> > > > humility .The ability to

clearly distinguish one's identity often> comes> > with> > > > a certain pride

but still that would seem preferable to a vaguesense> of> > > > identity .> > >

>> > > > Rahu who was an asura tried to deceive his enemy the devas that hewas>

> one> > > > of them (misidentification) and thus he causes illusion around

the> areas> > of> > > > the chart that he influences by presence,conjunction or

aspect .> > > >> > > > When one is free from illusion (maya) then his /her real

identity is> > > > revealed . So it is best if Rahu is not prominent in the

chart since> > then> > > > the grip of illusion is less and then one can

discover one's realego> .> > > > Hope this helps although coming from a

non-esteemed member> > > > Nicholas> > > >> > > > ->

> > > "partvinu5" <partvinu5 >> > > > To:

<gjlist>> > > > Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:20 PM> > >

> Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???> > > >> > > >> > > > > dear

nicholas> > > > >> > > > > for the benifit of the members i am rephrasing my

statement, could> > > > > any kind person, or non-kind, could any jovial or

non-joival,could> > > > > any merciful or non-merciful, could any esteemed or

non esteemed> > > > > person, could any self respecting or non-self respecting,

couldany> > > > > male or female answer my simple question> > > > >> > > > > who

is ego??> > > > > sun or rahu.> > > > >> > > > > regards> > > > > partha> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > gjlist,

"Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Partha> > > > > > Can non

esteemed members answer ?> > > > > > Nicholas> > > >> > > > >> > > dear

friends> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i want the opinio of esteemed members

regarding the karaka for> > > > > ego.> > > > > > > Is it sun or is it rahu.> >

> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om

Tat Sat> > > > :

gjlist-> > > > http://www.goravani.com> > > >> > > >> >

> > Your use of is subject to> >

> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Om

Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> > > To , send

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" THeMoon is conscoiusness"

Moon is not consciousness, Moon is a media between the Cosciouness and matter.

In exact words Moon is significator of mind and mind results from the ego of

Soul which is signified by Sun.

 

Sun signified the whole Atma , Soul of the Universe the instant part

representing in our Natal chart explains that how it is manifesting in the

individual;

 

Nearest to us is the intelect away from intelect is mind and away from this mind is Soul.

Intelect is material , Mind is a mixture of matter and Consiousness.

When this matter elopes remaining we are left with nothing but the pure Soul , pure consiousness.

Regards,

Inder jit sahni

Ernst Wilhelm <ernst (AT) vedic astrology (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Cynthia,> DearErnst> I

sense that I am following this, but could you give an example of theMoon> as

ego?Look at it as the Ego lives in the Moon, but the Moon is not the Ego.

THeMoon is conscoiusness, and Ego is a state of consciousness. So the Moon

isnot egocentric, it is our consciousness that can be egocentric. If youreally

need an example as the Moon as Ego, you can consider self-absorbtion.> I grasp

that the Moon is the reflection of the Sun, but I am wondering if> the ego that

is being discussed is the ego of Freud or a different sort of> ego.The ego is

the idea of separate existence, which results in a limited andrestricted sense

of identity.> How might the "reflection of the spirit without the knowledge

that it isthe> reflection... ." manifest in an individual?This manifests as the

idea of seperate existence. THe idea of seperateexistence manifest in many many

different ways, the one thing in common withthem all is that they all create

either suffering or excitement- theresponse to the ups and downs we experience

in life.The Moon itself doesn't reveal egocentricity, it reveals the

attitudethough. By egocentricity we usually mean selfish or self-centered

versusselfless. This can be determined by examining the arrangement of all

theplanets in the horoscope, whether the motivation is selfish or dharmic.

Thatindicates egocentricity. Many selfish people do good deeds and talk

aboutGod and even meditate, and many unselfish people smoke and watch TV. So

themotivation is not always easy to see in the actions of the person.Best

Regards,Ernst Wilhelmwww.vedic astrology.netKala Occult Publishers>> > Dear

Partha,> > neither, the SUn is the atma, its condition represents how the

nativeis> > in touch with thier core self. Ego is in the Manas- according to

Sri> > Yuktesware "Manas, Mind, in which lives the Jiva: the self,

withAhamkara,> > the Ego, the idea of separate existence." So the Ego lives in

theManas,> > which is ruled by the Moon. Ego is the reflection of spirit

without the> > knowledge that it is the reflection, the reflection of the SUn

is the> Moon.> > Ego is the idea of seperate existence, which is an idea in the

mind.> >>>> I grasp that the Moon is the reflection of the Sun, but I am

wondering if> the ego that is being discussed is the ego of Freud or a

different sort of> ego.>> How might the "reflection of the spirit without the

knowledge that it isthe> reflection... ." manifest in an individual?>> Natabara

or others, do you have any insight into this for a western gallike> me?>> I was

reading a book on the plane that had an interesting discussion ofthe> ego in

it.>> I'll post it later. I am trying to understand now how the Moon

revealsthis> in the chart or is it that the Moon always reflects and so does

notreveal?>> Help!>> cynthia>>>> Then there is behavoiur, good and bad, selfish

and unselfish, these are> > indicated by the permutations of the planets. Rahu

tends to put us in> > situations where out behaviour is worse, but that is not

neccessarily> > because we are egocentric there, it is because we are not

familiar with> the> > territory.> >> >> > Best Regards,> > Ernst Wilhelm> >

www.vedic astrology.net> > Kala Occult Publishers> >> >> > ----- Original

Message -----> > "Jay Weiss" > > > > Thursday, February 28,

2002 2:27 AM> > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???> >> >> > > Dear

Nikolas and Partha,> > >> > > As a Leo lagna with exalted Sun in Aries/9th

(almost on the degree)and> by> > knowing a few othes with the same, I totally

confirm Nikolas writing tobe> > very near reality (at least up to a certain

age).> > >> > > Kind regards> > >> > > Jay Weiss> > >> > >> > >> > > -----

Original Message -----> > > "Nicholas" > > > > > > Cc: > > > Sent:

Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:52 AM> > > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is

ego???> > >> > >> > > > Dear Partha> > > > Ego means identity and so there is a

real identity as spirit and a> false> > > > identity as matter which may cause

one to identify as esteemed or> > > > non-esteemed ,male or female ,jovial or

non jovial ,self respectingor> > non> > > > self respecting,kind or non

kind,merciful or non merciful .> > > > Sun represents the ego .Generally a

strong Sun in Aries or Leo will> give> > a> > > > strong sense of self which

may have the down side of pride .Sun in> Libra> > > > gives a weaker sense of

identity which often comes with an upside of> > > > humility .The ability to

clearly distinguish one's identity often> comes> > with> > > > a certain pride

but still that would seem preferable to a vaguesense> of> > > > identity .> > >

>> > > > Rahu who was an asura tried to deceive his enemy the devas that hewas>

> one> > > > of them (misidentification) and thus he causes illusion around

the> areas> > of> > > > the chart that he influences by presence,conjunction or

aspect .> > > >> > > > When one is free from illusion (maya) then his /her real

identity is> > > > revealed . So it is best if Rahu is not prominent in the

chart since> > then> > > > the grip of illusion is less and then one can

discover one's realego> .> > > > Hope this helps although coming from a

non-esteemed member> > > > Nicholas> > > >> > > > ->

> > > "partvinu5" > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 28, 2002

8:20 PM> > > > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???> > > >> > > >> > > >

> dear nicholas> > > > >> > > > > for the benifit of the members i am rephrasing

my statement, could> > > > > any kind person, or non-kind, could any jovial or

non-joival,could> > > > > any merciful or non-merciful, could any esteemed or

non esteemed> > > > > person, could any self respecting or non-self respecting,

couldany> > > > > male or female answer my simple question> > > > >> > > > > who

is ego??> > > > > sun or rahu.> > > > >> > > > > regards> > > > > partha> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > gjlist,

"Nicholas" wrote:> > > > > > Dear Partha> > > > > > Can non esteemed members

answer ?> > > > > > Nicholas> > > >> > > > >> > > dear friends> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > i want the opinio of esteemed members regarding the karaka for> > > >

> ego.> > > > > > > Is it sun or is it rahu.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> > > > To ,

send an email to: gjlist-> > > >

http://www.goravani.com> > > >> > > >> > > > Your use of is

subject to> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >

>> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> > > To

, send an email to: gjlist-> > >

http://www.goravani.com> > >> > >> > > Your use of is subject to>

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Dear INderJit

 

"Moon is a media between the Cosciouness and matter."

 

Thanks for the clarification.

 

Best Regards,Ernst Wilhelmwww.vedic astrology.netKala Occult Publishers

 

 

-

InderJit Sahni

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Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???

Hello Ernst

" THeMoon is conscoiusness"

Moon is not consciousness, In exact words Moon is significator of mind and mind

results from the ego of Soul which is signified by Sun.

 

Sun signified the whole Atma , Soul of the Universe the instant part

representing in our Natal chart explains that how it is manifesting in the

individual;

 

Nearest to us is the intelect away from intelect is mind and away from this mind is Soul.

Intelect is material , Mind is a mixture of matter and Consiousness.

When this matter elopes remaining we are left with nothing but the pure Soul , pure consiousness.

Regards,

Inder jit sahni

Ernst Wilhelm <ernst (AT) vedic astrology (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Cynthia,> DearErnst> I

sense that I am following this, but could you give an example of theMoon> as

ego?Look at it as the Ego lives in the Moon, but the Moon is not the Ego.

THeMoon is conscoiusness, and Ego is a state of consciousness. So the Moon

isnot egocentric, it is our consciousness that can be egocentric. If youreally

need an example as the Moon as Ego, you can consider self-absorbtion.> I grasp

that the Moon is the reflection of the Sun, but I am wondering if> the ego that

is being discussed is the ego of Freud or a different sort of> ego.The ego is

the idea of separate existence, which results in a limited andrestricted sense

of identity.> How might the "reflection of the spirit without the knowledge

that it isthe> reflection... ." manifest in an individual?This manifests as the

idea of seperate existence. THe idea of seperateexistence manifest in many many

different ways, the one thing in common withthem all is that they all create

either suffering or excitement- theresponse to the ups and downs we experience

in life.The Moon itself doesn't reveal egocentricity, it reveals the

attitudethough. By egocentricity we usually mean selfish or self-centered

versusselfless. This can be determined by examining the arrangement of all

theplanets in the horoscope, whether the motivation is selfish or dharmic.

Thatindicates egocentricity. Many selfish people do good deeds and talk

aboutGod and even meditate, and many unselfish people smoke and watch TV. So

themotivation is not always easy to see in the actions of the person.Best

Regards,Ernst Wilhelmwww.vedic astrology.netKala Occult Publishers>> > Dear

Partha,> > neither, the SUn is the atma, its condition represents how the

nativeis> > in touch with thier core self. Ego is in the Manas- according to

Sri> > Yuktesware "Manas, Mind, in which lives the Jiva: the self,

withAhamkara,> > the Ego, the idea of separate existence." So the Ego lives in

theManas,> > which is ruled by the Moon. Ego is the reflection of spirit

without the> > knowledge that it is the reflection, the reflection of the SUn

is the> Moon.> > Ego is the idea of seperate existence, which is an idea in the

mind.> >>>> I grasp that the Moon is the reflection of the Sun, but I am

wondering if> the ego that is being discussed is the ego of Freud or a

different sort of> ego.>> How might the "reflection of the spirit without the

knowledge that it isthe> reflection... ." manifest in an individual?>> Natabara

or others, do you have any insight into this for a western gallike> me?>> I was

reading a book on the plane that had an interesting discussion ofthe> ego in

it.>> I'll post it later. I am trying to understand now how the Moon

revealsthis> in the chart or is it that the Moon always reflects and so does

notreveal?>> Help!>> cynthia>>>> Then there is behavoiur, good and bad, selfish

and unselfish, these are> > indicated by the permutations of the planets. Rahu

tends to put us in> > situations where out behaviour is worse, but that is not

neccessarily> > because we are egocentric there, it is because we are not

familiar with> the> > territory.> >> >> > Best Regards,> > Ernst Wilhelm> >

www.vedic astrology.net> > Kala Occult Publishers> >> >> > ----- Original

Message -----> > "Jay Weiss" > > > > Thursday, February 28,

2002 2:27 AM> > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???> >> >> > > Dear

Nikolas and Partha,> > >> > > As a Leo lagna with exalted Sun in Aries/9th

(almost on the degree)and> by> > knowing a few othes with the same, I totally

confirm Nikolas writing tobe> > very near reality (at least up to a certain

age).> > >> > > Kind regards> > >> > > Jay Weiss> > >> > >> > >> > > -----

Original Message -----> > > "Nicholas" > > > > > > Cc: > > > Sent:

Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:52 AM> > > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is

ego???> > >> > >> > > > Dear Partha> > > > Ego means identity and so there is a

real identity as spirit and a> false> > > > identity as matter which may cause

one to identify as esteemed or> > > > non-esteemed ,male or female ,jovial or

non jovial ,self respectingor> > non> > > > self respecting,kind or non

kind,merciful or non merciful .> > > > Sun represents the ego .Generally a

strong Sun in Aries or Leo will> give> > a> > > > strong sense of self which

may have the down side of pride .Sun in> Libra> > > > gives a weaker sense of

identity which often comes with an upside of> > > > humility .The ability to

clearly distinguish one's identity often> comes> > with> > > > a certain pride

but still that would seem preferable to a vaguesense> of> > > > identity .> > >

>> > > > Rahu who was an asura tried to deceive his enemy the devas that hewas>

> one> > > > of them (misidentification) and thus he causes illusion around

the> areas> > of> > > > the chart that he influences by presence,conjunction or

aspect .> > > >> > > > When one is free from illusion (maya) then his /her real

identity is> > > > revealed . So it is best if Rahu is not prominent in the

chart since> > then> > > > the grip of illusion is less and then one can

discover one's realego> .> > > > Hope this helps although coming from a

non-esteemed member> > > > Nicholas> > > >> > > > ->

> > > "partvinu5" > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 28, 2002

8:20 PM> > > > Re: [GJ] Sun vs Rahu-who is ego???> > > >> > > >> > > >

> dear nicholas> > > > >> > > > > for the benifit of the members i am rephrasing

my statement, could> > > > > any kind person, or non-kind, could any jovial or

non-joival,could> > > > > any merciful or non-merciful, could any esteemed or

non esteemed> > > > > person, could any self respecting or non-self respecting,

couldany> > > > > male or female answer my simple question> > > > >> > > > > who

is ego??> > > > > sun or rahu.> > > > >> > > > > regards> > > > > partha> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > gjlist,

"Nicholas" wrote:> > > > > > Dear Partha> > > > > > Can non esteemed members

answer ?> > > > > > Nicholas> > > >> > > > >> > > dear friends> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > i want the opinio of esteemed members regarding the karaka for> > > >

> ego.> > > > > > > Is it sun or is it rahu.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> > > > To ,

send an email to: gjlist-> > > >

http://www.goravani.com> > > >> > > >> > > > Your use of is

subject to> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >

>> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> > > To

, send an email to: gjlist-> > >

http://www.goravani.com> > >> > >> > > Your use of is subject to>

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