stammer

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Dear Patrice, dear Rhoda and list,

Patrice, you told already a lot of the chart and I just want to confirm it.

You seem to be on the right track.

The only thing would be to discover stammering in advance in a chart. Until

now I got 3 stammering natives in my files and would confirm the role of

Ketu and that of fiery planets also. Patrice aleady mentioned Ketu`s role.

Look: Female, Andrea ,stammering july 2 1965 in Koblenz germany 7E35

50N21 20:00PM

lagna 8° sagittarius Mula (all Krishnamurti ayanamsha)

Male, Rudi, stammering january 23. 1944 in Unna germany, 7E41 51N32 6:05AM

lagna sagittarius around 0° Mula

Rhoda`s case: lagna Magha 9°

All ascendants are in Ketu ruled constellations. All ascendants are in a

fiery sign.

Stammering is indicated due to MERCURY and SATURN according to the books but

I would add also KETU here. Speech impediments are indicated through

mercury, gemini, house 3.

For my opinion also Taurus should be examined hence the mouth is indicated

through this sign. In 2 of these cases Taurus went to be the 6th house and

in the other case Taurus is afflicted by Mars and Uranus.

In Andrea`s case 3rd house cusp is under starlord Saturn and the Sun is

sublord, being under Rahu`s star and Ketu`s sub sub.

In Rudi`s case 3rd house cusp is under starlord Jupiter (being in Ketu´s

star himself) while Mars is sublord.

In the chart of Rhoda`s case 3rd house is under starlord Rahu, sublord is

also Rahu.

In Andrea`s chart Mercury is in Saturn`s constellation, while Ketu is in

Mercury´s constellation.

In Rudi`s chart Mercury is in Venus`constellation while Venus is in Ketu`s

constellation.

In the chart of Rhoda`s case Mercury is in Sun`s constellation while the Sun

is in Ketu`s constellation.

We should examine some more charts of stammering people and compare them

with charts of people having some other speech defects, like indistinctly

speech due to ear problems for example.

Listmembers may send me more dates of people with speech defects and should

describe the sort of this defect.

Stammering and hasty speech might be prominent in people having fiery

ascendants while unclear and slurred speech might be prominent in people

having watery asendants and difficulty to express or tensed speech might be

prominent in earthy signs.

 

Useful homeopathic remedies for stammering people are: Belladonna,

Causticum, Mercurius, Nux vomica and Stramonium among others and should be

studied according to the cases.

Flower remedies to treat stammering people are Bach`s Scleranthus and the

Californian Trumpet Vine. These remedies should also be studied.

Regards, Ilona

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Dear Rhoda, IIona, Visti, Dear List,

 

Thank you for your words and direction regarding this chart and stammer.

 

Rhoda wrote:

 

>dear patrice, you have surely done a very detailed study of the boy's

chart.you don't seem to be such a >beginner, from what i read.you are right

about the 2nd house, and it's disturbances coming from ketu and >rahu.this i

was told by visti too. but according to him, the sun is a great help and

will burn out the problems!!

 

I am definitely a beginner but appreciate your thoughts. Great to learn that

we are finding Ketu really a large contributor for this along with Mercury

and Saturn. Doing these charts with this direction from IIona and Visti is a

great way for me to learn ;-)

 

Visti would know more than I regarding Sun in this. My thoughts are that a

strong Sun and Ascendant lord, which is both in this case (as well as being

in Ascendant), would have to be looked at as some charts show potential for

problems that don't occur and I read sometimes this is due to the strong Sun

as karaka for body and the same of Ascendant lord.

 

Would you Visti and IIona also consider this? I see what you have written

IIona about the influence on Ketu where Sun has Ketu as Nakshatra lord,

IIona, and also the fact that it is firey. But also I'm meaning in general -

for the health. What do you do - do you use it in this way I have?

 

This is interesting using 3H, and shows clearly in this varga chart of

health. I did read when looking for something such as speech and we know to

use the karaka Mercury, then we would also go to the 3H as Mercury is

natural karaka for this house to look for the same indications. (Another

would be 5H for children and then Leo.) Been looking for this in my book

again, and now haven't found it for this post. In this case the same

thinking to be used, as you said IIona, for 2H and Taurus.

 

In Light on Life, authors state for diseases: Moon rules mouth problems,

Mercury disorders of skin and nerves and Saturn nerve disorders as well.

This is also interesting regarding this chart. I don't want to throw too

many things in here but this is more insight perhaps as we go deeper into a

chart. This all certainly points to a nerve disorder in this chart causing

this stammering.

 

And KETU - definitely involved here and in stammering which makes great

sense.

 

I loved this reference you made IIona - "Stammering and hasty speech might

be prominent in people having fiery ascendants while unclear and slurred

speech might be prominent in people

having watery ascendants and difficulty to express or tensed speech might be

prominent in earthy signs." Very good, and helpful with using the basics so

clearly in this way.

 

Visti, to further my understanding, what do you make of what I have often

seen written, "If the karaka for a house is in the house itself, it is not

auspicious for living things, though it is productive for non-living

things."?

 

I do see your reasoning for Sun here to be able to "burn out the problem"

and your thoughts regarding light. Just for further understanding in future

charts, I would like to get a fuller understanding regarding this of karaka

of living things.... and in particular Sun in 1H.

 

Also, I wondered if since this is Leo, and Sun as Ascendant lord, this would

change this above some, but decided to follow these rules I have seen so

often. My youngest son also has Leo with Sun, Moon and Mercury in Ascendant,

so this too will help me to understand this in his chart as well.

 

IIona, thank you for sharing these other charts with us - and the wonderful

gift of what remedies are used for stammer with both Homeopathy and Bach!

 

It's a great help for me to see how you both have worked this out as well -

many thanks.

 

Best regards,

Patrice