Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 Members, I swear I don't like the longevity inthe chart of George W. Bush, I've mentioned this before. Nailini Kanta originally brought this up, although he felt that the dangerous time for Bush was in March of this year. G.W. has the Sun in the house of loss, which suggests that his end will come in government. Mars aspecting the house of death suggests a violent end- that would only come while he is in office. Two fiery planets surrounding the ascendant in masculine signs go a long way towards reinforcing this indication. Death should come in the Saturn major period ( the current one ), because Saturn is the indicator of longevity and owns two maraka, death-inflicting houses. The sub period of Saturn-Jupiter is the last one of the Saturn major period, but Jupiter is too benefic to take care of that task, Jupiter just isn't empowered for that. But the current sub period of Saturn-Rahu is, and Rahu ends in October. Transit-wise, the end of April and May look nasty. I really feel strong about all this. Dharma/Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 Dear Dean You are not the only one .When GW was running against Gore I predicted a GW victory with an assassination . Note that Jupiter Lord of disputes is close to his Lagna Lord and aspceted by the planet of intrigues Rahu . Saturn the Lord of death sits in his ascendent and is the current MD .Watch the period when Rahu goes stationary at 24 Taurus.This is also a Rahu return for him . Cheers Nicholas - "deandddd" <0108 <gjlist> Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM [GJ] G W Bush > Members, > > I swear I don't like the longevity inthe chart of George W. Bush, > I've mentioned this > before. Nailini Kanta originally brought this up, although he felt > that the > dangerous time for Bush was in March of this year. > > G.W. has the Sun in the house of loss, which suggests that his end > will come > in government. Mars aspecting the house of death suggests a violent > end- > that would only come while he is in office. Two fiery planets > surrounding > the ascendant in masculine signs go a long way towards reinforcing > this > indication. Death should come in the Saturn major period ( the current > one ), because Saturn is the indicator of longevity and owns two > maraka, > death-inflicting houses. > > The sub period of Saturn-Jupiter is the last one of the Saturn major > period, > but Jupiter is too benefic to take care of that task, Jupiter just > isn't > empowered for that. But the current sub period of Saturn-Rahu is, and > Rahu > ends in October. > > Transit-wise, the end of April and May look nasty. > > I really feel strong about all this. > > Dharma/Dean > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 Dean, I have to agree with you I think the end of May the Karmas of Bush and the country are entwined, and if you remember a post by Mr Robert Koch and his assessement of possible events following the coming new moon, you know that the is about to be some destruction in the US as planets pile up in Taurus. Dennis Flaherty mentions in his newsletter the Memorial day week end as particularly malefic. Saturn opposes pluto on saturday, followed by a full lunar eclipse on the 27 of May, (Bush cancer ascendant) with the moon aspecting every challenging malefic planet on Moonday. What I fear is not for Bush but for the Americian public, if his assassination takes place with other very destructive events Martial law which is waiting to spring will in fact come to fruition. This would be used by the faction that want to have a total police state in America. Then will come forced vaccinations, I presume Rahu in Taurus, but the affects will not be beneficial. They have written up bill they are presently passing which will not allow people to refuse this shot, if they do they will intern them and take ALL their possessions, house and all. I can only say if I were in America presently, I would simply leave for another country, I know several who have done just that. At the very least I would stock up on supplies, because it is going to get very ugly. Best Regards, Don - "deandddd" <0108 <gjlist> Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:12 PM [GJ] G W Bush > Members, > > I swear I don't like the longevity inthe chart of George W. Bush, > I've mentioned this > before. Nailini Kanta originally brought this up, although he felt > that the > dangerous time for Bush was in March of this year. > > G.W. has the Sun in the house of loss, which suggests that his end > will come > in government. Mars aspecting the house of death suggests a violent > end- > that would only come while he is in office. Two fiery planets > surrounding > the ascendant in masculine signs go a long way towards reinforcing > this > indication. Death should come in the Saturn major period ( the current > one ), because Saturn is the indicator of longevity and owns two > maraka, > death-inflicting houses. > > The sub period of Saturn-Jupiter is the last one of the Saturn major > period, > but Jupiter is too benefic to take care of that task, Jupiter just > isn't > empowered for that. But the current sub period of Saturn-Rahu is, and > Rahu > ends in October. > > Transit-wise, the end of April and May look nasty. > > I really feel strong about all this. > > Dharma/Dean > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Dear Don and Nicholas With all of these dire placements in GWB's chart, why do you think he won and how do you makes sense of this in terms of his success thus far? I am always struggling as an astrology to make sense of what is not so obvious. For example, I had a client this week with a very difficult 6th house, a Vedic astrologer and ayurvedic physician in another city told her years ago that her health would be awful and he didn't know why she was even alive! The point of this is that when things look bad, and they do not appear to be so, how to make sense of it? Isn't it interesting that with these facets in his chart (and I am not disputing that they are there) that the plane that was attempting to hit the Whitehouse was stopped and that he was not even there. Would that simply be the grace of Jupiter, who is also transiting his 12th house Sun now, or perhaps there comes a time when the chart operates at a different level. Could it be that ol' W is now using that 12th house placement as part of a greater plan than we can see? Could it simply be that he is in governmental office? (that 12th house Sun seems to recur in the charts of public officials that do not die in office.) Finally, if the Saturn MD is to be so fatal, why has he been so successful? Please, I am not being argumentative, just trying to look at it from different angels. I have found that when a kala sarpa approaches life or his desires as W. did when he began the run for the nomination that their lives seem to truly come into the grasp of destiny and are therefore outside the realm of obvious or literal prediction. I could be totally over the edge here, but I had little formal Vedic astrology training when I began to look at clients and their charts. I had a lot of experience in reading western charts and have a long-time history of understanding the feel for transits rather than the actual events that come with that. My belief is that the events are secondary to what is actually being both taught and learned by the journey of life.I am an observer and when Kala Sarpa yoga folks say "I will see if there is support for my making a run for the nomination." Rather than I want to get the nomination then that nodal axis takes on a whole different tone than what is obvious. I suspect that W. will be attacked by his detractors, but I also feel that with the great stellium in his 11th house he will have huge support. It would surprise me that he would die. I may be very wrong, but am interested in discussion on how the two of you or any others have witnessed his chart responding to transits or dashas as you expected in the past that would lead you to assume that it would respond so now. cynthia - Nicholas <jyotish108 <gjlist> Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:43 PM Re: [GJ] G W Bush > Dear Dean > You are not the only one .When GW was running against Gore I predicted a GW > victory with an assassination . > Note that Jupiter Lord of disputes is close to his Lagna Lord and aspceted > by the planet of intrigues Rahu . > Saturn the Lord of death sits in his ascendent and is the current MD ..Watch > the period when Rahu goes stationary at 24 Taurus.This is also a Rahu return > for him . > Cheers > Nicholas > - > "deandddd" <0108 > <gjlist> > Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM > [GJ] G W Bush > > > > Members, > > > > I swear I don't like the longevity inthe chart of George W. Bush, > > I've mentioned this > > before. Nailini Kanta originally brought this up, although he felt > > that the > > dangerous time for Bush was in March of this year. > > > > G.W. has the Sun in the house of loss, which suggests that his end > > will come > > in government. Mars aspecting the house of death suggests a violent > > end- > > that would only come while he is in office. Two fiery planets > > surrounding > > the ascendant in masculine signs go a long way towards reinforcing > > this > > indication. Death should come in the Saturn major period ( the current > > one ), because Saturn is the indicator of longevity and owns two > > maraka, > > death-inflicting houses. > > > > The sub period of Saturn-Jupiter is the last one of the Saturn major > > period, > > but Jupiter is too benefic to take care of that task, Jupiter just > > isn't > > empowered for that. But the current sub period of Saturn-Rahu is, and > > Rahu > > ends in October. > > > > Transit-wise, the end of April and May look nasty. > > > > I really feel strong about all this. > > > > Dharma/Dean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Dear Cynthia, The point is that knowledge of grahas, nakshatras and bhavas which many people have is not enough to give what you say is not so obvious. Some jyotisha beginners had troubles in understanding why I gave some predictions which came true. For example, I sometimes predicted succes in mahdasha of graha in 8th house, while in one case, shukra was exalted in 11th house as lagna lord with no debilitation navamsa, and I predicted problems in business and gains which came true. There are other aspects given by Parashara, Jaimini and other sages.. One should study hard and pray to God to illuminate mind. My friend's sister has terrible 6th house(4 grahas) and no major health problems. Lord of 7th shukra is in 6th house afflicted yet the husband is the best in the world. There are other levels beyond the obvious, which will long and sincere study dicover. May Lord Ganesh Bless You best wishes Zoran cynthia novak wrote: > Dear Don and Nicholas > > With all of these dire placements in GWB's chart, why do you think he won > and how do you makes sense of this in terms of his success thus far? > > I am always struggling as an astrology to make sense of what is not so > obvious. For example, I had a client this week with a very difficult 6th > house, a Vedic astrologer and ayurvedic physician in another city told her > years ago that her health would be awful and he didn't know why she was even > alive! The point of this is that when things look bad, and they do not > appear to be so, how to make sense of it? Isn't it interesting that with > these facets in his chart (and I am not disputing that they are there) that > the plane that was attempting to hit the Whitehouse was stopped and that he > was not even there. Would that simply be the grace of Jupiter, who is also > transiting his 12th house Sun now, or perhaps there comes a time when the > chart operates at a different level. > > Could it be that ol' W is now using that 12th house placement as part of a > greater plan than we can see? Could it simply be that he is in governmental > office? (that 12th house Sun seems to recur in the charts of public > officials that do not die in office.) Finally, if the Saturn MD is to be so > fatal, why has he been so successful? Please, I am not being argumentative, > just trying to look at it from different angels. I have found that when a > kala sarpa approaches life or his desires as W. did when he began the run > for the nomination that their lives seem to truly come into the grasp of > destiny and are therefore outside the realm of obvious or literal > prediction. > > I could be totally over the edge here, but I had little formal Vedic > astrology training when I began to look at clients and their charts. I had > a lot of experience in reading western charts and have a long-time history > of understanding the feel for transits rather than the actual events that > come with that. My belief is that the events are secondary to what is > actually being both taught and learned by the journey of life.I am an > observer and when Kala Sarpa yoga folks say "I will see if there is support > for my making a run for the nomination." Rather than I want to get the > nomination then that nodal axis takes on a whole different tone than what is > obvious. > > I suspect that W. will be attacked by his detractors, but I also feel that > with the great stellium in his 11th house he will have huge support. It > would surprise me that he would die. I may be very wrong, but am interested > in discussion on how the two of you or any others have witnessed his chart > responding to transits or dashas as you expected in the past that would lead > you to assume that it would respond so now. > > cynthia > > - > Nicholas <jyotish108 > <gjlist> > Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:43 PM > Re: [GJ] G W Bush > > > Dear Dean > > You are not the only one .When GW was running against Gore I predicted a > GW > > victory with an assassination . > > Note that Jupiter Lord of disputes is close to his Lagna Lord and aspceted > > by the planet of intrigues Rahu . > > Saturn the Lord of death sits in his ascendent and is the current MD > .Watch > > the period when Rahu goes stationary at 24 Taurus.This is also a Rahu > return > > for him . > > Cheers > > Nicholas > > - > > "deandddd" <0108 > > <gjlist> > > Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM > > [GJ] G W Bush > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > I swear I don't like the longevity inthe chart of George W. Bush, > > > I've mentioned this > > > before. Nailini Kanta originally brought this up, although he felt > > > that the > > > dangerous time for Bush was in March of this year. > > > > > > G.W. has the Sun in the house of loss, which suggests that his end > > > will come > > > in government. Mars aspecting the house of death suggests a violent > > > end- > > > that would only come while he is in office. Two fiery planets > > > surrounding > > > the ascendant in masculine signs go a long way towards reinforcing > > > this > > > indication. Death should come in the Saturn major period ( the current > > > one ), because Saturn is the indicator of longevity and owns two > > > maraka, > > > death-inflicting houses. > > > > > > The sub period of Saturn-Jupiter is the last one of the Saturn major > > > period, > > > but Jupiter is too benefic to take care of that task, Jupiter just > > > isn't > > > empowered for that. But the current sub period of Saturn-Rahu is, and > > > Rahu > > > ends in October. > > > > > > Transit-wise, the end of April and May look nasty. > > > > > > I really feel strong about all this. > > > > > > Dharma/Dean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to -- Zoran Radosavljevic Jyotish Teacher at Shri Jagannath Vedic Centre mails: ahimsa ahimsa web address: http://www.sjvc.co.yu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Dear Zoran Thank you so much for putting this so eloquently. I do believe in prayer and each session I ask to connect with my client from the heart and to use that insight to the greatest good for the client, not merely for my ego or to prove the validity of astrology. Astrology stands the test of time fine for herself <great grins>. I am most intrigued by the cases that don't fall into the obvious interpretation. In the case of the client this week, I encouraged her to notice her compulsive thoughts (you would call that vata, yes?) and the link between them and her digestive disorder. As is usually the case, she was indeed having stomach pains, but it was obviously due to difficult digestion, heavy Mercury emphasis suggested and strong Mars suggested that she rarely sat quietly when she ate, instead doing several tasks. She agreed that the Mars transit in Aries was the beginning of the most recent digestive distress and when she does remember to sit quietly and eat she has been much better. A message today said how much this simple information helped her. The point is to help the client see the knots and suggest ways to untie them, not to tell them that they cannot be untied. In the case of your 6th house person, what do you see in her that is different than what you would expect. How does she treat her husband that stands out as different from others with this placement that have great relationship difficulties, this is the study that is most interesting to me...how does she avoid tying the knot. much respect and appreciation c - Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa <gjlist> Thursday, April 04, 2002 11:30 AM Re: [GJ] G W Bush > Dear Cynthia, > The point is that knowledge of grahas, nakshatras and bhavas which many people > have is not enough to give what you say is not so obvious. Some jyotisha > beginners had troubles in understanding why I gave some predictions which came > true. For example, I sometimes predicted succes in mahdasha of graha in 8th > house, while in one case, shukra was exalted in 11th house as lagna lord with no > debilitation navamsa, and I predicted problems in business and gains which came > true. There are other aspects given by Parashara, Jaimini and other sages.. One > should study hard and pray to God to illuminate mind. > My friend's sister has terrible 6th house(4 grahas) and no major health > problems. Lord of 7th shukra is in 6th house afflicted yet the husband is the > best in the world. There are other levels beyond the obvious, which will long > and sincere study dicover. > May Lord Ganesh Bless You > best wishes > Zoran > > cynthia novak wrote: > > > Dear Don and Nicholas > > > > With all of these dire placements in GWB's chart, why do you think he won > > and how do you makes sense of this in terms of his success thus far? > > > > I am always struggling as an astrology to make sense of what is not so > > obvious. For example, I had a client this week with a very difficult 6th > > house, a Vedic astrologer and ayurvedic physician in another city told her > > years ago that her health would be awful and he didn't know why she was even > > alive! The point of this is that when things look bad, and they do not > > appear to be so, how to make sense of it? Isn't it interesting that with > > these facets in his chart (and I am not disputing that they are there) that > > the plane that was attempting to hit the Whitehouse was stopped and that he > > was not even there. Would that simply be the grace of Jupiter, who is also > > transiting his 12th house Sun now, or perhaps there comes a time when the > > chart operates at a different level. > > > > Could it be that ol' W is now using that 12th house placement as part of a > > greater plan than we can see? Could it simply be that he is in governmental > > office? (that 12th house Sun seems to recur in the charts of public > > officials that do not die in office.) Finally, if the Saturn MD is to be so > > fatal, why has he been so successful? Please, I am not being argumentative, > > just trying to look at it from different angels. I have found that when a > > kala sarpa approaches life or his desires as W. did when he began the run > > for the nomination that their lives seem to truly come into the grasp of > > destiny and are therefore outside the realm of obvious or literal > > prediction. > > > > I could be totally over the edge here, but I had little formal Vedic > > astrology training when I began to look at clients and their charts. I had > > a lot of experience in reading western charts and have a long-time history > > of understanding the feel for transits rather than the actual events that > > come with that. My belief is that the events are secondary to what is > > actually being both taught and learned by the journey of life.I am an > > observer and when Kala Sarpa yoga folks say "I will see if there is support > > for my making a run for the nomination." Rather than I want to get the > > nomination then that nodal axis takes on a whole different tone than what is > > obvious. > > > > I suspect that W. will be attacked by his detractors, but I also feel that > > with the great stellium in his 11th house he will have huge support. It > > would surprise me that he would die. I may be very wrong, but am interested > > in discussion on how the two of you or any others have witnessed his chart > > responding to transits or dashas as you expected in the past that would lead > > you to assume that it would respond so now. > > > > cynthia > > > > - > > Nicholas <jyotish108 > > <gjlist> > > Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:43 PM > > Re: [GJ] G W Bush > > > > > Dear Dean > > > You are not the only one .When GW was running against Gore I predicted a > > GW > > > victory with an assassination . > > > Note that Jupiter Lord of disputes is close to his Lagna Lord and aspceted > > > by the planet of intrigues Rahu . > > > Saturn the Lord of death sits in his ascendent and is the current MD > > .Watch > > > the period when Rahu goes stationary at 24 Taurus.This is also a Rahu > > return > > > for him . > > > Cheers > > > Nicholas > > > - > > > "deandddd" <0108 > > > <gjlist> > > > Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM > > > [GJ] G W Bush > > > > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > I swear I don't like the longevity inthe chart of George W. Bush, > > > > I've mentioned this > > > > before. Nailini Kanta originally brought this up, although he felt > > > > that the > > > > dangerous time for Bush was in March of this year. > > > > > > > > G.W. has the Sun in the house of loss, which suggests that his end > > > > will come > > > > in government. Mars aspecting the house of death suggests a violent > > > > end- > > > > that would only come while he is in office. Two fiery planets > > > > surrounding > > > > the ascendant in masculine signs go a long way towards reinforcing > > > > this > > > > indication. Death should come in the Saturn major period ( the current > > > > one ), because Saturn is the indicator of longevity and owns two > > > > maraka, > > > > death-inflicting houses. > > > > > > > > The sub period of Saturn-Jupiter is the last one of the Saturn major > > > > period, > > > > but Jupiter is too benefic to take care of that task, Jupiter just > > > > isn't > > > > empowered for that. But the current sub period of Saturn-Rahu is, and > > > > Rahu > > > > ends in October. > > > > > > > > Transit-wise, the end of April and May look nasty. > > > > > > > > I really feel strong about all this. > > > > > > > > Dharma/Dean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > -- > Zoran Radosavljevic > Jyotish Teacher at Shri Jagannath Vedic Centre > mails: ahimsa > ahimsa > web address: http://www.sjvc.co.yu > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Dear Cynthia, I would be happy to give you my views on George Bush's chart, I have a feeling it may get lenghty so I hope you will bear with me. The first thing I see when I look at Bush's chart is the parivatana yoga bewteen the Moon and Mercury. The Moon being the ascendant ruler is in an exchange with Mercury to which the Moon has an antithetical relationship. The Moon is the mind without judgement, Mercury the intellect is the aspect of the mind that is always assessing the value of something so it can profit from it in some way. Even thought Mercury and the Moon will act like they are in their own signs, this in my view, creates an exchange of mental energies that is disturbing to the mind and creates an imbalance mentally. That is why he gets lost when he is talking, he feels for the words in his mind, and says what he feels he should say, whether it makes intellectual sense or not. Of course, with the second house ruler in the 12th every time he opens his mouth he loses to some degree. The other reason I mention this exchange is because it puts him between two enemies. Dispite Venus being a natural benefic it is still from the other planetary camp, and therefore an enemy. Another interesting aspect of this exchange is that it lends a certain amount of his identity to the nature of Mercury his enemy, and it therefore make him feel on some level that his circle of enemies are his friends. This I feel will put him in a position to be sacrificed for the fulfillment of the agenda of those around him. Second I would like to look at the stages of life for a moment. He was born into the best cycle of his life in that he was born into his Mars (yoga karaka) dasha. In fact he was born on the day of his Mars Mars Saturn. So we have to consider the nature of the soul's intention by that choice of birth matrix. Mars is the Lord of War and destruction, ruling a dharma house of purpose, and the most powerful angle for this chart. Its placement in the second house is a fine enough placement, income through war, and speeches about war, but it is the second house lords position, that will undermine the potential good of that placement. If for instance the sun were in Aries exalted, the final out come would be more dharmic, like the dharma they speak of in the Bhagavad Gita. Now we have to consider the implication of Saturn because he was born on the day that started his antaradasha of Saturn. Saturn rules over all things old, longevity, death, authority, theft and I would argue oil. I know Saturn has many other indications but chose these for a reason. Now if you consider, that part of that soul's destiny is entwined with the influences of Mars and Saturn, we can easily make a case for the present War for Oil. His enemies that he thinks are his friends, old authority types, adminastrators, oil executives will be the ones that sacrifice him for their interests. So, almost the first seven years of life are influencing the mind and perception with Mar's energy. To be followed with Rahu the demon of drama, intrigue, drugs and intoxication, which of course he indulged in. I would think Rahu of course shaped his course towards politics as well. Something I want to mention about Jupiters dasha as well is that is should have been good for Cancer ascendant, but with the exchange with Mercury, it is as if Jupiter were with Mercury in the third. Two things, one Jupiter and Mercury represent marakas to each other which would bring up issues of feeling ripped off, or feelings he deserved more, and of course he is a coward. Benefics in the third make for cowards. That is why pappy had to get him into cadets most of which he didn't complete or was away on leave etc. He wasn't going to Vietnam! So now that he is in Saturn ruler of 7 & 8, bhukti of Rahu drama and intrigue, and antaradasha of Mercury which ties in the 1st, 3rd, and 12th houses, I get very ominious indications that the end is near. We have to look at the transits to see how they are conspiring to the fulfillment o his destiny. The strongest indicator of something karmic is of course Rahu's return to its natal position, this is huge! It is a trigger for events that will now unfold rather dramitically, perhaps Saturn is slowing this for the moment, but that is temporary because it will soon be overwhelmed with other influences. Interestingly, later today we will have two parivatana yogas in play, once Mars goes into Taurus. It will or course act like Venus, and with the other exchange we have Jupiter and Mercury acting like each other. So Things are not as they appear on the surface, and when they change so will events in a big way. The other Maraka for Cancer of course is the Sun, which will be exalted soon, this too should be watched. All I can say is that if he sees August there will be no one more surprised than me. Best Regards, Don - "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak <gjlist> Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:59 AM Re: [GJ] G W Bush > Dear Don and Nicholas > > With all of these dire placements in GWB's chart, why do you think he won > and how do you makes sense of this in terms of his success thus far? > > I am always struggling as an astrology to make sense of what is not so > obvious. For example, I had a client this week with a very difficult 6th > house, a Vedic astrologer and ayurvedic physician in another city told her > years ago that her health would be awful and he didn't know why she was even > alive! The point of this is that when things look bad, and they do not > appear to be so, how to make sense of it? Isn't it interesting that with > these facets in his chart (and I am not disputing that they are there) that > the plane that was attempting to hit the Whitehouse was stopped and that he > was not even there. Would that simply be the grace of Jupiter, who is also > transiting his 12th house Sun now, or perhaps there comes a time when the > chart operates at a different level. > > Could it be that ol' W is now using that 12th house placement as part of a > greater plan than we can see? Could it simply be that he is in governmental > office? (that 12th house Sun seems to recur in the charts of public > officials that do not die in office.) Finally, if the Saturn MD is to be so > fatal, why has he been so successful? Please, I am not being argumentative, > just trying to look at it from different angels. I have found that when a > kala sarpa approaches life or his desires as W. did when he began the run > for the nomination that their lives seem to truly come into the grasp of > destiny and are therefore outside the realm of obvious or literal > prediction. > > I could be totally over the edge here, but I had little formal Vedic > astrology training when I began to look at clients and their charts. I had > a lot of experience in reading western charts and have a long-time history > of understanding the feel for transits rather than the actual events that > come with that. My belief is that the events are secondary to what is > actually being both taught and learned by the journey of life.I am an > observer and when Kala Sarpa yoga folks say "I will see if there is support > for my making a run for the nomination." Rather than I want to get the > nomination then that nodal axis takes on a whole different tone than what is > obvious. > > I suspect that W. will be attacked by his detractors, but I also feel that > with the great stellium in his 11th house he will have huge support. It > would surprise me that he would die. I may be very wrong, but am interested > in discussion on how the two of you or any others have witnessed his chart > responding to transits or dashas as you expected in the past that would lead > you to assume that it would respond so now. > > cynthia > > - > Nicholas <jyotish108 > <gjlist> > Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:43 PM > Re: [GJ] G W Bush > > > > Dear Dean > > You are not the only one .When GW was running against Gore I predicted a > GW > > victory with an assassination . > > Note that Jupiter Lord of disputes is close to his Lagna Lord and aspceted > > by the planet of intrigues Rahu . > > Saturn the Lord of death sits in his ascendent and is the current MD > .Watch > > the period when Rahu goes stationary at 24 Taurus.This is also a Rahu > return > > for him . > > Cheers > > Nicholas > > - > > "deandddd" <0108 > > <gjlist> > > Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM > > [GJ] G W Bush > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > I swear I don't like the longevity inthe chart of George W. Bush, > > > I've mentioned this > > > before. Nailini Kanta originally brought this up, although he felt > > > that the > > > dangerous time for Bush was in March of this year. > > > > > > G.W. has the Sun in the house of loss, which suggests that his end > > > will come > > > in government. Mars aspecting the house of death suggests a violent > > > end- > > > that would only come while he is in office. Two fiery planets > > > surrounding > > > the ascendant in masculine signs go a long way towards reinforcing > > > this > > > indication. Death should come in the Saturn major period ( the current > > > one ), because Saturn is the indicator of longevity and owns two > > > maraka, > > > death-inflicting houses. > > > > > > The sub period of Saturn-Jupiter is the last one of the Saturn major > > > period, > > > but Jupiter is too benefic to take care of that task, Jupiter just > > > isn't > > > empowered for that. But the current sub period of Saturn-Rahu is, and > > > Rahu > > > ends in October. > > > > > > Transit-wise, the end of April and May look nasty. > > > > > > I really feel strong about all this. > > > > > > Dharma/Dean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Dear Cynthia I haven't got time right at the moment to make a detailed reply but I'll offer some food for thought .K.N.Rao who has seen many politicians charts made the comment once that the classical texts give combinations for being a King (Rajyogas) and also combinations for being a criminal .He said that both combinations are found in the charts of politicians .Also it was clear to me that G W Bush was presented to the people as their leader by the back room boys .He was not elevated on the basis of his record or talent . Nicholas - "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak <gjlist> Friday, April 05, 2002 12:59 AM Re: [GJ] G W Bush > Dear Don and Nicholas > > With all of these dire placements in GWB's chart, why do you think he won > and how do you makes sense of this in terms of his success thus far? > > I am always struggling as an astrology to make sense of what is not so > obvious. For example, I had a client this week with a very difficult 6th > house, a Vedic astrologer and ayurvedic physician in another city told her > years ago that her health would be awful and he didn't know why she was even > alive! The point of this is that when things look bad, and they do not > appear to be so, how to make sense of it? Isn't it interesting that with > these facets in his chart (and I am not disputing that they are there) that > the plane that was attempting to hit the Whitehouse was stopped and that he > was not even there. Would that simply be the grace of Jupiter, who is also > transiting his 12th house Sun now, or perhaps there comes a time when the > chart operates at a different level. > > Could it be that ol' W is now using that 12th house placement as part of a > greater plan than we can see? Could it simply be that he is in governmental > office? (that 12th house Sun seems to recur in the charts of public > officials that do not die in office.) Finally, if the Saturn MD is to be so > fatal, why has he been so successful? Please, I am not being argumentative, > just trying to look at it from different angels. I have found that when a > kala sarpa approaches life or his desires as W. did when he began the run > for the nomination that their lives seem to truly come into the grasp of > destiny and are therefore outside the realm of obvious or literal > prediction. > > I could be totally over the edge here, but I had little formal Vedic > astrology training when I began to look at clients and their charts. I had > a lot of experience in reading western charts and have a long-time history > of understanding the feel for transits rather than the actual events that > come with that. My belief is that the events are secondary to what is > actually being both taught and learned by the journey of life.I am an > observer and when Kala Sarpa yoga folks say "I will see if there is support > for my making a run for the nomination." Rather than I want to get the > nomination then that nodal axis takes on a whole different tone than what is > obvious. > > I suspect that W. will be attacked by his detractors, but I also feel that > with the great stellium in his 11th house he will have huge support. It > would surprise me that he would die. I may be very wrong, but am interested > in discussion on how the two of you or any others have witnessed his chart > responding to transits or dashas as you expected in the past that would lead > you to assume that it would respond so now. > > cynthia > > - > Nicholas <jyotish108 > <gjlist> > Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:43 PM > Re: [GJ] G W Bush > > > > Dear Dean > > You are not the only one .When GW was running against Gore I predicted a > GW > > victory with an assassination . > > Note that Jupiter Lord of disputes is close to his Lagna Lord and aspceted > > by the planet of intrigues Rahu . > > Saturn the Lord of death sits in his ascendent and is the current MD > .Watch > > the period when Rahu goes stationary at 24 Taurus.This is also a Rahu > return > > for him . > > Cheers > > Nicholas > > - > > "deandddd" <0108 > > <gjlist> > > Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM > > [GJ] G W Bush > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > I swear I don't like the longevity inthe chart of George W. Bush, > > > I've mentioned this > > > before. Nailini Kanta originally brought this up, although he felt > > > that the > > > dangerous time for Bush was in March of this year. > > > > > > G.W. has the Sun in the house of loss, which suggests that his end > > > will come > > > in government. Mars aspecting the house of death suggests a violent > > > end- > > > that would only come while he is in office. Two fiery planets > > > surrounding > > > the ascendant in masculine signs go a long way towards reinforcing > > > this > > > indication. Death should come in the Saturn major period ( the current > > > one ), because Saturn is the indicator of longevity and owns two > > > maraka, > > > death-inflicting houses. > > > > > > The sub period of Saturn-Jupiter is the last one of the Saturn major > > > period, > > > but Jupiter is too benefic to take care of that task, Jupiter just > > > isn't > > > empowered for that. But the current sub period of Saturn-Rahu is, and > > > Rahu > > > ends in October. > > > > > > Transit-wise, the end of April and May look nasty. > > > > > > I really feel strong about all this. > > > > > > Dharma/Dean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Hi Nicholas I think most of us wud not be at all surprised with KN Rao's observations. Most politicians are no different from criminals especially in the poor countries. They are robbing their countries dry with blatant nepotism, corruption, etc..... Regards Sonia --- Nicholas <jyotish108 wrote: > Dear Cynthia > I haven't got time right at the moment to make a > detailed reply but I'll > offer some food for thought .K.N.Rao who has seen > many politicians charts > made the comment once that the classical texts give > combinations for being a > King (Rajyogas) and also combinations for being a > criminal .He said that > both combinations are found in the charts of > politicians .Also it was clear > to me that G W Bush was presented to the people as > their leader by the back > room boys .He was not elevated on the basis of his > record or talent . > Nicholas > - > "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak > <gjlist> > Friday, April 05, 2002 12:59 AM > Re: [GJ] G W Bush > > > > Dear Don and Nicholas > > > > With all of these dire placements in GWB's chart, > why do you think he won > > and how do you makes sense of this in terms of his > success thus far? > > > > I am always struggling as an astrology to make > sense of what is not so > > obvious. For example, I had a client this week > with a very difficult 6th > > house, a Vedic astrologer and ayurvedic physician > in another city told her > > years ago that her health would be awful and he > didn't know why she was > even > > alive! The point of this is that when things look > bad, and they do not > > appear to be so, how to make sense of it? Isn't > it interesting that with > > these facets in his chart (and I am not disputing > that they are there) > that > > the plane that was attempting to hit the > Whitehouse was stopped and that > he > > was not even there. Would that simply be the > grace of Jupiter, who is > also > > transiting his 12th house Sun now, or perhaps > there comes a time when the > > chart operates at a different level. > > > > Could it be that ol' W is now using that 12th > house placement as part of a > > greater plan than we can see? Could it simply be > that he is in > governmental > > office? (that 12th house Sun seems to recur in > the charts of public > > officials that do not die in office.) Finally, if > the Saturn MD is to be > so > > fatal, why has he been so successful? Please, I > am not being > argumentative, > > just trying to look at it from different angels. > I have found that when a > > kala sarpa approaches life or his desires as W. > did when he began the run > > for the nomination that their lives seem to truly > come into the grasp of > > destiny and are therefore outside the realm of > obvious or literal > > prediction. > > > > I could be totally over the edge here, but I had > little formal Vedic > > astrology training when I began to look at clients > and their charts. I > had > > a lot of experience in reading western charts and > have a long-time history > > of understanding the feel for transits rather than > the actual events that > > come with that. My belief is that the events are > secondary to what is > > actually being both taught and learned by the > journey of life.I am an > > observer and when Kala Sarpa yoga folks say "I > will see if there is > support > > for my making a run for the nomination." Rather > than I want to get the > > nomination then that nodal axis takes on a whole > different tone than what > is > > obvious. > > > > I suspect that W. will be attacked by his > detractors, but I also feel that > > with the great stellium in his 11th house he will > have huge support. It > > would surprise me that he would die. I may be > very wrong, but am > interested > > in discussion on how the two of you or any others > have witnessed his chart > > responding to transits or dashas as you expected > in the past that would > lead > > you to assume that it would respond so now. > > > > cynthia > > > > - > > Nicholas <jyotish108 > > <gjlist> > > Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:43 PM > > Re: [GJ] G W Bush > > > > > > > Dear Dean > > > You are not the only one .When GW was running > against Gore I predicted a > > GW > > > victory with an assassination . > > > Note that Jupiter Lord of disputes is close to > his Lagna Lord and > aspceted > > > by the planet of intrigues Rahu . > > > Saturn the Lord of death sits in his ascendent > and is the current MD > > .Watch > > > the period when Rahu goes stationary at 24 > Taurus.This is also a Rahu > > return > > > for him . > > > Cheers > > > Nicholas > > > - > > > "deandddd" <0108 > > > <gjlist> > > > Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM > > > [GJ] G W Bush > > > > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > I swear I don't like the longevity inthe chart > of George W. Bush, > > > > I've mentioned this > > > > before. Nailini Kanta originally brought this > up, although he felt > > > > that the > > > > dangerous time for Bush was in March of this > year. > > > > > > > > G.W. has the Sun in the house of loss, which > suggests that his end > > > > will come > > > > in government. Mars aspecting the house of > death suggests a violent > > > > end- > > > > that would only come while he is in office. > Two fiery planets > > > > surrounding > > > > the ascendant in masculine signs go a long way > towards reinforcing > > > > this > > > > indication. Death should come in the Saturn > major period ( the current > > > > one ), because Saturn is the indicator of > longevity and owns two > > > > maraka, > > > > death-inflicting houses. > > > > > > > > The sub period of Saturn-Jupiter is the last > one of the Saturn major > > > > period, > > > > but Jupiter is too benefic to take care of > that task, Jupiter just > > > > isn't > > > > empowered for that. But the current sub period > of Saturn-Rahu is, and > > > > Rahu > > > > ends in October. > > > > > > > > Transit-wise, the end of April and May look > nasty. > > > > > > > > I really feel strong about all this. > > > > > > > > Dharma/Dean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Dear Sonia Not just the poor countries .My father was a member of parliament in Australia and saw all sorts of deals by which the politicians enriched themselves and their friends .At one stage he took the matter up in the party room .Later on he was taken aside by one of the ministers and told " look there is plenty to go around if you know how to play the game ." Government legislation and policies have enormous impact on companies ,businesses share values and land values making way for the most rapid of profits for those in the know and on side .Plus the government itself spends huge wads of money .No corruption commision can keep up with all the scams going . The difference in wealthy countries is that the cheating is less brutal and there is more money to go around .It is said that the surest way to make money is the taxing power . Best Wishes Nicholas - "sonia tanganchi" <dhanus10 <gjlist> Friday, April 05, 2002 11:29 AM Re: [GJ] G W Bush > Hi Nicholas > > I think most of us wud not be at all surprised with KN > Rao's observations. Most politicians are no different > from criminals especially in the poor countries. They > are robbing their countries dry with blatant nepotism, > corruption, etc..... > > Regards > Sonia > > --- Nicholas <jyotish108 wrote: > > Dear Cynthia > > I haven't got time right at the moment to make a > > detailed reply but I'll > > offer some food for thought .K.N.Rao who has seen > > many politicians charts > > made the comment once that the classical texts give > > combinations for being a > > King (Rajyogas) and also combinations for being a > > criminal .He said that > > both combinations are found in the charts of > > politicians .Also it was clear > > to me that G W Bush was presented to the people as > > their leader by the back > > room boys .He was not elevated on the basis of his > > record or talent . > > Nicholas > > - > > "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak > > <gjlist> > > Friday, April 05, 2002 12:59 AM > > Re: [GJ] G W Bush > > > > > > > Dear Don and Nicholas > > > > > > With all of these dire placements in GWB's chart, > > why do you think he won > > > and how do you makes sense of this in terms of his > > success thus far? > > > > > > I am always struggling as an astrology to make > > sense of what is not so > > > obvious. For example, I had a client this week > > with a very difficult 6th > > > house, a Vedic astrologer and ayurvedic physician > > in another city told her > > > years ago that her health would be awful and he > > didn't know why she was > > even > > > alive! The point of this is that when things look > > bad, and they do not > > > appear to be so, how to make sense of it? Isn't > > it interesting that with > > > these facets in his chart (and I am not disputing > > that they are there) > > that > > > the plane that was attempting to hit the > > Whitehouse was stopped and that > > he > > > was not even there. Would that simply be the > > grace of Jupiter, who is > > also > > > transiting his 12th house Sun now, or perhaps > > there comes a time when the > > > chart operates at a different level. > > > > > > Could it be that ol' W is now using that 12th > > house placement as part of a > > > greater plan than we can see? Could it simply be > > that he is in > > governmental > > > office? (that 12th house Sun seems to recur in > > the charts of public > > > officials that do not die in office.) Finally, if > > the Saturn MD is to be > > so > > > fatal, why has he been so successful? Please, I > > am not being > > argumentative, > > > just trying to look at it from different angels. > > I have found that when a > > > kala sarpa approaches life or his desires as W. > > did when he began the run > > > for the nomination that their lives seem to truly > > come into the grasp of > > > destiny and are therefore outside the realm of > > obvious or literal > > > prediction. > > > > > > I could be totally over the edge here, but I had > > little formal Vedic > > > astrology training when I began to look at clients > > and their charts. I > > had > > > a lot of experience in reading western charts and > > have a long-time history > > > of understanding the feel for transits rather than > > the actual events that > > > come with that. My belief is that the events are > > secondary to what is > > > actually being both taught and learned by the > > journey of life.I am an > > > observer and when Kala Sarpa yoga folks say "I > > will see if there is > > support > > > for my making a run for the nomination." Rather > > than I want to get the > > > nomination then that nodal axis takes on a whole > > different tone than what > > is > > > obvious. > > > > > > I suspect that W. will be attacked by his > > detractors, but I also feel that > > > with the great stellium in his 11th house he will > > have huge support. It > > > would surprise me that he would die. I may be > > very wrong, but am > > interested > > > in discussion on how the two of you or any others > > have witnessed his chart > > > responding to transits or dashas as you expected > > in the past that would > > lead > > > you to assume that it would respond so now. > > > > > > cynthia > > > > > > - > > > Nicholas <jyotish108 > > > <gjlist> > > > Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:43 PM > > > Re: [GJ] G W Bush > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dean > > > > You are not the only one .When GW was running > > against Gore I predicted a > > > GW > > > > victory with an assassination . > > > > Note that Jupiter Lord of disputes is close to > > his Lagna Lord and > > aspceted > > > > by the planet of intrigues Rahu . > > > > Saturn the Lord of death sits in his ascendent > > and is the current MD > > > .Watch > > > > the period when Rahu goes stationary at 24 > > Taurus.This is also a Rahu > > > return > > > > for him . > > > > Cheers > > > > Nicholas > > > > - > > > > "deandddd" <0108 > > > > <gjlist> > > > > Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM > > > > [GJ] G W Bush > > > > > > > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > I swear I don't like the longevity inthe chart > > of George W. Bush, > > > > > I've mentioned this > > > > > before. Nailini Kanta originally brought this > > up, although he felt > > > > > that the > > > > > dangerous time for Bush was in March of this > > year. > > > > > > > > > > G.W. has the Sun in the house of loss, which > > suggests that his end > > > > > will come > > > > > in government. Mars aspecting the house of > > death suggests a violent > > > > > end- > > > > > that would only come while he is in office. > > Two fiery planets > > > > > surrounding > > > > > the ascendant in masculine signs go a long way > > towards reinforcing > > > > > this > > > > > indication. Death should come in the Saturn > > major period ( the current > > > > > one ), because Saturn is the indicator of > > longevity and owns two > > > > > maraka, > > > > > death-inflicting houses. > > > > > > > > > > The sub period of Saturn-Jupiter is the last > > one of the Saturn major > > > > > period, > > > > > but Jupiter is too benefic to take care of > > that task, Jupiter just > > > > > isn't > > > > > empowered for that. But the current sub period > > of Saturn-Rahu is, and > > > > > Rahu > > > > > ends in October. > > > > > > > > > > Transit-wise, the end of April and May look > > nasty. > > > > > > > > > > I really feel strong about all this. > > > > > > > > > > Dharma/Dean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes./ > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 What about the results of a nodal return for ordinary folks like me. My natal Rahu is also in Taurus & Natal Moon in Gemini.So what do you see in a nodal return coupled with Sadasatti ,occuring during the Vimshottari Mahadasa of a Benefic 2nd & 5th lord. The concentration of Planets in May will also be in Taurus which happens to be the Lagna. Regards, Fayyaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 And there is KSY (or KAY) also in the chart with all planets between Lagna & 7th house Starting from Rahu in Lagna (Taurus)& ending with Ketu and Venus in the 7th. Reg Fayyaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 Dear Don This is very thorough and interesting. I read every word and will reread it later. I'm still curious about the nodal return for a kala sarpa. Do you think that this makes it more ominous? Why do you think that he was not killed in Sept. I wonder, while reading your words and of course listening to his words yesterday regarding Israel and Arafat, perhaps an Israeli would turn on him, a former friend. There is much to the Enron scandal that is still to surface, I believe that the gathering of planets in May, in Mrigashira is all about revealing all sorts of terrorism and setting the heavens back in balance <following the myth literally> I don't see him dying, but he may be threatened. I've often wondered what would give him passionate followers as the stellium in the 11th would literally suggest, perhaps that would be an assassination attempt. I would think he would be most vulnerable when the planets move into the 12th than the 11th. To me, he is most in danger in June or July than April, but then, I haven't seen the nodal returns of kala sarpa clients kill them, I have seen it bring them to their knees and force a transformation of some sort. Rahu wants to grab onto something so much that he literally loses his head, Ketu is fear and anxiety but ultimately forces us to let go of what we thought was_____. Perhaps he will realize that his mentors are giving him false information. You see, I have never voted for the man, but I do not see him as the evil emperor. i do see him susceptible to the information of others. Is it an accident that Colin Powell was against the Israeli action, he has a meeting with GWB and not Bush is against it? He may be more malleable than we would think. Perhaps too the power of the office, much like the power of becoming a Supreme Court judge has its own gravity and he will want to do what is right rather than what the polls say. I could be totally wacked, but this is my hunch. I see something in his face that is very humane that was not there a year ago. I sense that he wants to do what is right, just sorting through to get it is a challenge. Anyway, time will tell. I do value your insights and appreciate your perspective as well as your willingness to dialogue. I guess I've seen more positive things from kala sarpa yoga than others. cynthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 Dear Cynthia, I would like to quote something from Dr. KS Charak in reference to Marakas. "Lords of houses two and seven act as maraks or death-inflictors. Their dasha cause death if the life span is over; else they lead to disease. Planets which occupy the maraka houses or associate with maraka planets aguire maraka potential. Other than the maraka planets, the lords of the 12th, the eighth as well as the sixth houses may aquire maraka potential. Saturn and Rahu can behave as unqualified marakas; ie, they need not own adverse houses in order to kill." The situation for Bush is more dangerous and full of intrigue than many could begin to suspect. I personally feel he cannot possibly see September. I will stand by that declaration and be proved right or wrong accordingly. He know more about Bush than most people, so feel comfortable when I assess the indications of the chart against what I know of his lifestyle before the presidency and the legacy of intrigue from which he comes. The kala sarpa yoga for this chart shows that there has to be other factors involved in his placement into the White House, as this is not a person with a chart that show a public lifestyle, all the planets except the nodes are below the horizon, most of this person's life in normal circumstances would go unnoticed according to my understanding. It may provide him with a stubborn streak, which I confess made me laugh when he said to the press that they expect me to just read these cards, but I don't listen to them. *s* If you go to www.bushisms.com you will get some idea of what I mean, and why his controllers are limiting his appearances as much as possible. I tend to agree with you about his intentions being good. Unless the moon is heavily for a Cancer ascendant I think they are usually attuned to dharma, and the right results for the masses. But I too judging from the enemies he is fed the information in a way that will get him to do as they want. There was speculation the bruise was not from a pretzel but that is speculation. Those around him are experts at using information and disinformation the use it to influence the media constanly, the CIA has agents in every major outlet in the USA, and CNN has a military official sitting in the broadcasting centre around the clock, so there ya go. The other thing I want to touch on about the nodal return is that it acts as a trigger, and will usually initiate events that are very karmic in nature. If it doesn't happen immediately (sept) they may the events around the unfolding intrigue or drama plays itself out. To understand Collin Powell, you have to understand that there are a few factions in your government, Powell is known as a member of faction two that are against the agenda of faction one which consists of the NWO boys CFR, Georgetown grads, trilateral commission etc. The events in the US and Isreal are being manipulated and when I say things are not as they appear, most would be stunned to know the truth. I will not post anything regarding that as it detracts from the Chart. I use it though myself because if your looking at a chart of a person in a small village in timbuck two, the same chart will play out differently in another country, age, etc. I have looked at the new moon for Canada using Ottawa as the country capital as recommended by Robert and will put up the time in case any one wants to take a look or comment. I will send it on another email this is getting lengthy. Respectfully, Don - "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak <gjlist> Friday, April 05, 2002 2:36 PM Re: [GJ] G W Bush > Dear Don > > This is very thorough and interesting. I read every word and will reread it > later. > > I'm still curious about the nodal return for a kala sarpa. Do you think > that this makes it more ominous? > > Why do you think that he was not killed in Sept. > > I wonder, while reading your words and of course listening to his words > yesterday regarding Israel and Arafat, perhaps an Israeli would turn on him, > a former friend. There is much to the Enron scandal that is still to > surface, I believe that the gathering of planets in May, in Mrigashira is > all about revealing all sorts of terrorism and setting the heavens back in > balance <following the myth literally> I don't see him dying, but he may be > threatened. I've often wondered what would give him passionate followers as > the stellium in the 11th would literally suggest, perhaps that would be an > assassination attempt. > > I would think he would be most vulnerable when the planets move into the > 12th than the 11th. To me, he is most in danger in June or July than April, > but then, I haven't seen the nodal returns of kala sarpa clients kill them, > I have seen it bring them to their knees and force a transformation of some > sort. Rahu wants to grab onto something so much that he literally loses his > head, Ketu is fear and anxiety but ultimately forces us to let go of what we > thought was_____. Perhaps he will realize that his mentors are giving him > false information. > > You see, I have never voted for the man, but I do not see him as the evil > emperor. i do see him susceptible to the information of others. Is it an > accident that Colin Powell was against the Israeli action, he has a meeting > with GWB and not Bush is against it? He may be more malleable than we would > think. Perhaps too the power of the office, much like the power of becoming > a Supreme Court judge has its own gravity and he will want to do what is > right rather than what the polls say. I could be totally wacked, but this > is my hunch. I see something in his face that is very humane that was not > there a year ago. I sense that he wants to do what is right, just sorting > through to get it is a challenge. > > Anyway, time will tell. I do value your insights and appreciate your > perspective as well as your willingness to dialogue. I guess I've seen more > positive things from kala sarpa yoga than others. > > cynthia > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2002 Report Share Posted April 6, 2002 gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote: > Dear Dean > You are not the only one Nicholas, I am really not the only one, I got it from the website of Nalini Kanta. I think that the transits around the end of April, and in May, are really evil for him. When is Rahu stationary at 24* Taurus? Dharma/Dean, aka Dharmapada ..When GW was running against Gore I predicted a GW > victory with an assassination . > Note that Jupiter Lord of disputes is close to his Lagna Lord and aspceted > by the planet of intrigues Rahu . > Saturn the Lord of death sits in his ascendent and is the current MD .Watch > the period when Rahu goes stationary at 24 Taurus.This is also a Rahu return > for him . > Cheers > Nicholas > - > "deandddd" <0108@t...> > <gjlist> > Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM > [GJ] G W Bush > > > > Members, > > > > I swear I don't like the longevity inthe chart of George W. Bush, > > I've mentioned this > > before. Nailini Kanta originally brought this up, although he felt > > that the > > dangerous time for Bush was in March of this year. > > > > G.W. has the Sun in the house of loss, which suggests that his end > > will come > > in government. Mars aspecting the house of death suggests a violent > > end- > > that would only come while he is in office. Two fiery planets > > surrounding > > the ascendant in masculine signs go a long way towards reinforcing > > this > > indication. Death should come in the Saturn major period ( the current > > one ), because Saturn is the indicator of longevity and owns two > > maraka, > > death-inflicting houses. > > > > The sub period of Saturn-Jupiter is the last one of the Saturn major > > period, > > but Jupiter is too benefic to take care of that task, Jupiter just > > isn't > > empowered for that. But the current sub period of Saturn-Rahu is, and > > Rahu > > ends in October. > > > > Transit-wise, the end of April and May look nasty. > > > > I really feel strong about all this. > > > > Dharma/Dean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2002 Report Share Posted April 6, 2002 gjlist, "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak@w...> wrote: > Dear Don and Nicholas > > With all of these dire placements in GWB's chart, why do you think he won > and how do you makes sense of this in terms of his success thus far? Cynthia, His chart can be strong in one way and weak in another. He could be the king of the world walking down the street, and his chart would have to show that. It would have to be powereful. Then a flower pot could fall on his head from the 12th floor and kill him, and his chart would have to show that, too. In the case of Aurangzeb, Yogakaraka Saturn exalted in the ascendant gave him all kinds of raj yoga results, but then also signaled his death at the end. Tis possible. Dharma/Dean, aka Dharmapad > > I am always struggling as an astrology to make sense of what is not so > obvious. For example, I had a client this week with a very difficult 6th > house, a Vedic astrologer and ayurvedic physician in another city told her > years ago that her health would be awful and he didn't know why she was even > alive! The point of this is that when things look bad, and they do not > appear to be so, how to make sense of it? Isn't it interesting that with > these facets in his chart (and I am not disputing that they are there) that > the plane that was attempting to hit the Whitehouse was stopped and that he > was not even there. Would that simply be the grace of Jupiter, who is also > transiting his 12th house Sun now, or perhaps there comes a time when the > chart operates at a different level. > > Could it be that ol' W is now using that 12th house placement as part of a > greater plan than we can see? Could it simply be that he is in governmental > office? (that 12th house Sun seems to recur in the charts of public > officials that do not die in office.) Finally, if the Saturn MD is to be so > fatal, why has he been so successful? Please, I am not being argumentative, > just trying to look at it from different angels. I have found that when a > kala sarpa approaches life or his desires as W. did when he began the run > for the nomination that their lives seem to truly come into the grasp of > destiny and are therefore outside the realm of obvious or literal > prediction. > > I could be totally over the edge here, but I had little formal Vedic > astrology training when I began to look at clients and their charts. I had > a lot of experience in reading western charts and have a long-time history > of understanding the feel for transits rather than the actual events that > come with that. My belief is that the events are secondary to what is > actually being both taught and learned by the journey of life.I am an > observer and when Kala Sarpa yoga folks say "I will see if there is support > for my making a run for the nomination." Rather than I want to get the > nomination then that nodal axis takes on a whole different tone than what is > obvious. > > I suspect that W. will be attacked by his detractors, but I also feel that > with the great stellium in his 11th house he will have huge support. It > would surprise me that he would die. I may be very wrong, but am interested > in discussion on how the two of you or any others have witnessed his chart > responding to transits or dashas as you expected in the past that would lead > you to assume that it would respond so now. > > cynthia > > - > Nicholas <jyotish108@h...> > <gjlist> > Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:43 PM > Re: [GJ] G W Bush > > > > Dear Dean > > You are not the only one .When GW was running against Gore I predicted a > GW > > victory with an assassination . > > Note that Jupiter Lord of disputes is close to his Lagna Lord and aspceted > > by the planet of intrigues Rahu . > > Saturn the Lord of death sits in his ascendent and is the current MD > .Watch > > the period when Rahu goes stationary at 24 Taurus.This is also a Rahu > return > > for him . > > Cheers > > Nicholas > > - > > "deandddd" <0108@t...> > > <gjlist> > > Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM > > [GJ] G W Bush > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > I swear I don't like the longevity inthe chart of George W. Bush, > > > I've mentioned this > > > before. Nailini Kanta originally brought this up, although he felt > > > that the > > > dangerous time for Bush was in March of this year. > > > > > > G.W. has the Sun in the house of loss, which suggests that his end > > > will come > > > in government. Mars aspecting the house of death suggests a violent > > > end- > > > that would only come while he is in office. Two fiery planets > > > surrounding > > > the ascendant in masculine signs go a long way towards reinforcing > > > this > > > indication. Death should come in the Saturn major period ( the current > > > one ), because Saturn is the indicator of longevity and owns two > > > maraka, > > > death-inflicting houses. > > > > > > The sub period of Saturn-Jupiter is the last one of the Saturn major > > > period, > > > but Jupiter is too benefic to take care of that task, Jupiter just > > > isn't > > > empowered for that. But the current sub period of Saturn-Rahu is, and > > > Rahu > > > ends in October. > > > > > > Transit-wise, the end of April and May look nasty. > > > > > > I really feel strong about all this. > > > > > > Dharma/Dean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2002 Report Share Posted April 7, 2002 Dear Dharmapada The nodes go stationary about May 24 for a month at 24 degrees Taurus / Scorpio . This will tightly aspect GWBs Moon Jupiter conjunction . I believe this will be the time for an assassination. Hare Krishna Nicholas PS where is Nalini's website - "deandddd" <0108 <gjlist> Sunday, April 07, 2002 10:48 AM Re: [GJ] G W Bush > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote: > > Dear Dean > > You are not the only one > > Nicholas, > > I am really not the only one, I got it from the website of Nalini > Kanta. > > I think that the transits around the end of April, and in May, are > really evil for him. When is Rahu stationary at 24* Taurus? > > Dharma/Dean, aka Dharmapada > > > > .When GW was running against Gore I predicted a GW > > victory with an assassination . > > Note that Jupiter Lord of disputes is close to his Lagna Lord and > aspceted > > by the planet of intrigues Rahu . > > Saturn the Lord of death sits in his ascendent and is the current > MD .Watch > > the period when Rahu goes stationary at 24 Taurus.This is also a > Rahu return > > for him . > > Cheers > > Nicholas > > - > > "deandddd" <0108@t...> > > <gjlist> > > Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM > > [GJ] G W Bush > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > I swear I don't like the longevity inthe chart of George W. Bush, > > > I've mentioned this > > > before. Nailini Kanta originally brought this up, although he felt > > > that the > > > dangerous time for Bush was in March of this year. > > > > > > G.W. has the Sun in the house of loss, which suggests that his end > > > will come > > > in government. Mars aspecting the house of death suggests a > violent > > > end- > > > that would only come while he is in office. Two fiery planets > > > surrounding > > > the ascendant in masculine signs go a long way towards reinforcing > > > this > > > indication. Death should come in the Saturn major period ( the > current > > > one ), because Saturn is the indicator of longevity and owns two > > > maraka, > > > death-inflicting houses. > > > > > > The sub period of Saturn-Jupiter is the last one of the Saturn > major > > > period, > > > but Jupiter is too benefic to take care of that task, Jupiter just > > > isn't > > > empowered for that. But the current sub period of Saturn-Rahu is, > and > > > Rahu > > > ends in October. > > > > > > Transit-wise, the end of April and May look nasty. > > > > > > I really feel strong about all this. > > > > > > Dharma/Dean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2002 Report Share Posted April 7, 2002 Nicholas I've not noticed that the stationary period could be a month long, how can that happen, isn't it typically a few days? Is it that the movement is so subtle? I just had Rahu stand on my Mars and that was no fun at all. I find that the transits of Rahu are frustration. You want things the way you want them and the universe says NO. c - Nicholas <jyotish108 <gjlist> Sunday, April 07, 2002 4:29 AM Re: [GJ] G W Bush > Dear Dharmapada > The nodes go stationary about May 24 for a month at 24 degrees Taurus / > Scorpio . > This will tightly aspect GWBs Moon Jupiter conjunction . > I believe this will be the time for an assassination. > Hare Krishna > Nicholas > PS where is Nalini's website > - > "deandddd" <0108 > <gjlist> > Sunday, April 07, 2002 10:48 AM > Re: [GJ] G W Bush > > > > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote: > > > Dear Dean > > > You are not the only one > > > > Nicholas, > > > > I am really not the only one, I got it from the website of Nalini > > Kanta. > > > > I think that the transits around the end of April, and in May, are > > really evil for him. When is Rahu stationary at 24* Taurus? > > > > Dharma/Dean, aka Dharmapada > > > > > > > > .When GW was running against Gore I predicted a GW > > > victory with an assassination . > > > Note that Jupiter Lord of disputes is close to his Lagna Lord and > > aspceted > > > by the planet of intrigues Rahu . > > > Saturn the Lord of death sits in his ascendent and is the current > > MD .Watch > > > the period when Rahu goes stationary at 24 Taurus.This is also a > > Rahu return > > > for him . > > > Cheers > > > Nicholas > > > - > > > "deandddd" <0108@t...> > > > <gjlist> > > > Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM > > > [GJ] G W Bush > > > > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > I swear I don't like the longevity inthe chart of George W. Bush, > > > > I've mentioned this > > > > before. Nailini Kanta originally brought this up, although he felt > > > > that the > > > > dangerous time for Bush was in March of this year. > > > > > > > > G.W. has the Sun in the house of loss, which suggests that his end > > > > will come > > > > in government. Mars aspecting the house of death suggests a > > violent > > > > end- > > > > that would only come while he is in office. Two fiery planets > > > > surrounding > > > > the ascendant in masculine signs go a long way towards reinforcing > > > > this > > > > indication. Death should come in the Saturn major period ( the > > current > > > > one ), because Saturn is the indicator of longevity and owns two > > > > maraka, > > > > death-inflicting houses. > > > > > > > > The sub period of Saturn-Jupiter is the last one of the Saturn > > major > > > > period, > > > > but Jupiter is too benefic to take care of that task, Jupiter just > > > > isn't > > > > empowered for that. But the current sub period of Saturn-Rahu is, > > and > > > > Rahu > > > > ends in October. > > > > > > > > Transit-wise, the end of April and May look nasty. > > > > > > > > I really feel strong about all this. > > > > > > > > Dharma/Dean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > : gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2002 Report Share Posted April 7, 2002 Dear Dean I do not doubt that it is possible for one to be a king and also to be hit by a bus, I'm just wondering with the Jupiter transit on his Sun in Sept when there was actually a flying bomb seeking him out he was spared, Jupiter (grace) is also transiting in April so why would he not be spared then as well. I may look like I am in denial, but I'm cautious about predicting someone's demise. don't want to put any energy there. It seems that folks are born, live and die on their own time. I do not think it is as easy predict, I've been surprised too many times over the years. I also wonder why we need to try to predict death and what that says about us. The transits are indeed concerning, but I hope that he or his family do not read what astrologers are saying because it would be very painful. Then again, they know that he is a mos desireable target and assasination would be in the forefront of their thoughts. Just musing and discussing the possibilities. My Mercury Mars does stimulate me to look at the other side most of the time. <grins> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2002 Report Share Posted April 7, 2002 I recall that the Rahu transit was strong when he won the election. You may assume that he stole it, but the electoral system is the one used here. When the recount was done in Florida it was the consummate joke. When they recounted using the criteria of the Reps. Gore won, when they did the same with the criteria of the Dems. Bush won. Regardless of what you have heard about this country, we still have elections and struggle to try to hold onto the constitution. Astrologically, I recall that a man elected to high office usually must have a strong Rahu transit. Perhaps this station will give his huge popularity. Perhaps that will come after he is assassinated or attempt is made at such. c - Nicholas <jyotish108 <gjlist> Sunday, April 07, 2002 4:29 AM Re: [GJ] G W Bush > Dear Dharmapada > The nodes go stationary about May 24 for a month at 24 degrees Taurus / > Scorpio . > This will tightly aspect GWBs Moon Jupiter conjunction . > I believe this will be the time for an assassination. > Hare Krishna > Nicholas > PS where is Nalini's website > - > "deandddd" <0108 > <gjlist> > Sunday, April 07, 2002 10:48 AM > Re: [GJ] G W Bush > > > > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote: > > > Dear Dean > > > You are not the only one > > > > Nicholas, > > > > I am really not the only one, I got it from the website of Nalini > > Kanta. > > > > I think that the transits around the end of April, and in May, are > > really evil for him. When is Rahu stationary at 24* Taurus? > > > > Dharma/Dean, aka Dharmapada > > > > > > > > .When GW was running against Gore I predicted a GW > > > victory with an assassination . > > > Note that Jupiter Lord of disputes is close to his Lagna Lord and > > aspceted > > > by the planet of intrigues Rahu . > > > Saturn the Lord of death sits in his ascendent and is the current > > MD .Watch > > > the period when Rahu goes stationary at 24 Taurus.This is also a > > Rahu return > > > for him . > > > Cheers > > > Nicholas > > > - > > > "deandddd" <0108@t...> > > > <gjlist> > > > Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM > > > [GJ] G W Bush > > > > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > I swear I don't like the longevity inthe chart of George W. Bush, > > > > I've mentioned this > > > > before. Nailini Kanta originally brought this up, although he felt > > > > that the > > > > dangerous time for Bush was in March of this year. > > > > > > > > G.W. has the Sun in the house of loss, which suggests that his end > > > > will come > > > > in government. Mars aspecting the house of death suggests a > > violent > > > > end- > > > > that would only come while he is in office. Two fiery planets > > > > surrounding > > > > the ascendant in masculine signs go a long way towards reinforcing > > > > this > > > > indication. Death should come in the Saturn major period ( the > > current > > > > one ), because Saturn is the indicator of longevity and owns two > > > > maraka, > > > > death-inflicting houses. > > > > > > > > The sub period of Saturn-Jupiter is the last one of the Saturn > > major > > > > period, > > > > but Jupiter is too benefic to take care of that task, Jupiter just > > > > isn't > > > > empowered for that. But the current sub period of Saturn-Rahu is, > > and > > > > Rahu > > > > ends in October. > > > > > > > > Transit-wise, the end of April and May look nasty. > > > > > > > > I really feel strong about all this. > > > > > > > > Dharma/Dean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > : gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2002 Report Share Posted April 7, 2002 Dear Cynthia I have Rahu at 24 04 Taurus on May 20 and 23 58 Taurus on 24 June . Best Wishes Nicholas - "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak <gjlist> Monday, April 08, 2002 6:15 AM Re: [GJ] G W Bush > Nicholas > > I've not noticed that the stationary period could be a month long, how can > that happen, isn't it typically a few days? Is it that the movement is so > subtle? I just had Rahu stand on my Mars and that was no fun at all. I > find that the transits of Rahu are frustration. You want things the way you > want them and the universe says NO. > > c > > > - > Nicholas <jyotish108 > <gjlist> > Sunday, April 07, 2002 4:29 AM > Re: [GJ] G W Bush > > > > Dear Dharmapada > > The nodes go stationary about May 24 for a month at 24 degrees Taurus / > > Scorpio . > > This will tightly aspect GWBs Moon Jupiter conjunction . > > I believe this will be the time for an assassination. > > Hare Krishna > > Nicholas > > PS where is Nalini's website > > - > > "deandddd" <0108 > > <gjlist> > > Sunday, April 07, 2002 10:48 AM > > Re: [GJ] G W Bush > > > > > > > gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote: > > > > Dear Dean > > > > You are not the only one > > > > > > Nicholas, > > > > > > I am really not the only one, I got it from the website of Nalini > > > Kanta. > > > > > > I think that the transits around the end of April, and in May, are > > > really evil for him. When is Rahu stationary at 24* Taurus? > > > > > > Dharma/Dean, aka Dharmapada > > > > > > > > > > > > .When GW was running against Gore I predicted a GW > > > > victory with an assassination . > > > > Note that Jupiter Lord of disputes is close to his Lagna Lord and > > > aspceted > > > > by the planet of intrigues Rahu . > > > > Saturn the Lord of death sits in his ascendent and is the current > > > MD .Watch > > > > the period when Rahu goes stationary at 24 Taurus.This is also a > > > Rahu return > > > > for him . > > > > Cheers > > > > Nicholas > > > > - > > > > "deandddd" <0108@t...> > > > > <gjlist> > > > > Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM > > > > [GJ] G W Bush > > > > > > > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > I swear I don't like the longevity inthe chart of George W. Bush, > > > > > I've mentioned this > > > > > before. Nailini Kanta originally brought this up, although he felt > > > > > that the > > > > > dangerous time for Bush was in March of this year. > > > > > > > > > > G.W. has the Sun in the house of loss, which suggests that his end > > > > > will come > > > > > in government. Mars aspecting the house of death suggests a > > > violent > > > > > end- > > > > > that would only come while he is in office. Two fiery planets > > > > > surrounding > > > > > the ascendant in masculine signs go a long way towards reinforcing > > > > > this > > > > > indication. Death should come in the Saturn major period ( the > > > current > > > > > one ), because Saturn is the indicator of longevity and owns two > > > > > maraka, > > > > > death-inflicting houses. > > > > > > > > > > The sub period of Saturn-Jupiter is the last one of the Saturn > > > major > > > > > period, > > > > > but Jupiter is too benefic to take care of that task, Jupiter just > > > > > isn't > > > > > empowered for that. But the current sub period of Saturn-Rahu is, > > > and > > > > > Rahu > > > > > ends in October. > > > > > > > > > > Transit-wise, the end of April and May look nasty. > > > > > > > > > > I really feel strong about all this. > > > > > > > > > > Dharma/Dean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > > : gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2002 Report Share Posted April 7, 2002 I agree about May and June...the period from May 10 to June 11ish really makes my ears perk ...I can't help feel though that whatever transpires will recreat a significant catalyst and ultimate transformation in the long run for mankind. Also, IMHO, as a reminder that some things that are going on behind the scenes politically are just as powerful and altering as those we see on the news...so that sometimes what we don't see or have privy to are not necessarily brought to light until later. So looking for a bomb or tragic event will miss the point. Sometimes far worse things are decided behind closed doors. It will be interesting to see the full transforming affect later from this time period. I do think some aspects of Bush are "waking" up to a variety of realities...but there was already much in motion before he took office...so he is playing out his karmic role and IMHO will be ill remembered as a Puppet President. The people pulling the strings may not like him to tug back...April 25th all his bhadak planets will be in his bhadak house (11th) with respect to his Rasi chart plus he is will be running SaRaMeMe dasa ...and then sun moves in with SA RA ME MA VE on May 14th..but I think he will be fine as Ra is well placed and helps to mitigate the effects. When Gu moves into his Lagna on July 4 (how appropriate to be on USA Independence Day) he may become a wiser leader and may speak better and with more conscience. Ra may just protect this man during this interesting time. SaRaSuMa dasa in Apr 2003 looks a bit tougher for Bush somehow. I am not saying that he will not have an attack on his life during May 2002 but if he does and survives it he will be even more powerful and could be seriously caught off guard starting in April 18-15, 2003 when he no longer serves the puppet master. With so many planets illuminating together...the human mind may wake up to higher realities.As for realities, there is also a lot of false financial activities abounding in various countries and the US is not immune to those influences (Enron) however...the transformation is already been initiated as many financial groups are scrambling to try to securely anchor their businesses. It is interesting that the ripple in the pond was created and is now gaining momentum. Guru in July will give the US some "appearances" of improvement...Germany, Japan, Great Britain,... so many countries have serious financial issues and the games that people have played are beginning to surface. Which brings me to my question...each country has their karma and yet there is a time when the arms of each country join and equal the earth's karma (chart)...we are seeing more and more a union of country karma...financially, with terrorism, health issues, ecological issues...perhaps this means something new is already being created...perhaps solely a global chart. Any value such as denial, judging, religion, etc...any negative value will detract from a wholeness which it would be seem we are being asked to form. Just as we see the Navamsa confirming much of Rasi...perhaps the Navamsa chart of each nation could be drawn together to express some value of that with which we create a true union..with our dear Bhoomi. So is it possible that the truest of Navamsa for each nation is Earth's chart itself...and we are seeing that union more and more? I would also like to clearly state that I do not have any fear regarding the issues of this time...but a feeling of good evolution. On the individual level of each nation the awareness may be of concerns, worries, and trying issues...but on the global chart perhaps some raising of consciousness through our collective lessons - we all want killing to stop, food for all, wisdom to reign. etc. Our technologies keep drawing us together...is this a function only of technology but perhaps again is that of our "global joining". The upcoming planets for the next few months perhaps facilitate the truest goal of unity. I believe too that Rahu will lesson the impact in the end...but even that is said without sentiment. I see the Earth moving towards more integrity, awareness of what we know and choose to know of others thus allowing for growth of tolerance, and a slow growth of realizing that our responsibility for our ripples in the pond are far-reaching. Across Canada provincial governments are trying to be become fiscally responsible. Globally, the Vatican and Anglican Churches are answering some serious charges and assuming their responsibiity. As we move into a new time for mankind...we are seeing more and more a need for integrity, truth, sweetness and responsibility. The headlines may serve us only negative values but they are a sweet and swift reminder of a fast purification occurring on this planet. I believe that despite the changes that will occur to the global mind some deception will exist throughout the final stages of purification (which could be a long time - no sentiment here)...but that the new global mind is already establishing itself...even on a small part by the very existence of this list and others. My sweet jyotish, I invite you to enjoy this next period...for with Rahu providing some shelter, changes will be occurring and IMHO it will be noted that there were occurrences during May, June and July of this year that create significant change for mankind. We are at a crossroad...the earth is making a choice...we need to have positive energy towards a better life....FOR WHAT WE THINK WE SHALL MANIFEST. Love, light and laughter, Jyotish Brahmani PS Musings written not to offend anyone...only as food for thought. Don <avenger (AT) pacificcoast (DOT) net> wrote: Dean,I have to agree with you I think the end of May the Karmas of Bush and thecountry are entwined, and if you remember a post by Mr Robert Koch and hisassessement of possible events following the coming new moon, you know thatthe is about to be some destruction in the US as planets pile up in Taurus.Dennis Flaherty mentions in his newsletter the Memorial day week end asparticularly malefic. Saturn opposes pluto on saturday, followed by a fulllunar eclipse on the 27 of May, (Bush cancer ascendant) with the moonaspecting every challenging malefic planet on Moonday.What I fear is not for Bush but for the Americian public, if hisassassination takes place with other very destructive events Martial lawwhich is waiting to spring will in fact come to fruition. This would beused by the faction that want to have a total police state in America. Thenwill come forced vaccinations, I presume Rahu in Taurus, but the affectswill not be beneficial. They have written up bill they are presently passingwhich will not allow people to refuse this shot, if they do they will internthem and take ALL their possessions, house and all.I can only say if I were in America presently, I would simply leave foranother country, I know several who have done just that.At the very least I would stock up on supplies, because it is going to getvery ugly.Best Regards,Don----- Original Message -----"deandddd" <0108 (AT) terra (DOT) com.br>Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:12 PM[GJ] G W Bush> Members,>> I swear I don't like the longevity inthe chart of George W. Bush,> I've mentioned this> before. Nailini Kanta originally brought this up, although he felt> that the> dangerous time for Bush was in March of this year.>> G.W. has the Sun in the house of loss, which suggests that his end> will come> in government. Mars aspecting the house of death suggests a violent> end-> that would only come while he is in office. Two fiery planets> surrounding> the ascendant in masculine signs go a long way towards reinforcing> this> indication. Death should come in the Saturn major period ( the current> one ), because Saturn is the indicator of longevity and owns two> maraka,> death-inflicting houses.>> The sub period of Saturn-Jupiter is the last one of the Saturn major> period,> but Jupiter is too benefic to take care of that task, Jupiter just> isn't> empowered for that. But the current sub period of Saturn-Rahu is, and> Rahu> ends in October.>> Transit-wise, the end of April and May look nasty.>> I really feel strong about all this.>> Dharma/Dean>>>>>>>> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> : gjlist-> http://www.goravani.com>>> Your use of is subject to >>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to Music, Movies, Sports, Games! Canada Entertainment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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