Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Dear Cynthia > I am always struggling as an astrology to make sense of what is not so > obvious. There are generalised rules available in many texts which work to a certain extent . However understanding the conditions under which exceptions arise is extremely subtle and I believe take years and years of experience .When do benfics in the 6th indicate a great worker rather than an argumentative or sickly person .When do benefics in the 12th represent success in foreign lands rather than a waste of positive energies .When does an activated 8th house indicate deep spiritual transformation as distinct from irreligion . In general it was considered that one had to reach 60 years before he/she could be accepted as a master of a Vedic discipline . The ability to blend the dashas with the transits on top of the natal chart also takes enormous practise .Plus considerable material knowledge may be required to answer certain questions .For example a pretty sound and thourough medical knowledge I believe is necessary before you can start attempting medical astrology .The same I believe to be true if one is going to predict stock markets or weather . Faced with all this many take shelter of a deity and allow the inspiration to come from within . Kind regards Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 Dear Nicholas Are you suggesting that simply because the astrologer does not "know all" from the chart that he should not practice jyotish? I will agree that it takes years of experience, and even though I have over 20 years practice with planetary transits and know a great deal about the outer-planet transits I know less about dashas and bhuktis then I did last month let alone last year. If I were to wait until age 60 to share what I know I would never know as much as I could come to know by age 60 <catch 22> I do "take shelter in a deity" and ask for inspiration because I know the limits of being human. I am not so egotistic to assume that I can know it all or know what is best for another. I do seem to have the ability to help clients with insights and really help them to untie their knots. Should I abstain from this because of my age? This work is so big that I spent 17 years studying and applying on a part-time basis before going full time. Many chided me for waiting so long, and now it seems that you are chiding me for not waiting long enough <grins> What I really hoped to do was to inspire discussion about those cases that do not seem to fit the obvious so that we might learn from them. There is something inherently off track to me when astrologers assume that the person is always where they were when they were born. That takes away the potential for evolution of consciousness and choice. That may be a radical idea, but it strikes me that we are faced with choices again and again. SOme learn when they are 20, other s 30 and others at 90. Some may not learn in this lifetime at all. The transits and dashas offer insight into the potential for learning and windows for that timing. I love to see when a person goes through an apparently difficult cycle in great rhythm with the universe. I ask questions and learn so that I might use the tools they used to help others. If I waited until I personally discovered all of these tools I might be waiting for lifetimes <grins> cynthia - Nicholas <jyotish108 <gjlist> Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:50 PM [GJ] Struggling with the not so obvious > Dear Cynthia > > > I am always struggling as an astrology to make sense of what is not so > > obvious. > > There are generalised rules available in many texts which work to a certain > extent . However understanding the conditions under which exceptions arise > is extremely subtle and I believe take years and years of experience ..When > do benfics in the 6th indicate a great worker rather than an argumentative > or sickly person .When do benefics in the 12th represent success in foreign > lands rather than a waste of positive energies .When does an activated 8th > house > indicate deep spiritual transformation > as distinct from irreligion . > > In general it was considered > that one had to reach 60 years before he/she could be accepted as a master > of a Vedic discipline . The ability to blend the dashas with the transits on > top of the natal chart also takes enormous practise .Plus considerable > material knowledge may be required to answer certain questions .For example > a pretty sound and thourough medical knowledge I believe is necessary before > you can start attempting medical astrology .The same I believe to be true if > one is going to predict stock markets or weather . > > Faced with all this many take shelter of a deity and allow the inspiration > to come from within . > > Kind regards > Nicholas > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2002 Report Share Posted April 7, 2002 Dear Cynthia Agreed .Now what conditions to the not so obvious significations arise as distinct from the more common significations . N - "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak <gjlist> Saturday, April 06, 2002 8:53 AM Re: [GJ] Struggling with the not so obvious > Dear Nicholas > > Are you suggesting that simply because the astrologer does not "know all" > from the chart that he should not practice jyotish? I will agree that it > takes years of experience, and even though I have over 20 years practice > with planetary transits and know a great deal about the outer-planet > transits I know less about dashas and bhuktis then I did last month let > alone last year. If I were to wait until age 60 to share what I know I > would never know as much as I could come to know by age 60 <catch 22> > > I do "take shelter in a deity" and ask for inspiration because I know the > limits of being human. I am not so egotistic to assume that I can know it > all or know what is best for another. I do seem to have the ability to help > clients with insights and really help them to untie their knots. Should I > abstain from this because of my age? This work is so big that I spent 17 > years studying and applying on a part-time basis before going full time. > Many chided me for waiting so long, and now it seems that you are chiding me > for not waiting long enough <grins> > > What I really hoped to do was to inspire discussion about those cases that > do not seem to fit the obvious so that we might learn from them. There is > something inherently off track to me when astrologers assume that the person > is always where they were when they were born. That takes away the > potential for evolution of consciousness and choice. That may be a radical > idea, but it strikes me that we are faced with choices again and again. > SOme learn when they are 20, other s 30 and others at 90. Some may not > learn in this lifetime at all. The transits and dashas offer insight into > the potential for learning and windows for that timing. > > I love to see when a person goes through an apparently difficult cycle in > great rhythm with the universe. I ask questions and learn so that I might > use the tools they used to help others. If I waited until I personally > discovered all of these tools I might be waiting for lifetimes <grins> > > cynthia > - > Nicholas <jyotish108 > <gjlist> > Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:50 PM > [GJ] Struggling with the not so obvious > > > > Dear Cynthia > > > > > I am always struggling as an astrology to make sense of what is not so > > > obvious. > > > > There are generalised rules available in many texts which work to a > certain > > extent . However understanding the conditions under which exceptions arise > > is extremely subtle and I believe take years and years of experience > .When > > do benfics in the 6th indicate a great worker rather than an argumentative > > or sickly person .When do benefics in the 12th represent success in > foreign > > lands rather than a waste of positive energies .When does an activated 8th > > house > > indicate deep spiritual transformation > > as distinct from irreligion . > > > > In general it was considered > > that one had to reach 60 years before he/she could be accepted as a master > > of a Vedic discipline . The ability to blend the dashas with the transits > on > > top of the natal chart also takes enormous practise .Plus considerable > > material knowledge may be required to answer certain questions .For > example > > a pretty sound and thourough medical knowledge I believe is necessary > before > > you can start attempting medical astrology .The same I believe to be true > if > > one is going to predict stock markets or weather . > > > > Faced with all this many take shelter of a deity and allow the inspiration > > to come from within . > > > > Kind regards > > Nicholas > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2002 Report Share Posted April 7, 2002 Note: forwarded message attached. Take me of the list thankyou Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes./ gjlist "Nicholas" jyotish108 Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact gjlist-owner Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:50:18 +1000 [GJ] Struggling with the not so obvious Dear Cynthia > I am always struggling as an astrology to make sense of what is not so > obvious. There are generalised rules available in many texts which work to a certain extent . However understanding the conditions under which exceptions arise is extremely subtle and I believe take years and years of experience .When do benfics in the 6th indicate a great worker rather than an argumentative or sickly person .When do benefics in the 12th represent success in foreign lands rather than a waste of positive energies .When does an activated 8th house indicate deep spiritual transformation as distinct from irreligion . In general it was considered that one had to reach 60 years before he/she could be accepted as a master of a Vedic discipline . The ability to blend the dashas with the transits on top of the natal chart also takes enormous practise .Plus considerable material knowledge may be required to answer certain questions .For example a pretty sound and thourough medical knowledge I believe is necessary before you can start attempting medical astrology .The same I believe to be true if one is going to predict stock markets or weather . Faced with all this many take shelter of a deity and allow the inspiration to come from within . Kind regards Nicholas Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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