Varshapala (solar return charts)

[Guest guest]

Dear Cynthia

When I mentioned that 5 planets were exalted and two in their own sign on

September 1 and that persons born on that day would have a dynamic solar return

chart

it was more in jest than as a serious advocate of solar return charts (

varshapala) . I got one query off list from some one born on this day so this

is also a response to her .

It is debateable whether the solar return chart also known as varshapala is part

of the Vedic system .Some authorities have opined that it was introduced from

outside .

That said the question may still be raised does it work ?

My own experience is that it is not at all reliable but I have known some good

astrologers who really like it .One advantage of using transits is that you are

using a birth chart that you know and love rather than having to digest a whole

new one .The approaches are not exclusive . Proponents of varshapala would no

doubt use it in addition to dashas and transits giving them an extra tool . The

question then is the extra time spent a good trade off for improved accuracy .

 

Since there are so many techniques out there the real way to test them is to

pose blind tests and see who can correctly answer them .Inevitably because of

time constraints astrologers are going to restrict their techniques to what

works best .To me too many techniques suggests a lack of confidence in any of

them .In this regard I have never even seen anyone tackle a blind chart from

the standpoint of varshapala . That might be saying something .

Kind regards

Nicholas

 

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cynthia novak

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Tuesday, April 16, 2002 9:04 AM

[GJ] Re:varshaphala

Dear All

 

Do you find the solar return charts to be revealing about the coming year?

 

How literally do you take them?

 

Many western astrologers would suggest that a person travel to a place that

makes the return chart more beneficial, do you do that?

 

If so, what happens when the native returns to the place where he or she will

spend most of the year, would that chart need to be relocated back?

 

I have not really studied this is Vedic because I thought the results I got in

doing them as a western astrologer for years and in many different ways were

never as good as the results of transits. I have a software program that

literally says that the 1st 3 days after my return in 2002 my house will burn

down. Do you predict this sort of thing? I've gone back and looked at others

and they simply do not seem to be accurate, but I'd hate to judge a whole

system by a report generated from a program.

 

Finally, if you're still reading bless you, when I traveled in India I was told

that the birthday is celebrated each year on the date when the Sun and Moon

return to the place at birth, if this is so, why do the varshaphala charts

merely take into account the return of the Sun as is done in the west? Have

any of you looked at the chart when the Sun returns then the one when the Moon

returns to the same place. I know that the Sun would likely have moved by a

number of degrees, I'm just curious.

 

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Dear Nicholas

 

I would guess that it is indeed an outside technique. The focus on the Sun

without the Moon would suggest a western technique.

 

I know that certain techniques talk to certain astrologers and not to others.

I'm pretty much of a nuts and bolts astrologer using the transits and dashas,

the navamsa for added depth when the time of birth is certain. I've also found

the use of karakas for the planets very helpful when time of birth is not known.

I'll confess that I am ever tempted by a new or different technique, but have

grown jaded over the years and try to find some sort of consensus that it is

reliable before I invest my compulsive energy into it.

 

thanks for the discussion

 

cynthia

 

 

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Nicholas

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Monday, April 15, 2002 10:59 PM

[GJ] Varshapala (solar return charts)

Dear Cynthia

When I mentioned that 5 planets were exalted and two in their own sign on

September 1 and that persons born on that day would have a dynamic solar return

chart

it was more in jest than as a serious advocate of solar return charts (

varshapala) . I got one query off list from some one born on this day so this

is also a response to her .

It is debateable whether the solar return chart also known as varshapala is part

of the Vedic system .Some authorities have opined that it was introduced from

outside .

That said the question may still be raised does it work ?

My own experience is that it is not at all reliable but I have known some good

astrologers who really like it .One advantage of using transits is that you are

using a birth chart that you know and love rather than having to digest a whole

new one .The approaches are not exclusive . Proponents of varshapala would no

doubt use it in addition to dashas and transits giving them an extra tool . The

question then is the extra time spent a good trade off for improved accuracy .

 

Since there are so many techniques out there the real way to test them is to

pose blind tests and see who can correctly answer them .Inevitably because of

time constraints astrologers are going to restrict their techniques to what

works best .To me too many techniques suggests a lack of confidence in any of

them .In this regard I have never even seen anyone tackle a blind chart from

the standpoint of varshapala . That might be saying something .

Kind regards

Nicholas

[Guest guest]

Dear Cynthia

Good points you make .

Varshapala doesn't vibrate with me but my closest friend took a good look at his

varshapal chart one year and knew his wife would leave him although they weren't

in dispute .She did .There are an extraordinary number of techniques out there

and it takes considerable time to properly evaluate any one of them .One has to

query whether the time could be better spent refining the basics .

 

One of the reasons I don't go for Varshapala is that it changes the functional

nature of the planets which I find confusing.Another school of Varshapals

advocates keeping the birth lagna .

 

I think it is better to work the basic tools thourouhly than indulge in a

plethora of unwieldy techniques .I'm getting to the point where I doubt that

there is a magic technique that's going to make the whole thing simple . So I

mainly advocate a strong ability to read the birth chart and navamsa and apply

dashas and transits . And I have a great love for the nakshatras .

 

Thank you also for the discussion

Nicholas

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cynthia novak

gjlist

Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:38 PM

Re: [GJ] Varshapala (solar return charts)

Dear Nicholas

 

I would guess that it is indeed an outside technique. The focus on the Sun

without the Moon would suggest a western technique.

 

I know that certain techniques talk to certain astrologers and not to others.

I'm pretty much of a nuts and bolts astrologer using the transits and dashas,

the navamsa for added depth when the time of birth is certain. I've also found

the use of karakas for the planets very helpful when time of birth is not known.

I'll confess that I am ever tempted by a new or different technique, but have

grown jaded over the years and try to find some sort of consensus that it is

reliable before I invest my compulsive energy into it.

 

thanks for the discussion

 

cynthia

 

 

-

Nicholas

gjlist

Monday, April 15, 2002 10:59 PM

[GJ] Varshapala (solar return charts)

Dear Cynthia

When I mentioned that 5 planets were exalted and two in their own sign on

September 1 and that persons born on that day would have a dynamic solar return

chart

it was more in jest than as a serious advocate of solar return charts (

varshapala) . I got one query off list from some one born on this day so this

is also a response to her .

It is debateable whether the solar return chart also known as varshapala is part

of the Vedic system .Some authorities have opined that it was introduced from

outside .

That said the question may still be raised does it work ?

My own experience is that it is not at all reliable but I have known some good

astrologers who really like it .One advantage of using transits is that you are

using a birth chart that you know and love rather than having to digest a whole

new one .The approaches are not exclusive . Proponents of varshapala would no

doubt use it in addition to dashas and transits giving them an extra tool . The

question then is the extra time spent a good trade off for improved accuracy .

 

Since there are so many techniques out there the real way to test them is to

pose blind tests and see who can correctly answer them .Inevitably because of

time constraints astrologers are going to restrict their techniques to what

works best .To me too many techniques suggests a lack of confidence in any of

them .In this regard I have never even seen anyone tackle a blind chart from

the standpoint of varshapala . That might be saying something .

Kind regards

Nicholas

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an

email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of

is subject to the