Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 Vivek, boy I'm talking a lot to you these days, aren't I? Ever run across any Sylvia Browne books? She is a psychic who reguarly communicates and sees ghosts. it runs in her family. her grandmother was the same way, so is her granddaughter. Her son is also psychic, but doesn't communicate with the dead. Sje's pointed out that there are earthbound spirtis--ghosts, and people who are dead, who cojme by to see how things are with you these days..two different types of entities. Wonderful fun to read. She said it's easier to see ghosts--they're stuck here and very clear. The ones who've gone on to the "other side" , it's like looking through a fan at them,a nd they're voices are very high and sharep and kind of chirpy to her. Are you in India or over here in the states? The books are easy to find here. Often used on enbay or sometimes really cheap on amazon, too. Or ABEbooks.com is a good used source. Alsao there's the Spiritualist xchurches that we have in out communities...Mary Todds Lincoln the Pres. wife, used to attend them in the 19th century. They meet here on Sunday afternoons to have a little chat with dear old deprted Grandma or granpa or whoever shows up, I guess. I've never gone, but another friend of mine has... The macrobiotics have special sets of spiritual exercise to help yo see stuff like that--the last I heard on that was, depending on what side of your familiy hte ghost is from, it shows up as a wavering sinsation next to your head... As far as the Vedic scripture on them, I'm clueless...Right now i rather wish Martin Gansten were availible here, as he's a Sanskrit scholar, he's probaly read it all.. Several of the member of these lists are priests and pundits of various groups...it will be interesting to see if anyone pipes up... Best Wishes, D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 Dear Vivek you <<Once during a lecture at ISKCON, someone raised the topic of GHOSTS.The lecturing devotee confirmed that ghosts do exist and POSSESSION is also real.From what he said,I understand that this is a situation where the soul has cast off the body,but the mind remains.Thus,it is an in between situation where the soul neither takes rebirth nor is liberated. Does anyone have more information about this?>> me According to the education that we are exposed to, we receive different experiences and our mind is moulded to a required frame of mind and therefore, we react accordingly. The mind is very subtle but it is the seat of the powers of thinking, feeling and willing. Therefore, our mind is like a machine to reject or accept things. We should observe and analyse our environment before accepting or rejecting anything. Because I was exposed to subtle sciences from an early age in my native Mexico, I accepted that there are different dimensions around us. One thing is superstition and another thing is a subtle science. In the Ramayana, a classical book from India than can be counted as a literary gem as the Iliad or the Odyssey among the Greek civilization, we can read that Lord Ramachandra performed a fire ceremony to satisfy every living being, including ghosts. Ghosts do exist in a different dimension to us, they have a subtle body consisting mainly of mind (the Moon), intellect (Mercury), and false ego (the sun). The film "Ghost" presents these phenomena very well, because the script was well researched. Like in every thing, among ghosts we find good and bad ghosts. The Vedas say that Lord Shiva is in charge of ghosts (among other things), and he can send a ghost to reincarnate in a baby that has been conceived in an inauspicious time. The life of a ghost is not permanent but temporary. It is a level to correct our intentions. In many graduates from university level, we find many sceptical people, because their minds have been "screened" or "moulded" to satisfy a materialistic and blind society. They may deny this fact because the false ego would not accept that, but from a deep analysis we can come to that conclusion. That is way many of them do not accept "occult" sciences like astrology, because their "education" has taken out the facts to accept a science, which they cannot appreciate or know. you <<What do the Vedic scriptures say about ghosts? >> me There is a branch in the Vedas dealing with ghosts and it requires a lifetime of dedication to become an expert in that science. In our days, we can see that the culture produced by the country called America, is permeated all over the Earth, in different shades and dilutions. In a similar way, the Vedic culture was permeating or influencing every culture on Earth before the present Kali Yuga started. With the influence of Kali Yuga, the Vedic culture almost vanished from Earth, but we can still appreciate the Vedic influence in many so-called myths and in the reminiscences of old cultures. Because the Vedic culture was spread on Earth some 5,000 years ago we can still find its influence in other parts outside India. The name of the sciences dealing with ghostly entities may be different according to the culture and language but it is still existent. There are many references in the Vedas dealing with a ghostly dimension. To mention one, the planet Rahu is considered a ghostly planet. The graha Rahu is driven or ruled by Rahu who according to the Srimad Bhagavatam is asura-apasadaha, or the lowest among the asuras. SB. 5.25.1 In every sacred scripture of the world we can read about the eternal fight between the demigods or "goodies" and the asuras or "baddies". The asuras are demons opposed to a godly civilization, and among the asuras we have ghostly entities, therefore we can find ghosts in Rahu. A friend of mine expert in ghosts told me that he has seen many ghosts in India, but that England has more ghost than India, and that in Peru, there is even more, and in Cuzco, much more than in any other place that he has visited. Perhaps this is due to the fact that in Cuzco there is a cave that communicates with India across a system of tunnels, and through this tunnel, the demon Ravana (of Ramayana fame) used to send gold and precious gems to his brother living in South America. This was a long time ago. When we have not been exposed to this knowledge of tunnels, we may say "Oh no, they do not exist". However, they do exist. In 1976, I was sharing a flat in Paris with a Peruvian friend. He told me that in a previous year (perhaps 1974 or 1975), he was visiting Cuzco, and there he met the first Russian cosmonaut. My friend did ask to her what she was doing in Cuzco. She responded that they had seen some interesting tunnels in Cuzco from outer space. Oh well, I believe well that story because of my knowledge about tunnels in Mexico and other parts of the world. One day, a group of American explorers went into a cave in South America, to explore. Somehow, they did not come back. One Sunday, a priest was giving mass in a church in Peru, when he heard some noises from behind the altar. They broke the wall of the altar and they found one of the American explorers. He was lost in that system of caves and unfortunately, he died a few days later. Then, few days ago I read in the Internet alternative news, that the American government lifted a ban on a secret machine that they have been using since at least 1978. With that machine they can see tunnels on Earth from outer space. They did find a tunnel among the Mayas, which can be traced for 800 km from Tikal. This finding now suggests that the Mayas could have well run away to other places when they left their land. Also, in 1978, they found that deep under the Pyramids of Keops in Egypt there is the remains of a 3 level city built 15,000 years ago. It is very likely that both the Russians and the Americans had that "secret" machine since 1970. We can just imagine what they have found so far. You <<In the BHAGVAD GITA,reincarnation is explained but this topic has not been dealt with.>> me That is why we require gurus, guides, teachers, to explain or deal with those Vedic topics. I hope that I have explain this matter well. Best wishes Natabara Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 Dear Hari Das you <<I've read in one of Sri Rajneesh"s books; There are individual unconscious, subconscious, conscious and super conscious.>> <<And there are collective unconscious, subconscious, conscious and super conscious. And also there are cosmic unconscious, sub conscious, conscious and super conscious.>> me Although i have read some of Sri Rajneesh's books and i can see that he was a good tale teller, i would like to hear about his definition of what is super conscious? I do not agree with everything that he had said and i can see that many of his theories were misunderstood and others were not conducing to a spiritual level. However i do like very much his translation and commentary of the Saint Tomas Gospel. Perhaps due to this "banned" book, some politicians and religious people gave him a hard time. you <<When a person sees or possessed by ghosts, it is nothing but his or her unconscious and sub conscious overpowering the conscious.>> me With all my respects, i do not agree with this bit of yours. I have been exposed to heavy-duty possessions and to the works of experts on this matter, and i can tell you that what you are saying is not truth. you <<When groups of people encounter such phenomena, it is the collective uncoscious and sub conscious acting upon them.>> me Nope. Perhaps this happens to groups that do not know how to handle those subtle dimensions, but believe me, I know that the donkey is white because i got his hairs in my hand. you <<This is me talkin astrologically; Severe affliction of Rahu, Ketu and/or the Moon are the culprit of these ghosts possession whether they are individual or mass. Because as you know Rahu Ketu can eclipse the soul(the Sun) and the mind and the sub conscious(the Moon). Mass possesion can occur at the time when Rahu and Ketu are afflicted by bad muhurta. Such as people behaving unusually during full Moon is due to her influence on collective sub conscious.>> me That is your theory produced from an imperfect homework, i can see that not much practice has been evaluated by you in this sector, and therefore you are only theorising on some reading done from a few books. You should come down to the workshop and see for yourself. You can read about the astrological implications in the case of possesion, from the excellent book of B.V. Raman "300 Important Combinations" you <<My guees is that UFO phenomena is a manifestatio of cosmic sub or unconscious.>> me That is your perspective moulded by misinformation, missing information and prejudice. The UFO phenomena is real and the Vedas have a lot of information about it. Dig more about all that phenomena and you will see the truth that has been covered up by many selfish interests. Because the implications are huge on many aspects of this present human culture, those that are in power have been covering about this subject for at least 50 years, but very likely 100. Just read in the Internet about the Disclosure Project, and you will find a lot of information about this particular knowledge. Hari Om Natabara Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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