Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 Hello Punditmadkan, Sri Ramachandra Mission has a living Master parampara, may be you should look at their website's: www.srcm.org & www.shajmarg.org. Regards, Ravi --- Pundit madkan <punditmadkan wrote: > Hello friends > > If you know about any living master, please write > back to me. Books > knowledge is limited. I am having a keen desire to > meet a master, I also > think it’s a fake desire of my mind. > > Any one who knows > > LAW OF NECESSITY (basic) > > LAW OF POWER (higher spiritual) > > I am a bookworm If I do read some books and think I > got wisdom than whose > fault? > > > Those how find they found by searching deep river, I > poor fellow feared and > remains on bank. > > Writing is different and practical is different. > > > Regards > > Punditmadkan > punditmadkan > > > _______________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > : > gjlist- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 THis is likely off your desired mark, but the healer Juan of God in Brazil appears to be the real thing. Search his name and you'll find a web site. c - Ravi Janak <ravijanak <gjlist> Cc: <punditmadkan Monday, May 20, 2002 8:54 AM Re: [GJ] Search without pain > Hello Punditmadkan, > > Sri Ramachandra Mission has a living Master parampara, > may be you should look at their website's: > www.srcm.org & www.shajmarg.org. > > Regards, > Ravi > > --- Pundit madkan <punditmadkan wrote: > > Hello friends > > > > If you know about any living master, please write > > back to me. Books > > knowledge is limited. I am having a keen desire to > > meet a master, I also > > think it's a fake desire of my mind. > > > > Any one who knows > > > > LAW OF NECESSITY (basic) > > > > LAW OF POWER (higher spiritual) > > > > I am a bookworm If I do read some books and think I > > got wisdom than whose > > fault? > > > > > > Those how find they found by searching deep river, I > > poor fellow feared and > > remains on bank. > > > > Writing is different and practical is different. > > > > > > Regards > > > > Punditmadkan > > punditmadkan > > > > > > > _______________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > > your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > > Sat > > : > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2002 Report Share Posted May 23, 2002 Dear Natabara Das you My intuition may be wrong but i feel that you already have in your mind what you call a living master. Intuition can never be wrong; it is attached with super intuition (god). But as much as feelings are concerned it is a personal matter it may vary. I tell in my first mail, some thing in me is in search of living master my whole existence is not involved. The problem of learned (bookish) person increased many fold, some times he may not have thirst, but feeling thirsty. Out of mind experience by soul if you can guide please. Regards Pundit madkan _______________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Dear Pundit you <<Intuition can never be wrong; >> me With all my respects, i do not agree with that. Intuition is very subtle (subtler than the mind), but in a materialistic education, it may be contaminated to the point of becoming another illusion. Women in general are known to be more intuitive than most men, due to their sensitive and refined nature. However, our experience tells us that their intuition can be wrong some times. you <<it is attached with super intuition (god).>> me Not necessarily. In a mundane example, we may have a telephone connected to the main telephone company and therefore receive all the benefits from that company. However, if we do not pay our fees to that company, we will be disconnected from the main telephone company. And therefore, we may connect to a bogus company to save money. In a similar way, although intuition can be connected to divinity, if we are not sincere, we will miss that connection. Therefore, we should make sure that our intuition is connected to God, so that we can receive the full benefits from Him. you <<as much as feelings are concerned it is a personal matter it may vary. I tell in my first mail, some thing in me is in search of living master my whole existence is not involved.>> me Because of your sincerity, that thing in you awakes and searches for a living master, because when we want to approach Divinity, God send to us His Divine agent. We have free will to forget Him or to remember Him. In the beginning your whole existence may be unaware that a part of you is searching for your ultimate benefit, but little by little, your whole existence become involved in that search or spiritual path. By feelings we have a big range of experiences. We have the feeling of gross touch, in which the skin is predominant. We also have the feeling of subtle touch as in dristhi (vision), when "we feel" that somebody is looking at us. We also can say "You hurt my feelings", when the emotional inner feelings are affected. Or we can hear "I feel a cold or warm heart". A dictionary has a lot to say about it. >From the verb to feel: explore or perceive by touch; be aware of being; consider. Therefore, when i do say "i feel with my intuition", i am trying to describe a subtle power of my intuition. you <<The problem of learned (bookish) person increased many fold, some times he may not have thirst, but feeling thirsty.>> me When that is the case, then the feeling of thirst can be controlled with austerities or fasting. you <<Out of mind experience by soul if you can guide please.>> me I consider intuition out of mind experience. With the mind we can perceive, conceive, remember, imagine and reason, but with intuition we can reach higher levels of consciousness. I try my best to guide by soul because soul is higher than the mind. Bhaktivinode Thakhur, who is like my great great spiritual grand father, wrote in 1871. "Then the pupil says "My Lord, the intellect takes me elsewhere from God, i.e. it wants to take me to Positivism; please instruct me what am I to do?Yes," replies Jesus “you must love god with all your mind, i.e. when you perceive, conceive, remember, imagine and reason, you must not allow yourself to be a dry thinker but must love. Love alone can soften the dryness of the intellect, you must develop the intellect on all good and holy things by means of love of truth, spiritual beauty and harmony." This is the second phase of Vaishnava development which passes by the name of Dasya Rasa [relationship in servitude, as a servant]." Then he writes "Then says the Lord, "You must love God with thy soul also, i.e. you must perceive yourself in spiritual communication with the Deity and receive holy revelations in your sublimest hours of worship." This is called the Sakhya Rasa [relationship in friendship] of the Vaishnavas - the soul approaching the Deity in holy and fearless service. [(without awe and reverence, but in friendship)]. I am glad that you have give the opportunity to talk about this important matter called intuition. Astrologers need to use intuition in their reading of a horoscope. Some say that we need 99% of knowledge and 1% of inspiration. That inspiration is the intuition. And from where intuition comes from? from the heart. God has 3 main manifestations according to our level of realization. The first stage of that realization is called the impersonal aspect of God, in which we see God as a force, something impersonal. The second stage is the localized aspect of God in which God is in the heart of every soul. In this stage God is called Paramatma, or the Param, transcendental; atma, soul; the transcendental soul or the Supreme soul. The 3rd and last stage of God realization is as Bhagavan, or one of the personal names of God that indicates the Supreme Being, or the personal realization of God. It is similar to the example of being in the middle of the ocean searching for an island. In the beginning, the glimpses of seagulls will tell us that land is near, although we may not see that land. Later on when we approach the island, we start to see land and later on, its inhabitants, its people. But if we go further, we will be able to see that there is a leader on that island, making sure that things run ok. So from the stage of an impersonal glimpse of our objective, we come to the stage of a personal aspect of the island and we end with the personal aspect, or the leader of the island. Srila Prabhupada gives in his books the example of the sun. He says that the sunshine is like the impersonal aspect of God, the solar disc is like the localized aspect, and Surya or the demigod driving the Sun, is like the personal aspect of the sun. We are told as well that Paramatma, or the localized aspect of God is in the heart of every soul giving instructions to the soul according to his/her tendencies and karma. Paramatma will tell the householder to beware of the thief, and Paramatma will tell the thief to go and steal from the householder. Here we can see that we have two different karmas, on one side we have a householder and on the other we have a thief. However, at this stage Paramatma is giving a guide to the living being to walk on the path towards self-realization. We have two main paths, one is the mundane or materialistic path, and the other is the spiritual path. Mundane sex is under the rulership of mother Durga, mother nature, and our eternal mother. Spiritual sex is under the rulership of God. God has nothing to do with mundane sex. Every demigod is in charge of a mundane department according to his/her qualities, skills and divine service. Spiritual intuition is under the care of Paramatma. In gambling there is a material intuition, the more we gamble, the more we lose the sense of truth. Because gambling is material, we should not use Vedic astrology for gambling, it will not work. Our materialistic tendencies have to be eliminated if we want to progress on the spiritual path. The tendencies for gambling and other mundane things may be in us in the beginning, but our sincere attempt will burn out eventually those mundane desires. Mother Durga gave us this body in a temporary loan, and we have our freedom to use it to play mundane or to play spiritual. One role of the astrologer is to study the design of Durga, by reading a horoscope. In that way, the astrologer can help the soul to cross from the mundane into the spiritual. We as Vaisnavas follow 4 regulative principles to control our mundane tendencies born from time immemorial due to the interaction with this material energy. We try to avoid gambling because by gambling we lose the sense of truth. We try to avoid eating meat, fish or eggs to avoid losing the sense of mercy. We try to avoid illicit sex to avoid losing the sense of cleanliness . We try to avoid intoxication to avoid losing the sense of austerity. However, because the tendencies to break those principles is in our material body, we should pray that one day we will be able to be free from it all, because with the freedom from those mundane tendencies, we will advance faster on our spiritual quest. In our sincere search for a living master, we sometimes have to pay the karma of being cheated and find a guru that is not what we think he is. But nevertheless, because of our sincerity, once that we have paid that karma, we will be given the opportunity to advance on our spiritual path. This is a good example of how our intuition can be wrong sometimes. Therefore, lets pray that our intuition is going to be purified so that we can see the path ahead without any obstacles. Best wishes Natabara Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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