Use of North Indian chart was 9th house

May 30, 2002

Dear GJlisters

Two points on the use of North Indian Charts

In Vedic culture clockwise is considered auspicious and anticlockwise is

considered inauspicious .Therefore temples and other auspicious places are

circumambulated clockwise never anti clockwise .Similarly a chart should be

read clockwise i.e South Indian style to maximise auspiciousness .

The second important reason is that an important component of jyotish is the use

of prasna .In the South Indian style only the lagna has to be moved through the

day whereas in the North Indian style the whole chart has to be recast .Thus

the North Indian stytle is impractical .

It is important that new jyotishis learn the correct,auspicious ,practical way

to cast charts because bad habits become difficult to break

Nicholas

-

natabara

GJList

Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:18 PM

Re: [GJ] 9th house

Dear Zoran

you

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me

I do think so. Every author gives his own realisations and his/her followers

will take what they can understand, accept or reject according to their own

experience or karma.

i do not like to debate on relative truths like the indications for father taken

from either the 5th, 9th or 10th house. Each astrologer is free to follow the

guidelines, which better fit their own gunas.

Nevertheless, i have to accept that there are some points in astrology, which

are just a waste of time. I may say so from time to time for some points, but

people are free to waste their time if they so want, in pursuing a ghostly

ephemeral ideal.

However, i like to clarify from time to time important issues that need to be

clarified. For example, i did browse some time ago a book on Vedic astrology,

in which the author wrote that the South Indian style to represent a Vedic

horoscope is superior to all the others.

I do disagree with his belief, because to me the style to represent a Vedic

chart should fit best the reading of the astrologer.

Although i do prefer to follow the North Indian style to read Vedic charts, i do

not say that such a style is superior. It is a matter of preference.

In fact, i do have many friends following the south Indian style and i do adapt

myself to read those charts.

Like in every path, we should learn to use our intuition and follow what we feel

is best. However, what is best for me, it may not be better for others.

Mother nature is very wise. She did give us the needed gunas to achieve our

determined goal. Therefore, we do get what we need to be learned.

For example, a musician is very sensitive in nature, he/she grasps the need of

the environment and creates a song to satisfy and elevate the consciousness.

That musician may be under the spell of the mode of satva, raja or tamas, but

his/her creation is aimed specifically to any of those gunas.

If his creation is satvic, those in tamas may not like it and reject it. And if

his creation is tamasic, those in satva will not like it.

However, from the absolute point of view, every single creation can be seen

helpful to elevate every soul on this mortal plane, to a higher consciousness.

Difficult to explain this, but on a mundane level we can see the example, that a

musician may write a song talking about the love for a girl. That song may

sounds mundane, but from the absolute realm, that musician really wrote about

the love for God.

The gunas of the musician may be captivated by the modes of nature, but higher

authorities have given him the necessary inspiration to write a song that is

going to help many people.

Then again, that particular musician must have the planetary combinations to be

chosen for that role.

You have quoted from Sanjay's book.

<<"Yet, if we take a 9th house for the past life and significator saturn, then

the 5th will indicate dharma of the past(9th from 9th), and future prospects on

the basis of poorvapunya, not the past life itself. ">>

me

Without disrespect, i do not agree with that. I do understand that purvapunya

(previous merits done in a previous life or the past life), is related to

dharma.

Dharma is our duty towards God, therefore, dharma has some guidelines to follow

to serve God. Good merits = the following of our dharma. Bad merits = not

following our dharma.

Therefore, according to our good or bad purvapunya done in a previous life (the

past) we get a body in the future (our present). We can not say that a

purvapunya done in the future will decide our present body, because we have not

have the facilities yet to do our merits.

It is like saying, pay now (get a body) and you will get the goods (purvapunya) in the future.

If we do take the 9th house as the future, then the 5th house counting from the

9th, will be the 9th from the 9th house. Or in other words, the 5th house

(purvapunya) will be the future and dharma from our future.

In the Vedas we follow a cycle in eternity, where our intentions do not change

so much. Therefore our past purvapunya will have the seeds for the purvapunya

of our future.

We can say that our present purvapunya (merits done in the past) have decided

our present body. Our present punya, will decide our future body. And our

uttarapunya (future merits), will decide our future future body.

We can see the example of 6 naksatras or constellations. Purva Phalguni and

Uttara Phalguni, or the previous and the next Phalguni. Purva Ashada and

Uttara Ashada, Purva Bhadrapada and Uttara Bhadrapada.

But then again it is a relative matter of understanding things.

you

<<In future, we may discuss the practical examples, and prove each/other point. >>

me

Although it is a good idea to discuss practical examples, i do not think that we

are going to be able to prove each/other point.

A single example is not sufficient to prove our point because a single example

cannot cover all the rules and there always will be some exemptions or puzzles.

That is way the work of Gauquelin is very useful, because he had tried to prove

a point with thousands of charts. However, he was only a pioneer, he only

started a path, others in the future will take his line of thought further

ahead.

It will be nice to have a proper research in Vedic astrology taking some 25,000

charts for study. But i will not see that in my lifetime, future astrologers

will do that in time.

We can see how a line of thought is followed, expanded and explained in every branch of thought.

We can follow a line of thought from Galileo, Newton, to Einstein. And another

line of thought from Lord Brahma, Arjuna and lord Chaitanya.

Best wishes

Natabara Das

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May 30, 2002

Om Namo Narayanaya,

South Indian chart is called Bhrigu Chakra and belongs to Shukra, while

northIndian chart is called Guru chakra, and belongs to Guru. Both are

Brahmins. No need to give the preferences. My opinion...

Best wishes

Zoran

Nicholas wrote:

Dear GJlistersTwo points on the use

of North Indian ChartsIn Vedic culture clockwise is considered auspicious

and anticlockwise is considered inauspicious .Therefore temples and other

auspicious places are circumambulated clockwise never anti

clockwise .Similarly a chart should be read clockwise i.e South Indian

style to maximise auspiciousness .The second important reason is that an

important component of jyotish is the use of prasna .In the South Indian

style only the lagna has to be moved through the day whereas in the North

Indian style the whole chart has to be recast .Thus the North Indian stytle

is impractical .It is important that new jyotishis learn the correct,auspicious

,practical way to cast charts because bad habits become difficult to breakNicholas

-

natabara

GJList

Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:18

PM

Re: [GJ] 9th house

Dear

Zoran

you

<<I

find further debate pointless>>

me

I

do think so. Every author gives his own realisations and his/her

followers will take what they can understand, accept or reject according

to their own experience or karma.

i

do not like to debate on relative truths like the indications for father

taken from either the 5th, 9th or 10th house. Each astrologer is

free to follow the guidelines, which better fit their own gunas.

Nevertheless,

i have to accept that there are some points in astrology, which are just

a waste of time. I may say so from time to time for some points,

but people are free to waste their time if they so want, in pursuing a

ghostly ephemeral ideal.

However,

i like to clarify from time to time important issues that need to be clarified.

For example, i did browse some time ago a book on Vedic astrology, in which

the author wrote that the South Indian style to represent a Vedic horoscope

is superior to all the others.

I

do disagree with his belief, because to me the style to represent a Vedic

chart should fit best the reading of the astrologer.

Although

i do prefer to follow the North Indian style to read Vedic charts, i do

not say that such a style is superior. It is a matter of preference.

In

fact, i do have many friends following the south Indian style and i do

adapt myself to read those charts.

Like

in every path, we should learn to use our intuition and follow what we

feel is best. However, what is best for me, it may not be better

for others.

Mother

nature is very wise. She did give us the needed gunas to achieve

our determined goal. Therefore, we do get what we need to be learned.

For

example, a musician is very sensitive in nature, he/she grasps the need

of the environment and creates a song to satisfy and elevate the consciousness.

That

musician may be under the spell of the mode of satva, raja or tamas, but

his/her creation is aimed specifically to any of those gunas.

If

his creation is satvic, those in tamas may not like it and reject it.

And if his creation is tamasic, those in satva will not like it.

However,

from the absolute point of view, every single creation can be seen helpful

to elevate every soul on this mortal plane, to a higher consciousness.

Difficult

to explain this, but on a mundane level we can see the example, that a

musician may write a song talking about the love for a girl. That

song may sounds mundane, but from the absolute realm, that musician really

wrote about the love for God.

The

gunas of the musician may be captivated by the modes of nature, but higher

authorities have given him the necessary inspiration to write a song that

is going to help many people.

Then

again, that particular musician must have the planetary combinations to

be chosen for that role.

You

have quoted from Sanjay's book.

<<"Yet,

if we take a 9th house for the past life and significator saturn, then

the 5th will indicate dharma of the past(9th from 9th), and future prospects

on the basis of poorvapunya, not the past life itself. ">>

me

Without

disrespect, i do not agree with that. I do understand that purvapunya

(previous merits done in a previous life or the past life), is related

to dharma.

Dharma

is our duty towards God, therefore, dharma has some guidelines to follow

to serve God. Good merits = the following of our dharma. Bad

merits = not following our dharma.

Therefore,

according to our good or bad purvapunya done in a previous life (the past)

we get a body in the future (our present). We can not say that a

purvapunya done in the future will decide our present body, because we

have not have the facilities yet to do our merits.

It

is like saying, pay now (get a body) and you will get the goods (purvapunya)

in the future.

If

we do take the 9th house as the future, then the 5th house counting from

the 9th, will be the 9th from the 9th house. Or in other words, the

5th house (purvapunya) will be the future and dharma from our future.

In

the Vedas we follow a cycle in eternity, where our intentions do not change

so much. Therefore our past purvapunya will have the seeds for the

purvapunya of our future.

We

can say that our present purvapunya (merits done in the past) have decided

our present body. Our present punya, will decide our future body.

And our uttarapunya (future merits), will decide our future future body.

We

can see the example of 6 naksatras or constellations. Purva Phalguni

and Uttara Phalguni, or the previous and the next Phalguni. Purva

Ashada and Uttara Ashada, Purva Bhadrapada and Uttara Bhadrapada.

But

then again it is a relative matter of understanding things.

you

<<In

future, we may discuss the practical examples, and prove each/other point.

>>

me

Although

it is a good idea to discuss practical examples, i do not think that we

are going to be able to prove each/other point.

A

single example is not sufficient to prove our point because a single example

cannot cover all the rules and there always will be some exemptions or

puzzles.

That

is way the work of Gauquelin is very useful, because he had tried to prove

a point with thousands of charts. However, he was only a pioneer,

he only started a path, others in the future will take his line of thought

further ahead.

It

will be nice to have a proper research in Vedic astrology taking some 25,000

charts for study. But i will not see that in my lifetime, future

astrologers will do that in time.

We

can see how a line of thought is followed, expanded and explained in every

branch of thought.

We

can follow a line of thought from Galileo, Newton, to Einstein. And

another line of thought from Lord Brahma, Arjuna and lord Chaitanya.

Best

wishes

Natabara

Das

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

: gjlist-

Terms of Service.

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

: gjlist-

Terms of Service.

--

Zoran Radosavljevic

Jyotish Teacher at Shri Jagannath Vedic Centre

mails: ahimsa (AT) NSpoint (DOT) net

ahimsa (AT) neobee (DOT) net

web address: http://www.sjvc.co.yu

May 30, 2002

Om Namo Narayanaya,

North Indian chart is called Bhrigu Chakra and belongs to Shukra, while

South Indian chart is called Guru chakra, and belongs to Guru. Both are

Brahmins. No need to give the preferences. My opinion...

Best wishes

Zoran

Nicholas wrote:

Dear GJlistersTwo points on the use

of North Indian ChartsIn Vedic culture clockwise is considered auspicious

and anticlockwise is considered inauspicious .Therefore temples and other

auspicious places are circumambulated clockwise never anti

clockwise .Similarly a chart should be read clockwise i.e South Indian

style to maximise auspiciousness .The second important reason is that an

important component of jyotish is the use of prasna .In the South Indian

style only the lagna has to be moved through the day whereas in the North

Indian style the whole chart has to be recast .Thus the North Indian stytle

is impractical .It is important that new jyotishis learn the correct,auspicious

,practical way to cast charts because bad habits become difficult to breakNicholas

-

natabara

GJList

Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:18

PM

Re: [GJ] 9th house

Dear

Zoran

you

<<I

find further debate pointless>>

me

I

do think so. Every author gives his own realisations and his/her

followers will take what they can understand, accept or reject according

to their own experience or karma.

i

do not like to debate on relative truths like the indications for father

taken from either the 5th, 9th or 10th house. Each astrologer is

free to follow the guidelines, which better fit their own gunas.

Nevertheless,

i have to accept that there are some points in astrology, which are just

a waste of time. I may say so from time to time for some points,

but people are free to waste their time if they so want, in pursuing a

ghostly ephemeral ideal.

However,

i like to clarify from time to time important issues that need to be clarified.

For example, i did browse some time ago a book on Vedic astrology, in which

the author wrote that the South Indian style to represent a Vedic horoscope

is superior to all the others.

I

do disagree with his belief, because to me the style to represent a Vedic

chart should fit best the reading of the astrologer.

Although

i do prefer to follow the North Indian style to read Vedic charts, i do

not say that such a style is superior. It is a matter of preference.

In

fact, i do have many friends following the south Indian style and i do

adapt myself to read those charts.

Like

in every path, we should learn to use our intuition and follow what we

feel is best. However, what is best for me, it may not be better

for others.

Mother

nature is very wise. She did give us the needed gunas to achieve

our determined goal. Therefore, we do get what we need to be learned.

For

example, a musician is very sensitive in nature, he/she grasps the need

of the environment and creates a song to satisfy and elevate the consciousness.

That

musician may be under the spell of the mode of satva, raja or tamas, but

his/her creation is aimed specifically to any of those gunas.

If

his creation is satvic, those in tamas may not like it and reject it.

And if his creation is tamasic, those in satva will not like it.

However,

from the absolute point of view, every single creation can be seen helpful

to elevate every soul on this mortal plane, to a higher consciousness.

Difficult

to explain this, but on a mundane level we can see the example, that a

musician may write a song talking about the love for a girl. That

song may sounds mundane, but from the absolute realm, that musician really

wrote about the love for God.

The

gunas of the musician may be captivated by the modes of nature, but higher

authorities have given him the necessary inspiration to write a song that

is going to help many people.

Then

again, that particular musician must have the planetary combinations to

be chosen for that role.

You

have quoted from Sanjay's book.

<<"Yet,

if we take a 9th house for the past life and significator saturn, then

the 5th will indicate dharma of the past(9th from 9th), and future prospects

on the basis of poorvapunya, not the past life itself. ">>

me

Without

disrespect, i do not agree with that. I do understand that purvapunya

(previous merits done in a previous life or the past life), is related

to dharma.

Dharma

is our duty towards God, therefore, dharma has some guidelines to follow

to serve God. Good merits = the following of our dharma. Bad

merits = not following our dharma.

Therefore,

according to our good or bad purvapunya done in a previous life (the past)

we get a body in the future (our present). We can not say that a

purvapunya done in the future will decide our present body, because we

have not have the facilities yet to do our merits.

It

is like saying, pay now (get a body) and you will get the goods (purvapunya)

in the future.

If

we do take the 9th house as the future, then the 5th house counting from

the 9th, will be the 9th from the 9th house. Or in other words, the

5th house (purvapunya) will be the future and dharma from our future.

In

the Vedas we follow a cycle in eternity, where our intentions do not change

so much. Therefore our past purvapunya will have the seeds for the

purvapunya of our future.

We

can say that our present purvapunya (merits done in the past) have decided

our present body. Our present punya, will decide our future body.

And our uttarapunya (future merits), will decide our future future body.

We

can see the example of 6 naksatras or constellations. Purva Phalguni

and Uttara Phalguni, or the previous and the next Phalguni. Purva

Ashada and Uttara Ashada, Purva Bhadrapada and Uttara Bhadrapada.

But

then again it is a relative matter of understanding things.

you

<<In

future, we may discuss the practical examples, and prove each/other point.

>>

me

Although

it is a good idea to discuss practical examples, i do not think that we

are going to be able to prove each/other point.

A

single example is not sufficient to prove our point because a single example

cannot cover all the rules and there always will be some exemptions or

puzzles.

That

is way the work of Gauquelin is very useful, because he had tried to prove

a point with thousands of charts. However, he was only a pioneer,

he only started a path, others in the future will take his line of thought

further ahead.

It

will be nice to have a proper research in Vedic astrology taking some 25,000

charts for study. But i will not see that in my lifetime, future

astrologers will do that in time.

We

can see how a line of thought is followed, expanded and explained in every

branch of thought.

We

can follow a line of thought from Galileo, Newton, to Einstein. And

another line of thought from Lord Brahma, Arjuna and lord Chaitanya.

Best

wishes

Natabara

Das

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

: gjlist-

Terms of Service.

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

: gjlist-

Terms of Service.

--

Zoran Radosavljevic

Jyotish Teacher at Shri Jagannath Vedic Centre

mails: ahimsa (AT) NSpoint (DOT) net

ahimsa (AT) neobee (DOT) net

web address: http://www.sjvc.co.yu

May 30, 2002

Dear Brother Nicholas,

Don't divide India like this. Nothing is auspicious and inauspicious. This is

need of the hour which will turn something into auspiciousness and

inauspiciousness. Try giving teaching to wife on the bed "Jupiter way" and you

will loose all the auspiciousness . You will have to behave Venus and Mars

style to get results.

And remember to achieve Precious elements Devas and Devils needed to work

together to churn the Sea , and the most needed partners were devils not

deva's.

Also the spiritually auspicious is that which turn your mind toward God and

inauspicious is that which remove your mind from the God. And South Indian and

North Indian style has nothing to do with this. This is ease with which one can

read and it has nothing to do with auspiciousness and inauspiciousness.

Regards,

Inder Jit Sahni

-

Nicholas

gjlist

Friday, May 31, 2002 1:28 AM

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