Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 So how come mainstream media of the world has remained shy of it? When something is truly a "revolutionary finding", the world inevitably gets curious and takes notice. Remember, einstien's paper was first published in an obscure journal under the name of "On electrodynamics of moving bodies" or something like that, but truly revoloutionary discoveries can't remain hidden for long, no matter how esoteric they might be. Why are we not seeing the major newspapers, Discovery and National Georgraphic going ga-ga over it, when even silly discoveries of fossils here and there get coverage. If any of the major magazines and journals have reported this in the West, I would really appreciate it if you could give me the references. This is very fascinating, if it is true. Thanks. Siddhartha. --- natabara <natabara wrote: > Pravda.RU:Top Stories: > > > > 14:48 2002-04-30 > > THE MAP OF "THE CREATOR" > > > A find of Bashkir scientists contraries to traditional notions of human > history: stone stabs which is 120 million years covered with the relief > map of Ural Region. > > * > > NOTE. Once this finding is verified and 120 million years is accepted, > is going to destroy the present theories about human evolution and > related paraphernalia. > > > > According to the Vedas, One Maha Yuga mulitiplied 1,000 times equals 12 > hours of Lord Brahma, the architect of this universe. 4,320,000 X 1,000 > = 4,320,000,000 years. > > > > A Maha yuga equals 4 yugas of wich Kali yuga (the Iron age in which we > are at present and which lasts 432,000 years), is the smallest in length > to the other 3 yugas. > > > > The Vedas say that human life can be traced well beyond the present > range told to us in schools by an imperfect especulation. > > > > Below I quote from one of my unpublished articles: > > During this time, the jivas (spiritual souls) have the chance to be > active, alive or "awake" and life as we know it "appears" on this earth > and on other planets in this part of the universe. > > > > For another 12 hours of Brahma, in what it is known as the night of > Brahma, everything goes to "sleep" to awake again on the next day of > Brahma. > > > > The 12 hours of Brahma's daylight day are divided into 14 Manvantaras or > great periods of time. Each one of those 14 Manvantaras have 71 maha > yugas. > > > > 4,320,000 years X 71 = 306,720,000 years. > > > > Preceding the first and following each manvantara period there is a > juncture called sandhya, the length of a Satya yuga, which is 1,728,000 > years. Therefore, there are 15 sandhyas within a manvantara. 1,728,000 > X 15 = 25,920,000 years. > > > > Therefor as you will see in the Pravda's article, the slab findings has > been calculated to be 120 millions years old. > > > > According to my calculations based on the Vedic chronology, the present > manvantara started on 119,235,102 BC. We could say that such a date > indicates the beginning of life in this day of Brahma. > > > > Previous to that beginning of this manvantara, we had a "sandhya" > lasting 1,728,000 years. Therefore the beginning of that sandhya can be > calculated as having started on 120,963,102 BC. So, we can place this > slab as having "created" in this sandhya. > > > > But how is that? A sandhya is supposed to be a period of destruction > where life does not exists. Therefore I would suggest to adjust that > age accordingly. > > > > This age is related to the age that modern geologists call "SILURIAN > PALEOZOIC PHANEROZOIC ". Please correct me if I am wrong. > > > > Remember that Dinosaurs are supposed to have been "erased" from living > on Earth some 66 million years ago. There is a debate at present about > human foot prints found besides dinosaurs foot prints. > > > > However, conservative scientists do not want to accept this fact that > humans were contemporaneous of dinos. Therefore, they are going to find > a difficulty in digesting a finding of a human creation 120 million > years ago. > > * > > This seems to be impossible. Scientists of Bashkir State University > have found indisputable proofs of an ancient highly developed > civilization's existence. The question is about a great plate found in > 1999, with picture of the region done according to an unknown > technology. This is a real relief map. Today's military has almost > similar maps. The map contains civil engineering works: a system of > channels with a length of about 12,000 km, weirs, powerful dams. Not far > from the channels, diamond-shaped grounds are shown, whose destination > is unknown. The map also contains some inscriptions. Even numerous > inscriptions. At first, the scientists thought that was Old Chinese > language. Though, it turned out that the subscriptions were done in a > hieroglyphic-syllabic language of unknown origin. The scientists never > managed to read it. > > > > "The more I learn the more I understand that I know nothing," - the > doctor of physical and mathematical science, professor of Bashkir State > University, Alexandr Chuvyrov admits. Namely Chuvyrov made that > sensational find. Already in 1995, the professor and his post-graduate > student from China Huan Hun decided to study the hypothesis of possible > migration of Old Chinese population to the territory of Siberia and > Ural. In an expedition to Bashkiria, they found several rock carvings > done in Old Chinese language. These finds confirmed the hypothesis of > Chinese migrants. The subscriptions were read. They mostly contained > information about trade bargains, marriage and death registration. > > > > Though, during the searches, notes dated the 18th century were found in > archives of Ufa governor-general. They reported about 200 unusual stone > stabs which were situated not far from the Chandar village, Nurimanov > Region. Chuvyrov and his colleague at once decided that stabs could be > connected with Chinese migrants. Archive notes also reported that in > 17th-18th centuries, expeditions of Russian scientists who investigated > Ural Region had studied 200 white stabs with signs and patterns, while > in early 20th century, archaeologist A.Schmidt also had seen some white > stabs in Bashkiria. This made the scientist start the search. In 1998, > after having formed a team of his students, Chuvyrov launched the work. > He hired a helicopter, and the first expedition carried a flying around > of the places where the stabs were supposed to be. Though, despite all > efforts, the ancient stabs were not found. Chuvyrov was very upset and > even thought the stabs were just a beautiful legend. > > > > The luck was unexpected. During one of Chuvyrov's trips to the village, > ex-chairman of the local agricultural council, Vladimir Krainov, came to > him (apropos, in the house of Krainov's father, archaelogist Schmidt > once staid) and said: "Are you searching for some stone stabs? I have a > strange stab in my yard.At first, I did not took that report > seriously, - Chuvyrov told. - Though, I decided to go to that yard to > see it. I remember this day exactly: July 21, 1999. Under the porch of > the house, the stab with some dents lied. The stab was so heavy that we > together could not take it out. So I went to the city of Ufa, to ask for > help." > > > > In a week, work was launched in Chandar. After having dug out the stab, > the searches were stroke with its size: it was 148 cm high, 106 cm wide > and 16 cm thick. While it weighed at least one ton. The master of the > house made special wooden rollers, so the stab was rolled out from the > hole. The find was called "Dashka's stone" (in honour of Alexandr > Chuvyrov's granddaughter born the day before it) and transported to the > university for investigation. After the stab was cleaned of earth, the > scientists could not entrust to their eyes... "At first sight, - > Chuvyrov sais, - I understood that was not a simple stone piece, but a > real map, and not a simple map, but a three-dimensional. You can see it > yourself." > > > > "How did we manage to identify the place? At first, we could not imagine > the map was so ancient. Happily, relief of today's Bashkiria has not > changed so much within millions of years. We could identify Ufa Height, > while Ufa Canyon is the main point of our proofs, because we carried out > geological studies and found its track where it must be according to the > ancient map. Displacement of the canyon happened because of tectonic > stabs which moved from East. The group of Russian and Chinese > specialists in the field of cartography, physics, mathematics, geology, > chemistry, and Old Chinese language managed to precisely find out that > the stab contains the map of Ural region, with rivers Belya, Ufimka, > Sutolka," - Alexandr Chuvyrov said while showing the lines on the stone > to the journalists. - You can see Ufa Canyon - the break of the earth's > crust, stretched out from the city of Ufa to the city of Sterlitimak. At > the moment, Urshak River runs over the former canyon." The map is done > on a scale 1 : 1.1 km. > > > === message truncated === Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 > Remember that Dinosaurs are supposed to have been "erased" from living > on Earth some 66 million years ago. There is a debate at present about > human foot prints found besides dinosaurs foot prints. > Edgar Cayce's work spoke about human beings living at the time there were great beasts in the world that had become so numerous and destructive that a world council was called together from about 50 nations, to discuss how to manage or control these terrible beasts. Cayce went on to say that natural causes intervened and the extinction of the beasts came about quite suddenly, in answer to the prayers of many humans then living on the earth. Folk tales from all regions and countries have been handed down from generation to generation, each one giving a glimpse of life in earlier times. Some of these are fantastic stories that have been labeled as myths. Longevity of these tales implies something about their innate integrity. The fact a particular tale exists to be retold again and again for centuries should, I think, be considered evidence there is a high level of truth contained within it, not only in moral ideas presented, but also reflecting actual persons and events. We've all been taught to dismiss word of mouth as hearsay, which is the modern world's way of turning its back on the ancient world. But before books took over the brain's wonderful function of memorizing great amounts of cultural data, word of mouth was honestly and accurately passed down from generation to generation. People employed their memories to such an extent that they could recite by memory the histories and ancient tales of their ancestors...which recitation when transcribed to printed pages later on, become the passion of book publishers. I was intending to write more, but...I forget! Best to all, Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 Dear Siddharta <<If any of the major magazines and journals have reported this in the West, I would really appreciate it if you could give me the references. This is very fascinating, if it is true.>> me Here you have the link http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/04/30/28149.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 Here you can see photos about that map. http://english.pravda.ru/chuvirov_photo.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 One more reference http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/05/30/29507.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 Thanks. --- natabara <natabara wrote: > One more reference > > http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/05/30/29507.html > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Dear Carol After my posting regarding the evidence of human activity 200 million years ago, you have posted: you <<Edgar Cayce's work spoke about human beings living at the time there were great beasts in the world that had become so numerous and destructive that a world council was called together from about 50 nations, to discuss how to manage or control these terrible beasts>> me The Vedic teachings describe human life from the beginning of Brahma's life some 150 trillion years ago. Edgar Cayce was a great medium, capable of getting information from people in other dimensions. I have come across similar mediums, famous or not much famous and therefore I have done my homework about mediumship. I do tell those mediums that their benefit to people will get enhanced when they can reach being from higher dimensions that they can reach at present. I do tell them about the sidhas, whom are beings from a plane called sidhaloka. The sidhas can travel from planet to planet at will, without the need of material aircrafts. And what to say of beings in planes like Janaloka or Tapoloka or Satyaloka where lord Brahma resides? Or what about getting in touch with Narada Muni, a liberated being that travels all over this creation, whenever he feels there is a need to preach the glories of the Lord? you <<Cayce went on to say that natural causes intervened and the extinction of the beasts came about quite suddenly, in answer to the prayers of many humans then living on the earth.>> me According to the Vedas, those beasts appear during Kali yugas, and their appearance and disappearance is due to the designs of Providence. Of course, the sincere prayers of people can help things but they have to be elevated to do so. The Vedas say that at the beginning of this Kali Yuga, some 5,000 years ago, a group of highly elevated yogis performed a fire ritual lasting 1,000 years, in order to minimize the evil effects of this Kali Yuga. Due to the benefits of that ritual, life at present is better than in previous Kali yugas at 5,000 years into it. you <<Folk tales from all regions and countries have been handed down from generation to generation, each one giving a glimpse of life in earlier times. Some of these are fantastic stories that have been labeled as myths. Longevity of these tales implies something about their innate integrity. The fact a particular tale exists to be retold again and again for centuries should, I think, be considered evidence there is a high level of truth contained within it, not only in moral ideas presented, but also reflecting actual persons and events. >> me Because of the eternal fight between good and bad, people with godly ideals protect knowledge in the form of myths. Otherwise, demoniac people would use that knowledge for their own materialistic goals. Therefore, we have to learn to read between lines to extract the real meaning of things. you <<We've all been taught to dismiss word of mouth as hearsay, which is the modern world's way of turning its back on the ancient world. But before books took over the brain's wonderful function of memorizing great amounts of cultural data, word of mouth was honestly and accurately passed down from generation to generation>> me It is in the nature of demoniac people to twist the truth. An objectivist society will always try to take the truth away from innocent people. Therefore we should be suspicious of the "official" media, which distorts or conceal the truth. We have to learn to read between lines and get the real news from alternative and reliable sources. It is in the nature of Kali Yuga to put everything in writing, in previous yugas the oral tradition is sufficient. you <<People employed their memories to such an extent that they could recite by memory the histories and ancient tales of their ancestors...which recitation when transcribed to printed pages later on, become the passion of book publishers>> me Good. you << was intending to write more, but...I forget!>> me It was very good, just do according to your own capacity. Best wishes Natabara das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Dear Siddhartha After mentioning the fantastic finding about the evidence of human activity 200 million years ago, you have posted: you <<So how come mainstream media of the world has remained shy of it? When something is truly a "revolutionary finding", the world inevitably gets curious and takes notice. Remember, einstien's paper was first published in an obscure journal under the name of "On electrodynamics of moving bodies" or something like that, but truly revoloutionary discoveries can't remain hidden for long, no matter how esoteric they might be.>> me I could answer that the media has remained silent because it is under the control of objectivist people. They only want an objectivist line to remain in this materialistic society. Any new discovery that can sink their boat has to be tamed, diluted or distorted before it is allowed to be part of the mainstream of their false direction. you <<Why are we not seeing the major newspapers, Discovery and National Georgraphic going ga-ga over it, when even silly discoveries of fossils here and there get coverage.>> me Because all of them are under the ownership or control of the elite. The media cannot publish anything without the sanction of those that control the show. Best wishes Natabara das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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