Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 I found this information on the web--it is a horrible account of the destructiveness of these bombs. Hiroshima: <<This bomb has ironically been referred to as “Little Boy.†This first bomb was 10 feet 6 inches in length, had a 29-inch diameter and weighed 9,700 pounds. It was dropped seventeen seconds after 8:15 on August 6th, 1945.>> Nagasaki: <<It took forty seconds for the bomb to fall and for some, forty seconds meant life or death. At 11:02 a.m., 50,000 people instantly died.>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 It seems there are two hiroshimas in japan-- one is longitude 141 E 34 latitude 42 N 59 The other is longitude 132 E 27 latitude 34 N 24 Where was the bomb dropped?? In the first case,the ascending sign would be degrees-- 2-39-17 VIRGO. In the second case the ascending sign would be degr-- 24-39-09 LEO. JUPITER is at 3-11-11 deg VIRGO--So in the first case he would be almost in the ascending sign(possibly exactly since the bomb took time to drop)---- interesting! so was it jupiters punishment for the japanese?? ANOTHER thing to note is that moon is close to saturn in gemini. moon 24-54-08 and saturn 25-07-01 AND rahu and venus are in the same sign too. regards, vivek. On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 Carolhook wrote : > I found this information on the web--it is a horrible account of the >destructiveness of these bombs. > >Hiroshima: > ><<This bomb has ironically been referred to as “Little Boy.†This first >bomb was 10 feet 6 inches in length, had a 29-inch diameter and weighed 9,700 >pounds. It was dropped seventeen seconds after 8:15 on August 6th, 1945.>> > > >Nagasaki: > ><<It took forty seconds for the bomb to fall and for some, forty seconds >meant life or death. At 11:02 a.m., 50,000 people instantly died.>> > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 .......And the US still thinks that it has nothing to reproach itself? What a heavy national Karma must have been built at this time !!! Nadia > I found this information on the web--it is a horrible account of the > destructiveness of these bombs. > > Hiroshima: > > <<This bomb has ironically been referred to as “Little Boy.†This first > bomb was 10 feet 6 inches in length, had a 29-inch diameter and weighed 9,700 > pounds. It was dropped seventeen seconds after 8:15 on August 6th, 1945.>> > > > Nagasaki: > > <<It took forty seconds for the bomb to fall and for some, forty seconds > meant life or death. At 11:02 a.m., 50,000 people instantly died.>> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 The other is longitude 132 E 27 latitude 34 N 24 -9 this is the one sasha - "Vivek " <keviv90 <gjlist> Tuesday, July 16, 2002 12:34 PM Re: [GJ] hiroshima/nagasaki It seems there are two hiroshimas in japan-- one is longitude 141 E 34 latitude 42 N 59 The other is longitude 132 E 27 latitude 34 N 24 Where was the bomb dropped?? In the first case,the ascending sign would be degrees-- 2-39-17 VIRGO. In the second case the ascending sign would be degr-- 24-39-09 LEO. JUPITER is at 3-11-11 deg VIRGO--So in the first case he would be almost in the ascending sign(possibly exactly since the bomb took time to drop)---- interesting! so was it jupiters punishment for the japanese?? ANOTHER thing to note is that moon is close to saturn in gemini. moon 24-54-08 and saturn 25-07-01 AND rahu and venus are in the same sign too. regards, vivek. On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 Carolhook wrote : > I found this information on the web--it is a horrible account of the >destructiveness of these bombs. > >Hiroshima: > ><<This bomb has ironically been referred to as â?oLittle Boy.â? This first >bomb was 10 feet 6 inches in length, had a 29-inch diameter and weighed 9,700 >pounds. It was dropped seventeen seconds after 8:15 on August 6th, 1945.>> > > >Nagasaki: > ><<It took forty seconds for the bomb to fall and for some, forty seconds >meant life or death. At 11:02 a.m., 50,000 people instantly died.>> > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 What is the karma for presuming to know what is in the hearts of a whole nation? What would be the national karma if the war was allowed to continue as it was projected for months, even years longer? I do not presume to know the answer to this nor to understand the greater workings of god, the laws of karma or what is in the hearts of another, much less the hearts of the people in a whole nation. cynthia - "Nadia" <nadiak <gjlist> Tuesday, July 16, 2002 6:20 AM Re: [GJ] hiroshima/nagasaki > > ......And the US still thinks that it has nothing to reproach itself? What a > heavy national Karma must have been built at this time !!! > > Nadia > > > > I found this information on the web--it is a horrible account of the > > destructiveness of these bombs. > > > > Hiroshima: > > > > <<This bomb has ironically been referred to as “Little Boy.†This first > > bomb was 10 feet 6 inches in length, had a 29-inch diameter and weighed > 9,700 > > pounds. It was dropped seventeen seconds after 8:15 on August 6th, > 1945.>> > > > > > > Nagasaki: > > > > <<It took forty seconds for the bomb to fall and for some, forty seconds > > meant life or death. At 11:02 a.m., 50,000 people instantly died.>> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 IN THAT CASE SATURN(CONJUNCT MOON) WAS ASPECTING THE ASCENDING SIGN. On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 elohim wrote : >The other is longitude 132 E 27 > latitude 34 N 24 -9 this is the one >sasha >- > "Vivek " <keviv90 ><gjlist> >Tuesday, July 16, 2002 12:34 PM >Re: [GJ] hiroshima/nagasaki > > >It seems there are two hiroshimas in japan-- >one is longitude 141 E 34 > latitude 42 N 59 >The other is longitude 132 E 27 > latitude 34 N 24 >Where was the bomb dropped?? >In the first case,the ascending sign would be degrees-- > 2-39-17 VIRGO. >In the second case the ascending sign would be degr-- > 24-39-09 LEO. >JUPITER is at 3-11-11 deg VIRGO--So in the first case he would be almost in >the ascending sign(possibly exactly since the bomb took time to drop)---- >interesting! so was it jupiters punishment for the japanese?? >ANOTHER thing to note is that moon is close to saturn in gemini. moon >24-54-08 and saturn 25-07-01 AND rahu and venus are in the same sign too. >regards, >vivek. > >On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 Carolhook wrote : > > I found this information on the web--it is a horrible account of the > >destructiveness of these bombs. > > > >Hiroshima: > > > ><<This bomb has ironically been referred to as â?oLittle Boy.â? This >first > >bomb was 10 feet 6 inches in length, had a 29-inch diameter and weighed >9,700 > >pounds. It was dropped seventeen seconds after 8:15 on August 6th, 1945.>> > > > > > >Nagasaki: > > > ><<It took forty seconds for the bomb to fall and for some, forty seconds > >meant life or death. At 11:02 a.m., 50,000 people instantly died.>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > >_______ >There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. >Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Hi Cynthia If I knew what is in the hearts of a whole nation I would be God surely. What I have read again and again though that there is definitely race and nation Karma. As we are Astrologers and do draw charts for nations this makes even more sense . Nadia > What is the karma for presuming to know what is in the hearts of a whole > nation? > > What would be the national karma if the war was allowed to continue as it > was projected for months, even years longer? > > I do not presume to know the answer to this nor to understand the greater > workings of god, the laws of karma or what is in the hearts of another, much > less the hearts of the people in a whole nation. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 HIROSHIMA LAGNA 24-39-09 LEO SUN 20-02-11 CANCER MOON 24-54-08 GEMINI MARS 16-06-49 TAURUS MERCURY 11-41-00 LEO JUPITER 03-11-11 VIRGO VENUS 08-36-21 GEMINI SATURN 25-07-01 GEMINI RAHU 15-49-01 GEMINI KETU 15-49-01 SAGGITARIUS NAGASAKI -------- THERE ARE THREE NAGASAKI'S IN JAPAN long 140E52 lat 35N41 long 141E45 lat 39N1 long 140E17 lat 38N20 THE DIFFERENCE IN LAGNA WILL NOT BE MUCH SINCE LONGITUDE IS SIMILAR.I HAVE TAKEN THE FIRST ONE.--- HOROSCOPE IS AS FOLLOWS---- LAGNA 08-46-40 LIBRA SUN 23-01-26 CANCER MOON 05-39-24 LEO MARS 18-10-44 TAURUS MERC® 11-28-10 LEO JUPITER 03-45-42 VIRGO VENUS 12-07-31 GEMINI SATURN 25-29-41 GEMINI RAHU 15-37-38 GEMINI KETU 15-37-38 SAGGITARIUS My question is ---- if a child were born just seconds or minutes prior to the bomb falling on it,in the first case(hiroshima),it would be leo lagna and in the second case (nagasaki),libra lagna.------- what is it in the two horoscopes that causes death very shortly after birth?------- let us consider other lagnas also,I mean births much earlier on those days or on the previous day----- which lagna would give such a short life? Sell you car, by placing a classified ad on India Autos . It's Free!! " width="28" height="28" border="0"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 In a message dated Tue, 16 Jul 2002 4:18:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, c.a.novak writes: > > > > ......And the US still thinks that it has nothing to > reproach itself? What > a > > heavy national Karma must have been built at this time !!! > > > > Nadia > > Dear Nadia, The only thing that bothers me about your question is the ASSUMPTION that we, the people of the United States of America, do not have regrets, do not reproach ourselves, do not have concern for the many lives lost, do not have the values we profess to have. The truth is, this is a nation made of of many nation states banded together. It represents, among other nationalities, Greeks as well as Turks and Chinese and Taiwanese and Hawaiians and Greenlanders.....and on. You do not think of my beloved country as a mixing pot, but I do. The difference between my country and yours may be in its histories and its laws and its accomplishments and its humanity and its spirituality. But do I say, I am better than you, I raise my nose when you pass by---or do I say, I love my country very much, won't you come visit me?! Love, Carol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Hello Carol ...And I hope that you will come and visit me!!! Of course I realize that the US is a melting pot and that is the beauty about it. I did not mean to specifically target America. In the same way I said what I said as the subject matter was Hiroshima, I could say about Alexander the great, Napoleon, and all the countries that subjected others to misery and or slavery. What particularly disturbs me in the Hiroshima case though if you want me to be very candid is the scope of the retaliation, the horror of an *atomic* bomb (2 as a matter of fact) on a city of people who had not much to do with the direct and open conflict. For an army to fight an army -- for whatever reasons-- is fair game but to sent 2 whole town into oblivion is another thing. As you know it's all a matter of degrees, and I truly cried when I saw for the first time the footage of what happened in Japan then. I am sure that you can understand what i am trying to convey as we had that terrible tragedy on the 11 of Sep in New-York. Thousand of innocents going about their day's work were pulverized on the spot. I was born in Beirut , Lebanon. The Lebanese people never conquered another nation. We were always though occupied since back back in time from the Greeks, to the Romans, the Ottoman Empire, to the French..(yes we were a French colony for a while!!) So what I am trying to say is that some countries are the oppressors at certain periods, certain are the oppressed. Certain never oppress, certain do. Some nations come and take the place of the natives who lived there for so long as if nothing amd make the country their own. What I truly believe is there is some deep and interesting trends to follow if one is to understand more about Mundane Astrology vis-a vis history. So please do not take my words too personally. My initial remark was said more in a philosophical tone than anything else.. If I personally started to think about the Italians and the Greeks and the Turks and the French level of guilt concerning my country of birth and if I start to harbour any personal ill-feeling towards them.... I would surely build a vicious circle. If Jyotish and the Vedic sciences are teaching me something I would say one word: Vayraga (detachment) Warm regards from hot hot Athens (almost 40 degrees C) Nadia > Dear Nadia, > The only thing that bothers me about your question is the ASSUMPTION that we, the people of the United States of America, do not have regrets, do not reproach ourselves, do not have concern for the many lives lost, do not have the values we profess to have. The truth is, this is a nation made of of many nation states banded together. It represents, among other nationalities, Greeks as well as Turks and Chinese and Taiwanese and Hawaiians and Greenlanders.....and on. You do not think of my beloved country as a mixing pot, but I do. The difference between my country and yours may be in its histories and its laws and its accomplishments and its humanity and its spirituality. But do I say, I am better than you, I raise my nose when you pass by---or do I say, I love my country very much, won't you come visit me?! > > Love, > Carol! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Dear Nadia, Thank you for your response which is a much more broad viewpoint than what I thought originally--and yes, I'd love to visit with you, too! Happy day to all, Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2002 Report Share Posted July 23, 2002 Dear C On 16-07-02 you wrote <<What is the karma for presuming to know what is in the hearts of a whole nation?>> me I suppose that it is just ignorance to presume to know. For those that really know, we cannot see any presumption. <<What would be the national karma if the war was allowed to continue as it was projected for months, even years longer?>> Well, i would say that it is expected to see miscalculation on the part of the military and politicians, and therefore the national karma would be in accord with the low vibrations of Kali yuga, the present age of quarrel, friction and wars. In regard to the nuclear bombs on Japan cities, i may be called un-patriotic, but my consciousness tells me to say that in my humble opinion, it was just murder. We have to see that those in power have to justify their activities with political motivated propaganda, which in most cases are just lies. Therefore we always will have 2 different kind of news, one set of news for the general public and another set of alternative news for the well informed. Therefore, history can be written according to the set of news. Few days ago i did see on TV a programme about how during the World War II, the British allowed a guy to lead in a certain direction about how to attack the Germans. That guy said that by bombing the cities, Germany would surrender faster. In this way the British bombed many German cities, and in the last one, Dresden, the "allies" dropped more bombs in 3 months than in the whole year of 1944. In Dresden alone some 50,000 civilians were murdered. Winston Churchill the then Prime Minister wrote a note saying that such an evil act was not right, but politically, he had to withdraw his opinion. In the case of Japan, the alternative news claims that the nuclear option was not necessary. What to believe? We should believe in our consciousness, which according to our intentions will take us to heaven or to hell. We have another example on the foot and mouth disease, which struck Britain last year. At that time the British government took the wrong decision of killing 6 million animals at a cost of £8 billion. The opposition claimed at the time that vaccination of animals rather than killing was the best option, but they all were unheard. This week a report was issued by experts claiming that vaccination was the best way to tackle the problem and therefore the British government misspent tax money badly. I have to say that 1 million animals are killed every week in Britain to satisfy meat eaters, but by doing so, they are making a bad national karma and Mother Nature will arrange for wars to balance that bad karma. According to karma, an evil direction is allowed to take the nation to destruction. According to the Mahabharata, the Kurus mistreated the Pandavas and robbed them from their rights. Great sages at the time including Vyasadeva, Maitreya and Narada, told that the solution to avoid the destruction of the Kurus, was for the Kurus to apologise to the Pandavas for their wrong doings. Unfortunately, the Kurus were too proud to listening good advise, and in the end the Battle of Kuruksetra came and killed all those that committed mistakes and even those that although with brains to see the mistakes, were part of a collective karma. Although the Pandavas suffered a lot, because of their virtues, in the end were given the kingdom of earth, after the battle of Kuruksetra. The Kuruksetra war took only 18 days and it decided the balance of virtue against nonsense. According to Vedic rules, civilians, indefensible people, children, women and elderly should never being killed. Battles are only between warriors and between equal. To break those rules means to attract a bad karma that sooner or later will get us. Best wishes Natabara das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2002 Report Share Posted July 23, 2002 My dear natabara May I say that none of us will know for certain in this life and perhaps not in the next. > In regard to the nuclear bombs on Japan cities, i may be called > un-patriotic, but my consciousness tells me to say that in my humble > opinion, it was just murder. > If the war had ended differently you may not have this luxury of talking about consciousness. You might not even have an opinion. I might be part of an elite group because I am tall, strong and blonde with blue eyes. There were many groups who were marked for extinction. That is not misrepresentation by the news. That is information from the inside. Japan wanted to win and the price for that huberis was its innocent people. The war history can be viewed from different perspectives but there is plenty of information to support that it was a real war with real aggression and the loss of many real innocent lives. It was going the other direction. The men who created the bomb wished they did not have to use it. The men dropping the bomb wished they did not have to fly the mission. The people in the free world after the war have the luxury to contemplate states of consciousness and criticize the victors. I wish for you and everyone that luxury ad I will defend your luxury of an opinion and I hope you never need to fight for it. cynthia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 My dear Cynthia you <<If the war had ended differently you may not have this luxury of talking about consciousness. You might not even have an opinion. >> me Ifs, I am sure that I would not have reincarnated at all in a world ruled by crazy people like the ones you mention. I am a free thinker and I cannot tolerate those imposing trips. Although at present the world leadership is bad, at least we can tolerate and hope for better rulers. And in any way, Raman one of the leading Vedic astrologers of the past century predicted correctly the beginning and the end of the 2 great wars. Karmically, the world was not going to suffer the tyranny of those Japanese crazy leaders. That is one of the reasons why great yogis and sages in India celebrated a 1,000 year yagya (fire ceremony) to undermine the bad effects of this present Kali Yuga). Without the positive effects received from that ceremony, our present situation could have been worst. Therefore, because I have a fair consciousness and I am free to give my opinion, that is why I give what the Vedas say. That we should learn to know what is fair and what is an injustice. The Vedas are clear about it, and believe me to murder innocent civilians like it was done on Hiroshima and Nagasaki is called murder. No excuses can be given to that. You << I might be part of an elite group because I am tall, strong and blonde with blue eyes. There were many groups who were marked for extinction. That is not misrepresentation by the news. That is information from the inside. Japan wanted to win and the price for that huberis was its innocent people. The war history can be viewed from different perspectives but there is plenty of information to support that it was a real war with real aggression and the loss of many real innocent lives.>> me Those that rule by fear will die of fear according to the law of karma. If I tell you the real intentions about that war, you would not believe it. you <<It was going the other direction. The men who created the bomb wished they did not have to use it. The men dropping the bomb wished they did not have to fly the mission. The people in the free world after the war have the luxury to contemplate states of consciousness and criticize the victors. >> me We know that the victors in Kali Yuga always write history that satisfies their agenda of control and power. Anybody involved in a crime has to pay karma accordingly. The Vedas say that the one that kills the cow and the one that eats the meat have to pay for the crime of killing. Destiny knows how things work and somehow each one is put in a position to act according to the law of karma. We can give all sort of excuses, but in the end, we all are born destined to act. Duryodhana of the Mahabaratha was a very greedy man and when he stole unfairly the wealth of his cousins the Pandavas, he was given the chance to decide to save his life or to lose it. The condition was simple, he had to give only 5 villages to his cousins instead of the kingdom of Indraprastha, which he stole. Because he could not control his greed, anger, pride and illusion, he chose to die in the battle of Kuruksetra. No body wanted that war. The Pandavas wanted to avoid it and therefore they just wanted a village each, and Krishna did not want the battle either, but Duryodhana, full of false ego, decided to go to battle. And according to the moral rules of war, innocent civilians should not be murdered in any war. I you <<wish for you and everyone that luxury ad I will defend your luxury of an opinion and I hope you never need to fight for it.>> me Believe me, in my 53 years I have already fought few times defending my opinions. One of my problems is that I am not a conformist and therefore I cannot conform to imperfect rules imposed on me. We have to analyse power. The leaders can mould an opinion by persuasion, domination, coercion or manipulation. Therefore we can ask, what is an opinion? According to our karma, we are born in a body represented by a horoscope. The horoscope indicates from the 4th house, our mother, mind, education, country, comfort etc. Because each country has a specific education system, according to our karma, our mother is already "educated" under that system and her opinions already moulded. Therefore, from early age we get a determined education, which has to conform to the false concept that we are this body. We are not this body, we are spiritual soul, or so say the Vedas. We are free thinkers and we should not conform to the false opinions given by those that are prisoners of the false concept of being this body. That is one of the reasons of why we are attracted to Vedic astrology, to learn to have a real opinion and not a false opinion. We have the opinion generated by those in the bodily concept and the opinion generated by those in the soul concept. What to chose? Best wishes Natabara das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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