17 July 1821 - Andy Jackson Takes Charge

[Guest guest]

How strange. I just received this mail. About the treatment of the Indians

by the white people. Talk about "coincidence" with my dialogue with

Carolyn!!! and the post of Das. Amazing.

 

Nadia

 

 

Andy Jackson Takes Charge

 

> but I can vouch for at least the Seminoles phrase. In the hideous "Trail

> of Tears" forced march, the some of the Seminoles and virtually all of the

> Cherokees were dislodged from their historic homeland in the U.S.

Southeast and pushed at gunpoint to Oklahoma in the dead of winter. The

U.S. Army herded them along.

>

.. Jackson was President then, and he instituted the march to fulfill a

> campaign promise to the white settlers of Georgia and Florida to free up

what became those States for their use. It didn't help that gold was

> discovered in northern Georgia around the same time.

>

> Now the Indians of the Southeast were not warlike and had lived for

> generations comfortably with white people. The Indians were mainly

farmers and ranchers, and not a little intermarrying took place. Yet to

promote white expansionists' interests, those red men had to go.

>

> About half of the Indians died during the journey.

>

> There are plenty of Seminoles in South Florida today, living in or near

the Everglades (sawgrass swamp, for non-U.S. rs). These Indians

are descendants of the ones who were better at guerilla fighting in

tropical heat and swamps than the soldiers of Jackson's U.S. Army.

>

> Over time, some of the Cherokees returned from Oklahoma to the

> Georgia/Carolinas area. They call themselves the "eastern band" of the >

Cherokee Tribe.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Nadia

Who wrote this and why do you assume that it is accurate?

 

c

 

 

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"Nadia" <nadiak

<gjlist>

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:56 PM

[GJ] 17 July 1821 - Andy Jackson Takes Charge

 

 

>

> How strange. I just received this mail. About the treatment of the Indians

> by the white people. Talk about "coincidence" with my dialogue with

> Carolyn!!! and the post of Das. Amazing.

>

> Nadia

>

>

> Andy Jackson Takes Charge

>

> > but I can vouch for at least the Seminoles phrase. In the hideous

"Trail

> > of Tears" forced march, the some of the Seminoles and virtually all of

the

> > Cherokees were dislodged from their historic homeland in the U.S.

> Southeast and pushed at gunpoint to Oklahoma in the dead of winter. The

> U.S. Army herded them along.

> >

> . Jackson was President then, and he instituted the march to fulfill a

> > campaign promise to the white settlers of Georgia and Florida to free up

> what became those States for their use. It didn't help that gold was

> > discovered in northern Georgia around the same time.

> >

> > Now the Indians of the Southeast were not warlike and had lived for

> > generations comfortably with white people. The Indians were mainly

> farmers and ranchers, and not a little intermarrying took place. Yet to

> promote white expansionists' interests, those red men had to go.

> >

> > About half of the Indians died during the journey.

> >

> > There are plenty of Seminoles in South Florida today, living in or near

> the Everglades (sawgrass swamp, for non-U.S. rs). These Indians

> are descendants of the ones who were better at guerilla fighting in

> tropical heat and swamps than the soldiers of Jackson's U.S. Army.

> >

> > Over time, some of the Cherokees returned from Oklahoma to the

> > Georgia/Carolinas area. They call themselves the "eastern band" of the

>

> Cherokee Tribe.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nadia

 

Why do you hate America and American's so?

 

c

 

-

"Nadia" <nadiak

<gjlist>

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:56 PM

[GJ] 17 July 1821 - Andy Jackson Takes Charge

 

 

>

> How strange. I just received this mail. About the treatment of the Indians

> by the white people. Talk about "coincidence" with my dialogue with

> Carolyn!!! and the post of Das. Amazing.

>

> Nadia

>

>

> Andy Jackson Takes Charge

>

> > but I can vouch for at least the Seminoles phrase. In the hideous

"Trail

> > of Tears" forced march, the some of the Seminoles and virtually all of

the

> > Cherokees were dislodged from their historic homeland in the U.S.

> Southeast and pushed at gunpoint to Oklahoma in the dead of winter. The

> U.S. Army herded them along.

> >

> . Jackson was President then, and he instituted the march to fulfill a

> > campaign promise to the white settlers of Georgia and Florida to free up

> what became those States for their use. It didn't help that gold was

> > discovered in northern Georgia around the same time.

> >

> > Now the Indians of the Southeast were not warlike and had lived for

> > generations comfortably with white people. The Indians were mainly

> farmers and ranchers, and not a little intermarrying took place. Yet to

> promote white expansionists' interests, those red men had to go.

> >

> > About half of the Indians died during the journey.

> >

> > There are plenty of Seminoles in South Florida today, living in or near

> the Everglades (sawgrass swamp, for non-U.S. rs). These Indians

> are descendants of the ones who were better at guerilla fighting in

> tropical heat and swamps than the soldiers of Jackson's U.S. Army.

> >

> > Over time, some of the Cherokees returned from Oklahoma to the

> > Georgia/Carolinas area. They call themselves the "eastern band" of the

>

> Cherokee Tribe.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

[Guest guest]

http://ngeorgia.com/history/nghisttt.html

http://rosecity.net/tears/trail/tearsnht.html

http://www.powersource.com/cocinc/history/trail.htm

http://ngeorgia.com/history/cherokeeforts.html

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=75062&tocid=0&query=trail%20of%20tea

rs

http://www.choctawnation.com/history/trail_of_tears.htm

 

 

Hi

Sending you some pages that you can check. There must be many others as

well.

The post I forwarded (from another list) was writen by a US citizen

 

Nadia

 

 

 

> Dear Nadia

> Who wrote this and why do you assume that it is accurate?

>

> c

>

>

> -

> "Nadia" <nadiak

> <gjlist>

> Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:56 PM

> [GJ] 17 July 1821 - Andy Jackson Takes Charge

>

>

> >

> > How strange. I just received this mail. About the treatment of the

Indians

> > by the white people. Talk about "coincidence" with my dialogue with

> > Carolyn!!! and the post of Das. Amazing.

> >

> > Nadia

> >

> >

> > Andy Jackson Takes Charge

> >

> > > but I can vouch for at least the Seminoles phrase. In the hideous

> "Trail

> > > of Tears" forced march, the some of the Seminoles and virtually all of

> the

> > > Cherokees were dislodged from their historic homeland in the U.S.

> > Southeast and pushed at gunpoint to Oklahoma in the dead of winter.

The

> > U.S. Army herded them along.

> > >

> > . Jackson was President then, and he instituted the march to fulfill a

> > > campaign promise to the white settlers of Georgia and Florida to free

up

> > what became those States for their use. It didn't help that gold was

> > > discovered in northern Georgia around the same time.

> > >

> > > Now the Indians of the Southeast were not warlike and had lived for

> > > generations comfortably with white people. The Indians were mainly

> > farmers and ranchers, and not a little intermarrying took place. Yet

to

> > promote white expansionists' interests, those red men had to go.

> > >

> > > About half of the Indians died during the journey.

> > >

> > > There are plenty of Seminoles in South Florida today, living in or

near

> > the Everglades (sawgrass swamp, for non-U.S. rs). These

Indians

> > are descendants of the ones who were better at guerilla fighting in

> > tropical heat and swamps than the soldiers of Jackson's U.S. Army.

> > >

> > > Over time, some of the Cherokees returned from Oklahoma to the

> > > Georgia/Carolinas area. They call themselves the "eastern band" of

the

> >

> > Cherokee Tribe.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just learned on NPR

this evening that antisemeticism is becoming vogue in Europe now. Just when

I thought we were evolving we are devolving.

sorry, just sad.

When did anti-semetism ever go out of vogue? It's always been under the surface

around the world wherever Jews are. Everyone finds a reason to slam everyone

else or hate or point fingers and condemn. Same tune, different time period,

different 'country'. Like I've said...we could all be homogenized and look

alike, live in the same houses with the same cars and have the same number of

kids...identical and people would find a reason to separate and divide and

hate. It's ridiculous. Nobody seems to learn tolerance and sensitivity except

a very few who somehow we think...make it out of this plane to what we think is

a better plane 'somewhere'. What if this is just a broken record that some

highly evolved being forgot to fix like a videotape in the VCR that keeps

playing and replaying for all time? What a trip.

Renee

[Guest guest]

Sure seems like shades of the esoteric list around the WTC, eh Cynthia?

 

Renee

 

>>> c.a.novak 07/17/02 11:09AM >>>

Nadia

 

Why do you hate America and American's so?

 

c

 

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"Nadia" <nadiak

<gjlist>

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:56 PM

[GJ] 17 July 1821 - Andy Jackson Takes Charge

 

 

>

> How strange. I just received this mail. About the treatment of the Indians

> by the white people. Talk about "coincidence" with my dialogue with

> Carolyn!!! and the post of Das. Amazing.

>

> Nadia

>

>

> Andy Jackson Takes Charge

>

> > but I can vouch for at least the Seminoles phrase. In the hideous

"Trail

> > of Tears" forced march, the some of the Seminoles and virtually all of

the

> > Cherokees were dislodged from their historic homeland in the U.S.

> Southeast and pushed at gunpoint to Oklahoma in the dead of winter. The

> U.S. Army herded them along.

> >

> . Jackson was President then, and he instituted the march to fulfill a

> > campaign promise to the white settlers of Georgia and Florida to free up

> what became those States for their use. It didn't help that gold was

> > discovered in northern Georgia around the same time.

> >

> > Now the Indians of the Southeast were not warlike and had lived for

> > generations comfortably with white people. The Indians were mainly

> farmers and ranchers, and not a little intermarrying took place. Yet to

> promote white expansionists' interests, those red men had to go.

> >

> > About half of the Indians died during the journey.

> >

> > There are plenty of Seminoles in South Florida today, living in or near

> the Everglades (sawgrass swamp, for non-U.S. rs). These Indians

> are descendants of the ones who were better at guerilla fighting in

> tropical heat and swamps than the soldiers of Jackson's U.S. Army.

> >

> > Over time, some of the Cherokees returned from Oklahoma to the

> > Georgia/Carolinas area. They call themselves the "eastern band" of the

>

> Cherokee Tribe.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

: gjlist-

 

 

 

Your use of is subject to

[Guest guest]

Hi Renee

 

I really should learn to shut up and just allow the sniping without

response. I'm sincerely interested in the origins. I just learned on NPR

this evening that antisemeticism is becoming vogue in Europe now. Just when

I thought we were evolving we are devolving.

 

sorry, just sad.

 

c

 

-

"Renee Serrano" <RSERRANO

<gjlist>

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:15 PM

Re: [GJ] 17 July 1821 - Andy Jackson Takes Charge

 

 

> Sure seems like shades of the esoteric list around the WTC, eh Cynthia?

>

> Renee

>

> >>> c.a.novak 07/17/02 11:09AM >>>

> Nadia

>

> Why do you hate America and American's so?

>

> c

>

> -

> "Nadia" <nadiak

> <gjlist>

> Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:56 PM

> [GJ] 17 July 1821 - Andy Jackson Takes Charge

>

>

> >

> > How strange. I just received this mail. About the treatment of the

Indians

> > by the white people. Talk about "coincidence" with my dialogue with

> > Carolyn!!! and the post of Das. Amazing.

> >

> > Nadia

> >

> >

> > Andy Jackson Takes Charge

> >

> > > but I can vouch for at least the Seminoles phrase. In the hideous

> "Trail

> > > of Tears" forced march, the some of the Seminoles and virtually all of

> the

> > > Cherokees were dislodged from their historic homeland in the U.S.

> > Southeast and pushed at gunpoint to Oklahoma in the dead of winter.

The

> > U.S. Army herded them along.

> > >

> > . Jackson was President then, and he instituted the march to fulfill a

> > > campaign promise to the white settlers of Georgia and Florida to free

up

> > what became those States for their use. It didn't help that gold was

> > > discovered in northern Georgia around the same time.

> > >

> > > Now the Indians of the Southeast were not warlike and had lived for

> > > generations comfortably with white people. The Indians were mainly

> > farmers and ranchers, and not a little intermarrying took place. Yet

to

> > promote white expansionists' interests, those red men had to go.

> > >

> > > About half of the Indians died during the journey.

> > >

> > > There are plenty of Seminoles in South Florida today, living in or

near

> > the Everglades (sawgrass swamp, for non-U.S. rs). These

Indians

> > are descendants of the ones who were better at guerilla fighting in

> > tropical heat and swamps than the soldiers of Jackson's U.S. Army.

> > >

> > > Over time, some of the Cherokees returned from Oklahoma to the

> > > Georgia/Carolinas area. They call themselves the "eastern band" of

the

> >

> > Cherokee Tribe.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>