Guest guest Posted March 8, 2002 Report Share Posted March 8, 2002 Dear Vivek, Thank you for posting this date for us. Alas, I will be so old when this infant is able to teach the world! My question to you is, does Krishna have a horoscope of His birth? (That would indicate he has an end as well as a beginning!) Best wishes, Carol In a message dated Fri, 8 Mar 2002 7:36:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Vivek " <keviv90 writes: > hello everyone, > Imagine the following horoscope---scorpio > lagna with an exalted ketu close to lagna,exalted jupiter > with moon in the ninth house,sun and mars in leo in the > tenth,mercury in virgo in the eleventh,venus in libra in the > twelfth and saturn in gemini in the eighth. > such a rare birth is possible around 4 or 5 september 2002.In fact > such a rare alignment of planets takes place once in many > centuries. > This reminds me of what Lord Krishna says in the bhagwad > gita---(chapter 4 text 7,8) > whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious > practice--o descendant of bharata--and a predominant rise of > irreligion--at that time I descend myself. > In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants,as > well as to reestablish the principles of religion,I advent myself > millenium after millenium. > > Lord krishna had descended himself as sri chaitanya mahaprabhu in > the fifteenth century.I wonder if it will happen again. > yours truly, > vivek. > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2002 Report Share Posted March 8, 2002 Carolhook (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: Dear Vivek,Thank you for posting this date for us. Alas, I will be so old when this infant is able to teach the world!My question to you is, does Krishna have a horoscope of His birth? (That would indicate he has an end as well as a beginning!)Best wishes,Carol In a message dated Fri, 8 Mar 2002 7:36:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Vivek " writes:> hello everyone,> Imagine the following horoscope---scorpio> lagna with an exalted ketu close to lagna,exalted jupiter> with moon in the ninth house,sun and mars in leo in the > tenth,mercury in virgo in the eleventh,venus in libra in the > twelfth and saturn in gemini in the eighth.> such a rare birth is possible around 4 or 5 september 2002.In fact > such a rare alignment of planets takes place once in many > centuries.> This reminds me of what Lord Krishna says in the bhagwad > gita---(chapter 4 text 7,8)> whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious > practice--o descendant of bharata--and a predominant rise of > irreligion--at that time I descend myself.> In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants,as > well as to reestablish the principles of religion,I advent myself > millenium after millenium.> > Lord krishna had descended himself as sri chaitanya mahaprabhu in > the fifteenth century.I wonder if it will happen again.> yours truly,> vivek.> Try FREE Mail - the world's greatest free email! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2002 Report Share Posted March 9, 2002 Wait, so this chart also has kala sarpa yog, no? --- Himanshu Patel <meethimanshu wrote: > > Dear Carol, > > According to my teachers at Vedic astrology Class, > we should never study the the horoscope of Lord > Krishna. The reason being once we have the horoscope > of God incarnation on earth... we start analyzing > the horoscope. But if we try to find the faults in > the horosope then it is highly sinful since we try > to find faults with God. I sincerely agree with > them. > > Regards, > Himanshu Patel. > Carolhook wrote: > Dear Vivek, > Thank you for posting this date for us. Alas, I will > be so old when this infant is able to teach the > world! > My question to you is, does Krishna have a horoscope > of His birth? (That would indicate he has an end as > well as a beginning!) > Best wishes, > Carol > > > In a message dated Fri, 8 Mar 2002 7:36:00 AM > Eastern Standard Time, "Vivek " writes: > > > hello everyone, > > Imagine the following horoscope---scorpio > > lagna with an exalted ketu close to lagna,exalted > jupiter > > with moon in the ninth house,sun and mars in leo > in the > > tenth,mercury in virgo in the eleventh,venus in > libra in the > > twelfth and saturn in gemini in the eighth. > > such a rare birth is possible around 4 or 5 > september 2002.In fact > > such a rare alignment of planets takes place once > in many > > centuries. > > This reminds me of what Lord Krishna says in the > bhagwad > > gita---(chapter 4 text 7,8) > > whenever and wherever there is a decline in > religious > > practice--o descendant of bharata--and a > predominant rise of > > irreligion--at that time I descend myself. > > In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate > the miscreants,as > > well as to reestablish the principles of > religion,I advent myself > > millenium after millenium. > > > > Lord krishna had descended himself as sri > chaitanya mahaprabhu in > > the fifteenth century.I wonder if it will happen > again. > > yours truly, > > vivek.> > > > > > > Try FREE Mail - the world's greatest free email! Try FREE Mail - the world's greatest free email! / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2002 Report Share Posted March 9, 2002 But unfortunately this person will have Kala sarpa yoga. KH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 According to my teachers at Vedic astrology Class, we should never study the the horoscope of Lord Krishna. The reason being once we have the horoscope of God incarnation on earth... we start analyzing the horoscope. But if we try to find the faults in the horosope then it is highly sinful since we try to find faults with God. I sincerely agree with them. Regards, Himanshu Patel. Dear Himanshu, I agree with you--I was asking a question without really expecting an answer, other than being taken to task for impetuously asking it. My apologies to you and anyone else who chafed when reading that, it was a smarty aleck ego (rahu) thing of me to ask such a question while at the same time, assuming there would be no answer, for I do know better. Sincerely, Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 the birth and death of Krishna should be considered like the sunrise and sunset of the Sun. It is just an illusion that the Sun is born and dies because the Sun is always there. Dear Natabara, It was with a quick thought and an egoistic twinkle that I wrote that question, not thinking I would be taken seriously...it was in response to the idea of a good person to come into the world this September, followed with the thought of Krishna's return to earth....i was putting both of these ideas together and rejected that we could predict exact return of Krishna to earth form, so wrote my foolish question. Many thanks to you for your thoughtful response, with which I am in complete agreement. Best wishes, Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 natabara wrote : >Dear Himanshu > >you ><<According to my teachers at Vedic astrology Class, we should >never study the the horoscope of Lord Krishna. The reason being >once we have the horoscope of God incarnation on earth... we >start analyzing the horoscope. But if we try to find the faults >in the horosope then it is highly sinful since we try to find >faults with God. I sincerely agree with them.>> > >me >I think that it is a wise advise. Due to our ignorance, envy or >false ego, we are told in the beginning many similar advises. > >However, once we are more advanced, purified and that our false >ego is more tamed, we can find inspiration in reading the >horoscope of God on earth. At that time, we are given many >secrets and confidential matters. > >It may take a short time or a life time to receive divine >nectar, but the promise is there, that we will get it if we are >sincere. > >In fact, His divine mercy is there from the beginning of time, >but we are so attracted to the illusory energy that we cannot see >the truth around us. > >My teachers told me that the false ego is like a dusty mirror. >The more we clean that mirror, the more we will be able to see >our real face, our real ego, our real self, our real identity. > >Sociologists agree that every individual becomes entangled in >sex, class and nation, as soon as education starts. > >Although the soul is pure in the beginning, from babyhood we are >told "what a beautiful boy/girl". Therefore, the soul becomes >identified with the "I am a boy/girl", "i am beautiful". Later >on we are told "you should behave according to your class, you >are rich/poor", > >We are told as well "you are black/white/yellow/red/brown etc" >and "you are American/Mexican/ Russian/ French/British etc and >you have to defend your country. And you are >Christian/Jew/Muslim/Hindu/Buddhist/ etc. > >All those designations are part of the material conception. Our >false ego girates around those temporary labels. > >In reality, we are spiritual souls, we all are brothers and >sisters. Frontiers and limitations are dictated by illusory and >temporary powers. > >When we die, we lose all those designations and we reincarnate in >another body which will be limited by some different designations >to the ones encountered at present. > >best wishes >Natabara Das > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 i think it is too much of mumbo jumbo. religion is simple and not complicated. do you know lord always comes at right time .what about lord rama. his helper hanumana was with arjun and and he was also there so you should also say some thing about it also . then how can lord krishana come in the grab of a saint he was toooooooo small to be lord krishana. krishan is the king of yogis and how a master can be life gauranga.well iskon does take it to limits and look at the sexual harassment case against it.what about meerabai and saint surdas. all are forgotten and only prabhupad and chatanya maha prabhu exists dont you think it taking it to limits. yoga gives supernatural powers but still to say chatinya was lord is too much.what about other saints of india who have worshipped him . deepak singh On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 natabara wrote : >Dear Carol > >you ><<My question to you is, does Krishna have a horoscope of His >birth? (That would indicate he has an end as well as a >beginning!)>> > >me > From the relative vision or consideration, we may say that >Krishna has a beginning and an end. But the Lord does that as a >pastime to fulfil a certain pastime according to his Divine >will. > > From the Srimad Bhagatam, we can read that Gargamuni (one of the >18 fathers of Vedic astrology) calculated His Divine horoscope >soon after He was born some 5,000 years ago, some 125 years >before the beginning of the present Kali Yuga. > >Because Mr Kali could not start his age of Kali, the age of >quarrels, frictions and hypocrisy, as long as the feet of the >Lord were touching the earth, Krishna arranged His departure from >thos earthly realm. > >However, the birth and death of Krishna should be considered like >the sunrise and sunset of the Sun. It is just an illusion that >the Sun is born and dies because the Sun is always there. > >Lord Brahma, the architect of this particular universe, lives for >100 of his years equivalent to 311,040,000,000 yeatrs on earth. > >However, a life of Brahma is equivalent to about 1/5 of a second >in Krishna's life. > >As far as i know, nobody has beeen able to produce the horoscope >of lord Krishna, but we are trying to find it, and i am sure that >one day somebody will find it. > >Some descriptions of His horoscope are given in the Srimad >bhagavatam and in the Mahabharata. > >Best wishes >Natabara Das > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 Dear KH What do you kind unfortunate about kala sarpa yoga? I have quite a few clients with this placement that are happy and successful. What have you seen? c - <Postomega16 <gjlist> Saturday, March 09, 2002 1:51 PM Re: [GJ] DIVINE BIRTH > > But unfortunately this person will have Kala sarpa yoga. KH > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 obeisances i found this to be offensive y.s stavavali devi dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2002 Report Share Posted March 12, 2002 Namaste Natabara, How are you? Thanks for the replies to Deepak. I think you said it better than i could. I kept quiet because i did not think that we could come to an agreement. About what you said concerning Bhagwan Krishna's birth chart, i have a question. In the scriptures there are birth charts informations on Lord Rama and Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. What do you think about that? Hari Om Hari Das ---------- "natabara" <natabara (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> "GJlist" <gjlist> [GJ] DIVINE BIRTH Sat, Mar 9, 2002, 8:51 PM Dear Himanshu you <<According to my teachers at Vedic astrology Class, we should never study the the horoscope of Lord Krishna. The reason being once we have the horoscope of God incarnation on earth... we start analyzing the horoscope. But if we try to find the faults in the horosope then it is highly sinful since we try to find faults with God. I sincerely agree with them.>> me I think that it is a wise advise. Due to our ignorance, envy or false ego, we are told in the beginning many similar advises. However, once we are more advanced, purified and that our false ego is more tamed, we can find inspiration in reading the horoscope of God on earth. At that time, we are given many secrets and confidential matters. It may take a short time or a life time to receive divine nectar, but the promise is there, that we will get it if we are sincere. In fact, His divine mercy is there from the beginning of time, but we are so attracted to the illusory energy that we cannot see the truth around us. My teachers told me that the false ego is like a dusty mirror. The more we clean that mirror, the more we will be able to see our real face, our real ego, our real self, our real identity. Sociologists agree that every individual becomes entangled in sex, class and nation, as soon as education starts. Although the soul is pure in the beginning, from babyhood we are told "what a beautiful boy/girl". Therefore, the soul becomes identified with the "I am a boy/girl", "i am beautiful". Later on we are told "you should behave according to your class, you are rich/poor", We are told as well "you are black/white/yellow/red/brown etc" and "you are American/Mexican/ Russian/ French/British etc and you have to defend your country. And you are Christian/Jew/Muslim/Hindu/Buddhist/ etc. All those designations are part of the material conception. Our false ego girates around those temporary labels. In reality, we are spiritual souls, we all are brothers and sisters. Frontiers and limitations are dictated by illusory and temporary powers. When we die, we lose all those designations and we reincarnate in another body which will be limited by some different designations to the ones encountered at present. best wishes Natabara Das Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2002 Report Share Posted March 12, 2002 Reading your writings brings me much food for thought, just as they always did a couple of years ago. I invite you to continue taking the opportunity to preach (see below), as you do so much good when you do. With best wishes, and thanks, Carol In a message dated 3/12/2002 9:43:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, natabara (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com writes: Do not worry about it, i know that it was not your intention to be "challenging", but i took your question as an opportunity to preach the Glories of the Lord and clarify certain points. Many times Srila Prabhupada told some devotees to "challenge him" with some questions likely to be asked by some people. In that way Srila Prabhupada taught how to answer to those questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2002 Report Share Posted March 12, 2002 yes even i think that it is useless to be in the list as i thought that my guru shri k n rao will be on the list and he is not here and since i had the privilage of meeting many incompetent astrologers so it is use less talking with them.i have the problem of not accepting but he best. and i would like to keep every single word which he writes as his interpretations of the horoscopes are the best. as for iscon and its members i respect him(prabhupad)but cannot say the same for his followers they are some what like the nazis. i have been to iskon temples and you only believe that one mantra one guru is there.then what about all the gurus of india. are they fools look at mata nirmala devi you know what her followers call her the divine incarnation of durga.yes i am disappointted with your theories. you have not agreeed to read the books i have said and given the judgement. i had at least read many of the prabhupads books.so before rejecting all what i said dont you think that you read what i said. have you read the meerabais devotional songs and surdas writings they are also in the praise of lord krishana. and what about gitgovind.(book find it on the net) what about the saying of kabir and kabir panthis astrology and yoga are simple.dont complicate then with the mumbo and jumbo which you say is beyond compare . pandit amarnat of delhi a realy good astrologer says that astrology is nothing but 9 planets and 12 rashis undrstand them and you know astrology. yoga is also the same .if you read patanjali yoga sutras you will find them the best way to explain the yoga. is it is necessary to complicate it.or may be by complicating it it bacomes beyond the understanding of comman people and so that you gain importance as a guru or a advicer.even gita is only 700 slokas.why complicate the life when the mordern life is allready complicated. at least allow people to lve simply and if you look at all the best books you will find then small and having deeeeep meanings .. swami vivakannda was there in the last quater of 18 th century.do read him a time has passed when his fame was all over the world and still larg number of people follow him.do read him it willl be a eye opener for you. i have also met many of your gurus i also had gone to the temple in calcutta and in delhi so dont sya that i dont unerstand iskon. if you want to praise sopme thing then praise the hara krishana mantra .it was this mantra which ,madewhat swani prabhu pad was and chaitany was . it is the effect of the mantra.so is the same case of other people. why not tell peopple that do 20 mala of hara krishana mantra every day and folow a simople life and all the problems of life will be cured slowly.that will be better as you your self know all the mantras have the curutive effect.off course not tantrick mantra. easy to back out of the battle but it is difficlt to overcome the enemy.at least if you would have ripped apart my argumnets i would have liked it. and mastard oil medicine properties and try using it when the dasha of saturn is running in a person/.you will realis e the use of simple remedies to cure complex problems .make things simple and not the use less discusions on ego and super ego.do medation you will realise the benefits .is use less to entyer into arguments .apply it say swami sivsnanda says.devine life society(he died in1 1960 )read his books also. wishing you all the bestand it does not effect me at all even if you throw my mails into junck box. truth allways triumps. and what ever i have sad is the wisdon i gained by reading books and company of great men. al the ideas about human beings have been allready discovered but we generally re enven the wheel.what i have said just confirms that wht ever the great saints have spoken or wriitteeeeen we are just rediscovering then and what i ahve said is nothing new it is allready written and the experience of saints deepak ===================== ><<,dhfgj suhdjlgvhadfi8gyh ae> > >amd > ><<kashdfl auhg.>> > >me >This is the last email addresed to you. I have lost my patience >with you because you are beyond the beyond. Next time i just >will delete your emails because they are not worthy wasting time >reading them. Good luck. > >It is sad to see that another has bitten the dust. > >Best wishes >Natabara Das > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2002 Report Share Posted March 13, 2002 Thank you so much for those words for enlightenment. It’s really heartening to know that people like you from the West or rather non-Indians know our rich Indian cultures & traditional values much more than many Indians here. It’s a shame that many young Indians have very little knowledge of our ancient Vedic knowledge. People like you and Shri Das Goravani have been a great inspiration for couple of friends along with me here in India. Thank you, Himanshu Patel. Try FREE Mail - the world's greatest free email! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2002 Report Share Posted March 13, 2002 I totally agree with you Himanshu. No wonder, Indian "enlighted souls" go to the west for propoganda of the Hindu thoughts because listeners are OUT THERE. See His Holiness Mahesh Yogi, Swami Vivekananda, Srila Prabhupada... etc to name a few. People like Shri Raghunandan Das (Das Goravani) and Natabara Das by all means need to be praised. But do not get bothered, criticism prevails and will prevail. Hare Krishna, Raajul Kaushik - Himanshu Patel gjlist Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:48 PM Re: [GJ] Divine Birth Dear Shri Natabara, Thank you so much for those words for enlightenment. It’s really heartening to know that people like you from the West or rather non-Indians know our rich Indian cultures & traditional values much more than many Indians here. It’s a shame that many young Indians have very little knowledge of our ancient Vedic knowledge. People like you and Shri Das Goravani have been a great inspiration for couple of friends along with me here in India. Thank you, Himanshu Patel. Try FREE Mail - the world's greatest free email! Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 Hi everyone, How many of you agree that an incarnation(of the lord) is possible? The horoscope is great,is'nt it? The reason for repeating this thing is that ---- I would like Das Goravani's views on this.At that time he was not active on the list.He is now (Dear Das,what have you got to say?) Best wishes, vivek. On Fri, 08 Mar 2002 Vivek wrote : >hello everyone, > Imagine the following horoscope---scorpio >lagna with an exalted ketu close to lagna,exalted jupiter >with moon in the ninth house,sun and mars in leo in the >tenth,mercury in virgo in the eleventh,venus in libra in the >twelfth and saturn in gemini in the eighth. >such a rare birth is possible around 4 or 5 september 2002.In >fact >such a rare alignment of planets takes place once in many >centuries. >This reminds me of what Lord Krishna says in the bhagwad >gita---(chapter 4 text 7,8) > whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious >practice--o descendant of bharata--and a predominant rise of >irreligion--at that time I descend myself. >In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the >miscreants,as >well as to reestablish the principles of religion,I advent >myself >millenium after millenium. > >Lord krishna had descended himself as sri chaitanya mahaprabhu >in >the fifteenth century.I wonder if it will happen again. > yours truly, > vivek. > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: >gjlist- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 Hi Vivek, >Imagine the following horoscope---scorpio >lagna with an exalted ketu close to lagna,exalted jupiter >with moon in the ninth house,sun and mars in leo in the >tenth,mercury in virgo in the eleventh,venus in libra in the >twelfth and saturn in gemini in the eighth. >such a rare birth is possible around 4 or 5 september 2002.In >fact I pondered also about this constellations, because i know a women, who are destined to give birth around this time. But what about the papakartari yoga, Jupiter and Moon in between two malefics, Saturn on one side; Sun and Mars on the other? regards, Volker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 Hare Rama Krishna ------------------------ Hi there, I would prefer Cancer Lagna, giving the compassion of Bhagawan himself. Best wishes, Visti. - <vokae <gjlist> Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:58 PM Re: [GJ] DIVINE BIRTH > > Hi Vivek, > > >Imagine the following horoscope---scorpio > >lagna with an exalted ketu close to lagna,exalted jupiter > >with moon in the ninth house,sun and mars in leo in the > >tenth,mercury in virgo in the eleventh,venus in libra in the > >twelfth and saturn in gemini in the eighth. > >such a rare birth is possible around 4 or 5 september 2002.In > >fact > > I pondered also about this constellations, because i know a > women, who are destined to give birth around this time. > > But what about the papakartari yoga, Jupiter and Moon > in between two malefics, Saturn on one side; Sun and > Mars on the other? > > regards, > > Volker > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 Om Namo Narayanaya, Nice at first site indeed. Yet, the navamsa positions are more important than rashi positions. This is classical rule. For divine Birth, some higher Yogas occuring with Kendra or Kona lords are indespensible as written in Brihat Parashara Best wishes Zoran Visti Larsen wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna > ------------------------ > Hi there, > I would prefer Cancer Lagna, giving the compassion of Bhagawan himself. > > Best wishes, Visti. > > - > <vokae > <gjlist> > Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:58 PM > Re: [GJ] DIVINE BIRTH > > > > > Hi Vivek, > > > > >Imagine the following horoscope---scorpio > > >lagna with an exalted ketu close to lagna,exalted jupiter > > >with moon in the ninth house,sun and mars in leo in the > > >tenth,mercury in virgo in the eleventh,venus in libra in the > > >twelfth and saturn in gemini in the eighth. > > >such a rare birth is possible around 4 or 5 september 2002.In > > >fact > > > > I pondered also about this constellations, because i know a > > women, who are destined to give birth around this time. > > > > But what about the papakartari yoga, Jupiter and Moon > > in between two malefics, Saturn on one side; Sun and > > Mars on the other? > > > > regards, > > > > Volker > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2002 Report Share Posted June 21, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah Dear List, How can you exclude that you yourself aren't a divine birth? But surely an avatara of Vishnu is yet to come. Best wishes, Visti. - "Zoran Radosavljevic" <ahimsa <gjlist> Friday, June 21, 2002 2:46 AM Re: [GJ] DIVINE BIRTH > Om Namo Narayanaya, > Nice at first site indeed. Yet, the navamsa positions are more important than > rashi positions. This is classical rule. For divine Birth, some higher Yogas > occuring with Kendra or Kona lords are indespensible as written in Brihat > Parashara > Best wishes > Zoran > Visti Larsen wrote: > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > ------------------------ > > Hi there, > > I would prefer Cancer Lagna, giving the compassion of Bhagawan himself. > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > - > > <vokae > > <gjlist> > > Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:58 PM > > Re: [GJ] DIVINE BIRTH > > > > > > > > Hi Vivek, > > > > > > >Imagine the following horoscope---scorpio > > > >lagna with an exalted ketu close to lagna,exalted jupiter > > > >with moon in the ninth house,sun and mars in leo in the > > > >tenth,mercury in virgo in the eleventh,venus in libra in the > > > >twelfth and saturn in gemini in the eighth. > > > >such a rare birth is possible around 4 or 5 september 2002.In > > > >fact > > > > > > I pondered also about this constellations, because i know a > > > women, who are destined to give birth around this time. > > > > > > But what about the papakartari yoga, Jupiter and Moon > > > in between two malefics, Saturn on one side; Sun and > > > Mars on the other? > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Volker > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 Hare Rama Krishna - Dear Dhira Krsna, Exalted planets do not constitute a divine incarnation. It helped Rama, but he was also a king. Krishna wasn't a king and never aspired to be a ruler of any place. How about Buddha? he was born a king and wanted the exact opposite.. Pravrayja Yoga. See the Avataras lives, and then the charts will begin unfolding. Hence exalted planet does not mean we have a divine incarnation on our hands. Best wishes, Visti. - "Dhira Krsna BCS" <Dhira.Krsna.BCS <gjlist> Monday, June 24, 2002 7:21 PM [GJ] DIVINE BIRTH > Dear Visti, > > >But surely an avatara of Vishnu is yet to come. > >Best wishes, Visti. > > What about April 2003? Almost all planets get exalted at that time... > Looks very similar to the chart of Jesus I have. > > Yours, > Dhira Krsna dasa > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2002 Report Share Posted June 26, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ----- Dear Krsna, Sorry i only have the same charts that you have, and also a presumed chart of Buddha, given by BV Raman. Actually i never said an Avatara was to appear anytime soon. I wasn't expecting one until we enter the last phase of this Yuga.. we've barely begun it, but thats how time is.. When one has planets in Devalokamsa it makes a person very giving, and charitable. As a result one goes out of ones way to give to others. More about the effects of grahas in various Amsa's can be learned from Sarvath Chintamani. Parasara states that a graha is in Devaloka-amsa, when the Graha occupies its Swakshetra, Moolatrikona or Ucche Sign, in 7 Vargas out of the Dasavarga scheme. The Dasa Varga scheme are the following Vargas; (1, 2, 3, 7, 9, 10, 12, 16, 30 & 60). Parasara further states than an Avatara of Vishnu has 2 Raja Yoga causing grahas in Devalokamsa. I can grasp this to some extent thou, i'm not sure why they SHOULD cause Raja Yoga. You don't need to be a king to give with all your heart, you see. No doubt Sri Rama should have this Yoga, but whether Krishna or other alike avataras should have the same, i'm not sure.. There comes some other factors into play here, such as which Hora to use, and also a change in Trimsamsa should be saught, as the Trimsamsa popularly given by Parasara cannot have planets placed in neither Cancer or Leo, and it only comprises the same ammount as the Kauluka divisons do. But one thing is absolutely sure. The Avataras of Vishnu should have a strong Moon associated with Lagna. This is because Vishnu is the maintainer and hence also the sustainer of the world, ruled by the 2nd house. And who does a better job than the moon in protecting us, being that its moolatrikona and Exaltation is in the natural 2nd house; Taurus. And indeed what a compassionate person it produces.. let alone a divine being. I would really like to try find Buddhas horoscope. 1) It should have 4 Graha-Pravrayja Yoga in Kendra to Lagna, hence the reason the Sage Asita said that either this child would become a great king or a renunciate! 2) Furthermore Moon should offcourse have a strong placement in the lagna. 3) The Arudha Lagna should have a strong Mercury in Kendra to it as well, showing the perfect student of the world. 4) There are some other inferences like his mother dying shortly after his birth. 5) He had 1 child. 6) He was protected from the world, and all suffering was removed from his eyes, hence very strong Subhakartari Yogas would be present. 7) His Birthday is celebrated on Vaishak Poornima, and his birth was said to be in the Lumbini(Rummindei) area. now part of Nepal. Can you find the longitude and lattitude? i am unsuccesful at present. I'm willing to make a sincere attempt, will look into more info about his period of birth in the next couple of days.. can you find the long and latt of his birth? Best wishes, Visti. - "Dhira Krsna BCS" <Dhira.Krsna.BCS <gjlist> Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:17 PM [GJ] DIVINE BIRTH > Dear Visti, > > Thanks for your letter. > > >How about Buddha? he was born a king and wanted the exact opposite.. > >Pravrayja Yoga. See the Avataras lives, and then the charts will begin > >unfolding. > > Do you have more charts of the Avataras? Besides Krsna and Chaitanya > Mahaprabhu, I don't have any other charts. > > >Hence exalted planet does not mean we have a divine incarnation on our > >hands. > > Yes, I remember there should be something like Devalokamsa in the chart. > How to calculate that? > > I'd like to ask also, what makes you think that an avatara is soon to > appear? Are there any references by sages or Vedic scriptures for an > avatara to appear at this time? > > I'm curious. > > Yours, > Dhira Krsna dasa > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2002 Report Share Posted June 26, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah --- Correction: 2 grahas in devaloka-amsa and causing Raja Yoga is the dictum. 1 is rare, but 2 is even more rare. Best wishes, Visti. - "Das Goravani" <> <gjlist> Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:43 AM Re: [GJ] DIVINE BIRTH > > > I have Jupiter in Devalokamsa in 9th/Sag. > > It is in a Raj Yoga. > > So when Parasara states the native must have two of these to be > considered a vishnu incarnation, he is saying something extremely rare. > > > I examine the varga distributions often for people, and good ones are rare. > > > To have the backing of so many vargas means all parts of life are > aligned in happiness with the natal placement of that planet/energy, > which shows an integral individual- integrity- honesty-truth. > > These are the qualities that flow from Devalokamsa because it shows that > harmony. There is no harmony without yoga, so if harmony is implied then > there is yoga. Two of these yogi like planets, also involved in Raj > Yogas themselves, would make an incarnation of Vishnu he is saying, and > this would be very rare. It could be calculated by software. > > However, real Raja Yogas are Lagna based, hence all Lagnas on all days > of the Moon's movement over time would have to be checked for the > presence of that yoga. Fair sized run. Would take a number of hours to > program and run. Could be done. > > > > > > -- > > > Das Goravani , President > > 2852 Willamette St, #353 > Eugene, Oregon, 97405 > USA > > Voice: > > or > > <> > > > Home of "Goravani Jyotish" > > Vedic Astrology Software , and more... > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2002 Report Share Posted June 26, 2002 I have Jupiter in Devalokamsa in 9th/Sag. It is in a Raj Yoga. So when Parasara states the native must have two of these to be considered a vishnu incarnation, he is saying something extremely rare. I examine the varga distributions often for people, and good ones are rare. To have the backing of so many vargas means all parts of life are aligned in happiness with the natal placement of that planet/energy, which shows an integral individual- integrity- honesty-truth. These are the qualities that flow from Devalokamsa because it shows that harmony. There is no harmony without yoga, so if harmony is implied then there is yoga. Two of these yogi like planets, also involved in Raj Yogas themselves, would make an incarnation of Vishnu he is saying, and this would be very rare. It could be calculated by software. However, real Raja Yogas are Lagna based, hence all Lagnas on all days of the Moon's movement over time would have to be checked for the presence of that yoga. Fair sized run. Would take a number of hours to program and run. Could be done. -- Das Goravani , President 2852 Willamette St, #353 Eugene, Oregon, 97405 USA Voice: or <> Home of "Goravani Jyotish" Vedic Astrology Software , and more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2002 Report Share Posted June 27, 2002 Dear Dhira krsna dasa, If you have the chart of jesus,I would like to see it. vivek. On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 Dhira Krsna BCS wrote : >Dear Visti, > > >But surely an avatara of Vishnu is yet to come. > >Best wishes, Visti. > >What about April 2003? Almost all planets get exalted at that >time... >Looks very similar to the chart of Jesus I have. > >Yours, >Dhira Krsna dasa > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > _______ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.com/rediffin/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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