Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 I've heard of the "Trail of Tears" Any other Americans hear of that before? (this is sarcasm- uh, it's a well known fact, uh, it's a well known error in US (white man ruled) History) How many woman and children starved inbetween the two armies at Alesia? 150,000 is my estimate, but it could be as high as quarter million?, or as low as 5,000? Oh, you probably don't know that name, ok, and that was too long ago to care about, and since we don't know enough about it, we can't exhibit our egos much about it either, so we won't talk about it. But I can. Ha ha. On one side was people (Celts/Gauls/Whites/Europeans/Pagans) believing like Hindus, and in Divine Theocratic Monarchy/Anarchy like Hindus, in open valorous chivalry, multiplicity in marriage, vegetarianism, oral traidition for learning, astrology, ... and on the other side, Rome. The year. 52 BC. Rome won. The rest is HiStory, unfortunately. Right now the song says.... round and round and round and round and round (reincarnation it's referring to...can you believe that? A song by a modern Irish militant rock group?) St. Patrick and Shamrocks? What? Phhhhhh... Don't believe everything you read that limits others...for- the thought in the moment is real to the thinker But also, do not read only that which you believe for your moment is limited to your beliefs listen to mine, and your moment grows larger What we can think, is real in our moment, what the mind can conceive and believe it can achieve, usually (I see God, and) I see Dead People, and they (both a)re Everywhere But most of the dead bodies, like empty shells on the sea floor, have been taken up as home by a snail slug, which is running around thinking it's his now. Pull aside their shells, apply some salt, and see who is what. When we face what we're afraid of, we find out what we're made of. Ahhh, you call and I stand, I am not afraid, I will go with you, I will not falter, thought it may hurt, I will not stop, I have no other thought, for what is there, except the moment... You either are, or you are not. To be, or not to be. That is the only question. Thought is not. Being is. You can measure the waves of thinking. But at one point, the inner effect will be externally unmeasurable. There the creature lives or dies. Live. Be. Carpa Diam Cease the day Now Won WoW NoN ONE WON NON WON ONE OM HOME This I thought of, I don't know if it's all true...some of it is for sure, but I can't read Shakespears mind, could be a "Coincidence" that I'm just "noticing" lol a million fu ng kalas MacBeth- this means "Son of Beth". Beth is "Birth Tree". It's the first tree of the yearly Celtic Calendar. It grows where Oak dies. Oak is Jupiter. Birch is Saturn. This is a Celtic Fact. Birch is used for humble purposes. Although pretty, it is lean and hardy and humble. It is written upon. As soon as it was written upon, the Celts were dead. That is, they were oral. Writing represented the onslaught of Rome and Saul. So, "MacBeth", is Sahakespears way of referring to the downed Celtic Soldier, and all that goes wrong actually. The Son of the Saturnian one's. They cannot be polluted with Venus and the other things of Rome and other cultures, or they go down. This is really "Mac Beth". There must be hard and strong Saturnian values for this race, the Celts. Son of Birch, is very unfortunate and tragic indeed. In fact, this is true for all. When you "modernize and venusize", you become tragic and die. Do you see? The challenge is for those who have seen. Wielding a weapon requires the plan of wielding which is only in the mind of the one who has the ability to notice right from wrong being done with the courage to die for right with the strong hand to hold the thing with a strong hand, to hold the reed, the arrow, at 9 degrees of danu, on the ninth tithi, which is 3 times 3, to undo the wrong of 3 times 3, and 3 times 3 times 3, as has come another, the mother to touch and heal celi ceridwen few may know it doesn't matter it will be done so it doesn't matter Sun Moon Mars Merc Jup 5 two planets in 9 or 18 which is 9 these numbers divine unfold, and are time only god exists, that's why these persist they represent his number of lovers in them we live and all things hover Slice of knife, or blast of bomb so extreme, send us beyond like rays and matter, our bodies splatter so actually, they're not ours, we're not free so in the divine numbers, in the counts and spins, we live and die, and everything inbetween Those who know, very smart!, they may be angry at me now, :-( saying: no way!, how come?, why now? my answer i say is i don't know it's the pain i guess it makes you not really gives a bovine scatalia a knee greater distance this riddle i do hope is fully shown but only after i die and am gone otherwise too much downlooking it causes breaks the neck off the stinging reed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Of course we know of the Trail of Tears, but the question was not what it was but where the message came from. Celtic history is rich and of course we know that the Kels saved western civilization even after the onslaught of Rome. Did you know that Cromwell too women and children as slaves and sold them into the islands and from their mixture of Celtic culture with African there evolved Santaturia? now why don't we talk about the magic that comes from integration rather than merely the suffering? Would anyone be interested in discussion of the nagas and tha nahual? natabara are you out there? How do we get magical serpent beings that swim between the worlds in two cultures? How about St. PAtrick the druid? What do you all think: I think we are standing at the curve in evolution. We can fall into prejudices and sit on our self-righteousness or we can merge. Does that merging need to be by force as it has been in the past? Well, perhaps it does because even the most "spiritual" folks hold tightly to prejudice. OK I had a margarita with dinner and I'm babbling but I know that there are som really interesting minds out there and the magic of the nagas and the nahual is worth stumbling into their tricks. One thing certain about history. Every group has been a victim and every groups has been a victimizer. The trick is to make a rich stew out of the present rather than keep reburning the past. Have you ever tried to find a totally guilt-free culture? Even some of the most isolated tribes have dome some of the most heinous sacrifice. Many native American tribes killed scores of buffalo for sport after they got repeat fire rifles and don't forget that the cliff dwellers did so to protect their families from those who would kill the men and take the women and children as slaves. Does that rationalize the Trail of Tears....no. But one cannot be discussed without the context of fear. Does the Batan Death March or Pearl Harbor rationalize ethnic hatred, not in my book. But it is understandable from a personal level. I'm hitting send without rereading. Tomorrow is another day and I'm hoping for discussion on magic rather than tragic afterall both are part of daily life. c - "Das Goravani" <> <gjlist> Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:47 PM [GJ] Death, Memory, To Be, Or Not > > > > I've heard of the "Trail of Tears" > > Any other Americans hear of that before? > > (this is sarcasm- uh, it's a well known fact, > uh, it's a well known error in US (white man ruled) History) > > How many woman and children starved inbetween the two armies at Alesia? > > 150,000 is my estimate, but it could be as high as quarter million?, or > as low as 5,000? > > Oh, you probably don't know that name, ok, and that was too long ago to > care about, and since we don't know enough about it, we can't exhibit > our egos much about it either, so we won't talk about it. > > But I can. Ha ha. > > On one side was people (Celts/Gauls/Whites/Europeans/Pagans) believing > like Hindus, and in Divine Theocratic Monarchy/Anarchy like Hindus, in > open valorous chivalry, multiplicity in marriage, vegetarianism, oral > traidition for learning, astrology, ... > > and on the other side, > > Rome. > > > The year. 52 BC. Rome won. The rest is HiStory, unfortunately. > > Right now the song says.... > > round and round and round and round and round > > (reincarnation it's referring to...can you believe that? A song by a > modern Irish militant rock group?) > > St. Patrick and Shamrocks? What? Phhhhhh... > > Don't believe everything you read that limits others...for- > the thought in the moment is real to the thinker > > But also, do not read only that which you believe > for your moment is limited to your beliefs > > listen to mine, and your moment grows larger > > What we can think, is real in our moment, > > what the mind can conceive and believe it can achieve, usually > > > (I see God, and) I see Dead People, and they (both a)re Everywhere > > > But most of the dead bodies, like empty shells on the sea floor, have > been taken up as home by a snail slug, which is running around thinking > it's his now. > > Pull aside their shells, apply some salt, and see who is what. > > When we face what we're afraid of, we find out what we're made of. > > > > > > Ahhh, you call and I stand, I am not afraid, I will go with you, I will > not falter, thought it may hurt, I will not stop, I have no other > thought, for what is there, except the moment... > > > You either are, or you are not. > > > To be, or not to be. That is the only question. > > > Thought is not. Being is. > > > You can measure the waves of thinking. > > > But at one point, the inner effect will be externally unmeasurable. > > > There the creature lives or dies. > > > > Live. > > > > Be. > > > > Carpa Diam > > > > Cease the day > > > > Now > > > > > Won > > > > > WoW > > > > NoN > > > ONE > > > WON > > > NON > > WON > > ONE > > OM > > HOME > > > This I thought of, I don't know if it's all true...some of it is for > sure, but I can't read Shakespears mind, could be a "Coincidence" that > I'm just "noticing" lol a million fu ng kalas > > MacBeth- this means "Son of Beth". Beth is "Birth Tree". It's the first > tree of the yearly Celtic Calendar. It grows where Oak dies. Oak is > Jupiter. Birch is Saturn. This is a Celtic Fact. Birch is used for > humble purposes. Although pretty, it is lean and hardy and humble. It is > written upon. > > As soon as it was written upon, the Celts were dead. That is, they were > oral. Writing represented the onslaught of Rome and Saul. So, "MacBeth", > is Sahakespears way of referring to the downed Celtic Soldier, and all > that goes wrong actually. > > The Son of the Saturnian one's. They cannot be polluted with Venus and > the other things of Rome and other cultures, or they go down. This is > really "Mac Beth". There must be hard and strong Saturnian values for > this race, the Celts. Son of Birch, is very unfortunate and tragic > indeed. In fact, this is true for all. When you "modernize and > venusize", you become tragic and die. > > Do you see? > > The challenge is for those who have seen. > Wielding a weapon requires the plan of wielding > which is only in the mind of the one who has the ability > to notice right from wrong being done > with the courage to die for right > with the strong hand to hold the thing > > with a strong hand, to hold the reed, the arrow, at 9 degrees of danu, > on the ninth tithi, which is 3 times 3, to undo the wrong of > > 3 times 3, and 3 times 3 times 3, as has come another, the mother > > to touch and heal > > celi ceridwen > > few may know > > it doesn't matter > > it will be done > > so it doesn't matter > > > Sun > Moon > Mars > Merc > Jup 5 > > two planets in 9 or 18 which is 9 > > > these numbers divine unfold, and are time > only god exists, that's why these persist > they represent his number of lovers > in them we live and all things hover > > > Slice of knife, or blast of bomb > so extreme, send us beyond > > like rays and matter, our bodies splatter > so actually, they're not ours, we're not free > > so in the divine numbers, in the counts and spins, > we live and die, and everything inbetween > > > > > Those who know, very smart!, > they may be angry at me now, :-( > saying: no way!, how come?, why now? > > my answer i say > is i don't know > it's the pain i guess > it makes you > > > > > not really gives a bovine scatalia > > > > a knee greater distance > > > > this riddle i do hope > is fully shown > but only after > i die and am gone > > otherwise too much > downlooking it causes > breaks the neck off > the stinging reed > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted July 19, 2002 Report Share Posted July 19, 2002 Dear C. <<Would anyone be interested in discussion of the nagas and tha nahual? natabara are you out there? How do we get magical serpent beings that swim between the worlds in two cultures? I have just read your nice email, i will reply as soon as i get back this computer. My girl friend needs to write an essay for the Open university. Best wishes Natabara das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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