Celts and Carribeans

[Guest guest]

Okay Renee, I read the links...I can certainly agree that Santeria

came out of Yoruba tribal religion...And given that, and the fact it

really hasn't evolved much further in the last 200 years in

Africa--other than being over taken by Islam, mostly, I don't see

how these historians are having such a bloody hard time sorting

it out from Catholicism, really. This mish-mash is still going

on--in both African Islam and in African Catholic Christianity. it

works, anyway, for them. (I know this good stuff b/c the progenitor

of my second child is an art dealer here who specializes in West

African Art..He deals with, and we meet West Africans every

week.....I can also say this based on what I've read--and the

article you used--we're talking about --possibly two different

areas or more of the Islands..

 

First. not all of the Carribean islands were solely in the hands of

the Spanish--the French were there, as were the Brits and the

Dutch. I think the Dutch were there..I should qualify that one.

 

And given that--I still say, I've seen the article--maybe the same

one Cynthia has seen--stating the historical reports of Gaelic

speaking black slaves on Brit controlled islands--there's the

difference--I'm clueless on the mixing of pagan/folk Irish ways

and Yoroba customs. By the time this was going on--the

dominant culture of the Irish was irish Catholic...but then, there

was for example, the Sheila-Na-Gig--who was originally pagan

thrown into to cornices of churches and now just called "The

Whore" but still fondled for good luck. My point here is, there

were still pagan ways cloaked in the Irish too--but, yeah, these

are not the Santeria ways, either...and true enough--as I think you

said--the dominant religion of the island slaves was Santeria/

Voodoun.

 

Animal sacrifice--yeah, we hear that in Miami, from the Miami

natives, BTW, that black dogs and cats in the city stand a good

chance of being "liberated" out of their yards and pens around

Halloween by the Santerians....Kali takes animal sacrifice. Rahu

does too. The Iroquois have a custom (not always still practiced)

of on the new year of strangling and hanging white dogs from a

pole for good luck in the coming year--there would go mine if I

lived in the NE, perhaps.. <sigh> some of my ancestors went

straight to human sacrifice, from the looks of it.

[Guest guest]

And given that--I still say, I've seen the article--maybe the same one Cynthia

has seen--stating the historical reports of Gaelic speaking black slaves on

Brit controlled islands--there's the difference--I'm clueless on the mixing of

pagan/folk Irish ways and Yoroba customs. By the time this was going on--the

dominant culture of the Irish was irish Catholic...but then, there was for

example, the Sheila-Na-Gig--who was originally pagan thrown into to cornices of

churches and now just called "The Whore" but still fondled for good luck. My

point here is, there were still pagan ways cloaked in the Irish too--but, yeah,

these are not the Santeria ways, either...and true enough--as I think you

said--the dominant religion of the island slaves was Santeria/ Voodoun.

I would sure like to read where and how the Gaelic influence started up from a

reliable resource. I know history is clouded and many things are hidden from

us that we should know but honestly I have never read about the Gaelic

influence in regards to this particular faith much less that it is the root of

Santeria. However I do realize that not just the Spanish did their rampaging

and terrorizing of the African's and elsewhere at that time. I asked further

in realtime from all the sources I know on the East Coast and no one has heard

of this not that they are experts or anything.

Renee