The Dating Game

[Guest guest]

Would you care to elaborate on this rather bold assertion and/or offer something

constructive rather than pointed criticism?

Why would you think that this simpistic message would help?

Please amend.

Sincerely,

Jesse Abbot

In a message dated 8/10/2002 12:32:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, snk110 (AT) (DOT) co.uk writes:

HARE RAMA KRISHNA

OM GURAVE NAMAH

Namaste Shri Goravaniji,

After reading your personal emails on the list, i feel that the root cause

of the current happenings in your life is inattentive chanting and chanting

without full surrender.

Regards

Sriram N Kizhakkemadam

[Guest guest]

Thank you for taking the time to respond. You must understand that my

sensibilities are essentially tantric, so I am likely to disagree both with a)

a monolithic panacea (as tantra is a truly holistic worldview that looks to

numerous potential causes and a buffet of customized solutions); and b) your

own (albeit traditional) calumny against feminine energy, shakti and Mother

Durga, Kundalini, Tara (and all her names). As the Aghori Vimalananda points

out, it is She who sustains the phenomenal world in the relative scheme of

things. [see Jyotishi Robert E. Svoboda's books for more precise quotes] As my

training is Buddhist, I'm not locked into the specific Hindu genderization, but

it's a language I can speak.

Maya as maya is maya (Forrest Gump says, "Stupid Is as Stupid Does"), but Maya

engaged passionately is a gateway to all mysteries. Denigrating "her" is the

rotting leftover crime of a defunct era, and is precisely the cultural cause

for the abuse of women, devastation of the earth, neurotic or worse religious

sectarianism and many other capital problems because of which we all have to

suffer. So I find certain of your pronouncements a bit problematic -- we will

likely have to agree to disagree for the time being.

So here this nonsectarian tantrika with Buddhist schooling dissents. Likely you

may see me as a mangy dog who has entered a fine vegetarian Indian feast

clutching his well-chewed bone. I remain your servant as well (those of us

orbiting the Indic planet are inclined to relate in this way); however, some of

your chores I will not perform, because I am off in the corner courting and

wooing the Muse. My heart is delightfully broken out of longing for her.

Very sincerely,

Jesse Abbot

Karma Lodrö Rinchen

In a message dated 8/10/2002 1:47:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, snk110 (AT) (DOT) co.uk writes:

Durga mata who will give the native more opportunities to be bound within the

material world ( as she is the jail warden of this prison or durg of material

world).

[Guest guest]

Hey everyone, want a good laugh? Here's what it's like for

me to date you know. This is a response I got from my

personal ad on . This one little paragraph that is. My

response to her follows. It flowed, don't worry, I spend no

time writing like this, it's easy.

 

 

>Soory but you lost me after the sex and in bed stuff.

I am all for great sex but want a friendship 1st then

sex and love. Good luck in your lust hunt. Kim

 

 

My response:

 

 

 

Because I mention these facts of life, and my nature, in my

ad, is bad, you seem to say. I do it to be honest and open,

so that your time is not wasted away. If you look for a

spouse, a man, a rock, one who is honest, to whom you can

talk, who write's poetry, just as if he's speaking, than

that is the mind whom above you tried tweaking.

 

Kim was the name of my first wife, I've only had one, in

this whole life, she too was blondish, and about your age,

that karma repeats on me doesn't cause rage.

 

I can tell you that friendship is easy for me, for I love

like Christ taught us, it comes easily, in fact, I like

people so much you see, that in my presence they can feel

uneasy.

 

And so it is, that I am alone, successful and handsome and

working at home, wishing and hoping, that someday somehow, I

find me a lass who'll stay like my cow. And I'll be her

bull, on whom she depends, to ward off the blues, against

enemies defend.

 

My kimmie dear, you may not like me, but I want you to know,

that I find you quite striking, and if you want a peaceful

date, with someone of no pretention, educated and great,

then you can come over, or I to your place, for I am to be

trusted, I'm known everyplace.

 

For just because I mention the bed, you seem to reject me or

that's what you said, maybe it's rather because I have

beard, or men like me, you think we're just weird

 

In fact I was to be a priest, but to India I turned, or to

the East, I learned so much, and brought it back, now books

I write and software hack.

 

I have no friends, nobody knows me at all, but in the world

of astrology I stand really tall, and Hindu leaders know me

most, Deepak Chopra for example to boast. I'm known by

those who are deeply entwined is discovering truths, not

wining and dine, for I am a scientist known worldwide, for

research into soul and karma divine.

 

This letter I've written with no pause or gap, for I truly

am the man with the hat, of the brain, the genious, the

poet, polymath, Davinci, Nostradamus, Galileo, like that.

 

I really am harmless, a huggable bear, a Christlike persona,

with Charisma and flair. But rejected I am for just being

me, it's real and honest, but so unusually.

 

I'm sitting alone, I have no friends, I'm in great pain,

wishing it to end. I really am the person I say, I would

really love to meet you today. We could be friends, of yes

indeed, you don't need to screw me for me to be freed. I

really just want someone of me care, to care about me, and

for them I will care.

 

I am really smart, of this there's no doubt, I know music,

philosophy, religion I spout. The Bible, the Koran, the Gita

and more, I've read all the books from the whole world

galore. I've been around the world four times, in search of

God and life Divine, I program computers, do video and art,

but my emotions without friends are just falling apart.

 

If you go to my website you'll see the reviews, the letters

of thousands who love me profuse, but my work they know not

me personally, who sits here crying, alone in Eugene.

 

I'm a superior man, of great spirit free, a lover of Christ,

all God's company, a lover of love, of serving God's will,

I'm always teaching, to spirit instill. I'm worthy, I'm

good, successful but prone, because of no wife, to complain

and to moan. I admit this I say, because I'm not shy, nor do

I try, to mislead you through lie. I want to be touched,

loved as I am, by a woman who is sweet, who loves me, her man.

 

Thanks, have a nice day, feel free to call me and tell me

what a lusty fool I am again, no not really, you're a part

of the pain so far. Feel like changing that? Do you really

think that you're better than me because you want to be

friends first? Of course I do too. That's so basic. Wow.

 

Peace

 

Das Goravani

[Guest guest]

Dear Das,

Many of us hurt to know you are hurting, you know that. Not all want to

write this out on a world wide list devoted to Jyotish, but many, many of us

send you our heartfelt wishes for gaining what you need to make yourself

healthy, happy and productive again.

There was a time in my life when I had nothing to lose by believing in

God, so I actively began to suspend my disbelief in God, and replaced it with

a personal test.... of having faith that there is a God.

Okay, so I wanted to know why was my life such a mess, God? (What a dumb

question, He might have thought, and I realized it was a really unproductive

question. Who cares why it's a mess? If I stand around wondering why the

room is a mess, trying to find answers, it doesn't help anything!

Next, I had read that God loves birds and flowers and provides food for

the birds even though they do no sowing, and beautiful garments for the

flowers even thought they do no work. And even more than the birds and

flowers, God loves His children, all of us brothers and sisters on the earth.

Because we are so dearly loved, it is impossible for God to refuse us our

requests when we ask Him for something that is good, that is part of His

Divine scheme of creation.

Okay, that sounds easy enough! God, give me fabulous wealth, happiness,

and good health! Thanks!

I overlooked something. There's a requirement God has for His children.

That they love each other, and in so doing for one another, those gifts of

love are another expression of a living God...which means...by being loving

to one another, we promote godliness, express goodness that manifests and

strengthens our closeness to God and all of His creation. So I'd have to find

a way to not only ask God to meet my needs, but I'd also need to show love to

His Creation, whether plant, animal, or human, etc., thereby magnifying God's

love in the world and pleasing my Creator at the same time. Then I could feel

more worthy of receiving what I'd requested from God, too.

So I started off by asking God, "What can I do that would be a service

to Thee? Please let me know what You would have me do for others, that would

make You pleased, that would be in keeping with my path that you have set

before me, that would not be harmful to me or my life with my children, but

would be a blessing to someone in need."

I remained alert to hints that came to me. Daily, I looked for a chance

to help others in small ways. Just like drops of water or grains of sand,

little by little these helpful things could add up.

Yes, the result was that I grew in understanding the reciprocal nature

of living under God, our needs were met, and even beyond, in abundance, and

many people were helped, including me, by the grace of my maker.

I ask God for His help now, to define what He would like you and me to

do for Him as part of His vast creation, in bringing goodness to the world

today and tomorrow and all of the tomorrows.

When we receive our daily hints of what is good to do for God's sake,

let us act upon them immediately. Then we will know our requests are being

relayed throughout the earth, and heaven itself will move to bring them into

fruition. The last requirement, faith that our requests are heard and being

acted upon, is best demonstrated by a heartfelt "Thank You, God, for hearing

my request and getting it on the way to becoming manifest in my life!"

Cayce said, "Mind is the builder. Thoughts are things."

If I ponder repeatedly about the lack of something in my life, does

that enforce it's existence, such as telling myself my room is messy, I don't

have a car, nobody loves me, does that help it stay that way? It doesn't

bring about a clean room! Pondering lack of something or someone does not

bring abundance but reinforces the static or negative situation.

So how do you bring about the end to static perceptions?

 

Love,

Carol

[Guest guest]

HARE RAMA KRISHNA

OM GURAVE NAMAH

 

Namaste Shri Goravaniji,

After reading your personal emails on the list, i feel that the

root cause of the current happenings in your life is inattentive

chanting and chanting without full surrender.

 

Regards

Sriram N Kizhakkemadam

 

 

gjlist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote:

>

> Hey everyone, want a good laugh? Here's what it's like for

> me to date you know. This is a response I got from my

> personal ad on . This one little paragraph that is. My

> response to her follows. It flowed, don't worry, I spend no

> time writing like this, it's easy.

>

>

> >Soory but you lost me after the sex and in bed stuff.

> I am all for great sex but want a friendship 1st then

> sex and love. Good luck in your lust hunt. Kim

>

>

> My response:

>

>

>

> Because I mention these facts of life, and my nature, in my

> ad, is bad, you seem to say. I do it to be honest and open,

> so that your time is not wasted away. If you look for a

> spouse, a man, a rock, one who is honest, to whom you can

> talk, who write's poetry, just as if he's speaking, than

> that is the mind whom above you tried tweaking.

>

> Kim was the name of my first wife, I've only had one, in

> this whole life, she too was blondish, and about your age,

> that karma repeats on me doesn't cause rage.

>

> I can tell you that friendship is easy for me, for I love

> like Christ taught us, it comes easily, in fact, I like

> people so much you see, that in my presence they can feel

> uneasy.

>

> And so it is, that I am alone, successful and handsome and

> working at home, wishing and hoping, that someday somehow, I

> find me a lass who'll stay like my cow. And I'll be her

> bull, on whom she depends, to ward off the blues, against

> enemies defend.

>

> My kimmie dear, you may not like me, but I want you to know,

> that I find you quite striking, and if you want a peaceful

> date, with someone of no pretention, educated and great,

> then you can come over, or I to your place, for I am to be

> trusted, I'm known everyplace.

>

> For just because I mention the bed, you seem to reject me or

> that's what you said, maybe it's rather because I have

> beard, or men like me, you think we're just weird

>

> In fact I was to be a priest, but to India I turned, or to

> the East, I learned so much, and brought it back, now books

> I write and software hack.

>

> I have no friends, nobody knows me at all, but in the world

> of astrology I stand really tall, and Hindu leaders know me

> most, Deepak Chopra for example to boast. I'm known by

> those who are deeply entwined is discovering truths, not

> wining and dine, for I am a scientist known worldwide, for

> research into soul and karma divine.

>

> This letter I've written with no pause or gap, for I truly

> am the man with the hat, of the brain, the genious, the

> poet, polymath, Davinci, Nostradamus, Galileo, like that.

>

> I really am harmless, a huggable bear, a Christlike persona,

> with Charisma and flair. But rejected I am for just being

> me, it's real and honest, but so unusually.

>

> I'm sitting alone, I have no friends, I'm in great pain,

> wishing it to end. I really am the person I say, I would

> really love to meet you today. We could be friends, of yes

> indeed, you don't need to screw me for me to be freed. I

> really just want someone of me care, to care about me, and

> for them I will care.

>

> I am really smart, of this there's no doubt, I know music,

> philosophy, religion I spout. The Bible, the Koran, the Gita

> and more, I've read all the books from the whole world

> galore. I've been around the world four times, in search of

> God and life Divine, I program computers, do video and art,

> but my emotions without friends are just falling apart.

>

> If you go to my website you'll see the reviews, the letters

> of thousands who love me profuse, but my work they know not

> me personally, who sits here crying, alone in Eugene.

>

> I'm a superior man, of great spirit free, a lover of Christ,

> all God's company, a lover of love, of serving God's will,

> I'm always teaching, to spirit instill. I'm worthy, I'm

> good, successful but prone, because of no wife, to complain

> and to moan. I admit this I say, because I'm not shy, nor do

> I try, to mislead you through lie. I want to be touched,

> loved as I am, by a woman who is sweet, who loves me, her man.

>

> Thanks, have a nice day, feel free to call me and tell me

> what a lusty fool I am again, no not really, you're a part

> of the pain so far. Feel like changing that? Do you really

> think that you're better than me because you want to be

> friends first? Of course I do too. That's so basic. Wow.

>

> Peace

>

> Das Goravani

[Guest guest]

HARE RAMA KRISHNA

OM GURAVE NAMAH

 

dear Abbotji,

My mail was not a criticism. It had the solution in it too.

Shri Goravani Das was known to be associated with the Hare Krishna

movement which entails its participants to chant the hare krishna

maha mantra. There are 10 offences which have to be avoided , one of

which is inattentive chanting. In the book hari nama chintamani, it

is said that one has to chant in a mood of humility and pray to the

energy of the lord to put him in the service of the all beautiful

supreme lord who is the source of bliss to the living entities. it is

also said that if one continues to chant without proper attention on

the holy name, then it leads to cultivation of material desires in

the mind of the person and this leads to further misery. if a person

chants the mantra desiring material opulence, he will get that

too.... but that's like going to the seashore to taste the seawater

and tasting the sand instead. all this and more is explained in

detail ( in a scientific manner ) by shri Isana Goura das in his

book " The rising sun of the holy name" (more info on

www.isekc.com).The word hare has 2 aspects - as the spiritual energy,

she is Srimati Radharani and as the protector of material energy ,

she is Durga. Radharani is always at the service of Krishna. If one

avoids association with Krishna by being inattentive to the holy

names of Krishna, then calling hare will activate Durga mata who will

give the native more opportunities to be bound within the material

world ( as she is the jail warden of this prison or durg of material

world).From Shri das' emails, i had the impression that his intellect

is covered by material desires and this lead to yearning for

association with material elements.

 

When i had said "i feel that the root cause of the current happenings

in your life is inattentive chanting and chanting without full

surrender.", the solution is simply the opposite of the cause, "chant

with attention and full surrender and obedience to Guru and gauranga".

this requires faith in the holy name and guru. Chaitanya mahaprabhu's

mercy is especially required and worship of Pancha tattva will help

in the process. If a person is having trouble with chanting with

attention, i would again refer the person to the book mentioned above.

 

 

Please correct my understanding if i am wrong

 

Your servant

 

K.N.Sriram

 

gjlist, Jiabbot@c... wrote:

> Dear Sir,

>

> Would you care to elaborate on this rather bold assertion and/or

offer

> something constructive rather than pointed criticism?

>

> Why would you think that this simpistic message would help?

>

> Please amend.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Jesse Abbot

>

>

> In a message dated 8/10/2002 12:32:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> snk110 writes:

>

>

> >

> > HARE RAMA KRISHNA

> > OM GURAVE NAMAH

> >

> > Namaste Shri Goravaniji,

> > After reading your personal emails on the list, i feel that

the

> > root cause of the current happenings in your life is inattentive

> > chanting and chanting without full surrender.

> >

> > Regards

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Jesse ~

You have asked Sriram N

Kizhakkemadam to elaborate on what you called a "bold

assertion" with regard to his post to Das Goravani; however I

think it was very constructive feedback.

Quite simply, when we habitually chant the Holy Name of God rather than

indulge our infinite and mundane thought patterns, we cannot help but

heal energetically and enter into the Peace that passes

Understanding.

By habitually chanting God's Name - it is quite impossible to fail to

achieve this peace, no matter who we are, in time, place and

circumstance. Whatever the questions - whatever the problems - the answer

- the solution - is always the same.

Our thought habits are powerful influencers of our experience and destiny

(future chart), '... for as a man thinks within himself, so

is he, ' the Book of Proverbs tells us. Another observation from a very

different tradition has it that 'If the mind becomes impure, for sure,

our deeds will be impure.' Our thoughts are the drivers of our

behavior and experience. Our thoughts are in continuous motion. The more

we dwell on a subject, the more real it becomes to us and eventually it

leads us to action. This is the basis of all training, learning by rote,

conditioning, brainwashing and indoctrination - to fill your mind is to

fill your life. No shortcuts.

We need to notice what thought patterns we have cultivated. Our thoughts

are either positive or negative in any given moment. It is impossible for

our mind to be positive and negative in the same moment. The

point of power is always in the present moment. Once we've chosen the

quality of our thought the effect is that our mind is a fun place to be

or a virtual hell realm, full of fear, regret, anger and guilt, with

everything in between. From Mother Theresa to Hitler .. it's

all inside us to be.

Mantra is the spiritual soap; the vibrational cure to every form

of dis-ease, without exception. To the degree that we chant japa is

to the degree that we experience Solution or Source which

is away from our pains. No shortcuts.

I know that disparity abounds in our

world. We are a long way from achieving universal equality of

opportunity, yet there are some aspects of life that we all share

equally; time is one of those. No matter who we are or where

we live or the degree of our personal advantages or disadvantages, we

all have twenty-four hours in each day. What we think and feel

and do in those 24 hours makes all the difference in the quality of our

experience.

The beauty and benefits of chanting the Holy Name are (so) many:

1. Anyone can do it and no one is excluded. Health, age, gender,

religion, race or intelligence do not influence our capacity to practice

japa.

2. We each already have all that is needed or access to all that is

needed to begin immediately.

3. We can chant the Holy Name of God anywhere and at anytime.

4. We can do it alone or in groups.

5. Fulfilment and satisfaction are guaranteed.

6. Every practitioner is a winner. It is impossible to lose anything when

we chant.

7. There are no time limits.

8. We can go fast or we can go slow. Silent or aloud.

The only thing that separates us from Guruji is the allotment of time in

devotion.

Happiness is not what we think .... It's something we feel. Success

is not what we think .... it's how we think and Enlightment is not what

we think ... it's what we don't think.

IN God & Guruji ~

Chandra Devi

~

 

At 10:14 AM 8/10/02, you wrote:

Dear Sir,

Would you care to elaborate on this rather bold assertion and/or offer

something constructive rather than pointed criticism?

Why would you think that this simplistic message would help?

Please amend.

Sincerely,

Jesse Abbot

In a message dated 8/10/2002 12:32:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

snk110 (AT) (DOT) co.uk writes:

HARE RAMA KRISHNA

OM GURAVE NAMAH

Namaste Shri Goravaniji,

After reading your personal emails on the list,

i feel that the

root cause of the current happenings in your life is inattentive

chanting and chanting without full surrender.

Regards

Sriram N Kizhakkemadam

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

: gjlist-

 

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