Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 >God, however, does not fail.... Read Genisis. It seems he lies about how long people have to live, so brushing up on Longevity predictions may be in order for Yahweh. He predicted one day more of life for Adam, and Eve for that matter, and was "dead" wrong, he he. Which God to believe? And also, if they were the first people, then how come there were woman to marry outside Eden? So it's like, kindof confusing, but I hope to one day... It seems the serpent didn't lie, cuzz he said they wouldn't die. So I'm going with the TRUTH TELLING SERPENT for now. Any input welcome. (ps: This is humor you Virgo!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 Guess the name of Cain's wife? ---------- >Das Goravani <> >gjlist >[GJ] God, however, does not fail.... >Thu, Aug 22, 2002, 12:42 PM > > > >God, however, does not fail.... > > Read Genisis. It seems he lies about how long people have to > live, so brushing up on Longevity predictions may be in > order for Yahweh. He predicted one day more of life for > Adam, and Eve for that matter, and was "dead" wrong, he he. > > Which God to believe? And also, if they were the first > people, then how come there were woman to marry outside > Eden? So it's like, kindof confusing, but I hope to one day... > > It seems the serpent didn't lie, cuzz he said they wouldn't > die. So I'm going with the > > TRUTH TELLING SERPENT > > for now. > > Any input welcome. > > (ps: This is humor you Virgo!) > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2002 Report Share Posted August 25, 2002 Guess the name of Cain's wife? Can't guess, so please go ahead and tell us (bet it's a funny joke!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2002 Report Share Posted August 26, 2002 Hi Carol, A lot stories in the bible are allegorical mythological especially in the earlier section like Lot's wife turning into pillar of salt. They are not factual. There are no mention of any other children after Cain and Abel. So, as far as i can deduce according to the text, Cain had to mate with Eve. Then we are all product of incest. Then it goes "sons of God mated with daughters of men". Where do they come fom? If you ask these questions reasonably and logically, bible stories are incongruent. They are just stories. Even creation of Adam and Eve have two versions in the first two pages of Genesis. And what was God doing all that time before "In the beginning"? There had to be something before something can begin. Then it is regression infinitum. There is no creation. It is emanation of existence. And if you come to to signboard that says this is the end of the world, what is there beyond the signboard? So existence has no beginning and no end. We are always in the middle. Hari Om haridas ---------- Carolhook (AT) aol (DOT) com gjlist Re: [GJ] God, however, does not fail.... Sun, Aug 25, 2002, 7:06 PM In a message dated 8/22/2002 1:57:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, siva1008 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net writes: Guess the name of Cain's wife? Can't guess, so please go ahead and tell us (bet it's a funny joke!) Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2002 Report Share Posted August 26, 2002 Lilith as I remember. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********On 8/25/02 at 7:06 PM Carolhook (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: In a message dated 8/22/2002 1:57:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, siva1008 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net writes: Guess the name of Cain's wife?Can't guess, so please go ahead and tell us (bet it's a funny joke!)Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Strange but stupid: "One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs" (Weren't Roman C programs always 500 lines long?) John F (Jack) Melka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2002 Report Share Posted August 26, 2002 Hi John, I've heard Lilith was second Eve if i recall. But i do not know where she is in the bible. Haridas ---------- "John Melka" <johnm (AT) monster-academy (DOT) org> gjlist Re: [GJ] God, however, does not fail.... Mon, Aug 26, 2002, 4:14 PM Lilith as I remember. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 8/25/02 at 7:06 PM Carolhook (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: In a message dated 8/22/2002 1:57:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, siva1008 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net writes: Guess the name of Cain's wife? Can't guess, so please go ahead and tell us (bet it's a funny joke!) Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Terms of Service <> . Strange but stupid: "One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs" (Weren't Roman C programs always 500 lines long?) John F (Jack) Melka Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2002 Report Share Posted August 26, 2002 I vaguely recall hearing Lilith was the second Eve in the second version of creation of Adam and Eve, where she is made out of Adam's rib. In the first version God creates both of them at the same time out of mud. They are both together in the first two pages of Genesis. Haridas ---------- "Gee Sunn" <siva1008 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> gjlist Re: [GJ] God, however, does not fail.... Mon, Aug 26, 2002, 4:50 PM Hi John, I've heard Lilith was second Eve if i recall. But i do not know where she is in the bible. Haridas ---------- "John Melka" <johnm (AT) monster-academy (DOT) org> gjlist Re: [GJ] God, however, does not fail.... Mon, Aug 26, 2002, 4:14 PM Lilith as I remember. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 8/25/02 at 7:06 PM Carolhook (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: In a message dated 8/22/2002 1:57:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, siva1008 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net writes: Guess the name of Cain's wife? Can't guess, so please go ahead and tell us (bet it's a funny joke!) Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Terms of Service <> . Strange but stupid: "One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs" (Weren't Roman C programs always 500 lines long?) John F (Jack) Melka Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Terms of Service <> . Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2002 Report Share Posted August 26, 2002 Dear Hari Om, I do not know all the answers, just a few that work for me. You might enjoy reading Edgar Cayce's book about the Old Testament of the Bible, in which he puts forth some interesting statements, including an historical basis for some of your questions. Those concepts may or may not be helpful to you, as we cannot verify them. Each of us has to find out for self what is the best resolution to these questions and many others. So I hope you will keep wondering about these things, just in case it's proved that, like the fabled city of Troy, there was a pillar of salt after all.... Love, Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2002 Report Share Posted August 26, 2002 In a message dated Mon, 26 Aug 2002 3:14:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, johnm writes: > Lilith as I remember. > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 8/25/02 at 7:06 PM Carolhook wrote: > In a message dated 8/22/2002 1:57:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, siva1008 writes: > > > Guess the name of Cain's wife? > .......How about 'Sugar'??? :-D (sorry, couldn't resist!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2002 Report Share Posted August 26, 2002 Yes Carol, there are pillars of salt around dead sea area. My feeling is that the story of Lot of was made up to teach moral lessons when someone looked at these pillars resembling a human figure. These are after the fact stories. And also incest takes place in that story. Haridas ---------- >Carolhook >gjlist >Re: [GJ] God, however, does not fail.... >Mon, Aug 26, 2002, 5:24 PM > > Dear Hari Om, > I do not know all the answers, just a few that work for me. You might > enjoy reading Edgar Cayce's book about the Old Testament of the Bible, in > which he puts forth some interesting statements, including an historical > basis for some of your questions. Those concepts may or may not be helpful > to you, as we cannot verify them. > Each of us has to find out for self what is the best resolution to > these questions and many others. So I hope you will keep wondering about > these things, just in case it's proved that, like the fabled city of Troy, > there was a pillar of salt after all.... > Love, Carol > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2002 Report Share Posted August 26, 2002 Dear Carol, I think i need to clarify a little bit because i think you are misunderstanding. My questions are not really me asking questions but mode of provocations to people to see the absurdities of their beliefs and contradictions in their thought processes. Love, Haridas ---------- >Carolhook >gjlist >Re: [GJ] God, however, does not fail.... >Mon, Aug 26, 2002, 5:24 PM > > Dear Hari Om, > I do not know all the answers, just a few that work for me. You might > enjoy reading Edgar Cayce's book about the Old Testament of the Bible, in > which he puts forth some interesting statements, including an historical > basis for some of your questions. Those concepts may or may not be helpful > to you, as we cannot verify them. > Each of us has to find out for self what is the best resolution to > these questions and many others. So I hope you will keep wondering about > these things, just in case it's proved that, like the fabled city of Troy, > there was a pillar of salt after all.... > Love, Carol > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2002 Report Share Posted August 27, 2002 The way I understand Lillith, she was the first woman. She refused to lie beneath Adam so god cast her out. God then made Eve from Adam's rib so she would be more compatible and compliant. Lillith is a feisty goddess. I find the most detailed descriptions of nirriti rather like Lillith. BTW, did you know that Nirriti was originally a creation goddess? Kenneth Johnson once told me that. I emailed him when I was going crazy trying to find out info about her. The only think I could find was that she later became Kali, but not what her original energy was. The reason I'm interested in original is that religion often is adjusted over time to met the needs of the folks who would most gain from those changes. If my memory is correct, Lillity appears in the Jewish Genesis, Eve became part of Christianity. Do you know where the concept of original sin came from???? c - Gee Sunn gjlist Monday, August 26, 2002 4:22 PM Re: [GJ] God, however, does not fail.... I vaguely recall hearing Lilith was the second Evein the second version of creation of Adam and Eve,where she is made out of Adam's rib.In the first version God creates both of them at thesame time out of mud.They are both together in the first two pages of Genesis.Haridas----------"Gee Sunn" <siva1008 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>gjlistSubject: Re: [GJ] God, however, does not fail....Mon, Aug 26, 2002, 4:50 PM Hi John,I've heard Lilith was second Eve if i recall.But i do not know where she is in the bible.Haridas----------"John Melka" <johnm (AT) monster-academy (DOT) org>gjlistSubject: Re: [GJ] God, however, does not fail....Mon, Aug 26, 2002, 4:14 PM Lilith as I remember. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********On 8/25/02 at 7:06 PM Carolhook (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: In a message dated 8/22/2002 1:57:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, siva1008 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net writes: Guess the name of Cain's wife?Can't guess, so please go ahead and tell us (bet it's a funny joke!)Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Terms of Service <> . Strange but stupid: "One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs" (Weren't Roman C programs always 500 lines long?) John F (Jack) Melka Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Terms of Service <> . Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Terms of Service <> . Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2002 Report Share Posted August 27, 2002 Look under the legends and mythos of Sumer and Akkad. Nirrti was a creation godess of the ancient Sumerians. Also look up Enki. The are interesting figures. -- John*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********On 8/27/02 at 3:02 PM cynthia novak wrote: The way I understand Lillith, she was the first woman. She refused to lie beneath Adam so god cast her out. God then made Eve from Adam's rib so she would be more compatible and compliant. Lillith is a feisty goddess. I find the most detailed descriptions of nirriti rather like Lillith. BTW, did you know that Nirriti was originally a creation goddess? Kenneth Johnson once told me that. I emailed him when I was going crazy trying to find out info about her. The only think I could find was that she later became Kali, but not what her original energy was. The reason I'm interested in original is that religion often is adjusted over time to met the needs of the folks who would most gain from those changes. If my memory is correct, Lillity appears in the Jewish Genesis, Eve became part of Christianity. Do you know where the concept of original sin came from???? c - Gee Sunn gjlist Monday, August 26, 2002 4:22 PM Re: [GJ] God, however, does not fail.... I vaguely recall hearing Lilith was the second Evein the second version of creation of Adam and Eve,where she is made out of Adam's rib.In the first version God creates both of them at thesame time out of mud.They are both together in the first two pages of Genesis.Haridas----------"Gee Sunn" <siva1008 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>To: gjlistSubject: Re: [GJ] God, however, does not fail....Mon, Aug 26, 2002, 4:50 PM Hi John,I've heard Lilith was second Eve if i recall.But i do not know where she is in the bible.Haridas----------"John Melka" <johnm (AT) monster-academy (DOT) org>To: gjlistSubject: Re: [GJ] God, however, does not fail....Mon, Aug 26, 2002, 4:14 PM Lilith as I remember. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********On 8/25/02 at 7:06 PM Carolhook (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: In a message dated 8/22/2002 1:57:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, siva1008 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net writes: Guess the name of Cain's wife?Can't guess, so please go ahead and tell us (bet it's a funny joke!)Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Terms of Service <> .. Strange but stupid: "One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs" (Weren't Roman C programs always 500 lines long?) John F (Jack) Melka Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Terms of Service <> . Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Terms of Service <> . Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Strange but stupid: "One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs" (Weren't Roman C programs always 500 lines long?) John F (Jack) Melka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2002 Report Share Posted August 27, 2002 Do you know where the concept of original sin came from???? Cynthia, if I knew the answer to that question, wouldn't it give me away?!! Smiles, Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2002 Report Share Posted August 27, 2002 Thank You John! Any book suggestions? Any idea how she came to be a Hindu goddess? any information is most appreciated. c - John Melka gjlist Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:51 PM Re: [GJ] God, however, does not fail.... Look under the legends and mythos of Sumer and Akkad. Nirrti was a creation godess of the ancient Sumerians. Also look up Enki. The are interesting figures. -- John*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********On 8/27/02 at 3:02 PM cynthia novak wrote: The way I understand Lillith, she was the first woman. She refused to lie beneath Adam so god cast her out. God then made Eve from Adam's rib so she would be more compatible and compliant. Lillith is a feisty goddess. I find the most detailed descriptions of nirriti rather like Lillith. BTW, did you know that Nirriti was originally a creation goddess? Kenneth Johnson once told me that. I emailed him when I was going crazy trying to find out info about her. The only think I could find was that she later became Kali, but not what her original energy was. The reason I'm interested in original is that religion often is adjusted over time to met the needs of the folks who would most gain from those changes. If my memory is correct, Lillity appears in the Jewish Genesis, Eve became part of Christianity. Do you know where the concept of original sin came from???? c - Gee Sunn gjlist Monday, August 26, 2002 4:22 PM Re: [GJ] God, however, does not fail.... I vaguely recall hearing Lilith was the second Evein the second version of creation of Adam and Eve,where she is made out of Adam's rib.In the first version God creates both of them at thesame time out of mud.They are both together in the first two pages of Genesis.Haridas----------"Gee Sunn" <siva1008 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>gjlistSubject: Re: [GJ] God, however, does not fail....Mon, Aug 26, 2002, 4:50 PM Hi John,I've heard Lilith was second Eve if i recall.But i do not know where she is in the bible.Haridas----------"John Melka" <johnm (AT) monster-academy (DOT) org>gjlistSubject: Re: [GJ] God, however, does not fail....Mon, Aug 26, 2002, 4:14 PM Lilith as I remember. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********On 8/25/02 at 7:06 PM Carolhook (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: In a message dated 8/22/2002 1:57:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, siva1008 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net writes: Guess the name of Cain's wife?Can't guess, so please go ahead and tell us (bet it's a funny joke!)Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Terms of Service <> . Strange but stupid: "One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs" (Weren't Roman C programs always 500 lines long?) John F (Jack) Melka Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Terms of Service <> . Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Terms of Service <> . Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Strange but stupid: "One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs" (Weren't Roman C programs always 500 lines long?) John F (Jack) MelkaOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2002 Report Share Posted August 27, 2002 I'd web search it first, but be ready to get a lot of web sites dealing with Neal Stephenson's book "Snow Crash" (which is a delightful SciFi read btw) The other thing to search is "Nam Shub" [expect intersecting results]. Now the reason that she shows up in the Hindu celestials, is I think, that both civilizations come from the same roots. Also both were part of the Alexandrian empire at one time, and occupy a connection along the "Silk Road" that stretched from Petra in Israel to China and all points in between. Also, remember all of these locations were part of the Indo-European civilization which shared a common language. All of this would be a good search point. I would expect intersecting celestial beings with people that share root cultures (like Greeks and Romans, similar celestials, different names) Hope that helps, John*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********On 8/27/02 at 8:47 PM cynthia novak wrote: Thank You John! Any book suggestions? Any idea how she came to be a Hindu goddess? any information is most appreciated. c Strange but stupid: "One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs" (Weren't Roman C programs always 500 lines long?) John F (Jack) Melka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2002 Report Share Posted August 27, 2002 Oh, duh. Remember Sumer and Akkad were also called Babylonia. We know that there was significant commerce between Babylon and India, after all it was the Babylonian Astrology that provided a basis and a measurement system for the Indian Jyotish. Thus 12 houses at 30* / house, and so on. It would be usual for two such linked cultures to exchange the odd celestial. It was practiced quite often. Take the Greeks and the Romans, or the Romans and anyone they conquered. Thus common celestials (dieties) would not be uncommon. And who knows, the Babylonians may have borrowed her from the Indians. Hope that helps, Strange but stupid: "One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs" (Weren't Roman C programs always 500 lines long?) John F (Jack) Melka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2002 Report Share Posted August 28, 2002 It's s very clear - from the story of Adam and Eve... Best Regards, Martin Carolhook (AT) aol (DOT) com [Carolhook (AT) aol (DOT) com]Wednesday, August 28, 2002 12:45 AMTo: gjlistSubject: Re: [GJ] God, however, does not fail....In a message dated 8/27/2002 6:53:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnm (AT) monster-academy (DOT) org writes: Do you know where the concept of original sin came from????Cynthia, if I knew the answer to that question, wouldn't it give me away?!!Smiles,Carol Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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