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Just happened to notice that the old USA chart that I used for years with

good results: 7-4th 1776 2:15am, has Uranus on the Asc. I suspect that is

why this time was chosen as Uranus is the planet of revolution and afterall

it was the decision to revolt.

 

Anyway, the ASC for this chart is 17 TA, Rahu is currently there, the Dec.

eclipse is 18 SC and the fixed star of war Antares is currently at 16

Scorpio.

 

Anyone have any ideas? BTW, I used this USA chart when I predicted in print

and on my website that if there would be a terrorist attack on the US in

2001 it would be the week of 9-10-2001. Did not get the day right but still

pretty close.

 

Anyone else use this chart?

 

c

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Dear Cynthia

Why do you use 2 .15 AM ? I have seen this chart with a Libra ,Scorpio and

Sagittarius ascendents and have had others recommend Gemini .As a

non-American I am a bit confused .

Nicholas

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"cynthia novak" <cynthianovak

<gjlist>

Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:30 AM

[GJ] Re: The Dec. eclipse....again

 

 

> Just happened to notice that the old USA chart that I used for years with

> good results: 7-4th 1776 2:15am, has Uranus on the Asc. I suspect that is

> why this time was chosen as Uranus is the planet of revolution and

afterall

> it was the decision to revolt.

>

> Anyway, the ASC for this chart is 17 TA, Rahu is currently there, the Dec.

> eclipse is 18 SC and the fixed star of war Antares is currently at 16

> Scorpio.

>

> Anyone have any ideas? BTW, I used this USA chart when I predicted in

print

> and on my website that if there would be a terrorist attack on the US in

> 2001 it would be the week of 9-10-2001. Did not get the day right but

still

> pretty close.

>

> Anyone else use this chart?

>

> c

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

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Dear Nicholas

Well, that is the $1,000,000 question <grins>

Years ago an astrologer whose name I do not recall used the adjusted time of

2:15am. Since then there has been great controversy over that time,

including pretty clear information that this was not at all likely the time

that the Dec. of Independence was really signed.

 

Still, I did not know that at the time and had really good results using

that chart. Good enough to nail the 9-11th date and others. If you use

that one, which astrologers tend to agree really does fit the US's

personality, you see the Saturn transit of the 2nd and the slowed economy,

Uranus hitting the Moon on 9-11th and the Moon viewed as the people of a

nation as well as the planets on Rahu on 9-11 transiting the 2nd house of

economics.

 

Anyway, I've gone back to it. I believe that James Kelleher made a good

argument for another chart, but it just does not "feel" right. I've tried

the chart for the constitution. Anyway, this was all argued to exhaustion

on

www.Astrodatabank.com last year. The only think I can say is that this

chart has Uranus on the lagna and it is a revolution planet. I guess for me

this is as good a chart as any and better for my divination than most.

Grins.

 

Do you think there may be some mystical reason that the charts of countries

are so hard to discern?

 

c

 

 

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"Nicholas" <jyotish108

<gjlist>

Friday, September 27, 2002 4:16 AM

Re: [GJ] Re: The Dec. eclipse....again

 

 

> Dear Cynthia

> Why do you use 2 .15 AM ? I have seen this chart with a Libra ,Scorpio and

> Sagittarius ascendents and have had others recommend Gemini .As a

> non-American I am a bit confused .

> Nicholas

> -

> "cynthia novak" <cynthianovak

> <gjlist>

> Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:30 AM

> [GJ] Re: The Dec. eclipse....again

>

>

> > Just happened to notice that the old USA chart that I used for years

with

> > good results: 7-4th 1776 2:15am, has Uranus on the Asc. I suspect that

is

> > why this time was chosen as Uranus is the planet of revolution and

> afterall

> > it was the decision to revolt.

> >

> > Anyway, the ASC for this chart is 17 TA, Rahu is currently there, the

Dec.

> > eclipse is 18 SC and the fixed star of war Antares is currently at 16

> > Scorpio.

> >

> > Anyone have any ideas? BTW, I used this USA chart when I predicted in

> print

> > and on my website that if there would be a terrorist attack on the US in

> > 2001 it would be the week of 9-10-2001. Did not get the day right but

> still

> > pretty close.

> >

> > Anyone else use this chart?

> >

> > c

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

> >

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

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Dear Cynthia

Your predictions concerning September 11 was certainly outstanding .However

since the time you used is unlikely to be correct this raises the question

do astrolgers make correct predictions on wrong charts .B V Raman was

famous for this and he also used an incorrect ayanamsha .

The question concerning national charts is interesting because quite often

the creation of a state is not a unitary event .

Nations are also diverse .Texans are different from Californains who are in

turn different to New Yorkers .Trying to fit an American Psyche into a

single chart is thus more complex than fitting an individual's psyche to

his/her chart ..Also one part of a nation can prosper while another

struggles .

So for me trying to do a whole lot with a national chart is for the very

accomplished .

Kind regards

Nicholas

 

 

 

 

> Dear Nicholas

> Well, that is the $1,000,000 question <grins>

> Years ago an astrologer whose name I do not recall used the adjusted time

of

> 2:15am. Since then there has been great controversy over that time,

> including pretty clear information that this was not at all likely the

time

> that the Dec. of Independence was really signed.

>

> Still, I did not know that at the time and had really good results using

> that chart. Good enough to nail the 9-11th date and others. If you use

> that one, which astrologers tend to agree really does fit the US's

> personality, you see the Saturn transit of the 2nd and the slowed economy,

> Uranus hitting the Moon on 9-11th and the Moon viewed as the people of a

> nation as well as the planets on Rahu on 9-11 transiting the 2nd house of

> economics.

>

> Anyway, I've gone back to it. I believe that James Kelleher made a good

> argument for another chart, but it just does not "feel" right. I've tried

> the chart for the constitution. Anyway, this was all argued to exhaustion

> on

> www.Astrodatabank.com last year. The only think I can say is that this

> chart has Uranus on the lagna and it is a revolution planet. I guess for

me

> this is as good a chart as any and better for my divination than most.

> Grins.

>

> Do you think there may be some mystical reason that the charts of

countries

> are so hard to discern?

>

> c

>

>

> -

> "Nicholas" <jyotish108

> <gjlist>

> Friday, September 27, 2002 4:16 AM

> Re: [GJ] Re: The Dec. eclipse....again

>

>

> > Dear Cynthia

> > Why do you use 2 .15 AM ? I have seen this chart with a Libra ,Scorpio

and

> > Sagittarius ascendents and have had others recommend Gemini .As a

> > non-American I am a bit confused .

> > Nicholas

> > -

> > "cynthia novak" <cynthianovak

> > <gjlist>

> > Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:30 AM

> > [GJ] Re: The Dec. eclipse....again

> >

> >

> > > Just happened to notice that the old USA chart that I used for years

> with

> > > good results: 7-4th 1776 2:15am, has Uranus on the Asc. I suspect

that

> is

> > > why this time was chosen as Uranus is the planet of revolution and

> > afterall

> > > it was the decision to revolt.

> > >

> > > Anyway, the ASC for this chart is 17 TA, Rahu is currently there, the

> Dec.

> > > eclipse is 18 SC and the fixed star of war Antares is currently at 16

> > > Scorpio.

> > >

> > > Anyone have any ideas? BTW, I used this USA chart when I predicted in

> > print

> > > and on my website that if there would be a terrorist attack on the US

in

> > > 2001 it would be the week of 9-10-2001. Did not get the day right but

> > still

> > > pretty close.

> > >

> > > Anyone else use this chart?

> > >

> > > c

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > > : gjlist-

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your use of is subject to

>

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

> >

> >

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

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Dear Nicholas

I wish I knew the answer to that. It is difficult to know what is THE chart

of a nation. Sometimes I feel that astrology is best used for human

interaction and self evolution than prediction. I even suspect that there

is some sort of divine plan that keeps us from knowing too much too often.

 

c

 

-

"Nicholas" <jyotish108

<gjlist>

Saturday, September 28, 2002 4:20 PM

Re: [GJ] Re: The Dec. eclipse....again

 

 

> Dear Cynthia

> Your predictions concerning September 11 was certainly outstanding

..However

> since the time you used is unlikely to be correct this raises the

question

> do astrolgers make correct predictions on wrong charts .B V Raman was

> famous for this and he also used an incorrect ayanamsha .

> The question concerning national charts is interesting because quite often

> the creation of a state is not a unitary event .

> Nations are also diverse .Texans are different from Californains who are

in

> turn different to New Yorkers .Trying to fit an American Psyche into a

> single chart is thus more complex than fitting an individual's psyche to

> his/her chart ..Also one part of a nation can prosper while another

> struggles .

> So for me trying to do a whole lot with a national chart is for the very

> accomplished .

> Kind regards

> Nicholas

>

>

>

>

> > Dear Nicholas

> > Well, that is the $1,000,000 question <grins>

> > Years ago an astrologer whose name I do not recall used the adjusted

time

> of

> > 2:15am. Since then there has been great controversy over that time,

> > including pretty clear information that this was not at all likely the

> time

> > that the Dec. of Independence was really signed.

> >

> > Still, I did not know that at the time and had really good results using

> > that chart. Good enough to nail the 9-11th date and others. If you use

> > that one, which astrologers tend to agree really does fit the US's

> > personality, you see the Saturn transit of the 2nd and the slowed

economy,

> > Uranus hitting the Moon on 9-11th and the Moon viewed as the people of a

> > nation as well as the planets on Rahu on 9-11 transiting the 2nd house

of

> > economics.

> >

> > Anyway, I've gone back to it. I believe that James Kelleher made a good

> > argument for another chart, but it just does not "feel" right. I've

tried

> > the chart for the constitution. Anyway, this was all argued to

exhaustion

> > on

> > www.Astrodatabank.com last year. The only think I can say is that this

> > chart has Uranus on the lagna and it is a revolution planet. I guess

for

> me

> > this is as good a chart as any and better for my divination than most.

> > Grins.

> >

> > Do you think there may be some mystical reason that the charts of

> countries

> > are so hard to discern?

> >

> > c

> >

> >

> > -

> > "Nicholas" <jyotish108

> > <gjlist>

> > Friday, September 27, 2002 4:16 AM

> > Re: [GJ] Re: The Dec. eclipse....again

> >

> >

> > > Dear Cynthia

> > > Why do you use 2 .15 AM ? I have seen this chart with a Libra ,Scorpio

> and

> > > Sagittarius ascendents and have had others recommend Gemini .As a

> > > non-American I am a bit confused .

> > > Nicholas

> > > -

> > > "cynthia novak" <cynthianovak

> > > <gjlist>

> > > Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:30 AM

> > > [GJ] Re: The Dec. eclipse....again

> > >

> > >

> > > > Just happened to notice that the old USA chart that I used for years

> > with

> > > > good results: 7-4th 1776 2:15am, has Uranus on the Asc. I suspect

> that

> > is

> > > > why this time was chosen as Uranus is the planet of revolution and

> > > afterall

> > > > it was the decision to revolt.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, the ASC for this chart is 17 TA, Rahu is currently there,

the

> > Dec.

> > > > eclipse is 18 SC and the fixed star of war Antares is currently at

16

> > > > Scorpio.

> > > >

> > > > Anyone have any ideas? BTW, I used this USA chart when I predicted

in

> > > print

> > > > and on my website that if there would be a terrorist attack on the

US

> in

> > > > 2001 it would be the week of 9-10-2001. Did not get the day right

but

> > > still

> > > > pretty close.

> > > >

> > > > Anyone else use this chart?

> > > >

> > > > c

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > > > : gjlist-

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Your use of is subject to

> >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > > : gjlist-

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your use of is subject to

>

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

> >

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

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Dear Cynthia

 

> Dear Nicholas

> I wish I knew the answer to that. It is difficult to know what is THE

chart

> of a nation. Sometimes I feel that astrology is best used for human

> interaction and self evolution than prediction. I even suspect that there

> is some sort of divine plan that keeps us from knowing too much too often.

>

These are good points .In Bhagavad Gita Arjuna saw the whole battle of

Kurukstra before it was fought .But he did not see his son Abhimanya being

killed otherwise he could have prevevted it .

Nicholas

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gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> Dear Cynthia

>

> > Dear Nicholas

> > I wish I knew the answer to that. It is difficult to know what

is THE

> chart

> > of a nation. Sometimes I feel that astrology is best used for

human

> > interaction and self evolution than prediction. I even suspect

that there

> > is some sort of divine plan that keeps us from knowing too much

too often.

> >

> These are good points .In Bhagavad Gita Arjuna saw the whole battle

of

> Kurukstra before it was fought .But he did not see his son

Abhimanya being

> killed otherwise he could have prevevted it .

> Nicholas

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