Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Hi Siva, nice to see you here. This board has been more interesting lately. Siva, you got to be objective--you may be learning from Sanjay's book and so am I. You're are a member of SJVC-USA, so am I. So why can't you acknowledge the fact that Robert was the first to post on PVR's board that Dina hijacked SJVC's website along with other accusations. -- These were public allegation and Dina made a public rebuttal. As to Sanjay, he was a man enough to acknowledge that Dina was the original incorporator of SJVC-USA, but he also tried to discredit Dina with some flimsy and obviously malicious statements about Dina's chart. Well, now Dina is speaking his mind and while doing so we get to know that Sanjay has some skeletons in his closets as well. Why are you automatically assuming that Dina is the bad guy here. Reading the pleadings back and forth it appears that Dina is righteous. Hey, at least Dina had sense of humor to repond to Robert's "son of bitch" allegation. Siva, I'm hoping you re-think your position in this debate. MD gjlist, "schinnas" <schinnas> wrote: > Hello all, > I am Siva Chinnasamy, a new member of this forum. heres the > mandatory introduction exercise - I am from India, a software > professional working in USA (east coast), interested (to some extent) > in spirituality and astrology. > > I am trying to learn astrology for the past few weeks and Pr. Sanjay > recently accepted me as his student. I am a member of vedic astrology > and (fmly sjvc) mailing lists for about past 1 month. > > I have been observing these unfortunate mails about sjvc. I didnt > want to post, but today I felt a compulsion to do it. This is my take > on the situation. SJVC was started by Sanjay Rath. PERIOD. He had > asked Mr. Dinanatha to head it in USA. For whatever reasons, he has > found Mr. Dinanatha to be incompetent for that post, and he finds in > Robert Koch an able person to lead the sjvc organization in USA. > > How SJVC should be run - as a profitable organization or as a non > profit is upto Sanjay to decide. Wellwishers like Sri. Goravani can > offer their advice/suggestions reg it, but it is Sunjay who can > decide on these things. > > If Sanjay decided to expel someone from his organization/guru- sishya > parambara, that concerned person (here Dinanatha) should know that he > has to pack his/her bags and leave. PERIOD. Any other behavior > defying this common sense is plain stupidity and childish. Shame on > Dinanatha or whoever that tries to do it. Sanjay put his faith on > someone and appoints that person as legal head of his organization in > USA. If that person defies Sanjay and claims legal rights to the > organization, it amounts to hijacking an organization from its > founder. > > To Mr. Dinanatha: > I dont understand what case you are trying to justify here. In > fact, you dont have a case. The more you say, the more you are making > a mokery of yourself. Be a gentleman and give up what doesnt belong > to you. Or is it too much to ask for? You may feel wronged. You may > feel that you doesnt deserve this or you are "better" than other > choices chosen in your place. But the fact remains that SJVC is > Sanjay's organization started with a service motive. He has the right > to choose anyone to guide it. If you dont get along, fine, call it > quits and go about with other tasks in life! > > To my guru Sanjay: > While I have highest respect for your knowledge and sincerity for > spreading jyotish, I didnt find Mr. Dina's chart and curse being > discussed on a public forum as something in the right dharma of > Jyotishi. However, I understand that in your passion/enthusiasm as a > jyotish guru, you probably wanted to explain these things to students > using Dinanatha's chart as case study. > > Btw, dont bother about Dinanatha's wild accusations on you. Just > observing your posts and reading your books, is proof enough of your > dedication, sincerity and passion towards astrology. Wild slanderous > accusations wont confuse people that know you. Dont worry about that. > > To Sri. Das Goravani: > I find your posts hilarious and many times thought provoking. > However, i couldnt understand why every issue has to seen though the > prism of cultural/ethnic origin of the person concerned. Can people > NOT be independent in their opinion and behavior? > > Peace, > -Siva. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 hi MD! I dont find any fault with Robert cautioning members of SJVC that Dinanatha was expelled and no sjvc member should regard him as his/her guru. I give you a parallel. I am in US and software industry for just few years. But I have seen 3 companies (2 startups and one Fortune 10, where I am currently at). Whenever there is a layoff, it means the management loses trust in a person's ability and lets him go. Then they send a mail to all that so and so person doesnt work with the company any more. In case if it is a small company the fired employee hijacks the control of the website/etc, then the management will call it as what it is - HI-JACKING. Robert was very correct in doing what he did. It was his duty as newly appointed president of SJVC-USA to let everyone knwo that Mr. Dinanatha had been expelled and has hijacked sjvcusa.org against the wishes of the founder (Sanjay) using some legalities. That employee fired may have been very capable and it is very possible that the whole thing is a misjudgement of the management, but the fact remains that the founder of the company has every right to appoint men/women that he has confidence in. I dont see two ways here. It is very clear cut and simple. In fact, I am very surprised as to why there is so much heated mails on both sides when the issue is so clear. I dont understand what skeletons in Pt. Sanjay's closet you are talking here. Dinantha's accusations are nothing sort of slander. The only error on Pt. Sanjay was he shouldnt have discussed Dinanatha's chart without his permission on a open forum. But he is wedded to the Guru-shishya concept and still considered Dinanatha as his student who had gone astry and took some liberty with his status as guru. I must say one thing here. Confusions like these can be avoided only if SJVC is a corporation as Sri. Das Goravani advised. Pt Sanjay can donate the profits to poor if he doesnt want to us jyotish teaching for material gains. But lots of confusion will be avoided by having sjvc as a for-profit organization and running it in a professional manner. Anyways, it is for guru Sanjay to decide. I shouldnt be talking ahead of myself! regards, -Siva. gjlist, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote: > Hi Siva, nice to see you here. > > This board has been more interesting lately. Siva, you got to be > objective--you may be learning from Sanjay's book and so am I. You're > are a member of SJVC-USA, so am I. > > So why can't you acknowledge the fact that Robert was the first to > post on PVR's board that Dina hijacked SJVC's website along with > other accusations. -- These were public allegation and Dina made a > public rebuttal. > > As to Sanjay, he was a man enough to acknowledge that Dina was the > original incorporator of SJVC-USA, but he also tried to discredit > Dina with some flimsy and obviously malicious statements about Dina's > chart. > > Well, now Dina is speaking his mind and while doing so we get to know > that Sanjay has some skeletons in his closets as well. > > Why are you automatically assuming that Dina is the bad guy here. > Reading the pleadings back and forth it appears that Dina is > righteous. > > Hey, at least Dina had sense of humor to repond to Robert's "son of > bitch" allegation. > > Siva, I'm hoping you re-think your position in this debate. > > MD > > gjlist, "schinnas" <schinnas> wrote: > > Hello all, > > I am Siva Chinnasamy, a new member of this forum. heres the > > mandatory introduction exercise - I am from India, a software > > professional working in USA (east coast), interested (to some > extent) > > in spirituality and astrology. > > > > I am trying to learn astrology for the past few weeks and Pr. > Sanjay > > recently accepted me as his student. I am a member of vedic > astrology > > and (fmly sjvc) mailing lists for about past 1 month. > > > > I have been observing these unfortunate mails about sjvc. I didnt > > want to post, but today I felt a compulsion to do it. This is my > take > > on the situation. SJVC was started by Sanjay Rath. PERIOD. He had > > asked Mr. Dinanatha to head it in USA. For whatever reasons, he has > > found Mr. Dinanatha to be incompetent for that post, and he finds > in > > Robert Koch an able person to lead the sjvc organization in USA. > > > > How SJVC should be run - as a profitable organization or as a non > > profit is upto Sanjay to decide. Wellwishers like Sri. Goravani > can > > offer their advice/suggestions reg it, but it is Sunjay who can > > decide on these things. > > > > If Sanjay decided to expel someone from his organization/guru- > sishya > > parambara, that concerned person (here Dinanatha) should know that > he > > has to pack his/her bags and leave. PERIOD. Any other behavior > > defying this common sense is plain stupidity and childish. Shame on > > Dinanatha or whoever that tries to do it. Sanjay put his faith on > > someone and appoints that person as legal head of his organization > in > > USA. If that person defies Sanjay and claims legal rights to the > > organization, it amounts to hijacking an organization from its > > founder. > > > > To Mr. Dinanatha: > > I dont understand what case you are trying to justify here. In > > fact, you dont have a case. The more you say, the more you are > making > > a mokery of yourself. Be a gentleman and give up what doesnt belong > > to you. Or is it too much to ask for? You may feel wronged. You may > > feel that you doesnt deserve this or you are "better" than other > > choices chosen in your place. But the fact remains that SJVC is > > Sanjay's organization started with a service motive. He has the > right > > to choose anyone to guide it. If you dont get along, fine, call it > > quits and go about with other tasks in life! > > > > To my guru Sanjay: > > While I have highest respect for your knowledge and sincerity for > > spreading jyotish, I didnt find Mr. Dina's chart and curse being > > discussed on a public forum as something in the right dharma of > > Jyotishi. However, I understand that in your passion/enthusiasm as > a > > jyotish guru, you probably wanted to explain these things to > students > > using Dinanatha's chart as case study. > > > > Btw, dont bother about Dinanatha's wild accusations on you. Just > > observing your posts and reading your books, is proof enough of > your > > dedication, sincerity and passion towards astrology. Wild > slanderous > > accusations wont confuse people that know you. Dont worry about > that. > > > > To Sri. Das Goravani: > > I find your posts hilarious and many times thought provoking. > > However, i couldnt understand why every issue has to seen though > the > > prism of cultural/ethnic origin of the person concerned. Can people > > NOT be independent in their opinion and behavior? > > > > Peace, > > -Siva. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 It is unethical to use another person's chart against them publically. A person's chart is confidential and on a personal level it is not information that is for the public. Anyone with any class would keep private matters in a 'corporation' or organization private rather then have a feeding fest amongst both strangers and members. It is unnecessary pain and agony for both sides whoever they are. And I live not too far from you in Riverside County, raised in Orange County where you are at and it is not always (less likely) the situation that when a company lays off people.....that it is because somehow those workers are not good enough or what have you. Most of the time it is due to budget cutbacks in the U.S. I am a native born in California. This is normal and now with the huge downturn in business, this is happening more and more unfortunately. Can we stop brown nosing please? It's nauseating. Renee >>> schinnas 10/03/02 03:49PM >>> hi MD! I dont find any fault with Robert cautioning members of SJVC that Dinanatha was expelled and no sjvc member should regard him as his/her guru. I give you a parallel. I am in US and software industry for just few years. But I have seen 3 companies (2 startups and one Fortune 10, where I am currently at). Whenever there is a layoff, it means the management loses trust in a person's ability and lets him go. Then they send a mail to all that so and so person doesnt work with the company any more. In case if it is a small company the fired employee hijacks the control of the website/etc, then the management will call it as what it is - HI-JACKING. Robert was very correct in doing what he did. It was his duty as newly appointed president of SJVC-USA to let everyone knwo that Mr. Dinanatha had been expelled and has hijacked sjvcusa.org against the wishes of the founder (Sanjay) using some legalities. That employee fired may have been very capable and it is very possible that the whole thing is a misjudgement of the management, but the fact remains that the founder of the company has every right to appoint men/women that he has confidence in. I dont see two ways here. It is very clear cut and simple. In fact, I am very surprised as to why there is so much heated mails on both sides when the issue is so clear. I dont understand what skeletons in Pt. Sanjay's closet you are talking here. Dinantha's accusations are nothing sort of slander. The only error on Pt. Sanjay was he shouldnt have discussed Dinanatha's chart without his permission on a open forum. But he is wedded to the Guru-shishya concept and still considered Dinanatha as his student who had gone astry and took some liberty with his status as guru. I must say one thing here. Confusions like these can be avoided only if SJVC is a corporation as Sri. Das Goravani advised. Pt Sanjay can donate the profits to poor if he doesnt want to us jyotish teaching for material gains. But lots of confusion will be avoided by having sjvc as a for-profit organization and running it in a professional manner. Anyways, it is for guru Sanjay to decide. I shouldnt be talking ahead of myself! regards, -Siva. gjlist, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote: > Hi Siva, nice to see you here. > > This board has been more interesting lately. Siva, you got to be > objective--you may be learning from Sanjay's book and so am I. You're > are a member of SJVC-USA, so am I. > > So why can't you acknowledge the fact that Robert was the first to > post on PVR's board that Dina hijacked SJVC's website along with > other accusations. -- These were public allegation and Dina made a > public rebuttal. > > As to Sanjay, he was a man enough to acknowledge that Dina was the > original incorporator of SJVC-USA, but he also tried to discredit > Dina with some flimsy and obviously malicious statements about Dina's > chart. > > Well, now Dina is speaking his mind and while doing so we get to know > that Sanjay has some skeletons in his closets as well. > > Why are you automatically assuming that Dina is the bad guy here. > Reading the pleadings back and forth it appears that Dina is > righteous. > > Hey, at least Dina had sense of humor to repond to Robert's "son of > bitch" allegation. > > Siva, I'm hoping you re-think your position in this debate. > > MD > > gjlist, "schinnas" <schinnas> wrote: > > Hello all, > > I am Siva Chinnasamy, a new member of this forum. heres the > > mandatory introduction exercise - I am from India, a software > > professional working in USA (east coast), interested (to some > extent) > > in spirituality and astrology. > > > > I am trying to learn astrology for the past few weeks and Pr. > Sanjay > > recently accepted me as his student. I am a member of vedic > astrology > > and (fmly sjvc) mailing lists for about past 1 month. > > > > I have been observing these unfortunate mails about sjvc. I didnt > > want to post, but today I felt a compulsion to do it. This is my > take > > on the situation. SJVC was started by Sanjay Rath. PERIOD. He had > > asked Mr. Dinanatha to head it in USA. For whatever reasons, he has > > found Mr. Dinanatha to be incompetent for that post, and he finds > in > > Robert Koch an able person to lead the sjvc organization in USA. > > > > How SJVC should be run - as a profitable organization or as a non > > profit is upto Sanjay to decide. Wellwishers like Sri. Goravani > can > > offer their advice/suggestions reg it, but it is Sunjay who can > > decide on these things. > > > > If Sanjay decided to expel someone from his organization/guru- > sishya > > parambara, that concerned person (here Dinanatha) should know that > he > > has to pack his/her bags and leave. PERIOD. Any other behavior > > defying this common sense is plain stupidity and childish. Shame on > > Dinanatha or whoever that tries to do it. Sanjay put his faith on > > someone and appoints that person as legal head of his organization > in > > USA. If that person defies Sanjay and claims legal rights to the > > organization, it amounts to hijacking an organization from its > > founder. > > > > To Mr. Dinanatha: > > I dont understand what case you are trying to justify here. In > > fact, you dont have a case. The more you say, the more you are > making > > a mokery of yourself. Be a gentleman and give up what doesnt belong > > to you. Or is it too much to ask for? You may feel wronged. You may > > feel that you doesnt deserve this or you are "better" than other > > choices chosen in your place. But the fact remains that SJVC is > > Sanjay's organization started with a service motive. He has the > right > > to choose anyone to guide it. If you dont get along, fine, call it > > quits and go about with other tasks in life! > > > > To my guru Sanjay: > > While I have highest respect for your knowledge and sincerity for > > spreading jyotish, I didnt find Mr. Dina's chart and curse being > > discussed on a public forum as something in the right dharma of > > Jyotishi. However, I understand that in your passion/enthusiasm as > a > > jyotish guru, you probably wanted to explain these things to > students > > using Dinanatha's chart as case study. > > > > Btw, dont bother about Dinanatha's wild accusations on you. Just > > observing your posts and reading your books, is proof enough of > your > > dedication, sincerity and passion towards astrology. Wild > slanderous > > accusations wont confuse people that know you. Dont worry about > that. > > > > To Sri. Das Goravani: > > I find your posts hilarious and many times thought provoking. > > However, i couldnt understand why every issue has to seen though > the > > prism of cultural/ethnic origin of the person concerned. Can people > > NOT be independent in their opinion and behavior? > > > > Peace, > > -Siva. Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Hello Schinnas: The item of dispute is SJVC-USA website. Per United States law, Sanjay isn't the founder of this website, Dinanath is. Siva, I'm familiar with corporate law and have served on the board of two not- for-profit organization. Technically, when a corporation is setup, the incorporator has to file a list of officers and article of incorporation with the secretary of state. The corporate secretary will have the ultimate resposibilty for the corporation, i.e. filing t/rs, etc. The articles of incorportion will state who are the shareholders and what class of shares is the corp. authorized to issue, etc. For a not-for-profit corporation (NPO). There are no shares to be issue, no one has ownership. However, the board of directors run this secretary of the board has the final responsibilty (non-resident aliens like Sanjay cannot be on the board or cannot serve as the secretary). Now, Dina is the secretary of SJVC-USA and therefore he has the final control and responsibilty for SJVC-USA website. Reality is that Sanjay is the founder of SJVC; however, I don't think he has registered SJVC as a tradmark in USA and I don't think he is named on the board of directors for SJVC-USA. Now, the example you just gave doesn't apply here as Sanjay has no LEGAL right to fire Dinanath as LEGALLY (per US corporate law) Sanjay has nothing to do with SJVC-USA. Unless, there is something mentioned in the articles of incorportion that I don't know about. Therefore, per your example, Sanjay can't fire Dinanath. In fact, Dina can legally fire the others if the majority of the board is in his favor. MD gjlist, "schinnas" <schinnas> wrote: > hi MD! > I dont find any fault with Robert cautioning members of SJVC that > Dinanatha was expelled and no sjvc member should regard him as > his/her guru. I give you a parallel. > > I am in US and software industry for just few years. But I have seen > 3 companies (2 startups and one Fortune 10, where I am currently at). > Whenever there is a layoff, it means the management loses trust in a > person's ability and lets him go. Then they send a mail to all that > so and so person doesnt work with the company any more. In case if it > is a small company the fired employee hijacks the control of the > website/etc, then the management will call it as what it is - > HI-JACKING. Robert was very correct in doing what he did. It was his > duty as newly appointed president of SJVC-USA to let everyone knwo > that Mr. Dinanatha had been expelled and has hijacked sjvcusa.org > against the wishes of the founder (Sanjay) using some legalities. > > That employee fired may have been very capable and it is very > possible that the whole thing is a misjudgement of the management, > but the fact remains that the founder of the company has every right > to appoint men/women that he has confidence in. I dont see two ways > here. It is very clear cut and simple. In fact, I am very surprised > as to why there is so much heated mails on both sides when the issue > is so clear. > > I dont understand what skeletons in Pt. Sanjay's closet you are > talking here. Dinantha's accusations are nothing sort of slander. The > only error on Pt. Sanjay was he shouldnt have discussed Dinanatha's > chart without his permission on a open forum. But he is wedded to the > Guru-shishya concept and still considered Dinanatha as his student > who had gone astry and took some liberty with his status as guru. > > I must say one thing here. Confusions like these can be avoided only > if SJVC is a corporation as Sri. Das Goravani advised. Pt Sanjay can > donate the profits to poor if he doesnt want to us jyotish teaching > for material gains. But lots of confusion will be avoided by having > sjvc as a for-profit organization and running it in a professional > manner. Anyways, it is for guru Sanjay to decide. I shouldnt be > talking ahead of myself! > > regards, > -Siva. > > gjlist, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote: > > Hi Siva, nice to see you here. > > > > This board has been more interesting lately. Siva, you got to be > > objective--you may be learning from Sanjay's book and so am I. > You're > > are a member of SJVC-USA, so am I. > > > > So why can't you acknowledge the fact that Robert was the first to > > post on PVR's board that Dina hijacked SJVC's website along with > > other accusations. -- These were public allegation and Dina made a > > public rebuttal. > > > > As to Sanjay, he was a man enough to acknowledge that Dina was the > > original incorporator of SJVC-USA, but he also tried to discredit > > Dina with some flimsy and obviously malicious statements about > Dina's > > chart. > > > > Well, now Dina is speaking his mind and while doing so we get to > know > > that Sanjay has some skeletons in his closets as well. > > > > Why are you automatically assuming that Dina is the bad guy here. > > Reading the pleadings back and forth it appears that Dina is > > righteous. > > > > Hey, at least Dina had sense of humor to repond to Robert's "son of > > bitch" allegation. > > > > Siva, I'm hoping you re-think your position in this debate. > > > > MD > > > > gjlist, "schinnas" <schinnas> wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > I am Siva Chinnasamy, a new member of this forum. heres the > > > mandatory introduction exercise - I am from India, a software > > > professional working in USA (east coast), interested (to some > > extent) > > > in spirituality and astrology. > > > > > > I am trying to learn astrology for the past few weeks and Pr. > > Sanjay > > > recently accepted me as his student. I am a member of vedic > > astrology > > > and (fmly sjvc) mailing lists for about past 1 > month. > > > > > > I have been observing these unfortunate mails about sjvc. I didnt > > > want to post, but today I felt a compulsion to do it. This is my > > take > > > on the situation. SJVC was started by Sanjay Rath. PERIOD. He had > > > asked Mr. Dinanatha to head it in USA. For whatever reasons, he > has > > > found Mr. Dinanatha to be incompetent for that post, and he finds > > in > > > Robert Koch an able person to lead the sjvc organization in USA. > > > > > > How SJVC should be run - as a profitable organization or as a non > > > profit is upto Sanjay to decide. Wellwishers like Sri. Goravani > > can > > > offer their advice/suggestions reg it, but it is Sunjay who can > > > decide on these things. > > > > > > If Sanjay decided to expel someone from his organization/guru- > > sishya > > > parambara, that concerned person (here Dinanatha) should know > that > > he > > > has to pack his/her bags and leave. PERIOD. Any other behavior > > > defying this common sense is plain stupidity and childish. Shame > on > > > Dinanatha or whoever that tries to do it. Sanjay put his faith on > > > someone and appoints that person as legal head of his > organization > > in > > > USA. If that person defies Sanjay and claims legal rights to the > > > organization, it amounts to hijacking an organization from its > > > founder. > > > > > > To Mr. Dinanatha: > > > I dont understand what case you are trying to justify here. In > > > fact, you dont have a case. The more you say, the more you are > > making > > > a mokery of yourself. Be a gentleman and give up what doesnt > belong > > > to you. Or is it too much to ask for? You may feel wronged. You > may > > > feel that you doesnt deserve this or you are "better" than other > > > choices chosen in your place. But the fact remains that SJVC is > > > Sanjay's organization started with a service motive. He has the > > right > > > to choose anyone to guide it. If you dont get along, fine, call > it > > > quits and go about with other tasks in life! > > > > > > To my guru Sanjay: > > > While I have highest respect for your knowledge and sincerity for > > > spreading jyotish, I didnt find Mr. Dina's chart and curse being > > > discussed on a public forum as something in the right dharma of > > > Jyotishi. However, I understand that in your passion/enthusiasm > as > > a > > > jyotish guru, you probably wanted to explain these things to > > students > > > using Dinanatha's chart as case study. > > > > > > Btw, dont bother about Dinanatha's wild accusations on you. Just > > > observing your posts and reading your books, is proof enough of > > your > > > dedication, sincerity and passion towards astrology. Wild > > slanderous > > > accusations wont confuse people that know you. Dont worry about > > that. > > > > > > To Sri. Das Goravani: > > > I find your posts hilarious and many times thought provoking. > > > However, i couldnt understand why every issue has to seen though > > the > > > prism of cultural/ethnic origin of the person concerned. Can > people > > > NOT be independent in their opinion and behavior? > > > > > > Peace, > > > -Siva. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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